Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

shmandi je 3. jan 2025 ob 20:13:29 izjavil:

Verjetno se bo spet kdo spotaknil na okenski polici...
https://siol.net/novice/digisvet/v-rusi...

Zanimivo, da so priznali, da so zadaj glede na western tech.

shmandi je 3. jan 2025 ob 20:13:29 izjavil:

Verjetno se bo spet kdo spotaknil na okenski polici...
https://siol.net/novice/digisvet/v-rusi...

meni se zdi, da se putler sploh ne zaveda, da je ruska tehnologija 30 let za zahodno. Ne dojame ali pa si ne upa priznati.

Vučić ima "prorusko" usmerjene "lojaliste", ki so ga pripravljeni braniti do smrti.

https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/vuci...

In potem se sprašujejo, zakaj živijo v greznici.

ZH
The key to this is the US offering Russia a decent deal in Ukraine with lucrative sanctions-waived energy and tech opportunities that would incentivize Russia into informally agreeing to deprive China of decades-long access to ultra-cheap resources...

Problem za US, če bo CN prišla do dolgoročne oskrbe s poceni plinom.

Ponavadi našteva, kdo je prejšnji dan zasedel katero njivo, danes je pa zanimivo:

Pravi razlog je seveda geopoliticni in ekonomski vpliv na cimvec drzav, nekaj k cemur stremijo vse velesile. Tu pa je Rusija izgubila Ukrajino ze 2014, NATO gor ali dol, njim je trn v peti ze ekonomsko sodelovanje z EU.

Zdaj so pac probali z vojno dobiti nazaj ta vpliv, rezultat bo je da so sicer pridobili direkten vpliv nad dodatnih 10% teriotija Ukrajine napravm pred zacetkom vojne. Ampak v zameno pa so in bodo konkretno izgubili indirekten vpliv. In to ne samo v Ukrajini, zdaj se Sirija in se kje ker izgubljajo vpliv kot posledica vojne.

Kitjaci so že rekli, da samo do določenega procenta. Torej ne odvisnosti od ruskega plina.

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:04:45 izjavil:

saj v resnici tudi EU ni bila odvisna od ruskega plina, to je najbolj očitno že zato, ker plina ni zmanjkalo, ko smo nehali kupovati od Rusov. Zame odvisnost od ameriškega LNG-ja ni strateško nič manj neugodna... če mislite prodajati buče, da je poceni plin nekako slab in da imamo raje dražjega, je to seveda traparija.

Zmanjkalo ga ni, ker smo ga nakopičili. Kako poceni je ruski plin pa vidimo zdaj, ko mečemo milijarde v Ukrajino, da jih ne pregazijo. Tudi to prištej ceni poceni ruskega plina.

Američani so nas v zadnjih 100 letih že dvakrat vlekli iz dreka. Zdaj nas tretjič. Če na račun tega zalužijo, ni nič narobe.

Comandante je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:13:52 izjavil:

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:04:45 izjavil:

saj v resnici tudi EU ni bila odvisna od ruskega plina, to je najbolj očitno že zato, ker plina ni zmanjkalo, ko smo nehali kupovati od Rusov. Zame odvisnost od ameriškega LNG-ja ni strateško nič manj neugodna... če mislite prodajati buče, da je poceni plin nekako slab in da imamo raje dražjega, je to seveda traparija.

Zmanjkalo ga ni, ker smo ga nakopičili. Kako poceni je ruski plin pa vidimo zdaj, ko mečemo milijarde v Ukrajino, da jih ne pregazijo. Tudi to prištej ceni poceni ruskega plina.

Američani so nas v zadnjih 100 letih že dvakrat vlekli iz dreka. Zdaj nas tretjič. Če na račun tega zalužijo, ni nič narobe.

Hehe, ta je dobra... ja res ni nič narobe, naj vsaj malo zaslužijo, da si poplačajo neizmerno dobroto in nesebično razdajanje za dobrobit drugih...

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

To je članek, ki je bil objavljen 15.9. ob 0:37??? Nanaša se na poročanje o volitvah o Venezueli. Nikjer ni nobenega linka na dejansko poročilo, prav tako nisem našel nikjer nobene podobne objave. Vse to, poleg očitnega (domovina.je press, hehe) očitno smrdi po zavajanju in natančno takem poročanju, kot naj bi ga varuh kritiziral...

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 19:13:13 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

To je članek, ki je bil objavljen 15.9. ob 0:37??? Nanaša se na poročanje o volitvah o Venezueli. Nikjer ni nobenega linka na dejansko poročilo, prav tako nisem našel nikjer nobene podobne objave. Vse to, poleg očitnega (domovina.je press, hehe) očitno smrdi po zavajanju in natančno takem poročanju, kot naj bi ga varuh kritiziral...

Evo ti link: https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/s-in-j-ameri...

In ja ... ne rabiš jo braniti ali lagati, vsi vemo kakšne članke piše o rusiji in zahodu ... Če tega ne vidiš, potem ni čudno zakaj podpiraš rusko klanje po ukrajini.

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 19:58:11 izjavil:

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 19:13:13 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

To je članek, ki je bil objavljen 15.9. ob 0:37??? Nanaša se na poročanje o volitvah o Venezueli. Nikjer ni nobenega linka na dejansko poročilo, prav tako nisem našel nikjer nobene podobne objave. Vse to, poleg očitnega (domovina.je press, hehe) očitno smrdi po zavajanju in natančno takem poročanju, kot naj bi ga varuh kritiziral...

Evo ti link: https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/s-in-j-ameri...

In ja ... ne rabiš jo braniti ali lagati, vsi vemo kakšne članke piše o rusiji in zahodu ... Če tega ne vidiš, potem ni čudno zakaj podpiraš rusko klanje po ukrajini.

dal si link na originalni članek novinarke, ne pa na poročilo varuhinje pravic gledalcev RTVSLO o tem članku. Originalni članek je eden redkih primerov poskusa dejanskega poročanja o zadevi, ne pa samo povzemanja agencijskih novic, ki so seveda na liniji z US uradnimi stališči... jaz ne morem soditi, ali članku morda kaj manjka ali ne, vsekakor pa ne vsebuje nič več zavajanja kot večina novic, ki so na "liniji"... kvečjemu je poskus pogledati malo globlje v problematiko in to je vedno dobrodošlo. Ker boš zdaj začel filozofirati o originalnem članku, kar je seveda še bolj off-topic kot tvoja prvotna referenca na poročilo varuhinje, se odpovedujem nadaljnji debati na to temo, saj v resnici samo trolaš.

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 20:07:12 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 19:58:11 izjavil:

Unilseptij je 4. jan 2025 ob 19:13:13 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

To je članek, ki je bil objavljen 15.9. ob 0:37??? Nanaša se na poročanje o volitvah o Venezueli. Nikjer ni nobenega linka na dejansko poročilo, prav tako nisem našel nikjer nobene podobne objave. Vse to, poleg očitnega (domovina.je press, hehe) očitno smrdi po zavajanju in natančno takem poročanju, kot naj bi ga varuh kritiziral...

Evo ti link: https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/s-in-j-ameri...

In ja ... ne rabiš jo braniti ali lagati, vsi vemo kakšne članke piše o rusiji in zahodu ... Če tega ne vidiš, potem ni čudno zakaj podpiraš rusko klanje po ukrajini.

dal si link na originalni članek novinarke, ne pa na poročilo varuhinje pravic gledalcev RTVSLO o tem članku. Originalni članek je eden redkih primerov poskusa dejanskega poročanja o zadevi, ne pa samo povzemanja agencijskih novic, ki so seveda na liniji z US uradnimi stališči... jaz ne morem soditi, ali članku morda kaj manjka ali ne, vsekakor pa ne vsebuje nič več zavajanja kot večina novic, ki so na "liniji"... kvečjemu je poskus pogledati malo globlje v problematiko in to je vedno dobrodošlo. Ker boš zdaj začel filozofirati o originalnem članku, kar je seveda še bolj off-topic kot tvoja prvotna referenca na poročilo varuhinje, se odpovedujem nadaljnji debati na to temo, saj v resnici samo trolaš.

Rusofili ste povsem brez moralnega kompasa, lažete, zavajate in ste pripavljeni požreti vse sranje za svojo agendo. Žalostno res.

Z zamolčanjem teh dejstev, pomembnih za celovito razumevanje dogajanja v Venezueli, je avtorica kršila:
- 5. člen Zakona o RTVS, ki navaja, da »Novinarke in novinarji, urednice in uredniki RTV Slovenija in drugi, ki so neposredno udeleženi pri ustvarjanju ali pripravijanju RTV programov, morajo pri sojem delu se posebej: spoštoovati načelo resničnosti, nepristranskosti in celovitosti informaci; / .../«
Programske standarde v točki, ki programske ustvarjalke in ustvarjalce RTV Slovenija zavezuje, da spostujejo: »natančnost, nepristranskost, celovitost, postenost in jezikovna dovrsenost v sporocanju dejstev, spostovanje zanrov ter izogibanje senzacionalizmu«.
Poklicna merila in nacela novinarske etike v programih RTV Slovenija v tocki 1.2
Nepristranskost v delu, ki navaja: »Nepristranskost je temelina vrednota v vseh programih RTV Slovenija, ki ji je kot javnemu zavodu zaupano poslanstvo objektivnega obvescanja
javnosti. Sporočilo ne sme zavajati poslusalcev in gledalcev. /.../ Uravnoteieno je treba
sporocati ali predstavijati bistvena dejsta in stalisca ter ohranjati nepristransko in etino
razmerje do vseh oseb, ustanov, tem in dogodkov.«
-Poklicna merila in nacela novinarske etike v programih RTV Slovenija v tocki 1.8 pravinost v delu, ki navaja: »Nobeno porocilo ali programska vsebina nista postena, ce:
a. ne vsebujeta vseh poglavitnih dejstev;
b. vsebujeta nepomembne podatke na raun najpomembnejsih dejstev;
c. nevede ali vede zavajata gledalce in poslusalce; /.../.«
Avtorica je navedene programske standarde in poklicna merila krsila tudis poudarkom: »vecina voditeljev, ki so ostro kritizirali izid venezuelskih volitev, je tudi neomajnih podpornikov Izraela«. Navedba je netona in zavajajoca,…”
Stran 35 v poročilu
https://img.rtvslo.si/_files/2024/09/16...

Evo, še malo materiala on-topic, da se lahko prerekamo naprej o tem, kaj so vzroki in kaj posledice:

"SECRETARY BLINKEN: So first, if you look at the trajectory of the conflict, because we saw it coming, we were able to make sure that not only were we prepared, and allies and partners were prepared, but that Ukraine was prepared. We made sure that well before the Russian aggression happened, starting in September - the Russian aggression happened in February. Starting in September and then again in December, we quietly got a lot of weapons to Ukraine to make sure that they had in hand what they needed to defended themselves - things like Stingers, Javelins that they could use that were instrumental in preventing Russia from taking Kyiv, from rolling over the country, erasing it from the map, and indeed pushing the Russians back."

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-...

vsebinsko je navedla samo to, kar sem napisal... če trdiš drugače, prosim navedi, kje v poroćilu je še kakšna druga izpostavljena konkretna kršitev, ki jo je našla in potrdila varuhinja.

BorutO je 5. jan 2025 ob 01:37:58 izjavil:

Ganon je 4. jan 2025 ob 22:18:00 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

Odvratno ženšče. Kako ima lahko še KJERKOLI službo novinarke, verjetno ni jasno nikomur z zdravo pametjo.

Saj ni samo to ... sem se že čudil pred časom, ko je oni makaronar (ali kaj je že bil s tistim priimkom) ubil direktorja zavarovalnice, in je pisala takšen čuden članek, da sem moral komentirati, vendar mi seveda niso objavili komentarja ... sem pa našel isto članek o njej na to temo ... Malo offtopic, amapk da vsi vemo pri čem smo, ko beremo to Kajo Sajovic na portalu MMCja ... https://domovina.je/sprevrzena-manipula...

Torej trolamo naprej, vse bolj off-topic... pa naj bo. Iz wikipedie (Killing of Brian Thompson @ Wikipedia ):

An Emerson College poll surveyed 1,000 American registered voters between December 11 and 13 and found that a majority (68%) of voters view the actions of the suspected killer as unacceptable. Among young voters aged 18–29, 41% found the killing "acceptable or somewhat acceptable", while 40% in the same age group did not, making it the only age group where those who found the actions acceptable outnumbered those who did not.[183][21]

NORC at the University of Chicago conducted a poll of 1,001 American adults between December 12 to 16. A majority of respondents said they had read or heard about Thompson's death. When asked about the factors contributing to Thompson's death, 78 percent of respondents said the killer had either a "great deal" (63%) or a "moderate amount" (15%) of responsibility, while 20% said the killer had "only a little" (9%) or "none at all" (11%). 69% of respondents said denials for health care coverage by health insurance companies had either a "great deal" (44%) or a "moderate amount" (24%) of responsibility, while 67% said profits made by health insurance companies had either a "great deal" (43%) or a "moderate amount" (25%) of responsibility. 53 percent of respondents also said wealth or income inequality in general had at least a moderate amount of responsibility. Young Americans were the least likely age group to say that the killer is responsible, with only 4 in 10 respondents in the 18-29 age group saying so, compared to 8 in 10 respondents over 60. Young Americans were also "especially likely" to say that Thompson's death was a result of multiple factors, including coverage denials and profits by health insurance companies.[23][184]

An Economist/YouGov poll conducted from December 15 to 17 surveying 1,553 U.S. adult citizens found that 43% of American citizens had a "somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable" view of Mangione, while 21% had a "somewhat favorable or very favorable view of him." 37% were unsure. Mangione received the most support from citizens aged 18–29, who viewed him favorably by a 39%–29% margin, and "very liberal" citizens, who viewed him favorably by a 47%–31% margin. Mangione was viewed least favorably by citizens aged 65 and older (65%–5% unfavorable) and "very conservative" citizens (62%–8% unfavorable).[22]

A December 12, 2024, online poll of 1,000 registered voters in the US taken by conservative Republican pollster Scott Rasmussen/RMG Research, Inc. found that 53% of respondents view the killer as a "villain", while 10% view the killer as a "hero", 22% said neither label applies, and 15% said they were unsure. 71% of voters said murder is "never justifiable", while 13% said it is justifiable to murder someone like Thompson as a means to bring about important societal change; 16% were unsure. The poll found that younger voters, Progressive Democrats, "people who talk politics every day", and those with a postgraduate degree were "more likely than others to say that such murder is sometimes justifiable".[185]

The Center for Strategic Politics ran an online poll with 455 American adults on December 11 and found that "61% of respondents said they have a strong or somewhat negative perception of Mangione", 19% had a positive or somewhat positive view, and 21% did not know. Opinions on Mangione vary "dramatically" by age, with respondents under 45 holding a more positive view of him than those over 45. Additionally, they indicated that men were more likely to support Mangione than women, and Black and Hispanic respondents were more likely to support him than White respondents.[186] The poll also found that young Americans view Mangione "far more favorably" than they viewed Thompson and UnitedHealthcare.[187][188]

A poll of 6,000 U.S. adults was conducted by CloudResearch on December 19, utilizing AI. The poll found that 27% of respondents were sympathetic to Mangione, with 12% supporting the murder. Support for the murder was higher among those under 30 and the political left. Among those who supported it, AI analysis showed that 80% did so because of "systemic injustices" and 30% because they related to his situation.[189]

Ganon je 4. jan 2025 ob 22:18:00 izjavil:

BorutO je 4. jan 2025 ob 16:54:53 izjavil:

Evo, "našo" Kajo Sajovic ... Še drugi vidijo kam pes taco moli ...
https://domovina.je/razkrivamo-blamazo-...

Odvratno ženšče. Kako ima lahko še KJERKOLI službo novinarke, verjetno ni jasno nikomur z zdravo pametjo.

Novinarke Putinova propagandistka. Naj me vrag vzame, če ta ne dobiva rubljev za svoje laži, s katerimi posiljuje ljudi na rtvslo.

https://n1info.si/novice/svet/blinken-p...

Unilseptij je 5. jan 2025 ob 00:26:46 izjavil:

Evo, še malo materiala on-topic, da se lahko prerekamo naprej o tem, kaj so vzroki in kaj posledice:

"SECRETARY BLINKEN: So first, if you look at the trajectory of the conflict, because we saw it coming, we were able to make sure that not only were we prepared, and allies and partners were prepared, but that Ukraine was prepared. We made sure that well before the Russian aggression happened, starting in September - the Russian aggression happened in February. Starting in September and then again in December, we quietly got a lot of weapons to Ukraine to make sure that they had in hand what they needed to defended themselves - things like Stingers, Javelins that they could use that were instrumental in preventing Russia from taking Kyiv, from rolling over the country, erasing it from the map, and indeed pushing the Russians back."

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-...

Ne vem, kaj tukaj namiguješ ... da je suverena država prosila za vojaško pomoč ali pa pač zgolj kupila orožje v obliki ročnih protioklepnih in protiletalskih raket? Ali je to sedaj mogoče že nova pr akcija s strani Rusije, da Ukrajina poleg NATO članstva ne sme imeti še svoje vojske?

Mimogrede, ZDA in UK so bile s sporazumem zavezane, da garantirajo varnost Ukrajine -- s podpisom Rusije. To se je vsa leta od podpisa materializiralo prek dobav specifičnega orožja in tudi skupnemu urjenju. Ampak zaradi vmešavanja drugih interesov (recimo Trump) oz. drugih razlogov, je bilo te pomoči relativno malo.

pa je le lepo, da imamo tudi možnost slišati in brati alternativne poglede... saj v resnici nočemo popolnega enoumja in edine pravoverne linije v čisto vseh medijih in diskusijah.... svoboda govora in mišljenja pa to, saj se še malo spomnite, kaj to je, upam.

Unilseptij je 5. jan 2025 ob 12:25:31 izjavil:

pa je le lepo, da imamo tudi možnost slišati in brati alternativne poglede... saj v resnici nočemo popolnega enoumja in edine pravoverne linije v čisto vseh medijih in diskusijah.... svoboda govora in mišljenja pa to, saj se še malo spomnite, kaj to je, upam.

Enoumje poznajo samo v Mockbi, ne poznajo pa svobode govora. Dobiš za prazen list 8 let zapora, ali pa padeš skozi okno. Kot zagovornik tega režima si lahko samo tiho. Ne bluzi o svobodi govora in enoumju, ker izpadeš kot popoln bedak.

RT pravi, da se je tudi že končala :

Russian forces have successfully repelled a Ukrainian counterattack while advancing in Kursk Region, the country's Defense Ministry has said.
Ukraine launched the assault with the goal of "stopping the advance of Russian troops" in Kursk Region, the Defense Ministry said in a statement on Sunday.
They struck at around 9am local time; the measure involved two tanks, a mine clearing vehicle and 12 armored combat vehicles carrying assault troops, according to the ministry.
The operation was directed at the hamlet of Berdin, located to the north-east of the town of Sudzha, the statement read.
The Russian artillery and air force "have delivered defeat to the assault group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces," it said.
Kiev lost two tanks, a mine clearing unit and seven armored combat vehicles in the failed attack, the military said. "The operation to destroy the Ukrainian units continues," it added.

Over the past 24 hours, Kiev has lost up to 340 servicemen, four tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, four armored personnel carriers and 12 armored combat vehicles in the fighting in Russia's Kursk Region, the statement read.

Ukraine attacked Kursk Region on August 6 in the largest incursion into internationally recognized Russian territory since the Second World War. The area under the control of Kiev's forces, however, has steadily been shrinking since then, with the pace of the Russian advance accelerating in recent weeks.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, Kiev's total losses in the five months since the launch of its incursion have reached over 49,000 servicemen, 273 tanks, 209 infantry fighting vehicles, 153 armored personnel carriers, and hundreds of other pieces of equipment, including 13 US-supplied HIMARS multiple rocket launchers.

Unilseptij je 5. jan 2025 ob 12:25:31 izjavil:

pa je le lepo, da imamo tudi možnost slišati in brati alternativne poglede... saj v resnici nočemo popolnega enoumja in edine pravoverne linije v čisto vseh medijih in diskusijah.... svoboda govora in mišljenja pa to, saj se še malo spomnite, kaj to je, upam.

Nevem zakaj podpiraš Rusijo kjer vlada popolno enoumje?

Jaz upam, da Ukrajina obdrži ozemlje, ki ga ima v kursku.