Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

BorutO je 2. sep 2024 ob 06:36 izjavil:

On ne podpira rusije, mu je pa ok, da rusi počnejo to, za kar kritizira na veliko zahod. Ko pa treba kritizirati rusijo, pa rusofili ne znajo nič drugega odgovoriti kot to, da to zahod počne.

Rusijo kritizirate dovolj ze vi in si zatiskate oci da je na zahodu vse ok. Zal ni, vidim da rabite malo spodbude za razmisljanje.
Slednje pa ne pomeni, da podpiram kar rusija trenutno pocne.

Slednje pa ne pomeni, da podpiram kar rusija trenutno pocne.

Zakaj bi pa bilo treba kritzirat Rusijo, ce pocne iste stvari kot pocne Zahod ... za Zahod pa so te stvari popolnoma sprejemljive?

borut_p je 2. sep 2024 ob 06:49 izjavil:

Zakaj bi pa bilo treba kritzirat Rusijo, ce pocne iste stvari kot pocne Zahod ...

Neo nazi music project "Russkiy Styag" playing a gig for Russian paratroopers from 106th VDV unit "Moscow". That's not even Wagner or some other private militia, that's regular Russian army. Let that sink in. Gonna be writing bigger piece about these "lovely" people soon.

A neo-Nazi band with lyrics about “white power” and “Aryan destiny” shot a music video at a Russian army base, featuring masked soldiers from a unit of soldiers drawn from the far-right hooligan scene.

The incident underlines overt right-wing extremist sentiment within sections of the Russian military, further exposing the hypocrisy of the Kremlin’s propaganda claims about “de-Nazifying” Ukraine. It’s also shone a spotlight on the 106th Airborne Reconnaissance Detachment “Moscow,” a Russian army unit based in the city of Tula, south of Moscow, which is distinctive for recruiting members specifically from the football hooligan and ultranationalist movements – themselves hotbeds of radical right-wing ideology.

The band, Russkiy Styag, which translates as Russian Banner, released the video for its track “We” to its social media channels last month, with a statement that it was “filmed with the support of the commanders and fighters of the ‘Moscow’ [unit] of the 106th Airborne Division.”

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The music video appears to have been shot during a visit by Russkiy Styag to the “Moscow” unit’s base in March, which a spokesperson for the unit, Dmitry Rumyantsev, confirmed to VICE News had taken place.

In an email exchange, Rumyantsev – who appears in photos on the unit’s social media wearing T-shirts featuring the logos of neo-Nazi bands like Skrewdriver – said that Russkiy Styag had visited during an “open day” at which “anyone could come and support the unit.”

As for whether it was appropriate to be linked to Russkiy Styag, given its associations with neo-Nazism, Rumyantsev said he saw no issues.

“We are not interested in who you associate Russian Banner with, we proceed from the legislation of the Russian Federation,” he said. “The Russian Banner band is not banned in Russia.”

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Rumyantsev also said he saw no problem with himself publicly wearing neo-Nazi band apparel on social media. Alongside the pictures of Rumyantsev wearing a Skrewdriver T-shirt, VICE News found he had also shared posts calling for the release of Robert Rundo, an American neo-Nazi recently arrested in Romania while on the run from US authorities, or featuring the “sonnenrad,” a common neo-Nazi symbol.

“Russia is a free country, every person has the right to wear whatever he wants, if it does not contradict the laws,” said Rumyantsev, who is a prominent figure in the Moscow football hooligan scene, according to antifascist researchers spoken to by VICE News.

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In response to emailed questions from VICE News about the performance for the 106th’s “Moscow” unit and the band’s ideology, Russkiy Styag replied with a conspiracy-addled diatribe against the “left-wing neo-Marxists from transnational corporations who have usurped power in America and Europe,” railing against them for promoting causes like Black Lives Matter and LGBTQ rights, and having “terrorised the planet” with COVID-19.

“Their goal is to unleash a bloody war on the European continent,” read the email, adding that this “neo-Marxist” enemy was committed to the “destruction of mankind.”

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The Ultra Hooligan founder of the CSKA Red Blue Warriors, a violent Neo Nazi killer named Maxim Eremin who rose to become a powerful Colonel in the FSB & the Head of the FSB Counter-Terrorism Department was most likely poisoned, choked to death in a Moscow restaurant this week

Eremin started as KGB & began his career as a Black Ops assassin in Chechnya in 94. He also helped run Neo Nazi informants in Russia & Ukraine. He was a huge supporter of the Neo Nazi battalion "106" recon group"

People are more familiar with Espanola, but 106 Moskva is just as popular recruiting Russian Nazi Ultras

The "106" is deeply entrenched in the MMA scene as well, promoting the war, pushing Kremlin propaganda & trying to build recruitment by sponsoring everything from Youth camps & fundraisers, trying to capitalize on the huge resurgence of the far right & anti-minority violence

The "106" is famous for"denazifying"...I guess

Oh...now I get it...."Denazifying"....Putin is so clever

Espanola, Espaniola (Spanish: Española) is a Russian military formation created from radical fans of football clubs, including CSKA, Spartak, Torpedo, Zenit, Lokomotiv, Orel and other teams.[1][2][3] The detachment commander is a representative of the Red-Blue Warriors group Stanislav Orlov, call sign “Испанец” (Spaniard).[1][4]

At the beginning of its existence, the formation existed under the Vostok battalion of the self-proclaimed DPR. Currently, the battalion is controlled by the PMC "Redut".[5]

Some of the members of the battalion espouse right wing to far right views.[5][6]

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In June 2024, American expat influencer “Teddy Boy Greg” joined the unit.

MadMen je 2. sep 2024 ob 09:47 izjavil:

Malo bučke prodajaš. Ne gre za proxy vojno, saj ne v klasičnem smislu kot naprimer poteka vojna med Iranom in Izraelom. Ukrajina se je sama odločila da se bo uprla okupatorju in sama določa kaj je pripravljena žrtvovati. Zahod iz človeških in geopolitičnih razlogov pač pomaga pri tem...

TESKAn je 2. sep 2024 ob 10:25 izjavil:

JanBrezov je 2. sep 2024 ob 09:40 izjavil:

A zahod pomaga Ukrajini z orožjem. Na nek način to je proxy vojna zahod/ZDA proti rusiji, saj rusija je sovražnik vsaj ZDA, če ne kar zahoda. Ni treba, da smo z rusi v vojni na nivoju svetovne vojne, da premagamo ruse. Meni je vse to čisto ok. Seveda ukrajinci nastradajo. Želim, da nastradajo čim manj.

Če sprejmeš to premiso, potem moraš na stran rusije dat vse, ki jim pomagajo - najmanj iran z shahed droni in severna koreja z balističnimi raketami.

Kot je en pred mano napisal, se Ukrajina brez zahoda te vojne ne more iti.

Tudi rusija se ne bi mogla brez pomoči irana in SK.

Unilseptij je 2. sep 2024 ob 10:03 izjavil:

Hehe, takege štosa pa že dolgo ne... Ukrajina je vmes tudi formalno bankrotirala, ker ni mogla poplačati EUROobveznic, torej posojil, ki jim jih je dala EU. Za to, da lahko sam odločaš o svoji usodi, moraš imeti ustrezne kapacitete in zmogljivosti. Ukrajina je popolnoma odvisna od zahoda in samo zahod določa njeno politiko in vojaško strategijo. Tudi če to morda ni bilo čisto jasno na začetku vojne, zdaj o tem ni nobenega dvoma.

JanBrezov je 2. sep 2024 ob 09:40 izjavil:

TESKAn je 2. sep 2024 ob 09:22 izjavil:

Zahod je napadel ukrajino? Nova finta, so prišla navodila iz kremlja? Če bi jo, bi bila okupirana in je rusi ne bi upali pipnit. Sej to bi bila najboljša 'varianta' za ukrajino, morali bi 'napasti' NATO, ta bi jih 'okupiral' in bi imeli mir.

Je kdo rekel, da je zahod napadel Ukrajino? Rusija je napadla Ukrajino. A zahod pomaga Ukrajini z orožjem. Na nek način to je proxy vojna zahod/ZDA proti rusiji, saj rusija je sovražnik vsaj ZDA, če ne kar zahoda. Ni treba, da smo z rusi v vojni na nivoju svetovne vojne, da premagamo ruse. Meni je vse to čisto ok. Seveda ukrajinci nastradajo. Želim, da nastradajo čim manj.

JanBrezov je 2. sep 2024 ob 10:08 izjavil:

MadMen je 2. sep 2024 ob 09:47 izjavil:

Malo bučke prodajaš. Ne gre za proxy vojno, saj ne v klasičnem smislu kot naprimer poteka vojna med Iranom in Izraelom. Ukrajina se je sama odločila da se bo uprla okupatorju in sama določa kaj je pripravljena žrtvovati. Zahod iz človeških in geopolitičnih razlogov pač pomaga pri tem...

Potem pač gre za neklasično proxy vojno. Na koncu vseeno. Kot je en pred mano napisal, se Ukrajina brez zahoda te vojne ne more iti.

Poljska je zjutraj aktivirala svoja in zavezniška letala, da bi zaščitila zračni prostor med napadi
Poljski zunanji minister Radoslaw Sikorski je dejal, da je poljska dolžna sestreliti ruske rakete in brezpilotnike še preden ti iz Ukrajine vstopijo v njen zračni prostor. Po njegovem mnenju namreč članstvo Poljske v Natu, ki takšnemu posredovanju nasprotuje, ni nad dolžnostjo države, da se zaščiti.

"Članstvo v Natu ne prevlada nad odgovornostjo vsake države, da zaščiti lasten zračni prostor - to je naša ustavna dolžnost," je v intervjuju za časnik Financial Times dejal Sikorski.

Namestnik generalnega sekretarja Nata Mircea Geoana je prav tako za Financial Times izrazil nestrinjanje s stališčem Sikorskega. "Seveda spoštujemo pravico vsake zaveznice, da zagotovi svojo nacionalno varnost. Toda v Natu smo se vedno posvetovali drug z drugim, preden smo sprejeli ukrepe, ki bi lahko imeli posledice za vse nas," je poudaril.

mirovnik je 2. sep 2024 ob 19:28 izjavil:

- prisluhi leta 2014, ker so se ZDA pogovarjali, katere politike bodo nastavili: klik

mirovnik je 2. sep 2024 ob 21:06 izjavil:

O čem?

Ukraine's President Viktor Yanukovych has offered the post of prime minister to opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

He also offered former boxer Vitali Klitschko the position of deputy PM.

It bothers me about the alarmist takes on Russian nuclear sabre rattling that nukes are reserved for an extreme case & the conditions of an existential threat must be met to contemplate use.

Even with a more “liberal” 🇷🇺 doctrine, I don’t see how this war would tick the boxes.

As much as Putin would like to twist and turn it, it’s not a defensive war for Russia. It’s also not an existential one. It’s a war of choice.

AND it’s supposed to be a minor regional conflict, so nuclear use in such a context would signal extreme weakness.

Military experts have pointed out that Russia would hardly gain much by using tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield. On the other hand, politically that would change the conflict significantly, for the worse for Russia.

I’d assume that since Putin sees himself at war with the wider west, he would want to reserve nukes for a NATO-Russia war. What is he going to escalate to if he already goes nuclear in Ukraine. More and bigger nukes ?

I don’t mean to take the risk of nuclear escalation lightly, but I just struggle to see what the rationale could be from Putin’s point of view to actually use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

It seems to work well on the rhetorical level though.

Ukrajinski predsednik Viktor Janukovič je ponudil mesto predsednika vlade opozicijskemu voditelju Arseniju Yatsenyuku.

Prav tako je nekdanjemu boksarju Vitaliju Klitschku ponudil položaj namestnika predsednika vlade.

Opozicijski voditelji se niso izrecno izrekli, ali bodo sprejeli ponudbo, vendar so ponovili svoje zahteve po novih predsedniških volitvah.

Ponudba je prišla po sobotnih pogovorih z opozicijo v novih prizadevanjih, da se končajo smrtonosni nemiri, ki so se razširili po vsej državi.

Nuland: OK. Zdaj je dobil tako Serrya in [generalnega sekretarja ZN] Ban Ki-moona, da se strinjata, da bi Serry prišel v ponedeljek ali torek. To bi bilo super, mislim, da bi ZN pomagali zlepili to stvar in saj veš, fuck the EU.

Pyatt: Da, drži. Mislim, da moramo nekaj storiti, da bo stvar obstala, ker si lahko prepričana, da če bo zgodba uspešna, jo bodo Rusi v ozadju poskušali torpedirati. In še dejstvo, da je to prišlo ven prav zdaj, jaz še vedno poskušam ugotoviti, zakaj je Janukovič to predlagal. V tem času poteka sestanek poslanske skupine Stranke regij in prepričan sem, da imajo živahno debato. Kakorkoli, lahko smo uspešni, če hitro ukrepamo. Pusti, da se ukvarjam s Kličkom in če ti lahko samo... želimo, nekoga z mednarodno osebnostjo, ki bi podprl ta predlog. Druga stvar je kontakt z Janukovičem, vendar se s tem verjetno lahko ukvajamo jutri, ko bomo videli, kako so stvari začele padati na svoja mesta.

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mirovnik je 3. sep 2024 ob 13:40 izjavil:

ne pa to, da je Bush leta 2008 - kljub temu, da je država imela status nevtralnosti in da ljudje tega niso podpirali - lobiral, da gre Ukrajina v NATO.

Ukraine last week announced it would seek membership in the NATO military alliance, marking a policy shift away from neutrality on the membership issue. The head of the defense and security council who made the announcement says neutrality no longer makes sense for Ukraine. But analysts say President Leonid Kuchma's recent international isolation and the new NATO-Russia Council were also factors in the decision. In this second part of a two-part series on NATO and Ukraine, RFE/RL correspondent Askold Krushelnycky examines the reasons behind the policy shift.

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Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's former trade minister, gave Sergei Glazyev, adviser to President Vladimir Putin, a public dressing down in a discussion session during which the Kremlin man was faced with jeering and catcalls for demanding that Ukraine abandon the EU pact and turn to Russia. The minister said that it was the Kremlin's heavy-handed tactics and threats of a trade war that had made European integration inevitable.

"For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration, and less than 30% of the people support closer ties with Russia," said Poroshenko. "Thank you very much for that Mr Glazyev."

Radek Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, accused Russia of a "19th-century mode of operating towards neighbours", and said that it was only when Ukraine was properly allied with Europe that Russia would begin to respect the country. "Poland's relations with Russia are better now that we are a member of the EU and Nato," said Sikorski. "When the question is open people feel entitled to exert pressure; when the question is closed they have to live with a sovereign country."

Glazyev, speaking on the sidelines of the discussion, said the exact opposite was true: "Ukrainian authorities make a huge mistake if they think that the Russian reaction will become neutral in a few years from now. This will not happen."

Instead, he said, signing the agreement would make the default of Ukraine inevitable and Moscow would not offer any helping hand. "Russia is the main creditor of Ukraine. Only with customs union with Russia can Ukraine balance its trade," he said. Russia has already slapped import restrictions on certain Ukrainian products and Glazyev did not rule out further sanctions if the agreement was signed.

The Kremlin aide added that the political and social cost of EU integration could also be high, and allowed for the possibility of separatist movements springing up in the Russian-speaking east and south of Ukraine. He suggested that if Ukraine signed the agreement, Russia would consider the bilateral treaty that delineates the countries' borders to be void.

"We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow.

"Signing this treaty will lead to political and social unrest," said the Kremlin aide. "The living standard will decline dramatically … there will be chaos."

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Sync je 3. sep 2024 ob 13:56 izjavil:

Kaj menite, kako bo NATO odgovoril na to?