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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

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Goran10 ::

fur80 je izjavil:

Še nekaj evropskega, kar bo letelo na Ruse: Ruta B1 imajo kapiciteto trenutno izdelati 300 na mesec.

Najpomembnejše pri Ruti ni samo 300-kilometrski doseg. Raketa je od začetka zasnovana tako, da je dovolj poceni in enostavna za množično proizvodnjo. Destinus jo izrecno opisuje kot sistem, optimiziran za "high-volume salvo engagements" -- torej za uporabo večjega števila raket, ne le posameznih zelo dragih izstrelkov.


Ruta B1: 300+ km / 150 kg
Ruta B2: 700+ km / 250 kg
Ruta B3: načrtovanih približno 2.000 km / 250 kg

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/21...


He he ko bo tole prebrali Putinovi feni jih lahko samo še priklopimo na aparate.

karafeka ::

Hmm, a niso vsa ta poceni in učinkovita orožja nekak kontraproduktivna za profite zahodne vojaške industrije?

Goran10 ::

KBraneK007 je izjavil:

Meni še zdaj ni jasno kako so lahko simpatizerji Putlerja kateri v dno duše sovražijo ZDA in zahod tako mirno sprejeli, da je putin na veliko začel sodelovat z kavbojci in bo ogromno ruskega premoženja prodal ameriškim kapitalistom.


Ja res fascinantno. Malo bolj oddaljeni opazovalec takoj opazi kako se je lahko Zahod razširil na vzhod Evrope ker Putinova banda nikdar nima vzvoda da bi to preprečila in so vedno odvisni kako potekajo notranje politični boji na zahodu in seveda takoj ko nekdo pokaže dobro voljo do Putlerja te drobtine takoj on in njegovi feni poberejo brez vprašanja.

karafeka je izjavil:

Hmm, a niso vsa ta poceni in učinkovita orožja nekak kontraproduktivna za profite zahodne vojaške industrije?


Po gibanju njihovih delnic bi rekel da jim ne gre ravno slabo. Je pa res da je Ukrajina z lastno produkcijo dobra konkurenca na globalni sceni. Tole kar se zdaj dogaja bo težek šamar dragi ameriški produkciji.

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Bici ::



Rafinerije so nazaj na meniju :))

Grimnir3 ::

Bici je izjavil:



Rafinerije so nazaj na meniju :))


Premor vmes je bil samo zato, da so jih rusi malo popravili.
Ni boljšega kot da jim pustiš malo premora da zmečejo ful virov in energije v popravila, pa potem še enkrat zdemoliraš. :D

Leif ::

I do find it funny, though, that this massive attack involving over 1,400 long-range drones, hundreds of successful strikes, and almost every region of Ukraine hit was almost entirely ignored in the information space in favour for two Russian refineries being hit by a few Ukrainian drones each.


https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/21171...

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shmandi ::

karafeka je izjavil:

Hmm, a niso vsa ta poceni in učinkovita orožja nekak kontraproduktivna za profite zahodne vojaške industrije?

Zanimivo, a ne? Boš moral malo apdejtat svoje razmišljanje...

Leif je izjavil:

I do find it funny, though, that this massive attack involving over 1,400 long-range drones, hundreds of successful strikes, and almost every region of Ukraine hit was almost entirely ignored in the information space in favour for two Russian refineries being hit by a few Ukrainian drones each.


https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/21171...

Torej se je Ukrajina že najmanj predala, če že ni cela porušena do tal, al kako?

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shmandi ::

ZDA sper "rešujejo" Evropo. Samo očitno smo tako "neumni", da nočemo njihove pomoči... raje propademo, ket bi rekli putleroljubci in kvizlingi.

The U.S. is backing a quick resumption of Russian natural-gas sales to Europe via pipelines running through Moscow's wartime enemy--Ukraine--as part of negotiations aimed at securing an energy ceasefire ahead of the coming winter, according to U.S., European and Ukrainian officials.

Leif ::

Če imamo kaj, imamo pa plin.

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fur80 ::

Leif je izjavil:

I do find it funny, though, that this massive attack involving over 1,400 long-range drones, hundreds of successful strikes, and almost every region of Ukraine hit was almost entirely ignored in the information space in favour for two Russian refineries being hit by a few Ukrainian drones each.


https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/21171...


Ja saj to vas, ki to lepite nikakor ne razuem. Će te nekdo napade in te napada vsaki dan je pričakovano ali ni, da boš malo slabše živel? A se strinjava? :D Ne razumem pa, da ti (se pravi Rus) napadeš nekoga, da boš ti kot Rus slabše živel pa mi ne gre v glavo! :D

shmandi ::

Leif je izjavil:

Če imamo kaj, imamo pa plin.

Kar imejte ga. Bomo preživeli tudi brez...

Goran10 ::

shmandi je izjavil:

Leif je izjavil:

Če imamo kaj, imamo pa plin.

Kar imejte ga. Bomo preživeli tudi brez...



Ha ha to so te posli v stilu ruskega dizla. Trump in njegova druščina s Putinam na čelu ravno ne uživa veliko zaupanja.

shmandi ::

Brazilci ga bodo z veseljem prevzeli. Baje po polovični ceni. Mogoče pa bo le kaj ratalo iz BrICS in NWO...

vudy ::

Leif je izjavil:

I do find it funny, though, that this massive attack involving over 1,400 long-range drones, hundreds of successful strikes, and almost every region of Ukraine hit was almost entirely ignored in the information space in favour for two Russian refineries being hit by a few Ukrainian drones each.


https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/21171...


AMK mapping? Proruski mapper, ki trdi da je nevtralen, proukrajinski.
1400 dronov v enem dnevu? In vse je preštel?
Kakšne nebuloze, bog pomagaj...

shmandi ::

Rusi ploskajo, kako gori Pariz...
A russian complains about Ukrainian drone strikes and the government's silence over local problems, while state media shows nothing but foreign news. "For two weeks, from sunrise to sunset, they tell us how Paris is burning."
https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussi...

vudy je izjavil:



AMK mapping? Proruski mapper, ki trdi da je nevtralen, proukrajinski.
1400 dronov v enem dnevu? In vse je preštel?
Kakšne nebuloze, bog pomagaj...

Za propagando je dobro... tudi če nima zveze z realnostjo.

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Pac-Man ::

Ukrajinci so se odločili, da bodo Rusom POVSOD kvarili dneve, 2x video

https://x.com/cqc_coffee_guns/status/21...

Arhivski posnetki delovanja posebne enote »Timur« ukrajinske vojaške obveščevalne službe (HUR) v Sudanu.

Ta ukrajinska enota za posebne operacije je izvajala kopenske napade, nočne operacije in napade z droni FPV na sile RSF ter pripadnike zasebne vojaške družbe Wagner, ki so podpirali upornike.

Po mojem mnenju je to ena najbolj neverjetnih operacij v celotni vojni.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

shmandi ::

Hackers claim to have stolen 23TB of data from Russian statistics body, including Ukraine war casualty figures

The Russian Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) admitted that its servers were hit by coordinated cyberattacks between October 29 and 31. However, it denied claims that tens of terabytes of data had been leaked, as asserted by hack groups like the Belarusian CyberPartisans and Silent Crow. Rosstat stopped publishing annual cause-of-death statistics in 2024, but the hackers say that the huge new 23TB data haul includes data on Russian wartime losses marked "for official use only," reports The Moscow Times. A new chart shared by the hack groups using the data suggests that as many as 50,000 Russian soldiers are killed every month.

Windlass ::

Problematične stvari. Ni čisto jasno zakaj se gre, na delu so tudi provokatorji..
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/211730722...

Crowd tries to storm a building near Kyiv amid rumors that dozens of people are being held captive inside

A crowd gathered in Petropavlivska Borshchahivka following reports that armed men were allegedly torturing people in the basement of a building.

However, law enforcement sources told TSN that reports of a mass hostage situation were false. According to them, only one person is inside the building -- reportedly a soldier who went AWOL.

Meanwhile, tensions outside the building have escalated. Local Telegram channels report clashes at the gates and the use of tear gas. Eyewitnesses also claim that people attempting to enter the premises were sprayed with an unknown substance resembling expanding construction foam.

The circumstances of the clashes have not yet been officially confirmed.

Military personnel have now arrived at the controversial house near Kyiv

Authorities are still investigating allegations of unlawful detention and torture in Petropavlivska Borshchahivka.
It seems General Pivnenko's explanations failed to convince the crowd. People gathered outside are trying to kick down the fence and force their way onto the property to free others they believe are still being held inside.

mtosev ::

shmandi je izjavil:

Hackers claim to have stolen 23TB of data from Russian statistics body, including Ukraine war casualty figures

The Russian Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) admitted that its servers were hit by coordinated cyberattacks between October 29 and 31. However, it denied claims that tens of terabytes of data had been leaked, as asserted by hack groups like the Belarusian CyberPartisans and Silent Crow. Rosstat stopped publishing annual cause-of-death statistics in 2024, but the hackers say that the huge new 23TB data haul includes data on Russian wartime losses marked "for official use only," reports The Moscow Times. A new chart shared by the hack groups using the data suggests that as many as 50,000 Russian soldiers are killed every month.

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Windlass ::

The death toll from the Russian strike on an educational institution in Komyshuvakha has risen to 24. Among them are two rescue workers and four police officers.

shmandi ::

Glede na to, da je prej nekdo pisal, da so poslali 1400 dronov nad civiliste, bo verjetno še več žrtev.

Windlass ::

https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/2117...
Komyshuvakha, Ukraine.

Russia simply dropped an aerial bomb on a local school where people had gathered to receive humanitarian aid. And when they went to a shelter, Russia dropped another NINE (!!!) glide bombs on it.

The result: at least 24 people killed, including at least two rescue workers who had arrived to help the victims.

Noro. Pravi humanitarci.

shmandi ::

Saj to je sedaj njihova taktika. Čim več civilnih žrtev, ker vedo, da to najbolj boli...

Saj ne, da so v zadnjih letih kaj spoštovali, a vseeno...
On Nov. 1, Russia officially withrdrew from the European Convention for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT), after been a party since 1998, Council of Europe

Zcall ::

Kaj so to ukrajinci objavili? Ne vemo kdo je notri oz. notri je samo en vojak, ti ki so vdrli pa so mislili da se v stavbi muči ... wtf jst to berem?

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Windlass ::

Najbolje da počakaš na več informacij, ker ti se še s celim kontekstom ne znajdeš dobro.

Dejansko ni pol tako dramatično kot je najprej zgledalo, ni pa 2x za rečt da ni bil kdo pregrob ali izsiljeval koga. Če bi vendarle reformirali TCK se taki preplahi ne bi dogajali.. ne vem a nočejo al ne morejo. Ruski propagandisti imajo pa seveda veselico.

Časovnica s pomočjo AI:
1. Pred začetkom javnega incidenta - vojaška namestitvena točka
- V hiši na ulici Sončna 7 je bil začasni objekt enote Nacionalne garde, povezane s 1. korpusom Azov.
- Po pojasnilu poveljnika Pivnenka so tam nameščali mobilizirane vojake, ki so čakali na dokumentacijo in premestitev v učne centre.
- Tam so bili tudi vojaki, ki so jih po samovoljnem odhodu iz enote (SZČ) izsledili in vrnili v enoto.

2. Čez dan - klic zasebne urgence in začetek zgodbe
- Svojci enega od vrnjenih vojakov so poklicali zasebno reševalno službo, ker naj bi potreboval zdravniško pomoč.
- Reševalna služba je poklicala policijo ker ji Nacionalna garda ni dovolila dostopa do pacienta
- Policija je potrdila klic zaradi preprečevanja dostopa do osebe
- Tožilstvo je pozneje navedlo, da je bil ta vojak do približno 14.30 pregledan in da je bil v zadovoljivem stanju, brez ugotovljenih telesnih poškodb. Tožilstvo je obenem izrazilo sum, da je bil klic uporabljen za pomoč pri izogibanju služenju in ustvarjanje medijskega pritiska. To je razlaga spec. državnega tožilstva.

3. Opoldne in popoldne - razširijo se govorice
- Po družbenih omrežjih se je razširila trditev, da je v hiši približno 40 talcev, med njimi hudo poškodovani in umirajoči ljudje.
- Policija je zanikala, da bi šlo za nezakonito zadrževanje 40 ljudi ali da bi kdo umrl.
- Ob hiši se je začela zbirati množica, ki je zahtevala izpustitev ljudi in poskušala vdreti v objekt.

4. Vloga ženske, ki se je predstavljala kot predstavnica urgence
- Ženska je bila identificirana kot Valentina Moloda.
- Predstavljala se je kot lastnica oziroma predstavnica zasebne klinike Med-prestiž.
- Klinika je prenehala delovati leta 2023, reševalno vozilo, ki je prišlo na kraj, pa je bilo prodano leta 2024. Nekdanji lastnik je zanikal, da bi imela pravico uporabljati njegovo ime ali se predstavljati kot lastnica.
- Po navedbah policijskega predstavnika je prav ona začela širiti trditve o nezakonitem zadrževanju ljudi, ki potrebujejo nujno pomoč.

5. Pozno popoldne in zvečer - potrdijo štiri poškodovane vojake
- Poveljnik Nacionalne garde Pivnenko je potrdil, da so štiri vojake, vrnjene po SZČ, odpeljali na zdravniško obravnavo.
- Prebivalci so trdili, da so na nekaterih videli sledi pretepanja.
- Poveljnik je zanikal mučenje, vendar obljubil preiskavo.
- Tudi 1. korpus Azov je potrdil poškodbe in napovedal, da bodo ob ugotovljenih kršitvah odgovorni kaznovani. Izvor poškodb do zdaj ni pojasnjen.

6. Pozno zvečer - prihod Budanova in 14-letnik
- Na kraj je prišel vodja predsedniškega urada Kirilo Budanov. Z množico se je pogovarjal in pozval ljudi, naj se razidejo.
- Iz objekta so začeli odvajati ljudi.
- Med njimi je bil tudi 14-letnik. Po poročanju medijev je Budanovu povedal, da je prišel s prijatelji. Na posnetkih naj bi plezal po ograji in padel.
- Eden od protestnikov je trdil, da so ga policisti vrgli z ograje in pretepli. Budanov je obljubil preverjanje, vendar ta obtožba za zdaj ni potrjena. Njegovi starši naj bi prišli ponj.

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razor1911 ::

Tisoč petsto sedeminsedemdeset slonckov se je pozibavalo
na pajčevini tam pod drevesom,
ko so ugotovili, da je stvar zanimiva,
so poklicali se enega slončka...

/s
Obstajata samo dve vrsti desničarjev: bogati in njim koristni idioti.

Preveri svoj bančni račun, da ugotoviš, v katero skupino spadaš.

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mtosev ::

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KBraneK007 ::

razor1911 je izjavil:

Tisoč petsto sedeminsedemdeset slonckov se je pozibavalo
na pajčevini tam pod drevesom,
ko so ugotovili, da je stvar zanimiva,
so poklicali se enega slončka...

/s


Ljubezen do Putlera ne pozna meja!

Goran10 ::

fur80 je izjavil:

Kam smo prišli od 3 dni do Kijeva!

Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov claims Ukrainian forces could seize territory in Hungary, Poland, Romania and Moldova and that NATO "would not be able to stop them." The comment is a striking reversal in tone from years of Russian state-media rhetoric portraying Moscow as capable of overwhelming Europe with ease. The narrative has shifted from boasting about Russian strength to warning that Ukraine could supposedly roll across half the continent

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/211700...

Še nekaj za Zcall-a, če je kateri Rus spregovoril proti Putinu, ko si je ta utiral absolutno oblast v državi.

"I wish for Ukraine not to be Russia, but to be a separate sovereign state."
An interview with Igor Sorin, one of the "Ivanushki," given at the end of the nineties, when Putinism was looming over Russia and the Second Chechen War.

In the same year, Igor Sorin died under unclear circumstances.

https://x.com/MirovichMedia/status/2116...

Naj bi že takrat prostovoljno skočil skozi okno.
Igor Sorin @ Wikipedia



He he Ruska propaganda v kratkem stiku. Če že Rusi ne morejo marširat po Evropi potem naj pa vsaj Ukrajinci:))

Windlass ::

Novinar KyivIndependent o včerajšnjem incidentu z mobilizacijskim centrom:
https://x.com/francisjfarrell/status/21...
I was one of the only foreign journalists present at this evening's clash at the National Guard facility in a suburb outside Kyiv. Here's what you need to understand. Long and difficult thread.

The process of carrying out mobilisation and then dividing draftees among units is a challenging logistical operation, and such transition-holding locations are common solutions when the pieces of the puzzle do not quite line up.

Unfortunately, this leg of the draftee's journey exists in a legal grey area, and, depending on the unit and the individuals in charge, can be the site of abuse. This is what was initially alleged here, sparking the call of the "private ambulance," and then the gathering crowd.

When I got there, about 100 people were outside, yelling at the policemen and National Guardsmen guarding the house. Mostly younger men, some women and teens, and two workers of this "private ambulance" and their vehicle.

Every time there was an attempt at dialogue, things escalated, in what felt like a very artificial way. Eggs were thrown, then flares, water bottles, at law enforcement and the soldiers.

What stood out to me was how there were certain main characters of the story, as if they had clear roles to play. The few men in civilian clothes attacking and provoking; the teen in a gas mask who climbed the fence, started throwing bricks, and was later paraded as a victim;

the "local activist" in the center of the clash looking for any opportunity to speak to a camera about the apparent "torture" inside, and of course, the "private ambulance" medics trying to run proceedings -- whose company seems to have stopped operating in 2023.

I will say now that apart from some tear gas fired to ward off direct attempts to storm the building by force and some shots fired in the air, the reaction of the police and National Guard personnel was restrained, professional, and did not escalate to the level of the mob.

So, the context. Tension over forced mobilisation is indeed bubbling in Ukraine; ignoring or denying that is out of touch. It would be in any country going through what Ukraine is going through, if that country could even resist a Russian war long enough to reach this point.

The main reason is the failure of the state to look the mobilisation question in the eye, speak openly with society, and reform the process from start to finish. The vacuum left is what the military is filled ad-hoc with so-called "bussification" and holding points like this.

Mobilisation in Ukraine needs to be done better, mechanisms of proper military law and justice need to be enforced. Soldiers need more dignity when drafted, and more protection on the battlefield. But none of this changes how without mobilisation, Russia will soon win this war.

Also, individual anger at mobilisation when it affects oneself or one's loved ones -- exacerbated by grievances over corruption -- is not the same as a will for Ukraine to capitulate in the war or accept Russia's terms. On the level of society as a whole, that hasn't budged.

So lastly, the information space. All of this is music to Russia's ears, and whether or not the Kremlin played an active role in staging and stoking this clash, the traditional pro-Ukrainian surrender voices are already amplifying it like clockwork.

But even if it is a manufactured provocation, that doesn't mean that the tensions don't exist, the reforms aren't needed, and the state isn't responsible for where we are now. This could be a watershed moment in the national discussion, for better or for worse.

International reporting on these issues, while often well-intentioned, is often lacking in anywhere near enough of the nuance that this topic demands. If I can be of help, feel free to reach out.


https://x.com/justincbzz/status/2117521...
Russia has been using ukrainians to astroturf "protests" and "scandals" past few months, including traitors living abroad like Mendel. Recently we saw them trying to organize "protests" that failed so spectacularly not even 1000 people gathered. This is another such event which was orchestrated ahead of time and all the propaganda channels were ready to go amplifying it, with narratives copy pasted.

To tudi drži. Kar poglejte kaj so, tudi ko so bile podrobnosti že znane, širili naši najljubši nevtralneži z ˝drugačnim mnenjem˝ Mendel, Havryshko, Panchenko, Ragozin, Nawfal... Vsi v en rog, skupaj z rusko propagando.

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Goran10 ::

Vse v imenu miru in nevtralnosti. Na njihovo nevtralno žalost je zahodni medijski prostor odprt tako da so vedno na prepihu kritike posledično je njihov tržni delež vedno v nevarnosti da ga odpihne nekam v pozabo.

Pac-Man ::

Gospa reševalka ima makeup v piko in nohte zelo primerne za nudenje pomoči

https://www.unian.ua/incidents/valentin...


Malo spominja na

https://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-dis...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Windlass ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Gospa reševalka ima makeup v piko in nohte zelo primerne za nudenje pomoči

https://www.unian.ua/incidents/valentin...


Malo spominja na

https://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-dis...


Ne sej je bilo že ob prvih posnetkih čudno in bizarno. Še nisem srečal reševalca/reševalke, ki bi se tako obnašala, zganjala histerijo, klečala pred policajem. Poklicna deformacija je da so te ljudje hladni ko kumarce. Da ne omenjam, da jim raja dobesedno rine v kabino rešilca, kar se pač ne more dovolit.
Upam da gre sedet za to, ker najmanj kar je, je izdajanje za uradno osebo, tudi če pustimo vse implikacije tega kar so inscenirali.

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Leif ::

Koliko enega damage controla, ker v Ukrajini furajo postranske biznise z ugrabitvami in odkupninami. Tudi v Rusiji verjetno obstaja kaj podobnega, če vam bo kaj lažje.

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Windlass ::

Leif je izjavil:

Koliko enega damage controla, ker v Ukrajini furajo postranske biznise z ugrabitvami in odkupninami. Tudi v Rusiji verjetno obstaja kaj podobnega, če vam bo kaj lažje.


Bodi korekten od primera do primera. Konkretno v tem primeru je šlo za čisto normalne mobilizirance in par povratnikov dezerterjev, ki so rajši šli nazaj v vojsko kot v zapor. Upam da raziščejo kako so nastale tiste poškodbe. Uugibam da ob ne ravno nežnem prijetju dezerterjev. V vsakem primeru pa tako nastane super video ˝busifikacije˝.

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Zcall ::

Ne moreš resno misliti, da je tisto "pojasnilo" zgoraj karkoli pojasnilo ali ovrglo sume?

Če to misliš, potem si bolj opran kot Z internetni bojevniki.

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Windlass ::

Zcall je izjavil:

Ne moreš resno misliti, da je tisto "pojasnilo" zgoraj karkoli pojasnilo ali ovrglo sume?

Če to misliš, potem si bolj opran kot Z internetni bojevniki.


Če si se že odločil ˝sumiti˝, da so imeli tam mučilnico 14-letnikov, potem ti tako ali tako noben dokaz ne bo pomagal. Provokacija in propaganda sta zate svoje že opravili, vendar v tvojem primeru to ni nič novega. Razen če te moram še enkrat opomniti kako si hlastal za poskusom diskreditacije Buče z nekim pamfletom. Take akcije so namenjene točno ljudem kot si ti.

Glede na vse kar je javno dostopno (organizarna provokacija, lažna reševalka (ki ima resume pro-ruskega aktivizma), 14-letnik (ki je najprej nasilno demonstriral, nato pa cepnil za ogrado), pričanje odgovornih, novinarjev in mobilizirancev... se tam ni dogajalo nič kar ni že tako ali tako širši družbeni diskurz v Ukrajini. Reformo rabijo za večje zaupanje ljudi, to je 1 x 1. Naj pa seveda preiščejo, če je kdo zlorabil položaj, uporabil prekomerno silo.. itd.

Zcall ::

Tole recimo je ista katastrofa

The process of carrying out mobilisation and then dividing draftees among units is a challenging logistical operation, and such transition-holding locations are common solutions when the pieces of the puzzle do not quite line up.

Zelo nepotreben uvod, ki se sliši kot "on god, they did nothing wrong"

Unfortunately, this leg of the draftee's journey exists in a legal grey area, and, depending on the unit and the individuals in charge, can be the site of abuse. This is what was initially alleged here, sparking the call of the "private ambulance," and then the gathering crowd.

Glej zgoraj

When I got there, about 100 people were outside, yelling at the policemen and National Guardsmen guarding the house. Mostly younger men, some women and teens, and two workers of this "private ambulance" and their vehicle.

Od kje 100 ljudi? Kako dobiš 100+ ljudi v parih urah za protest, če si nobody? Čemu so zares protestirali?

Every time there was an attempt at dialogue, things escalated, in what felt like a very artificial way. Eggs were thrown, then flares, water bottles, at law enforcement and the soldiers.

Če bi bil človek kdaj na protestu bi vedel, da kolektivna identiteta ni ravno pripravljena na dialog. Še posebno razjarjena ne.

What stood out to me was how there were certain main characters of the story, as if they had clear roles to play. The few men in civilian clothes attacking and provoking; the teen in a gas mask who climbed the fence, started throwing bricks, and was later paraded as a victim;

"on god it was staged" - to je tudi edini argument. Razen tega, da imajo ljudje ponavadi vloge, da.

the "local activist" in the center of the clash looking for any opportunity to speak to a camera about the apparent "torture" inside, and of course, the "private ambulance" medics trying to run proceedings -- whose company seems to have stopped operating in 2023.

No shit, da želijo protestniki javno objaviti svojo zgodbo.

I will say now that apart from some tear gas fired to ward off direct attempts to storm the building by force and some shots fired in the air, the reaction of the police and National Guard personnel was restrained, professional, and did not escalate to the level of the mob.

WHY THE FUCK Ukrajinci mečejo solzivec na protestnike? A ni to nekaj kar je rezervirano za hujše izgrede?
Streljanje nikakor ni restrained.


So, the context. Tension over forced mobilisation is indeed bubbling in Ukraine; ignoring or denying that is out of touch. It would be in any country going through what Ukraine is going through, if that country could even resist a Russian war long enough to reach this point.

True

The main reason is the failure of the state to look the mobilisation question in the eye, speak openly with society, and reform the process from start to finish. The vacuum left is what the military is filled ad-hoc with so-called "bussification" and holding points like this.

Spet "on god" izjava. Vsi vemo zakaj Ukrajina ne more drugače. Ker ne gre.

Also, individual anger at mobilisation when it affects oneself or one's loved ones -- exacerbated by grievances over corruption -- is not the same as a will for Ukraine to capitulate in the war or accept Russia's terms. On the level of society as a whole, that hasn't budged.

"on god".
Kar je. Ker če ljudje nočejo v vojsko ... kako bo potem vojska?

So lastly, the information space. All of this is music to Russia's ears, and whether or not the Kremlin played an active role in staging and stoking this clash, the traditional pro-Ukrainian surrender voices are already amplifying it like clockwork.

A so Rusi ali sploh kdorkoli povzeli to zgodbo? Se mi zdi, da ni nihče nekaj ful poročal o dogodku

Recimo. Niso pojasnjeni ne otrok, ne jezna množica, ne to kaj se je dogajalo, ne poškodbe.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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Windlass ::

In zakaj si ne greš prebrat kaj se je zgodilo in namesto tega rajši vzdihuješ ˝oh, god˝, kot porno-zvezdnica in se nekaj spakuješ zraven?

Morda tako zelo nočeš razlage, da tokrat celo AI nočeš vprašat zdaj ko ima boljše vire za zgodbo sestavit?

Che25 ::

Poklon norveški, danski, švedski in češki hokejski reprezentanci za odločitev, da na prihajajočem svetovnem prvenstvu ne bodo igrale proti Rusom.

https://www.reuters.com/sports/ice-hock...

Leif ::

Poklon bi bil če bi jih nabunkali 10:0, tko zgleda da jih cvikajo

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Stane2 ::

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/21...

The woman who was the first to arrive by ambulance at a house in Petropavlivska Borshahivka has been detained, -- Budanov.

This woman, dressed in a medical uniform and having previously purchased an ambulance, conducted reconnaissance of the site with the driver at least three days earlier.

gozdar1 ::

Rusi vržejo bombo in ubijejo par deset civilov, tužecel dan debata o nekih protetsih,..dobro znajo ruski boti preusmerjat pozornost. Če bi bilasituacija obratna,bi šeen mewe brali o grozni krivici,ki se je zgodila rusom

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Stane2 ::

https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/211767...
1/ Russian regions are drastically reducing, or even eliminating, the benefits paid to a soldier's family in the event of his death. Russian warbloggers are outraged that families will no longer get 'coffin money', just coffins. "The treasury is empty, my lord," one comments. ?

shmandi ::

putleroljubci odpirajo šampanjce (verjetno vodko)

Russia dropped 9 glide bombs on a school where people were getting aid. Even the school shelter seven meters underground collapsed. More than 33 dead, many missing
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen...

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Windlass ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Rusi vržejo bombo in ubijejo par deset civilov, tužecel dan debata o nekih protetsih,..dobro znajo ruski boti preusmerjat pozornost. Če bi bilasituacija obratna,bi šeen mewe brali o grozni krivici,ki se je zgodila rusom


Dobra stran je da nismo leta 2014 in se te psyope takoj secira in razčisti. V nasprotnem primeru dobiš ˝ukrajinske naciste˝, ˝križanega dečka˝, ˝alejo angelov˝ in ˝žive zažgane v Odesi˝ za naslednjih 12 let.

windigo ::

Windlass je izjavil:

Bodi korekten od primera do primera. Konkretno v tem primeru je šlo za čisto normalne mobilizirance in par povratnikov dezerterjev, ki so rajši šli nazaj v vojsko kot v zapor. Upam da raziščejo kako so nastale tiste poškodbe. Uugibam da ob ne ravno nežnem prijetju dezerterjev. V vsakem primeru pa tako nastane super video ˝busifikacije˝.

Zakaj so bili ti ljudje zaprti v neki zasebni hiši v predmestju, zakaj so bili skoraj vsi pretepeni, poškodovani, polomljeni in ranjeni in brez zdravniške oskrbe? Saj to so dejstva, ali se morda tudi o tem ne strinjaš?

Ko bomo imeli jasne odgovore na to, pa lahko zaradi mene tudi ugotvaljaš, s kakšnimi "sebičnimi" motivi je skušal to dogajanje nekdo preprečiti in zakaj si zato zasluži, da se ga zato zapre ali pa celo izgine.
Truth is not negotiable!

chipotle ::

Russia’s war against Ukraine : Russia’s future military development

vir: Finnish National Defense University

TL:DR na vsakega mrtvega Rusa gre 10 hoholov v podzemni gulag

yikes ;((

Windlass ::

windigo je izjavil:

Windlass je izjavil:

Bodi korekten od primera do primera. Konkretno v tem primeru je šlo za čisto normalne mobilizirance in par povratnikov dezerterjev, ki so rajši šli nazaj v vojsko kot v zapor. Upam da raziščejo kako so nastale tiste poškodbe. Uugibam da ob ne ravno nežnem prijetju dezerterjev. V vsakem primeru pa tako nastane super video ˝busifikacije˝.

Zakaj so bili ti ljudje zaprti v neki zasebni hiši v predmestju, zakaj so bili skoraj vsi pretepeni, poškodovani, polomljeni in ranjeni in brez zdravniške oskrbe? Saj to so dejstva, ali se morda tudi o tem ne strinjaš?

Ko bomo imeli jasne odgovore na to, pa lahko zaradi mene tudi ugotvaljaš, s kakšnimi "sebičnimi" motivi je skušal to dogajanje nekdo preprečiti in zakaj si zato zasluži, da se ga zato zapre ali pa celo izgine.


WTF, ne, nestrinjam se. A si lahko greš prebrat osnovne stvari o dogodku preden zapadeš v pravičniški bes nad dejstvom da je (zdaj že dokazano) v naprej planiran psyop gospe ˝reševalke˝ padel v vodo? Gospa si je absolutno prislužila kriminalistično obravnavo s temle, pa če ti diši ali ne.

Kje si pobral to neumnost da naj bi bili skoraj vsi polomljeni/pretepeni? 4 (od 26ih v stavbi) so bili obravnavani pri zdravniku, od tega 2 povratnika in 2 nova mobiliziranca. Kako je do poškodb?/bolezni? prišlo pa še ne vemo in se še preiskuje.

Zakaj so bili mobilizirani vojaki tam? Ker so uradne kasarne logično tarča raketnih/dronskih napadov in stavbe kot je bila ta služijo kot incognito vmesne nastanitve mobilizirancev.

Mater ste penasti, a vložil ne bi noben niti 5 minut in si prebral 2 vrstici o dogodku.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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gozdar1 ::

chipotle je izjavil:

Russia’s war against Ukraine : Russia’s future military development

vir: Finnish National Defense University

TL:DR na vsakega mrtvega Rusa gre 10 hoholov v podzemni gulag

yikes ;((


Poyabil si šteti neruse, ki jih rusi uporabljajo za topovsko hrano. Besedo hoho, drugačeuporabljajo ruski nacisti.
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