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Chalky ::
Pentagon to announce US Air Force NGAD winner Friday with initial contract worth over $20B
Odpiram temo ker kot kaže bosta Trump in obrambni minister Pete Hegseth danes v Beli hiši imela novinarsko konferenco kjer bosta najavila zmagovalca za NGAD. Pogodba naj bi bila vredna 20 milijard dolarjev kar pomeni da se bo masovna proizvodnja pričela takoj in da imajo že preverjeno letalo. To tudi pomeni da bo F-35 zdaj postal "stara roba".
Boeing naj bi bil favorit proti Lockeed Martinu čeprav se mi zdi LK-jev design bistveno boljši, če seveda niso kaj spreminjali. Verjetno si tudi ne želijo da bi imel LK monopol saj že imajo F-35 program. Northrop Grumman ima B-21 bombnike, tako da bo verjetno Boeing dobil to pogodbo. Bo pa to ogromen preskok v zračni tehnologiji.
Novinarska konferenca: https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/190...
Članek: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pentag...
Odpiram temo ker kot kaže bosta Trump in obrambni minister Pete Hegseth danes v Beli hiši imela novinarsko konferenco kjer bosta najavila zmagovalca za NGAD. Pogodba naj bi bila vredna 20 milijard dolarjev kar pomeni da se bo masovna proizvodnja pričela takoj in da imajo že preverjeno letalo. To tudi pomeni da bo F-35 zdaj postal "stara roba".
Boeing naj bi bil favorit proti Lockeed Martinu čeprav se mi zdi LK-jev design bistveno boljši, če seveda niso kaj spreminjali. Verjetno si tudi ne želijo da bi imel LK monopol saj že imajo F-35 program. Northrop Grumman ima B-21 bombnike, tako da bo verjetno Boeing dobil to pogodbo. Bo pa to ogromen preskok v zračni tehnologiji.
Novinarska konferenca: https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/190...
Članek: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pentag...
Chalky ::
Jih ne bo Musk označil za norce in začel drone štepat? ;)
Zanimivo da naj bi ravno danes Musk obiskal Pentagon. Lahko da bo imel prste vmes pri vsem skupaj. Mora biti pa to grozna novica za Evropo saj bo zdaj Evropa praktično 2 do 3 generacije zadaj, kar je povsem nedopustno. Očitno bodo imeli zdaj Američani F-35 bolj kot ne za izvoz medtem ko bodo imeli NGAD zase. Ni čudno, da je Trump, Indiji obljubil F-35 bojna letala.
Scaramouche3 je izjavil:
Kaj pa če bi se nehal ozirat na Amere in gledali koliko programov se odpira v EU...
Potrebno je primerjati, da se ve koliko generacij smo zadaj, in kot kaže je situacija kritična. EU še niti design-a za F-35 konkurenta nima, kaj šele da bi karkoli testirali oziroma proizvajali. Mi smo obstali na bojnih letalih 3.5 oziroma 4 generacije in samo še slabše bo.
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pegasus ::
Motiš se. UK ima svoje plane za next-gen letala, naj bi nekaj delali z italjani.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
mikhaair ::
Verjetno je najvecji zaostanek v senzoriki, pol pa a to obesiš na dron, letalo, ladjo, vodni dron, .... nima kaj dosti veze.
Scaramouche3 ::
Motiš se. UK ima svoje plane za next-gen letala, naj bi nekaj delali z italjani.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
''Pri nas ne bo slabše.''
Kvečjemu bo več razvoja, samo problem bo ker se lahko zgodi da bo vse več konkurence v majhnih projektih..
Torej dve tri države skupaj proti Nemčiji ali Franciji..
Rabimo pa skupen razvoj kjer se ves denar da v projekt, kjer bo vložek res ogromen, to je tisto, kar bo prevesilo tehtnico...
Chalky ::
Motiš se. UK ima svoje plane za next-gen letala, naj bi nekaj delali z italjani.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
Droni so neuporabni če nimaš programske opreme kot je na primer Palantir kjer v nekaj sekundah dobiš dovolj informacij da izvršil celotno operacijo. Seveda če sta v vojni 2 državi ki tehnološko nista na ravni Amerov potem so tudi droni v redu.
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kow ::
Motiš se. UK ima svoje plane za next-gen letala, naj bi nekaj delali z italjani.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
Droni so zelo pomembni. Ampak to ne pomeni, da ne rabis tudi letal.
Scaramouche3 ::
Motiš se. UK ima svoje plane za next-gen letala, naj bi nekaj delali z italjani.
In motiš se tudi, da so ta letala nek izraz tehnološke in vojaške premoči. Sem avgeek in mi zanje visi dol - ker sem tudi modelar in vem, kakšen price/performance lahko dosežeš z modeli oz. "droni". Trdim, da je vsa ta neznosno draga leteča šara od ww2 naprej samo za v kanto, moderna bojišča dokazujejo, da so droni veliko bolj aktualni. Upam, da jim bo Musk to uspel razložiti. Lahko odpreš temo "droni vs ngad" pa to predebatiramo.
Droni so neuporabni če nimaš programske opreme kot je na primer Palentir kjer v nekaj sekundah dobiš dovolj informacij da izvršil celotno operacijo. Seveda če sta v vojni 2 državi ki tehnološko nista na ravni Amerov potem so tudi droni v redu.
Prva gen dronov bo taka, uporabljali bodo ljudje, druga progam,ki bo imel veliko ukazov in veliko programske opreme, za prepoznavanje, tretja, bo lahko že imel AI!
Če damo veliko v razvoj se te tri lahko sprehodijo v 10 letih...
pegasus ::
Droni so neuporabni če nimaš programske opremeKako uporaben je pa f-35 brez specialistične programske opreme? Afaik niti ne leti brez nje. Medtem ko drone futraš z opensource softverom, ki ga zna namestiti in skonfigurirati vsak malo bolj inteligenten mulc. Ne morem sprejet takega argumenta ;)
fikus_ ::
Verjetno bo dobil Boeing za reševanje njihove riti.
Trump je v prvem mandatu naročil Airforce One pri Boeingu, pa ga še do sedaj niso skupaj spacali.
Trump je v prvem mandatu naročil Airforce One pri Boeingu, pa ga še do sedaj niso skupaj spacali.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Chalky ::
Ameri naj bi imeli tudi skrivnosti program Project Mayhem:
Development on the bomber, which will travel at Mach 10, just took a huge step forward.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita...
Koliko je na tem, je nemogoče povedati. Je pa jasno da ti v tem primeru ne pomaga noben dron. Poglejte si hitrost. Pa to leti bistveno višje od dronov. Da niti ne omenjal da imajo tudi že Loyal Wingmen program, ki bi lahko služil kot otveritveni salvo, predno notri vstopijo F-22-F-35-B-21-NGAD. Tako da to da so bojna letala čisto prezpredmetna še dolgo ne bo res. Tudi Kitajska jih zdajle proizvaja hitreje kot kadarkoli poprej, že vedo zakaj.
Development on the bomber, which will travel at Mach 10, just took a huge step forward.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita...
Koliko je na tem, je nemogoče povedati. Je pa jasno da ti v tem primeru ne pomaga noben dron. Poglejte si hitrost. Pa to leti bistveno višje od dronov. Da niti ne omenjal da imajo tudi že Loyal Wingmen program, ki bi lahko služil kot otveritveni salvo, predno notri vstopijo F-22-F-35-B-21-NGAD. Tako da to da so bojna letala čisto prezpredmetna še dolgo ne bo res. Tudi Kitajska jih zdajle proizvaja hitreje kot kadarkoli poprej, že vedo zakaj.
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bm1973 ::
pegasus ::
Si lahko zamisliš bojišče, kjer droni niso bolj učinkoviti od letal?
Edino kar mi pade na pamet je vietnam-style carpet bombing, ampak upam da se takih barbarstev ne bomo več šli.
Edino kar mi pade na pamet je vietnam-style carpet bombing, ampak upam da se takih barbarstev ne bomo več šli.
Scaramouche3 ::
kow ::
Si lahko zamisliš bojišče, kjer droni niso bolj učinkoviti od letal?
Edino kar mi pade na pamet je vietnam-style carpet bombing, ampak upam da se takih barbarstev ne bomo več šli.
Ne vem tocno na kaj ciljas pod "droni". Rabis celo brdo razlicnih tipov dronov. Tudi drone na reaktivni pogon.
bm1973 ::
Scaramouche3 ::
mikhaair ::
Ne, F-15E in X, ter izvozne variante kar proizvajajo....
Sicer prišli k hiši z nakupom McDonnell Douglas-a, ampak nekaj zagotovo vedo o avionih...
Sicer prišli k hiši z nakupom McDonnell Douglas-a, ampak nekaj zagotovo vedo o avionih...
Chalky ::
Ta teden bodo najavili še za mornarico:
Boeing proti Northrop Grumman-u. Bojda naj bi bil NG v rahli prednosti. Je pa že zdaj jasno da bi bil njihov design bistveno boljši od Boeinga.
Boeing proti Northrop Grumman-u. Bojda naj bi bil NG v rahli prednosti. Je pa že zdaj jasno da bi bil njihov design bistveno boljši od Boeinga.
bm1973 ::
fikus_ ::
Se boš načakal, prikazali so samo slabo sliko, kaj je pa resnica, pa ne vemo, mogoče bo pa AI naredila nov F47.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
TESKAn ::
Kaj jim bo pomagal NGAD, če bo hešget objavljal točno kje in kdaj bodo leteli...
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
pegasus ::
Chalky ::
YFQ-44A and YFQ-42A CCA first flights are now imminent
Pravijo da od 3 do 5 dronov na eno bojno letalo. Se pravi če imaš 2500+ bojnih letal in še 5 dronov na vsako letalo je to okoli 12k letal. Vsak dron bo lahko nosil 2 air to air raketi internally.
https://x.com/OfficialCSAF/status/19608...
Pravijo da od 3 do 5 dronov na eno bojno letalo. Se pravi če imaš 2500+ bojnih letal in še 5 dronov na vsako letalo je to okoli 12k letal. Vsak dron bo lahko nosil 2 air to air raketi internally.
https://x.com/OfficialCSAF/status/19608...
fikus_ ::
Chalky, koliko je cena F-35? Ker nekaj dni nazaj sem zasledil v eni novico (Usa vir), ko so ga razbili, da je za 200 milijonov škode?!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Chalky ::
LOCKHEED MARTIN TEASER: It's almost here...You won't want to miss this
https://x.com/LockheedMartin/status/196...
F-35 profil je spodaj pustil komentar:
Nekdo je vprašal Groka kaj bi lahka bilo:
Možne so 3 opcije:
1. Novi F-35 motor
2. F-35 (double engine 6 gen)
3. SR-72
https://x.com/LockheedMartin/status/196...
F-35 profil je spodaj pustil komentar:
Nekdo je vprašal Groka kaj bi lahka bilo:
Možne so 3 opcije:
1. Novi F-35 motor
2. F-35 (double engine 6 gen)
3. SR-72
pegasus ::
To je vse tak show za rajo ... Na račun kolosalnega zapravljanja davkoplačevalskega denarja ... Ko je že vsem jasno, da so prihodnost droni iz vodovodnih cevi in kartona. Ampak niso tako zelo galomorous in ne more se toliko pijavk prisesati na projekt kot pri ________ (kratica) fighter. Skratka, idiotizem.
bm1973 ::
Se delajo vsi norca iz ameriške orožarske industrije.
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
Chalky ::
Skunk Works Unveils Vectis Air Combat Drone That Puts A Premium On Stealth
Lockheed's new Collaborative Combat Aircraft, targeted to fly in two years, reflects a higher-end approach compared to types the USAF has selected so far.
Lockheed Martin's famed Skunk Works advanced projects division has lifted the lid on a new, higher-end stealthy Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) type drone named Vectis. The uncrewed aircraft is designed to be highly adaptable to an operator's requirements, whether they be in the United States or elsewhere around the world, and is expected to fly within two years. Vectis notably follows Skunk Works' failed 'gold-plated' high-stealth bid for the first phase of the U.S. Air Force's CCA program, but still puts above-average emphasis on survivability compared to the other designs that service is now testing.
Skunk Works has yet to share exactly when development of Vectis began, but has described it as a product of a broader development philosophy it has adopted called the Agile Drone Framework. The framework prioritizes modularity and open mission systems, as well as interoperability in areas like command and control architectures, over any specific hardware. The name Vectis means lever or pole in Latin, and is meant to reflect the 'leverage' the platform offers.
"Meet Vectis, a Group 5, survivable, lethal, and reusable, Collaborative Combat Aircraft that embodies not only our pedigree in [crewed] fighter aircraft, autonomy, and uncrewed systems, but [that] is also enabled by that Agile Drone Framework," O.J. Sanchez, Lockheed Martin Vice President and General Manager of Skunk Works, told TWZ and other outlets this past week. "Vectis will provide U.S. and allied warfighters with range, endurance, and multi-mission flexibility, including air-to-air, air-to-surface, and ISR [intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance]."
Skunk Works' Sanchez also said Vectis is runway dependent in its "current instantiation," something we will come back to later on. Its landing gear configuration has not yet been shown.
Vectis' core planform is interestingly reminiscent, in some broad strokes, of a rendering of a stealthy aerial refueling tanker concept Skunk Works first showed publicly last year. That aircraft had a much larger design, in line with its intended mission, with large clipped wings that had some lambda-wing attributes, as well as small outwardly-canted twin vertical tails. The look of the new survivable CCA also hearkens back to older concepts for advanced crewed combat jets from Lockheed and other companies, including from studies that fed into the Air Force's Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) program that led to the F-22.
The Skunk Works' Agile Drone Framework video shows pilots in F-22s and F-35s using wide-area touch-screen displays to control Vectis drones, as well as CMMTs and a higher-end flying-wing design. The latter drone has a design that looks evolved from Lockheed Martin's secretive RQ-170 Sentinel, as well as the Sea Ghost concept the company put forward years ago for the U.S. Navy's abortive Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike (UCLASS) program. Lockheed Martin has also included an advanced flying wing design, together with various others, in past promotional materials highlighting work on crewed-uncrewed teaming capabilities.
Sanchez did not provide any hard cost metrics for Vectis. The Air Force has said in the past that it is aiming for a unit cost roughly in the $20 million range for drones being developed under the first phase, or Increment 1, of its CCA program. The service has also said that it could pursue lower-cost (and less exquisite) designs for the planned follow-on Increment 2.
https://www.twz.com/air/skunk-works-unv...
Lockheed's new Collaborative Combat Aircraft, targeted to fly in two years, reflects a higher-end approach compared to types the USAF has selected so far.
Lockheed Martin's famed Skunk Works advanced projects division has lifted the lid on a new, higher-end stealthy Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) type drone named Vectis. The uncrewed aircraft is designed to be highly adaptable to an operator's requirements, whether they be in the United States or elsewhere around the world, and is expected to fly within two years. Vectis notably follows Skunk Works' failed 'gold-plated' high-stealth bid for the first phase of the U.S. Air Force's CCA program, but still puts above-average emphasis on survivability compared to the other designs that service is now testing.
Skunk Works has yet to share exactly when development of Vectis began, but has described it as a product of a broader development philosophy it has adopted called the Agile Drone Framework. The framework prioritizes modularity and open mission systems, as well as interoperability in areas like command and control architectures, over any specific hardware. The name Vectis means lever or pole in Latin, and is meant to reflect the 'leverage' the platform offers.
"Meet Vectis, a Group 5, survivable, lethal, and reusable, Collaborative Combat Aircraft that embodies not only our pedigree in [crewed] fighter aircraft, autonomy, and uncrewed systems, but [that] is also enabled by that Agile Drone Framework," O.J. Sanchez, Lockheed Martin Vice President and General Manager of Skunk Works, told TWZ and other outlets this past week. "Vectis will provide U.S. and allied warfighters with range, endurance, and multi-mission flexibility, including air-to-air, air-to-surface, and ISR [intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance]."
Skunk Works' Sanchez also said Vectis is runway dependent in its "current instantiation," something we will come back to later on. Its landing gear configuration has not yet been shown.
Vectis' core planform is interestingly reminiscent, in some broad strokes, of a rendering of a stealthy aerial refueling tanker concept Skunk Works first showed publicly last year. That aircraft had a much larger design, in line with its intended mission, with large clipped wings that had some lambda-wing attributes, as well as small outwardly-canted twin vertical tails. The look of the new survivable CCA also hearkens back to older concepts for advanced crewed combat jets from Lockheed and other companies, including from studies that fed into the Air Force's Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) program that led to the F-22.
The Skunk Works' Agile Drone Framework video shows pilots in F-22s and F-35s using wide-area touch-screen displays to control Vectis drones, as well as CMMTs and a higher-end flying-wing design. The latter drone has a design that looks evolved from Lockheed Martin's secretive RQ-170 Sentinel, as well as the Sea Ghost concept the company put forward years ago for the U.S. Navy's abortive Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike (UCLASS) program. Lockheed Martin has also included an advanced flying wing design, together with various others, in past promotional materials highlighting work on crewed-uncrewed teaming capabilities.
Sanchez did not provide any hard cost metrics for Vectis. The Air Force has said in the past that it is aiming for a unit cost roughly in the $20 million range for drones being developed under the first phase, or Increment 1, of its CCA program. The service has also said that it could pursue lower-cost (and less exquisite) designs for the planned follow-on Increment 2.
https://www.twz.com/air/skunk-works-unv...
Chalky ::
To je vse tak show za rajo ... Na račun kolosalnega zapravljanja davkoplačevalskega denarja ... Ko je že vsem jasno, da so prihodnost droni iz vodovodnih cevi in kartona. Ampak niso tako zelo galomorous in ne more se toliko pijavk prisesati na projekt kot pri ________ (kratica) fighter. Skratka, idiotizem.
Kot kaže si imel prav saj gre za novi "dron" Loyal Wingmen programa. Prejšnjim mesec so Boeing, Northrop Grumman in Anduril razkrili svoje drone in zdaj kot kaže želi svoj del še LC. Kot kaže gre za enak koncept, 5 dronov na en F-35, kjer pilot preko umetne inteligence vodi in obvladuje drone.
To je vse cool, ampak osebno sem upal na najmanj SR-72, potihoma pa na plazemski fuzijski pogon ki bi avtomatsko porinil ZDA v popolno nadvlado. Pri Skunk Work že nekaj časa govorijo da so tik pred tem da jim uspe breakthrough
pri plazni kar bi pomenilo da bi imela bojna letala neomejeno dosega ker jim nikoli nebi bilo potrebno pristajati in dolivati goriva. Poleg tega bi potem bil Mach 10 za bojna letala nekaj samoumevnega. Poleg tega bi jim to omogočilo radikalne menevre, podobne zmogljivostim UAP-ja. Poleg tega bi lahko prišli do Marsa v zgolj enem mesecu. Medtem ko bi lasarska tehnologija dobila povsem nov pomen.
Čeprav sem vedel da je zato malo verjetno ker bi ob takšnem dogodku verjetno Bela hiša napovedala konferenco v Ovalni pisarni.
pegasus ::
Slučajno poznam eno ekipo iz Skunk works, ki se je zaradi razočaranja nad firmo preusmerila v modelarske vode, kjer so lahko polno, svobodno kreativni. Tako da vzami vso "smrdečo" propagando z rezervo.
Chalky ::
Se delajo vsi norca iz ameriške orožarske industrije.
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
Poglej si še enkrat naslov teme, tu govorimo o zračni dominaciji. To kar počnejo Rusi v Ukrajini je ena navadna sramota in s tistimi droni nikoli ne boš vzpostavil zračno prevlado na nebu. To kar počnejo Rusi zna čisto vsak na svetu. Kako težko je v zrak poslati en mini dron? Zakaj misliš da se fronta ni spremenila že skoraj 3 leta?
Saj tudi Američani proizvajajo drone za 500 USD (preveri Anduril). Da moraš uporabljati drone za 500 USD pomeni da si na fronti zabredel v velike probleme sploh če je to še tvoja zadnja rešitev. Droni o katerih govorimo zgoraj letijo par 10 tisoč kilometrov višje in imajo precej večji weapons bay.
Chalky ::
Radia to Develop World's Largest Military Cargo Aircraft for U.S. and NATO
On September 19, 2025, the U.S. Company Radia confirmed it will design and build what it calls the world's largest military cargo aircraft, intended for use by U.S. and NATO forces. The new airlifter aims to surpass current heavy transport fleets in size and payload capacity, offering expanded reach for military logistics and humanitarian missions. The initiative underscores growing transatlantic defense cooperation at a time of heightened global security concerns.
Current defense cargo aircraft run out of room before they run out of lift capability. The massive dimensions of today's military aircraft, modern radars, and satellite systems make it challenging to transport mission-ready. Simply put: volume is the limiting factor in defense airlift. WindRunner solves for this by delivering:
Radia described the WindRunner for Defense as an ultra-large air cargo aircraft designed to meet a gap in U.S. and allied outsized airlift. The company emphasized that the aircraft is optimized around internal cargo volume rather than payload mass, allowing it to move complete systems without disassembly to austere, degraded, or contested locations. The program is linked to concepts such as Agile Combat Employment and distributed basing, which require forces to be positioned quickly in dispersed areas with limited infrastructure. Radia positions the military version as a way to support existing fleets of strategic airlifters that remain operational but are out of production, such as the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy and the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, while adding capacity for volume-dominated missions.
The WindRunner's internal capacity is stated to exceed 6,800 cubic meters, equivalent to approximately seven times the cargo space of a C-5 and twelve times that of a C-17, making it the largest military transport aircraft ever built or proposed in history. This space is intended to enable roll-on and roll-off delivery of mission-ready equipment without specialized loaders or bespoke facilities. Radia argues that modern joint operations run out of space before reaching weight limits, with the consequence that assets often require disassembly or rerouting. These processes can increase timelines, raise vulnerability, and complicate logistics in areas where infrastructure is limited or damaged. The WindRunner is intended to mitigate these problems by carrying oversized assets in assembled form, allowing immediate operational use upon arrival.
Radia has previously cited specific examples to demonstrate the aircraft's potential roles. The WindRunner could transport six CH-47 Chinook helicopters fully assembled, while a C-17 can only carry one after disassembly. It could also carry four CV-22 Ospreys to forward areas, four F-16 or F-35C fighter aircraft without requiring aerial refueling, and up to twelve Apache helicopters in a single sortie, compared to two on a C-17. Radia highlights support to space operations as well, including the ability to move rocket boosters in hours rather than days and to recover landed rocket cargo vehicles for reuse. By transporting systems intact, the aircraft is designed to reduce total flight hours, operational complexity, and exposure to disruption or attack.
https://radia.com/defense
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/how...
Primerno za to temo, Next Gen Cargo ki bo nadomestil C-17.
On September 19, 2025, the U.S. Company Radia confirmed it will design and build what it calls the world's largest military cargo aircraft, intended for use by U.S. and NATO forces. The new airlifter aims to surpass current heavy transport fleets in size and payload capacity, offering expanded reach for military logistics and humanitarian missions. The initiative underscores growing transatlantic defense cooperation at a time of heightened global security concerns.
Current defense cargo aircraft run out of room before they run out of lift capability. The massive dimensions of today's military aircraft, modern radars, and satellite systems make it challenging to transport mission-ready. Simply put: volume is the limiting factor in defense airlift. WindRunner solves for this by delivering:
Radia described the WindRunner for Defense as an ultra-large air cargo aircraft designed to meet a gap in U.S. and allied outsized airlift. The company emphasized that the aircraft is optimized around internal cargo volume rather than payload mass, allowing it to move complete systems without disassembly to austere, degraded, or contested locations. The program is linked to concepts such as Agile Combat Employment and distributed basing, which require forces to be positioned quickly in dispersed areas with limited infrastructure. Radia positions the military version as a way to support existing fleets of strategic airlifters that remain operational but are out of production, such as the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy and the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, while adding capacity for volume-dominated missions.
The WindRunner's internal capacity is stated to exceed 6,800 cubic meters, equivalent to approximately seven times the cargo space of a C-5 and twelve times that of a C-17, making it the largest military transport aircraft ever built or proposed in history. This space is intended to enable roll-on and roll-off delivery of mission-ready equipment without specialized loaders or bespoke facilities. Radia argues that modern joint operations run out of space before reaching weight limits, with the consequence that assets often require disassembly or rerouting. These processes can increase timelines, raise vulnerability, and complicate logistics in areas where infrastructure is limited or damaged. The WindRunner is intended to mitigate these problems by carrying oversized assets in assembled form, allowing immediate operational use upon arrival.
Radia has previously cited specific examples to demonstrate the aircraft's potential roles. The WindRunner could transport six CH-47 Chinook helicopters fully assembled, while a C-17 can only carry one after disassembly. It could also carry four CV-22 Ospreys to forward areas, four F-16 or F-35C fighter aircraft without requiring aerial refueling, and up to twelve Apache helicopters in a single sortie, compared to two on a C-17. Radia highlights support to space operations as well, including the ability to move rocket boosters in hours rather than days and to recover landed rocket cargo vehicles for reuse. By transporting systems intact, the aircraft is designed to reduce total flight hours, operational complexity, and exposure to disruption or attack.
https://radia.com/defense
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/how...
Primerno za to temo, Next Gen Cargo ki bo nadomestil C-17.
fikus_ ::
Zakaj bi amerikanci rabili taksen "cargo"?
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
bm1973 ::
Se delajo vsi norca iz ameriške orožarske industrije.
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
Poglej si še enkrat naslov teme, tu govorimo o zračni dominaciji. To kar počnejo Rusi v Ukrajini je ena navadna sramota in s tistimi droni nikoli ne boš vzpostavil zračno prevlado na nebu. To kar počnejo Rusi zna čisto vsak na svetu. Kako težko je v zrak poslati en mini dron? Zakaj misliš da se fronta ni spremenila že skoraj 3 leta?
Saj tudi Američani proizvajajo drone za 500 USD (preveri Anduril). Da moraš uporabljati drone za 500 USD pomeni da si na fronti zabredel v velike probleme sploh če je to še tvoja zadnja rešitev. Droni o katerih govorimo zgoraj letijo par 10 tisoč kilometrov višje in imajo precej večji weapons bay.
Časi so se spremenili.
ZDA že dolgo niso imele enakovrednega nasprotnika. Simple je metati bombe na kameltrajberje... Pa še tukaj imajo probleme...
Protiletalska obramba je tako dobra v Ukrajini, na obeh straneh, da so letala in helikopterji praktično neuporabni.
Rusi delajo učinkovito. Zato pač droni...
Ales78 ::
Protiletalska obramba je tako dobra v Ukrajini, na obeh straneh, da so letala in helikopterji praktično neuporabni.
Rusi delajo učinkovito. Zato pač droni...
Moj občutek je, da bodo šla letala po poti tankov. Nima več smisla letal s pilotom delati, ker je človek preveč podrejen fizikalnim lastnostim in potrebuje usposabljanje, kar dela letala draga.
EU bi pametno naredila, da bi šla izključno v brezpilotna letala in pa predvsem, namesto v visoko in (pre)drago tehnologijo raje v cenejšo tehnologijo z možnostjo masovne proizvodnje. Kaj ti pomaga letalo z najsodobnejšo tehnologijo, če jih lahko narediš samo 10, ker so predraga.
Strel455 ::
Časi so se spremenili.
Pri air dominance se niso.
ZDA že dolgo niso imele enakovrednega nasprotnika. Simple je metati bombe na kameltrajberje... Pa še tukaj imajo probleme...Protiletalska obramba je tako dobra v Ukrajini, na obeh straneh, da so letala in helikopterji praktično neuporabni.
Dežurni dementnež je zopet udaril. Že spet lapa o neverjetni protiletalski obrambi.
F-35 so se vozili nad Teheranom, ker je bila protiletalska tako neverjetna. A se ruski Su-57 lahko vozi nad Kyivom?
Ruska analogna kurbarija z imenom S-400 je klump, da ji ni para.
Rusi delajo učinkovito. Zato pač droni...
Rusi če bi bili učinkoviti, bi zasedli Ukrajino v parih tednih. Tako da ne, Rusi NISO učinkoviti.
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
A je kakšna zadeva, kjer ti ne bi lagal?
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Ales78 ::
Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k...
A je kakšna zadeva, kjer ti ne bi lagal?
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
Nekje so še Rusi pohvalili ukrajinske drone (če najdem, prilepim) in se delali norce iz ameriških, sicer 100x dražjih.
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bm1973 ::
Tako kot tisti turški broni, Baykatar, neuporabni za ukrajinski konflikt.
So jih Rusi preveč motili in poklatili.
Tudi tisti Predator USA dron bi hitro storil konec v Ukrajini...
So jih Rusi preveč motili in poklatili.
Tudi tisti Predator USA dron bi hitro storil konec v Ukrajini...
Strel455 ::
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
O katerem ruskem dronu za $500 naj bi to zgoraj držalo?
Tako kot tisti turški broni, Baykatar, neuporabni za ukrajinski konflikt.
So jih Rusi preveč motili in poklatili.
Tudi tisti Predator USA dron bi hitro storil konec v Ukrajini...
Ruski dron za $500 je kater??
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