Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Jazon je 18. apr 2024 ob 09:53 izjavil:

Se strinjam da je ta malo bosa, ampak po drugi strani, nov ukrajinski zakon o mobilizaciji uveljavlja ponovno evaluacijo vseh invalidov II. in III.stopnje.

In kaj je narobe s tem? Ugotovili so, da je bilo veliko korupcije, lažnih zdravniških potrdil. In so se - upravičeno in čisto pravilno - odločili, da bodo vse še enkrat pregledali.

Problem poljskih kmetov:

Poland has been one of the staunchest supporters of Ukraine since the start of the war and ordinary Poles have welcomed Ukrainian refugees. Today, however, this relationship is under pressure as Polish farmers are organising blockades on the Polish-Ukrainian border. Why is it taking so long to resolve this issue?

Because this is indeed a very serious problem, and it will remain a problem in the future. I want to stress that it was Brussels that decided to lift restrictions on food imports from Ukraine to the EU. Unfortunately, this has consequences outside Ukraine, including in Poland.


We are a predominantly agricultural country, and suddenly our market is flooded with gigantic quantities of agricultural produce from Ukraine, which, as is well known, is a world power when it comes to agriculture. Because of its excellent, extremely fertile black soil, Ukraine is the world's breadbasket, and a large part of the world has benefited from this.

But this is really a problem for our farmers, because food from Ukraine is cheaper and it is destroying local markets. Our market is much smaller, we are half the size of Ukraine. [...] I would like to draw particular attention to industrial agriculture, which is not really run by Ukrainians, it is run by big companies from Western Europe, from the USA. If we look today at the owners of most of the land, they are not Ukrainian companies.

This is a paradoxical situation, and no wonder that farmers are defending themselves, because they have invested in their farms in Poland [...] and cheap agricultural produce coming from Ukraine is dramatically destructive to them.


However, we should not confuse the two things: how the Poles have helped and are helping Ukrainian refugees on the one hand and political issues on the other. People have opened their hearts, they have let Ukrainian refugees into their homes, they are giving Ukrainians jobs in Poland, they are looking after them in many ways - that is a question of human relations, of good relations between people.

On the other hand, the issue of Ukraine's future accession to the European Union and the relationship between the EU and Ukraine is purely political. In this area, we do have the issue of Ukrainian agricultural exports, which is essentially a political matter, one that, of course, affects ordinary people, ordinary farmers.

We need to resolve this, but Poland will not resolve this problem on its own, because if we were to try to restrict the flow of Ukrainian products into the European Union, we would be in breach of Community regulations. So it is up to Brussels to find the terms that will also protect the member states from the situation we're in today. That problem must be resolved at the political level.

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1...

Očitno se je kongres končno zbudil:



Kakor berem bi lahko vojaška pomoč v Ukrajino prišla že naslednji dan saj je vse nameščeno v sosednjih državah, na Poljskem je preko 3000 kosov težkega orožja. Berem da so skladišča ob Ukrajini polna samo zeleno luč je potrebno dati.

Rusi naj bi mobilizirali dodatnih 400k vojakov, jaz bom vesel če se bodo Ukrajinci obranili med poletjem, to bi bila v tem trenutku za Ukrajince zmaga. Da ubranijo morebitno poletno ofenzivo.

Je pa tako da so pričakovanja velika glede nato da vsi pisarijo kako bo teh 60 milijard spremenilo potek vojne in da gre za ključno pomoč pričakujem velike premike s strani Ukrajine. Tokrat tudi pričakujem da bomo težko orožje dejansko videli v bojnih linijah in ne kot prejšnje leto ko je bilo vse skupaj precej sramotno.

Drugače pa zdaj Nizozemska poziva države v Evropi da naj takoj pošljejo Patriot sisteme v Ukrajino. Ker bi Ukrajinci potrebovali mesece za usposabljanje dodatnih vojakov bi bilo najbolje da te sisteme opravljajo NATO vojaki v Ukrajini. Glede nato da gre za obrambni sistem to nebi smelo biti sporno. Tako bi lahko bili sistemi takoj operativni.

Ukrajinci niso imeli tuje vojske v državi, pa so jo vseeno napadli. Hm... So rekli rusi ukrajincem: "Dajte nam nukice, pa vas ne bomo nikoli napadli." nekako tako. Saj veš... Osel gre samo enkrat na led.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 11:10 izjavil:

Če se bo kdo potrudil prebrati. Pisanje je o pogajanju marec-april 2023 med RU in UA in kaj so imeli na mizi:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/...

V tem pisanju je tudi to, da bo UA nevtralna država brez tuje vojske na svojem ozemlju, lahko se bo vključila v EU, varnostna zagotovila, ki bi bila podobna/enaka NATO čl. 5, bi bila podpisana z več NATO državami.

PS Ni vse tako, kot vam prikazuje Z MSM propaganda.

Če bi se vsaj ti potrudil prebrat kaj si napisal, da nebi rabi lvsakič tako očitno lagat:

First, whereas the communiqué and the April 12 draft made clear that guarantor states would decide independently whether to come to Kyiv’s aid in the event of an attack on Ukraine, in the April 15 draft, the Russians attempted to subvert this crucial article by insisting that such action would occur only “on the basis of a decision agreed to by all guarantor states”—giving the likely invader, Russia, a veto.

5. člen NATO my ass...

Second, the drafts contain several articles that were added to the treaty at Russia’s insistence but were not part of the communiqué and related to matters that Ukraine refused to discuss. These require Ukraine to ban “fascism, Nazism, neo-Nazism, and aggressive nationalism”—and, to that end, to repeal six Ukrainian laws (fully or in part) that dealt, broadly, with contentious aspects of Soviet-era history, in particular the role of Ukrainian nationalists during World War II.

It is easy to see why Ukraine would resist letting Russia determine its policies on historical memory, particularly in the context of a treaty on security guarantees. And the Russians knew these provisions would make it more difficult for the Ukrainians to accept the rest of the treaty. They might, therefore, be seen as poison pills.

Tako, da prodajaj pravljice kje drugje.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 11:10 izjavil:

Če se bo kdo potrudil prebrati. Pisanje je o pogajanju marec-april 2023 med RU in UA in kaj so imeli na mizi:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/...

V tem pisanju je tudi to, da bo UA nevtralna država brez tuje vojske na svojem ozemlju, lahko se bo vključila v EU, varnostna zagotovila, ki bi bila podobna/enaka NATO čl. 5, bi bila podpisana z več NATO državami.

PS Ni vse tako, kot vam prikazuje Z MSM propaganda.

Kaj točno je potem na ozemlju Ukrajine počela ruska vojska? Maš res, ni vse tako kot pravi ruska MSM propaganda.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 12:33 izjavil:

Aha, dežurni v tej temi ste se oglasili s svojo narativo in ven pobrali podrobnosti, ki vam ustrezajo. Nekaj vas še manjka.
Lep dan.

Damir, še enkrat preberi, kaj si odebeljil in kaj si odgovoril. časovnica ne gre skupaj.

Pol še pa ti preberi, kar si objavil. Nikjer ne piše, da se bo ruska vojska po podpisu sporazuma umaknila iz ukrajinskega ozemlja.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 12:40 izjavil:

Še en iz skupine dežurnih.
Če bo pozorno bral, odprto bi ostalo samo vprašanje Krima, to bi naj rešili v 10-15 letih.

Sicer je že @Kumbaja prilepil, ampak očitno ne razumeš prebranega in posledično banalnosti v ruskih zahtevah.
Lahko se interpretira nekako:
"če bo Ukrajina napadena, lahko vsi priskočijo na pomoč Kijevu... razen če smo mi tisti, ki napadajo... potem nihče ne more pomagati"

First, whereas the communiqué and the April 12 draft made clear that guarantor states would decide independently whether to come to Kyiv’s aid in the event of an attack on Ukraine, in the April 15 draft, the Russians attempted to subvert this crucial article by insisting that such action would occur only “on the basis of a decision agreed to by all guarantor states”—giving the likely invader, Russia, a veto.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 12:33 izjavil:

Sirotka, lahko tudi tako pišeš, kot te je pdučila zahodna MSM propaganda, zadaj je še več stvari.

Katere stvari? Ni bilo dovolj jasno napisano leta 94?

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 12:40 izjavil:

Še en iz skupine dežurnih.
Če bo pozorno bral, odprto bi ostalo samo vprašanje Krima, to bi naj rešili v 10-15 letih.

Saj pravim, da nisi prebral. Verjetno ti je en twitter strokovnjak dal povzetek. Tole je iz tvojega članka.

The talks had deliberately skirted the question of borders and territory. Evidently, the idea was for Putin and Zelensky to decide on those issues at the planned summit. It is easy to imagine that Putin would have insisted on holding all the territory that his forces had already occupied. The question is whether Zelensky could have been convinced to agree to this land grab.

boolsheat je 18. apr 2024 ob 14:12 izjavil:

Kaj je Putin zelel pove Stoltenberg tu:

Vemo. Hotel je, da se NATO umakne iz držav vzhodne Evrope. Pravzaprav je očitno hotel, da države vzhodne Evrope izstopijo ali pa da jih celo izključijo iz NATO v katerega so se včlanile ravno zaradi Rusije.

German police have arrested 2 suspected Russian agents planning attacks in the country.

Acting on Russian behalf, they were photographing US bases in Germany and planned sabotage attacks on military shipping routes, bringing U.S. weapons to Germany and Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1...

JUST IN: German police arrest two suspected of spying for Russia.
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/17808...

A se ni čisto enaka stvar dogajala v Sloveniji? Slikanje vojaških baz?

V luči predvidenega ameriškega umika iz evrope je putin očitno zaslutil šanso, da izsili novo delitev evrope.
Predpogoj za to je seveda umik nata iz delov evrope za katere je zainteresiran, ostalo bi potem dosegel z direktnimi in indirektnimi pritiski na države in spodkopavanjem eu.

to

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/...

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced an amendment requiring members to “conscript in the Ukrainian military” if they vote for the Ukraine supplemental bill.

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https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/sta...

Just submitted an amendment to Bill drafting appointing MTG as Putin’s Special Envoy to the United States Congress.

in to

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/stat...

He actually did it

tudi to

https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status...

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https://twitter.com/ABeardedPanda/statu...

Remember kids, the only agency outside of the continental United States of America is the Central Intelligence Agency

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https://twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/178...

This is why you dudes aren’t getting that revolution you yack on about online. Because when you’re confronted with the idea of an ex-colony rising up against police brutality and a wannabe dictator backed by an imperialist regime you try and mock it instead of taking notes.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 14:37 izjavil:

Tisto kar je Kumbaja citiral, je "draft" iz 12.4. UA se razumljivo ni strinjala s tem, to so RU dopisali in še marsikaj drugega. Kasneje je bilo to vrženo ven in še kaj drugega se je spremenilo.

Samo en problem je tukaj. Da je slo to ven si si gladko zmisli, ker v clanku ni govora o tem.

Kumbaja je 18. apr 2024 ob 17:09 izjavil:

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 14:37 izjavil:

Tisto kar je Kumbaja citiral, je "draft" iz 12.4. UA se razumljivo ni strinjala s tem, to so RU dopisali in še marsikaj drugega. Kasneje je bilo to vrženo ven in še kaj drugega se je spremenilo.

Samo en problem je tukaj. Da je slo to ven si si gladko zmisli, ker v clanku ni govora o tem.

V clanku je prikladno izpuščeno.
Ta sporazum je cakal samo se na potrditev s strani parlamentov obeh držav

The Tire Guy^TM je v prejšnjem življenju med drugim certificiral oklepljene kabine, putinov pristop do vojskovanja pa precej spominja na tistega od W. na začetku tisočletja

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781...

Between ~1996 and 2005, most FMTV trucks accepted by DCMA for the US Army had my signature on the truck property forms along with my DSN phone number.

I got three or four calls in Sealy Texas from NCO's in Iraq trying to score ballistic composite glass armor because they stopped these EFP attacks

DCMA Sealy was getting photos from contractor relatives of bombed FMTV's with sheet metal armor and receiving IED damaged trucks to get rebuilt.

You could tell the blast damage from how the windows were missing and the roofs were bowed at the top.

When you pulled out the stowage boxes in the cabs there were usually spent 5.56mm or 7.62mm brass casings...

...and occasionally a lot of dried blood.

The first low signature armored cabs build and fielded with the 82nd Airborne Division in Mosul (pictured) were accepted on New Year's Eve 2004-2005 by me, my DCMA supervisor and my office's commanding Colonel.

Bush Administration policy was the military went to the war and everyone else went to the mall.

I was single then & volunteered.

The three of us started at 8:30am and worked until 10:45 pm getting the first batch of cabs inspected, properly packaged & onto trucks for highway shipment to an airport for direct cargo flights to Iraq.

The three troopers in this LSAC cab all lived with minor injuries.

I didn't go to a New Year's Eve West Coast Swing Dance that I had planned for weeks to attend that night at the Melody Club to chase skirts...

...I knew I was too tired to kick up my heals and then drive back safely.

But it was time meaningfully well spent.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 21:46 izjavil:

Bauc je 18. apr 2024 ob 17:59 izjavil:

Ti si objavil članek, ki ga očitno nisi prebral, da bi dokazal nekaj, kar sploh ni v članku. Zdaj pa praviš, da tisto, kar si trdil, da ta članek dokazuje sploh ni v članku. V članku tudi ne piše, da je bil sporazum v fazi, da bi ga morala samo še potrditi oba parlamenta. Če imaš dokaze za svoje trditve jih objavi. Zdaj pa končno preberi članek in nehaj nabijat. Če si ga slučajno prebral ampak ga ne razumeš je pa druga zgodba.

Tvoje pisanje je podtikanje besed. Sem zgoraj pojasnil, ce pa ne razumes clanka in ti vsebina ni vseč, ti ne morem pomagati.

PS samo čakam ,da bos napisal, da vir ni ok.

Članek je čisto vredu. Edini problem je, da si ga objavil v podporo svojim trditvami v resnici te pa članek demantira. Kot sem rekel ali ga nisi prebral ali pa ne razumeš vsebine. Napisal si, da je vprašanje okupiranih teritorijev rešeno v članku pa lepo piše, da to ni res.

fikus_ je 18. apr 2024 ob 21:56 izjavil:

Torej slabo razumes članek, sem zgoraj pojasnil.

Očitno ga ti ne razumeš. Ti si trdil, da je vprašanje teritorija razen Krima rešeno v članku pa piše da to ni res. Čist preprosto. Če ne razumeš ti pa naj en prevede.



The talks had deliberately skirted the question of borders and territory. Evidently, the idea was for Putin and Zelensky to decide on those issues at the planned summit. It is easy to imagine that Putin would have insisted on holding all the territory that his forces had already occupied. The question is whether Zelensky could have been convinced to agree to this land grab

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https://twitter.com/KareemRifai/status/...

Marjorie Taylor-Greene, in a nod to Viktor Orban, has submitted an amendment to the Ukraine aid bill barring funding until "restrictions on Hungarians in Transcarpathia" and other minorities are lifted.

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https://twitter.com/geogvma/status/1781...

If there was ever any doubt that this lady is being fed her lines, this is it.

Someone needs to hand her a map in public and ask her show where the Transcarpathians are.

Pac-Man je 18. apr 2024 ob 09:20 izjavil:

FireSnake je 17. apr 2024 ob 23:04 izjavil:

Malo mi je čudno, tako razgledani so vsi tu gori, toliko potujete a ljudi na terenu pa ne poznate. Kako to?

Malo mi je čudno, da vse rusofile redno skrbi za usodo Ukrajincev, ruski kakonfuter jih pa bolj malo briga. Kako to?

Kako bi naj jaz to vedel?

-1 Tu-22M3 in Stavropol krai

https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/17...

FireSnake je 17. apr 2024 ob 23:04 izjavil:

damirj79 je 17. apr 2024 ob 08:28 izjavil:

Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.

Trenutno sem v Kopru na športnem dogodku kjer je tudi 200 Ukrajincev.
Tele številke bodo držale. S tem, da mi kolegi iz Ukrajine pravijo, da je popolnoma ista številka na njihovi strani.
Ja, milijon Slovanov.

So pa že počasi siti tudi Američanov, ker se zavedajo, da jih počasi kuhajo.
Glede naborništva, sem že govoril, vse vzamejo, tudi mentalno prizadete.
Mojega kolega (ja, kolega, pozanama se 17 let) z obema umetnina kolenoma in umetnim kolkom kanijo potegniti na fronto.

Mediji o žrtvah lažejo. In to vsi.

Malo mi je čudno, tako razgledani so vsi tu gori, toliko potujete a ljudi na terenu pa ne poznate. Kako to?
Vedno bolj se mi zdi, da je tale forum poln kawč majstrov, ki samo nabijajo. V eno ali drugo smer.

Za kateri dogodek gre si lahko pogledate na internetu (če ni še to preveč za pajace, ki bodo prijavili, da je vse skupaj plod moje domišljije - že videno).

Verjetno bo ta tvoj kolega lahko nekaj naredil, da ne bo šel na fronto. Verjetno vpoklic ni kar tako, saj se mu gre za njegovo državo, ampak če ima zdravstvene razloge proti temu, potem jih bo sigurno lahko predložil. Tako funkcionira normalno povsod. ker pri vpoklicu vejretno ugovor vesti nič ne šteje imajo za rešitev false zdr. razloge.

Problem javnega pošiljanja pomoči je, da da bodo Rusi do takrat poskusili uničit vse kar se bo dalo. Nocoj jo je skupil Dnipro in železniška infrastruktura.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/statu...

And this is what Russian missiles fired with Tupolev Tu-22M3s did to Dnipro this morning… two were killed, including an 8-year-old kid.

Russia’s terror bombing of Ukraine continues almost totally unpunished.

https://twitter.com/UKRRUSNews/status/1...

The head of the Dnepropetrovsk OVA Lysak confirmed the arrival of Russian missiles at two infrastructure facilities.

Sergei Lysak reported a hit Russian missiles at two infrastructure facilities in Dnepropetrovsk. Ukrainian Railways reported that their facilities were hit and long-distance trains were not running into the city. Railroad communication remains the main method of delivering cargo to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, so it is not surprising that their facilities became a target for our fighters.

According to Lysak, an enterprise was damaged in Pavlovgrad, where explosions were also heard at night.

He did not specify which one. [video]

Nit o težavnosti zračne obrambe, Javelin je fuckup, verjetno je mislil TOW. Na koncu se izkaže, da je najboljša obramba napad.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/178...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781...

The air defense of a large country is difficult.

People have forgotten the insane density (and cost) of NATO's Cold War SAM belts.

In Germany alone the HAWK belt consisted of (from North to South):
• 24× German
• 12× Dutch
• 8x Belgian
• 35× US Army
• 12× German HAWK sites, each of which was filled with radars and missile launchers.

(Photo: the Dutch HAWK site on Velmerstot in Germany)

Between the SAM belt and the border mobile radars, and short range air defense systems like Gepard, Roland, Chaparral, VADS, etc. as well as mobile Javelin and Stinger teams covered the units operating there.

And behind the HAWK SAM (Surface to Air Missile) belt followed a second SAM belt, with long range NIKE HERCULES missiles, which carried nuclear warheads. All this was backed up by German, US Air Force, British, Dutch, Belgian, and Canadian air bases, with 2,000+ fighter jets.

In 1980s the HAWKs were replaced with Patriot systems, which carried more missiles with greater range and were mobile. Around 100 Patriot fire units were planned to be acquired for Germany's defense alone.

In Germany the NATO SAM belts had an approximate length of 800km. A Ukrainian SAM belt would have a length of about 1,600km.

So even if Ukraine receives 7× more Patriot systems (which I hope), then only key cities can be protected - not the entire country... and no cities close to the russian border.

I.e. Kharkiv, Sumy, Shostka are too close to the border with russia or in case of Zaporizhzhia is too close to the front for deploying a Patriot system as russia's Smerch rockets can deliver cluster munitions up to 90km.

So, yes: Ukraine NEEDS more Patriot batteries, and modern fighter jets, and medium range systems like NSAMS, and IRIS-T, and short range systems like Gepard and Skyranger, but due to the size of Ukraine (and the lack of air defense systems in the West) there is no chance to protect all of Ukraine from russian missile attacks... the only way to do that is to help Ukraine strike at russian missile and drone factories, and russian air bases and missile sites INSIDE russia.

If we want to save cities like Kharkiv, then Ukraine must be given offensive weapons - and a lot!

Tole katapultiranje navzdol je problem prvih par 100 m od tal, ko ni časa za odprtje padala.

Pa verjetno gre za že dolgo upokojeni OG Tu-22, zaradi oken v nosu

Tupolev Tu-22 @ Wikipedia

Tu-22M je povsem svoje letalo, Tu-22M3 in Tu-22M3M njegovi modernizaciji

Tupolev Tu-22M @ Wikipedia