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B-21 Raider Stealth Bomber to Be Revealed Later This Year
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TESKAn ::
Če bi malo dišalo po tem, bi Američani zagnali vik in krik + grdi grdi Kitajci.
Zakaj, kaj bi s tem dosegli?
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
fikus_ ::
Povedali svetu, kaj počnejo grdi Kitajci.
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PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Invictus ::
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Pogled iz U2 na ta balon. Pilot bi ga lahko z revolverjem, bam bam.
Ta raketa ni v uporabi. Nikoli ni bila...
U2 nima orožja. Mi to M-55 iz Rusije, ki je imel vgrajen top... Ja, super, da pilot odpre kabino na 70.000 čevljih...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
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BigWhale ::
M-55 nima vgrajenega topa. M-17 je imel moznost, da se je gor zmontiral nek turret. A kak M-17 se leti je vprasanje, kakor tudi to, a je ostala se kaksna verzija na katero bi lahko zmonitirali ta top. Prej ne kot ja.
Plus, topovi resnicno niso primerna stvar za sestreljevanje balonov, to smo videli ze v praksi.
Plus, topovi resnicno niso primerna stvar za sestreljevanje balonov, to smo videli ze v praksi.
TezkoDihanje ::
Ta raketa ni v uporabi. Nikoli ni bila...
Kokodakaš bedarije in tvoji zaključki so naravnost otročji.
Američani seveda lahko sestrelijo karkoli hočejo na višini 70k čevljev. Tudi sestrelijo lahko karkoli hočejo v nizki orbiti. Kje dobiš ti zaključke, da tega ne bi bili sposobni!?
Na primer SM-3 oziroma malo spremenjena izraelska verzije tega modela Arrow 3, je sestrelila balistično raketo izven atmosfere. Tam, kjer baloni ne morejo več letet, ane.
U2 nima orožja.
Point je v tem, da ne samo, da lahko prestrežejo karkoli na tej višini, še letijo lahko bistveno višje (uraden podatek za U2 je 80k+ feet)
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BigWhale ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Ta raketa ni v uporabi. Nikoli ni bila...
Kokodakaš bedarije in tvoji zaključki so naravnost otročji.
Američani seveda lahko sestrelijo karkoli hočejo na višini 70k čevljev. Tudi sestrelijo lahko karkoli hočejo v nizki orbiti. Kje dobiš ti zaključke, da tega ne bi bili sposobni!?
Na primer SM-3 oziroma malo spremenjena izraelska verzije tega modela Arrow 3, je sestrelila balistično raketo izven atmosfere. Tam, kjer baloni ne morejo več letet, ane.
U2 nima orožja.
Point je v tem, da ne samo, da lahko prestrežejo karkoli na tej višini, še letijo lahko bistveno višje (uraden podatek za U2 je 80k+ feet)
Glede na tvoj odgovor, si ti tisti, ki je bolj otrocji. :)
ASM-135 raketa dejansko nikoli ni bila v uporabi, zadevo so zakljucili leta 1988. Arrow raketa je izraelska in ne ameriska. SM-3 so pa morali modificirati, ker ni bila narejena za sestreljevanje satelitov, plus sestrelitev satelita je bila proof-of-concept zadeva pri kateri je sodelovalo kup razlicnih enot mornarice.
Kar se pa tice letal, trenuten visinki rekord za klasicne reaktivce drzi Mig-25.
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TezkoDihanje ::
Glede na tvoj odgovor, si ti tisti, ki je bolj otrocji. :)
Zopet si zgrešil point.
Napisal je: "In ZDA ga imajo bolj švoh, Nimajo letala, ki bi kaj sklatil na 70.000 čevljih. "
Kar je bedarije prve sorte. Američani so znani po tem, da dajejo ven minimalne specifikacije. Vsi vemo, da so letala sposobna več kot pa piše v nekih uradnih specifikacijah. Za razliko od Rusov, ki pretiravajo kjerkoli se le da, potem pa vidimo, kakšna precenjena klumparije je ruska oprema v realnosti.
Tudi ni potrebno, da se letalo dvigne na takšno višino, da lahko kaj sklati na 21km. Saj imajo rakete svoj doseg in višino delovanja.
ASM-135 raketa dejansko nikoli ni bila v uporabi, zadevo so zakljucili leta 1988.
ASM-135 je enostavno povozil čas. Že takrat so razvijal nekaj sistemov, ki so bili tega sposobni.
Arrow raketa je izraelska in ne ameriska.
ROFL. A bejž no. Na podlagi česa so jo pa naredili?
SM-3 so pa morali modificirati, ker ni bila narejena za sestreljevanje satelitov, plus sestrelitev satelita je bila proof-of-concept zadeva pri kateri je sodelovalo kup razlicnih enot mornarice.
Če praviš nadgradnjam Block X modifikacija, potem pa prav.
Jaz pravim temu razvoj.Update on Aegis SM-3 Block IIA against ICBMs (June 5, 2018)
https://mostlymissiledefense.com/2018/0...
mimogrede...
Mesec nazaj so s starejšimi SM-2 sestrelili manevrirne rakete, ki so letele iz Jemna v Izrael
Incident involving US warship intercepting missiles near Yemen lasted 9 hours
A US warship that intercepted drones and missiles near the coast of Yemen on Thursday encountered a larger and more sustained barrage than was previously known, shooting down 4 cruise missiles and 15 drones over a period of 9 hours, according to a US official familiar with the situation.
BigWhale ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Glede na tvoj odgovor, si ti tisti, ki je bolj otrocji. :)
Zopet si zgrešil point.
Napisal je: "In ZDA ga imajo bolj švoh, Nimajo letala, ki bi kaj sklatil na 70.000 čevljih. "
Kar je bedarije prve sorte. Američani so znani po tem, da dajejo ven minimalne specifikacije. Vsi vemo, da so letala sposobna več kot pa piše v nekih uradnih specifikacijah. Za razliko od Rusov, ki pretiravajo kjerkoli se le da, potem pa vidimo, kakšna precenjena klumparije je ruska oprema v realnosti.
Oboji kdaj pretiravajo in oboji kdaj skrivajo. Takole posplosevat zadeve je mal naivno.
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Tudi ni potrebno, da se letalo dvigne na takšno višino, da lahko kaj sklati na 21km. Saj imajo rakete svoj doseg in višino delovanja.
Ja, in za vecino teh raket ne vemo koliko imajo max operativno visino. Sicer lahko predvidevamo, da 70.000 feet ni nic problematicnega za AIM-9x ali pa AIM-120, podatkov imamo pa bolj malo. Za AIM-9X smo itak videli, da lahko komot sestreli tak balon. :>
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Arrow raketa je izraelska in ne ameriska.
ROFL. A bejž no. Na podlagi česa so jo pa naredili?
Ja in? Taksne zadeve se ne zgodijo cez noc.
Pac-Man ::
Tega so spustili v B-2
I Fly in the B-2 Stealth Bomber!
P.S.
Če greš pogledat Whiteman AFB v Google Earth Pro je posnetek ravno iz septembra 2021, ko je enemu počepnilo podvozje in so ga reševali
https://www.defensenews.com/news/your-a...:quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/6EUEW3YJONH7LENJ4ARPMQH4GY.jpg)
I Fly in the B-2 Stealth Bomber!
I recently got the privilege to fly in the illustrious B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber in celebration of its 30-year anniversary. I was only the 820th person to do so, and one of the few civilians ever granted access to the secure flight line and cockpit.
P.S.
Če greš pogledat Whiteman AFB v Google Earth Pro je posnetek ravno iz septembra 2021, ko je enemu počepnilo podvozje in so ga reševali
https://www.defensenews.com/news/your-a...
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
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Chalky ::
B-21 Raider stealth bomber in production, Pentagon says
Pentagon je potrdil začetek proizvodnje bombnikov zaenkrat se številke gibljejo med 100 pa tudi do 300 bombnikov skozi celoten program. Pentagon pravi da jih bodo proizvedli najmanj 100.
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/b-2...
Pentagon je potrdil začetek proizvodnje bombnikov zaenkrat se številke gibljejo med 100 pa tudi do 300 bombnikov skozi celoten program. Pentagon pravi da jih bodo proizvedli najmanj 100.
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/b-2...
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Chalky ::
Where might the US station its B-21 bombers to deter China?
Here's the reach these scenarios provide the U.S. Air Force:
This shows the B-21 stationed at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam.
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This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Darwin in Australia.
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This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Townsville in Australia.
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This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Amberley in Australia.
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/01...
Sem šel preverjati koliko Kitajske pokrije B-21 raider če ga postavijo na Alasko in pokrije kar lep del Kitajske. Kot kaže bodo Američani imeli glavno bazo izven svoje dražave prav v Avstraliji. Avstralci so sami nekaj govorili da naj bi kupili vsaj 20 bombnikov vendar so potem rekli da bodo raje kupili dodatna bojna letala F-35. Američani bodo verjetno v Avstralijo poslali okoli 30 bombnikov vendar bo prej potrebno postaviti infrastrukturo.
Here's the reach these scenarios provide the U.S. Air Force:
This shows the B-21 stationed at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam.
This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Darwin in Australia.
This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Townsville in Australia.
This shows the B-21 stationed at RAAF Base Amberley in Australia.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/01...
Sem šel preverjati koliko Kitajske pokrije B-21 raider če ga postavijo na Alasko in pokrije kar lep del Kitajske. Kot kaže bodo Američani imeli glavno bazo izven svoje dražave prav v Avstraliji. Avstralci so sami nekaj govorili da naj bi kupili vsaj 20 bombnikov vendar so potem rekli da bodo raje kupili dodatna bojna letala F-35. Američani bodo verjetno v Avstralijo poslali okoli 30 bombnikov vendar bo prej potrebno postaviti infrastrukturo.
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Chalky ::
How did the B-21 RAIDER already make it into production?
The US Air Force and Northrop Grumman have now confirmed that the B-21 Raider has entered low-rate initial production just two months or so after the platform's first test flight. And what may be even crazier... the program appears to be on budget.
Let's talk about what this means for the Raider program, and how we got here.
The US Air Force and Northrop Grumman have now confirmed that the B-21 Raider has entered low-rate initial production just two months or so after the platform's first test flight. And what may be even crazier... the program appears to be on budget.
Let's talk about what this means for the Raider program, and how we got here.
Chalky ::
Om budget je gotovo zato, ker bo Northrop Grumman šel s tem programom $1.2B v minus ;)
Pozabil si omeniti da to velja samo za prvi "lot". Program naj bi bil ob koncu profitabilen. En kos B-2 je stal 2 milijardi dolarjev ker nikoli ni prišlo do masovne proizvodnje. NG pravi da bodo proizvedli vsaj 100 bombnikov to je minimalno. Številke ki krožijo okoli so tudi do 300 bombnikov tako da to sploh ne moreš primerjati.
Dejstvo pa je da so vsi pričakovali da bo program podobno kot F-35 imel precej težav in da bo ogromno zamikov. Začuta pri tem bombniku teh problemov nimajo to pa zaradi same metode proizvodnje ko je vse v digitalni obliki še predno začnejo bombnik sestavljati skupaj. Enako se zdaj dogaja glede NGAD kjer uporabljajo enako metodo. Še nekaj let nazaj so govorili da bo NGAD letalo pripravljeno šele tam okoli leta 2032 na presenečenje vseh pa bodo že letos izbrali naslednje bojno letalo kar je skoraj 10 let prej pred predvidenim.
pegasus ::
TESKAn ::
Začuta pri tem bombniku teh problemov nimajo
Verjetno tudi zaradi izkušenj z F-35, ko so lahko že v štartu upoštevali vse pripombe, ki so jih imeli za F-35.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Chalky ::
Kaj pa to?
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/...
To je/bil dron tanker za ameriško mornarico X-47B, ki je bil v testni fazi. Zdaj ga je zamenjal Boeing MQ-25 Stingray. Sicer zgleda po obliki podobno kot B-21 Raider ampak gre za dve povsem različni zadevi.
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fikus_ ::
Podobno je bilo s ceno Zumwalt rušilcev, katere so zato nehali delati, ker so predragi.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Chalky ::
USAF Hopeful Second B-21 Raider Stealth Bomber Will Fly Before Year End
The U.S. Air Force is hoping to see a second pre-production B-21 Raider stealth bomber take to the skies before the end of the year. The service also says it has conducted four more flight tests of the AGM-181A Long-Range Standoff (LRSO) cruise missile, which will be a key nuclear weapon for the B-21, so far this year.
When asked today about the expected size of the B-21 fleet, Gen. Gebara said that work is still ongoing to reach a firm number. The Air Force's stated plan now is to acquire at least 100 Raiders, but that figure is widely expected to grow. Congress notably included $4.5 billion in funding to help accelerate B-21 production in a reconciliation funding bill, also known as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, signed into law in July. The Pentagon is asking for billions more to support the Raider program in its 2026 Fiscal Year budget request.
https://www.twz.com/air/usaf-hopeful-se...
The U.S. Air Force is hoping to see a second pre-production B-21 Raider stealth bomber take to the skies before the end of the year. The service also says it has conducted four more flight tests of the AGM-181A Long-Range Standoff (LRSO) cruise missile, which will be a key nuclear weapon for the B-21, so far this year.
When asked today about the expected size of the B-21 fleet, Gen. Gebara said that work is still ongoing to reach a firm number. The Air Force's stated plan now is to acquire at least 100 Raiders, but that figure is widely expected to grow. Congress notably included $4.5 billion in funding to help accelerate B-21 production in a reconciliation funding bill, also known as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, signed into law in July. The Pentagon is asking for billions more to support the Raider program in its 2026 Fiscal Year budget request.
https://www.twz.com/air/usaf-hopeful-se...
Chalky ::
Second B-21 Raider Stealth Bomber Has Flown
Air Force officials had previously said their goal was to have two B-21s flying around the end of this year.
A video has emerged that shows the maiden flight of a second pre-production B-21 Raider stealth bomber. Since July, U.S. Air Force officials have been openly talking about their hope to have two B-21s flying 'soon.'
Jarod Hamilton, who also specializes in low-level aircraft photography, shared the footage of the B-21 taking off from the Air Force's Plant 42 in Palmdale, California, at around 8:00 AM local time. The video, seen below, shows the bomber continuing to fly with its landing gear down, which is indicative of initial flight testing. The Raider does lack the air data probe and trailing cone that were seen when the very first B-21 flew back in 2023. An F-16 chase plane is also seen flying alongside.
"It was incredible," he said of seeing the Raider take off. "The sound, the power, I'll never forget."
Hamilton said he did not know how long the flight may have lasted, but tracked it for a few minutes until it was out of sight. The bomber may have flown to Edwards Air Force Base, which is also in California and currently hosts the B-21 Combined Test Force.
TWZ has also reached out to the Air Force for confirmation and further details.
The first of six pre-production B-21s also made its maiden flight in November 2023 from Plant 42 and subsequently moved to Edwards. The Raider's prime contractor, Northrop Grumman, is building the bombers at Plant 42, which is a major hub for advanced and often classified aerospace development work.
https://www.twz.com/air/second-b-21-rai...
Air Force officials had previously said their goal was to have two B-21s flying around the end of this year.
A video has emerged that shows the maiden flight of a second pre-production B-21 Raider stealth bomber. Since July, U.S. Air Force officials have been openly talking about their hope to have two B-21s flying 'soon.'
Jarod Hamilton, who also specializes in low-level aircraft photography, shared the footage of the B-21 taking off from the Air Force's Plant 42 in Palmdale, California, at around 8:00 AM local time. The video, seen below, shows the bomber continuing to fly with its landing gear down, which is indicative of initial flight testing. The Raider does lack the air data probe and trailing cone that were seen when the very first B-21 flew back in 2023. An F-16 chase plane is also seen flying alongside.
"It was incredible," he said of seeing the Raider take off. "The sound, the power, I'll never forget."
Hamilton said he did not know how long the flight may have lasted, but tracked it for a few minutes until it was out of sight. The bomber may have flown to Edwards Air Force Base, which is also in California and currently hosts the B-21 Combined Test Force.
TWZ has also reached out to the Air Force for confirmation and further details.
The first of six pre-production B-21s also made its maiden flight in November 2023 from Plant 42 and subsequently moved to Edwards. The Raider's prime contractor, Northrop Grumman, is building the bombers at Plant 42, which is a major hub for advanced and often classified aerospace development work.
https://www.twz.com/air/second-b-21-rai...
mojsterleo ::
Dvomim da bodo kdaj naredili 300 bombnikov B-21. Še 100 se zdi močno preveč.
Že pri B-2 so od začetka planirali tja do 150 bombnikov, sedaj jih imajo 21 uporabnih.
Uporabnost se zdi ne dovolj velika. Itak če bodo kdaj ti bombniki dejansko poleteli proti Kitajski ali Rusiji, bo konec sveta kot ga poznamo, zelo blizu.
Že pri B-2 so od začetka planirali tja do 150 bombnikov, sedaj jih imajo 21 uporabnih.
Uporabnost se zdi ne dovolj velika. Itak če bodo kdaj ti bombniki dejansko poleteli proti Kitajski ali Rusiji, bo konec sveta kot ga poznamo, zelo blizu.
Chalky ::
Zagotovo jim bodo proizvedli vsaj 100-150 ker drugače bodo ostali brez bombnikov glede nato da bodo B-52 in B-1 ter B-2 upokojili.
Poleg tega je nesmiselno primerjati B-2 in B-21 raider kar se tiče proizvodnje ker je več kot očitno da gre za povsem drugačno metodo proizvodnje preko digitalnega dvojčka kjer proizvodnja poteka bistveno hitreje ter bistveno lažje kar pomeni da so ti bombniki precej cenejši kot tisti B-2 ki so jih gradili leta 1980.
Pravo vprašanje bo če bodo gradili več kot 100 bombnikov. Do zdaj je bila največja številka tam okoli 175-200. Lahko da bodo številko še bistveno povečali sploh če imajo v planu da bo ta bombnik avtonomen in brez pilotov kar pomeni da bodo lahko prihranili ogromno denarja ki bi lahko šel za dodatni nakup.
Poleg tega Avstralija resno razmišlja za nakup teh bombnikov.
Poleg tega je nesmiselno primerjati B-2 in B-21 raider kar se tiče proizvodnje ker je več kot očitno da gre za povsem drugačno metodo proizvodnje preko digitalnega dvojčka kjer proizvodnja poteka bistveno hitreje ter bistveno lažje kar pomeni da so ti bombniki precej cenejši kot tisti B-2 ki so jih gradili leta 1980.
Pravo vprašanje bo če bodo gradili več kot 100 bombnikov. Do zdaj je bila največja številka tam okoli 175-200. Lahko da bodo številko še bistveno povečali sploh če imajo v planu da bo ta bombnik avtonomen in brez pilotov kar pomeni da bodo lahko prihranili ogromno denarja ki bi lahko šel za dodatni nakup.
Poleg tega Avstralija resno razmišlja za nakup teh bombnikov.
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mojsterleo ::
Zagotovo jim bodo proizvedli vsaj 100-150 ker drugače bodo ostali brez bombnikov glede nato da bodo B-52 in B-1 ter B-2 upokojili.
Poleg tega je nesmiselno primerjati B-2 in B-21 raider kar se tiče proizvodnje ker je več kot očitno da gre za povsem drugačno metodo proizvodnje preko digitalnega dvojčka kjer proizvodnja poteka bistveno hitreje ter bistveno lažje kar pomeni da so ti bombniki precej cenejši kot tisti B-2 ki so jih gradili leta 1980.
Pravo vprašanje bo če bodo gradili več kot 100 bombnikov. Do zdaj je bila največja številka tam okoli 175-200. Lahko da bodo številko še bistveno povečali sploh če imajo v planu da bo ta bombnik avtonomen in brez pilotov kar pomeni da bodo lahko prihranili ogromno denarja ki bi lahko šel za dodatni nakup.
Poleg tega Avstralija resno razmišlja za nakup teh bombnikov.
B-52 bodo upokojili leta 2050.
B-21 bo kvečjemu nadomestil B-1 in B-2 bombnike. Prvih imajo američani 101 drugih pa 21. Torej predvidevam da bo max števika tam nekje 120 komadov.
bm1973 ::
Me res zanima, če bodo uspeli zadevo speljati do konca in zamenjati B-1B in B-2.
Ne vem pa od kje oznaka B-21...
Saj med B-2 in B-21 ni bilo drugih bombnikov.
Ne vem pa od kje oznaka B-21...
Saj med B-2 in B-21 ni bilo drugih bombnikov.
Chalky ::
"21" predstavlja 21st Century. Drugače bodo pa zagotovo proizvedli najmanj 100 bombnikov (osebno pravim da 200), predvsem ker bodo upokojili B-2 in B-1 medtem ko naj bi B-52 obnovili, čeprav ni garantirano in bi lahko tudi B-52 upokojili leta 2050.
Približno 20 bombnikov naj bi naročila tudi Avstralija. Tako da je povsem možno da jih bodo proizvedli ogromno. Poleg tega je ta bombnik tudi bistveno cenejši od B-2.
Približno 20 bombnikov naj bi naročila tudi Avstralija. Tako da je povsem možno da jih bodo proizvedli ogromno. Poleg tega je ta bombnik tudi bistveno cenejši od B-2.
bm1973 ::
B-52 ravno prenavljajo, novi motorji (končno) plus cel kup nove elektronike.
Naj bi bil 500 milijonov. Ampak na koncu bi milijarda za letalo...
Karkoli narediš, je cenejše od B-2
. Sam pri B-2 je bil problem, ker so jih naredili tako malo, pa se je denar za razvoj potalal samo med 21 letal... Če bi jih naredil 132, kot je bil plan, bi bili precej cenejši.
Poleg tega je ta bombnik tudi bistveno cenejši od B-2.
Naj bi bil 500 milijonov. Ampak na koncu bi milijarda za letalo...
Karkoli narediš, je cenejše od B-2
. Sam pri B-2 je bil problem, ker so jih naredili tako malo, pa se je denar za razvoj potalal samo med 21 letal... Če bi jih naredil 132, kot je bil plan, bi bili precej cenejši. Zgodovina sprememb…
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Chalky ::
Ja, ravno zato pravim da bo verjetno na koncu B-21 precej cenejši ker jih bodo proizvajali v masovnih številkah. Drugače je pa meni F-47 program bistveno bolj zanimiv. Tudi čakam da vidim Navy varianto ki naj bi jo kmalu objavili. Lockheed je pa tudi že rekel da želijo začeti proizvajati F-35 "Ferari" različico, ki naj bi imel twin engine in bi bil nadgradnja F-22.
Drugače je pa Project Mayham nekakšen final boss
Everything We Know About the Air Force's Secret Plan to Develop a Hypersonic Bomber
After Russia launched a nearly unstoppable missile, America is hitting back with a bomber that can travel at Mach 10.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita...
Ko bo to enkrat v zraku bodo B-21 bombniki že zastareli. Sicer je projekt "secret" ampak bojda naj bi že testirali nekaj podobnega.
Drugače je pa Project Mayham nekakšen final boss
Everything We Know About the Air Force's Secret Plan to Develop a Hypersonic Bomber
After Russia launched a nearly unstoppable missile, America is hitting back with a bomber that can travel at Mach 10.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita...
Ko bo to enkrat v zraku bodo B-21 bombniki že zastareli. Sicer je projekt "secret" ampak bojda naj bi že testirali nekaj podobnega.
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Chalky ::
Air Force ramps up B-21 Raider production capacity, aims for 2027 delivery
A $4.5 billion spending boost for the B-21 program outlined by lawmakers as part of the 2025 reconciliation package will help fund the accelerated production.
The Air Force today announced a new agreement with Northrop Grumman to "ramp" production of the in-development B-21 Raider, using $4.5 billion in reconciliation funding to help deliver the bomber by 2027.
"The B-21 is doing well," Air Force Secretary Troy Meink told the AFA Warfare Symposium. In fuller statements in an Air Force release, Meink said, "Accelerating production capacity now ensures we deliver operational capability to combatant commanders faster -- strengthening our ability to outpace, deter, and, if necessary, defeat emerging threats. This is disciplined execution at the speed the security environment demands."
The Air Force also revealed that it expects to have the aircraft "on the ramp at Ellsworth Air Force Base" in South Dakota in 2027.
"This decision reflects our confidence in the program's performance and the stability of the industrial base," Gen. Dale R. White, direct reporting manager for critical weapon systems including the B-21, said in the Air Force release. "By increasing production capacity now, we are responsibly accelerating delivery of a critical, combat-effective capability to the warfighter."
https://breakingdefense.com/2026/02/air...
Kot kaže so dvignili proizvodnjo iz 7 na 9 bombnikov na leto. Je pa že zdaj jasno da jih bodo naročili kar krepko preko 100 sploh če jih bodo na leto res tako veliko proizvedli. ZDA imajo v tem trenutku zgolj nekaj čez 100 bombnikov in še tiso precej stari. ZDA so imele bistveno več bombnikov še nekaj desetletij nazaj. ZDA bi morale imeti najmanj 500 bombnikov sploh zdaj ko so v tekmi s Kitajsko.
A $4.5 billion spending boost for the B-21 program outlined by lawmakers as part of the 2025 reconciliation package will help fund the accelerated production.
The Air Force today announced a new agreement with Northrop Grumman to "ramp" production of the in-development B-21 Raider, using $4.5 billion in reconciliation funding to help deliver the bomber by 2027.
"The B-21 is doing well," Air Force Secretary Troy Meink told the AFA Warfare Symposium. In fuller statements in an Air Force release, Meink said, "Accelerating production capacity now ensures we deliver operational capability to combatant commanders faster -- strengthening our ability to outpace, deter, and, if necessary, defeat emerging threats. This is disciplined execution at the speed the security environment demands."
The Air Force also revealed that it expects to have the aircraft "on the ramp at Ellsworth Air Force Base" in South Dakota in 2027.
"This decision reflects our confidence in the program's performance and the stability of the industrial base," Gen. Dale R. White, direct reporting manager for critical weapon systems including the B-21, said in the Air Force release. "By increasing production capacity now, we are responsibly accelerating delivery of a critical, combat-effective capability to the warfighter."
https://breakingdefense.com/2026/02/air...
Kot kaže so dvignili proizvodnjo iz 7 na 9 bombnikov na leto. Je pa že zdaj jasno da jih bodo naročili kar krepko preko 100 sploh če jih bodo na leto res tako veliko proizvedli. ZDA imajo v tem trenutku zgolj nekaj čez 100 bombnikov in še tiso precej stari. ZDA so imele bistveno več bombnikov še nekaj desetletij nazaj. ZDA bi morale imeti najmanj 500 bombnikov sploh zdaj ko so v tekmi s Kitajsko.
BigWhale ::
ZDA bi morale imeti najmanj 500 bombnikov sploh zdaj ko so v tekmi s Kitajsko.
Stevilo bombnikov se je zmanjsalo z razlogom. Ok je, ce nadomestijo trenutne kapacitete, neko bistveno povecevanje pa nima smisla.
Bombnik je morda 'neviden', trenutno stand-off orozje pa se ni in se ga da kar lepo prestrezati. Namesto bombnikov bo pocasi treba zaceti delati na "drone carriers".
fikus_ ::
Pri teh "nevidnih" letalih je ideja, da pride dovolj blizu, odvrže bombo/izstreli raketo tako blizu, da nasprotnik nima dovolj časa odgovoriti/sestreliti orožja.
Ta "nevidna" letala se precej dobro in na velike razdalje vidijo na dolgo valovnih radarjih, ki pa niso primerni za natančno določanje položaja in vodenje raket na cilj.
Kitajci bi naj imeli neko kvantno zadevo, kako dobro deluje, ali res deluje ja pa vprašanje.
Ta "nevidna" letala se precej dobro in na velike razdalje vidijo na dolgo valovnih radarjih, ki pa niso primerni za natančno določanje položaja in vodenje raket na cilj.
Kitajci bi naj imeli neko kvantno zadevo, kako dobro deluje, ali res deluje ja pa vprašanje.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Stane2 ::
na velike razdalje vidijo na dolgo valovnih radarjih,
V bistvu ne vidijo nič, ker je te valove izredno enostavno motiti.
fikus_ ::
na velike razdalje vidijo na dolgo valovnih radarjih,
V bistvu ne vidijo nič, ker je te valove izredno enostavno motiti.
Kar vidijo, je pa neuporabno za vodenje raket.
Za motenje boš pa gotovo dal vir?!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Stane2 ::
fikus_ ::
Za motenje boš pa gotovo dal vir?!
Poišči si vire v temi o Venezueli in zakaj kitajski radarji takega tipa niso nič videli...
Nabijaš nekaj , virov pa ve daš. Tipičen ST trol.
Tukaj imaš nekaj na temo dolgovalovnih radarjev in zaznavanja "nevidnih" letal:
https://www.flyajetfighter.com/how-rada...
PS Sicer ni tema za to, ampak v Venezueli so imeli ugasnjene radarje!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
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Stane2 ::
u pičko matrno kako si nesposoben.. neverjetno dno od dna
Q: which chinese radars in Venezuela should see stealth planes but they didnt
A:
The main Chinese radars in Venezuela that were promoted as capable of detecting stealth aircraft--but reportedly failed to do so during the U.S. military operation in early January 2026 (the raid to capture Nicolás Maduro)--are primarily from the JY-27A series.
This VHF-band radar (often called an "anti-stealth" or "stealth hunter" system) was marketed by China (via the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, or CETC) as able to detect low-observable U.S. aircraft like the F-22, F-35, or similar stealth platforms at long ranges--claims ranged from 150+ miles (240+ km) to nearly 400 km in some promotions.
Venezuela reportedly acquired multiple units (at least several, with some sources mentioning up to 9 or 12 in their network), integrating them into a broader air defense setup that included Russian systems like S-300VM missiles.
During the U.S. raid:
Multiple reports indicate the JY-27A (and possibly related/supporting Chinese radars) did not provide effective early warning or detection of incoming U.S. aircraft, including stealth fighters (e.g., F-35s) and support platforms like EA-18G Growlers for electronic warfare.
Q: which chinese radars in Venezuela should see stealth planes but they didnt
A:
The main Chinese radars in Venezuela that were promoted as capable of detecting stealth aircraft--but reportedly failed to do so during the U.S. military operation in early January 2026 (the raid to capture Nicolás Maduro)--are primarily from the JY-27A series.
This VHF-band radar (often called an "anti-stealth" or "stealth hunter" system) was marketed by China (via the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, or CETC) as able to detect low-observable U.S. aircraft like the F-22, F-35, or similar stealth platforms at long ranges--claims ranged from 150+ miles (240+ km) to nearly 400 km in some promotions.
Venezuela reportedly acquired multiple units (at least several, with some sources mentioning up to 9 or 12 in their network), integrating them into a broader air defense setup that included Russian systems like S-300VM missiles.
During the U.S. raid:
Multiple reports indicate the JY-27A (and possibly related/supporting Chinese radars) did not provide effective early warning or detection of incoming U.S. aircraft, including stealth fighters (e.g., F-35s) and support platforms like EA-18G Growlers for electronic warfare.
bm1973 ::
na velike razdalje vidijo na dolgo valovnih radarjih,
V bistvu ne vidijo nič, ker je te valove izredno enostavno motiti.
Če jih nekdo v zraku moti, potem vidiš vir motenj...
Simple triangulacija... Plus ponavadi so motilni signali precej močnejši...
Nič lažjega kot usmeriti raketo na vir motenj, pa še ne zazna je nihče...
Hlapci! Za hlapce rojeni, za hlapce vzgojeni, ustvarjeni za hlapčevanje.
Gospodar se menja, bič pa ostane, in bo ostal za vekomaj; zato, ker je hrbet
skrivljen, biča vajen in željan! [Ivan Cankar]
Gospodar se menja, bič pa ostane, in bo ostal za vekomaj; zato, ker je hrbet
skrivljen, biča vajen in željan! [Ivan Cankar]
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fikus_ ::
u pičko matrno kako si nesposoben.. neverjetno dno od dna
Q: which chinese radars in Venezuela should see stealth planes but they didnt
A:
The main Chinese radars in Venezuela that were promoted as capable of detecting stealth aircraft--but reportedly failed to do so during the U.S. military operation in early January 2026 (the raid to capture Nicolás Maduro)--are primarily from the JY-27A series.
This VHF-band radar (often called an "anti-stealth" or "stealth hunter" system) was marketed by China (via the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, or CETC) as able to detect low-observable U.S. aircraft like the F-22, F-35, or similar stealth platforms at long ranges--claims ranged from 150+ miles (240+ km) to nearly 400 km in some promotions.
Venezuela reportedly acquired multiple units (at least several, with some sources mentioning up to 9 or 12 in their network), integrating them into a broader air defense setup that included Russian systems like S-300VM missiles.
During the U.S. raid:
Multiple reports indicate the JY-27A (and possibly related/supporting Chinese radars) did not provide effective early warning or detection of incoming U.S. aircraft, including stealth fighters (e.g., F-35s) and support platforms like EA-18G Growlers for electronic warfare.
Jaz sem pisal eno, ti si pa Venezuelo privlekel not. Kaj še sanjaš o Venezueli?!
Če pa že hočeš: Venezuelci so imeli ugasnjene radarje.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Stane2 ::
Če jih nekdo v zraku moti, potem vidiš vir motenj...
Simple triangulacija... Plus ponavadi so motilni signali precej močnejši...
Nič lažjega kot usmeriti raketo na vir motenj, pa še ne zazna je nihče...
V tvoji glavi je vse simple, samo v resničnosti, ni NIČ SIMPLE.
Q: Can radars mask their position
A: Yes, radars can (and often do) take steps to mask or conceal their position, especially in military contexts where revealing their location can make them vulnerable to attack (e.g., by anti-radiation missiles, electronic warfare, or strikes).
Q: can EW mask their position
A: Yes, electronic warfare (EW) systems and platforms can — and routinely do — take measures to mask or conceal their position, though it's often more challenging than for passive sensors or receive-only systems. EW platforms (jammers, electronic attack pods, dedicated EW aircraft like the EA-18G Growler, ground-based jammers, etc.) typically emit high-power signals to disrupt enemy radars, communications, or guidance systems. These active emissions are inherently detectable and locatable by adversary electronic support measures (ESM), signals intelligence (SIGINT), or radar warning receivers — often from greater distances than the jammer's effective range against its target.This creates the same core vulnerability as active radars: emitting reveals you. However, modern military EW employs multiple layered techniques to reduce the probability of detection, interception, precise location fixing, or effective counteraction.
Jaz sem pisal eno, ti si pa Venezuelo privlekel not. Kaj še sanjaš o Venezueli?!
Meni se bruha od tvoje nesposobnosti.
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