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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
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BorutO ::
LOL Ukrajinci imajo probleme z Rusi .. a res? Bejž no
V glavnem v vojnem stanju v Ukrajini po njihovi ustavni zakonodaji ni volitev. Ni tu kaj dosti za diskutirat.
Saj volitev ni bilo v nobeni drugi državi med prvo in drugo svetovno vojno. Edini državi, ki sta med drugo svetovno vojno imeli volitve sta VB in Francija, pa še to takrat, ko v njuni državi več ni bilo vojne.
Pac-Man ::
to, 10s video
https://twitter.com/osint_69/status/178...
to
https://twitter.com/mandhistorian/statu...
in to
https://twitter.com/SpaghettiKozak/stat...
https://twitter.com/osint_69/status/178...
A commander of the russian 104th airborne division pissing on his soldier for refusing to go on an assault near Krynky in temporarily occupied Kherson oblast.
to
https://twitter.com/mandhistorian/statu...
Imagine being born with free will and handed a gun with ammunition and you choose to get pissed on instead of shooting your abuser
in to
https://twitter.com/SpaghettiKozak/stat...
Metaphor for the whole country, TBH.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Senior fellow pri Hudson Institute.
Kot omeni je Severna Koreja Rusiji prodala več kot mio artilerijskih granat. Ki jih Severna Koreja posledično nima več v arzenalu. Demilitarizacija hihi.
https://twitter.com/LukeDCoffey/status/...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1780...
🚨 FINALLY, after more than 480 days of delay and dithering (costing Ukrainian lives), Congress is about to vote on another aid package for Ukraine.
Expect a lot of disinformation about US aid to Ukraine in the coming days.
🧵Here is a thread with the facts👇🏻
FACT: We are not writing “blank checks” to Ukraine:
✔️Every dollar spent in support of Ukraine is authorized by Congress and is used for a specific purpose
✔️So far, approximately $70 billion of the aid never left US
FACT: For a modest sum of money, the US helps Ukraine dismantle Russia’s military w/out a single American in harm's way:
✔️+400k Russian troops KIA, 15,000 major pieces of equipment removed from battlefield
✔️1/3 of Black Sea Fleet gone. +3,000 tanks destroyed.
FACT: There is plenty of oversight for Ukraine aid:
✔️Ukraine Oversight Interagency Working Group has 160 officials across 20 agencies monitoring aid
✔️So far: “Investigations related to the Ukraine response have not yet substantiated significant waste, fraud, or abuse.”
FACT: Europeans have now overtaken the U.S. the largest donor to Ukraine:
✔️According to Kiel Institute's aid tracker total European commitments are now more than double those of the U.S.
✔️30 European countries have given more to Ukraine than the U.S. as a percentage of GDP
FACT: A victorious Ukraine means a safer Taiwan:
✔️Russia is China’s partner. A weakened Russia means a weaker China
✔️Beijing is also watching how Western powers support Ukraine, so a strong and victorious Ukraine makes Taiwan stronger and deters Chinese aggression
FACT: Europe’s stability matters to US economy:
✔️48/50 states export more to Europe than China
✔️When Americans are building something to be exported, that is an American job
✔️European stability, which Russia threatens, brings untold benefits to the economy & the US worker
FACT: Lessons from Ukraine make our military stronger:
✔️Shortcomings in defense industry are exposed & being addressed. Thankfully, these were uncovered when US not at war
✔️The performance of US made hardware gets a real-world combat test in a way not possible in a peacetime
FACT: Lessons learned from arming Ukraine mean Taiwan is getting weapons faster:
✔️For the first time ever, Presidential Drawdown Authority is being used for Taiwan
✔️Taiwan’s order of HIMARS will now be arriving 1 year earlier than planned after U.S. re-prioritized the sale
FACT: Iran and North Korea enable Russia to attack Ukraine. Russia supports Hamas:
✔️Iran giving thousands of drones for use against Ukraine
✔️North Korea gave +1 million artillery rounds for use against Ukraine
✔️Russia protects Hamas at the UN. Moscow recently hosted Hamas
FACT: Ukraine is not “America's new forever war”:
✔️No US troops are fighting against Russia inside Ukraine
✔️Ukrainians are not asking for, nor do they want, US troops to help them fight Russia
✔️The US is not a belligerent in the conflict
FACT: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia:
✔️Definition of a "proxy war" is a war “fought by states acting at the instigation or on behalf of other states”
✔️The US has never instigated Ukraine to fight. The US is not forcing the Ukraine to fight on its behalf
FACT: The US must provide both military & non-military to achieve the greatest affect:
✔️Russia’s invasion eliminated 30% of Ukraine’s economy
✔️Essential public services must function (e.g. law enforcement, utility workers, etc) for Ukraine to remain on a total war footing
FACT: US military aid to Ukraine is a boost to our defense industry:
✔️After seeing effectiveness of US military equipment in Ukraine, NATO countries alone have placed $120 billion in orders for US made hardware.
✔️This makes America safer while creating highly-paid jobs
Kot omeni je Severna Koreja Rusiji prodala več kot mio artilerijskih granat. Ki jih Severna Koreja posledično nima več v arzenalu. Demilitarizacija hihi.
https://twitter.com/LukeDCoffey/status/...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1780...
🚨 FINALLY, after more than 480 days of delay and dithering (costing Ukrainian lives), Congress is about to vote on another aid package for Ukraine.
Expect a lot of disinformation about US aid to Ukraine in the coming days.
🧵Here is a thread with the facts👇🏻
FACT: We are not writing “blank checks” to Ukraine:
✔️Every dollar spent in support of Ukraine is authorized by Congress and is used for a specific purpose
✔️So far, approximately $70 billion of the aid never left US
FACT: For a modest sum of money, the US helps Ukraine dismantle Russia’s military w/out a single American in harm's way:
✔️+400k Russian troops KIA, 15,000 major pieces of equipment removed from battlefield
✔️1/3 of Black Sea Fleet gone. +3,000 tanks destroyed.
FACT: There is plenty of oversight for Ukraine aid:
✔️Ukraine Oversight Interagency Working Group has 160 officials across 20 agencies monitoring aid
✔️So far: “Investigations related to the Ukraine response have not yet substantiated significant waste, fraud, or abuse.”
FACT: Europeans have now overtaken the U.S. the largest donor to Ukraine:
✔️According to Kiel Institute's aid tracker total European commitments are now more than double those of the U.S.
✔️30 European countries have given more to Ukraine than the U.S. as a percentage of GDP
FACT: A victorious Ukraine means a safer Taiwan:
✔️Russia is China’s partner. A weakened Russia means a weaker China
✔️Beijing is also watching how Western powers support Ukraine, so a strong and victorious Ukraine makes Taiwan stronger and deters Chinese aggression
FACT: Europe’s stability matters to US economy:
✔️48/50 states export more to Europe than China
✔️When Americans are building something to be exported, that is an American job
✔️European stability, which Russia threatens, brings untold benefits to the economy & the US worker
FACT: Lessons from Ukraine make our military stronger:
✔️Shortcomings in defense industry are exposed & being addressed. Thankfully, these were uncovered when US not at war
✔️The performance of US made hardware gets a real-world combat test in a way not possible in a peacetime
FACT: Lessons learned from arming Ukraine mean Taiwan is getting weapons faster:
✔️For the first time ever, Presidential Drawdown Authority is being used for Taiwan
✔️Taiwan’s order of HIMARS will now be arriving 1 year earlier than planned after U.S. re-prioritized the sale
FACT: Iran and North Korea enable Russia to attack Ukraine. Russia supports Hamas:
✔️Iran giving thousands of drones for use against Ukraine
✔️North Korea gave +1 million artillery rounds for use against Ukraine
✔️Russia protects Hamas at the UN. Moscow recently hosted Hamas
FACT: Ukraine is not “America's new forever war”:
✔️No US troops are fighting against Russia inside Ukraine
✔️Ukrainians are not asking for, nor do they want, US troops to help them fight Russia
✔️The US is not a belligerent in the conflict
FACT: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia:
✔️Definition of a "proxy war" is a war “fought by states acting at the instigation or on behalf of other states”
✔️The US has never instigated Ukraine to fight. The US is not forcing the Ukraine to fight on its behalf
FACT: The US must provide both military & non-military to achieve the greatest affect:
✔️Russia’s invasion eliminated 30% of Ukraine’s economy
✔️Essential public services must function (e.g. law enforcement, utility workers, etc) for Ukraine to remain on a total war footing
FACT: US military aid to Ukraine is a boost to our defense industry:
✔️After seeing effectiveness of US military equipment in Ukraine, NATO countries alone have placed $120 billion in orders for US made hardware.
✔️This makes America safer while creating highly-paid jobs
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
FireSnake ::
Ko eni začnejo govoriti o dejstvih v štartu veš, da je laž.
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Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
boolsheat ::
Ok, to:
FACT: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia
Pa mislim, da se vsi strinjamo, da ne drži...
FACT: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia
Pa mislim, da se vsi strinjamo, da ne drži...
TESKAn ::
Govori zase.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
borisk ::
Na Krimu spet kuhajo municijo, verjetno ne spet nekdo kadil kjer ne bi smel.
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/...
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/...
WhiteAngel ::
Ok, to:
FACT: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia
Pa mislim, da se vsi strinjamo, da ne drži...
Putin je neposredno v vojni z Ukrajino z namenom aneksacije, posredno pa v vojni z zahodom (vključno z ZDA), če ne drugega zaradi neposrednih groženj Medvedjeva. To so dejstva.
Kremljsko trobilo pa trdi, da v Ukrajini poteka "posebna vojaška operacija", ZDA in Nato pa napadata Rusijo. Kako neumen (ali plačan?) moraš biti, da to verjameš?
Pac-Man ::
2 meseca staro, ampak mi je šele sedaj prišlo pred oči
https://twitter.com/MartinSauerbrey/sta...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1760...
On Russias plans for the destruction of Ukraine.
My definition: Russia wants to destroy
1) an independent democratic Ukrainian state, wants
2) to prohibit Ukraine from becoming integrated in EU a. NATO,
3) wants to erase Ukrainian national identity.
Imo there are 4 escal. phases:
1) Russia tried to control Ukraine via presidents who saw Ukraines future in alliance with Russia and as part of Russias vehicle of dominance, the Eurasian Economic Union. The puppet to do so was Janukowitsch. Russia did interfere in the 2004 elections to get him elected, but ultimately failed because its meddling was not tolerated by many Ukrainians. Afterwards, it used economic and political pressure to hinder more westward leaning politics. As Janukowitsch was elected again, he started to steer Ukraine on a solid course towards EEU and Russia.
At the same time, he strove to dismantle Ukrainian democracy by strengthening his presidential powers and sideline the Rada. With help of his Party of Regions, he was on a good way to achieve his and Russias' goal. Only problem was that many Ukrainians still wanted deeper ties with the EU (not NATO). Janukowitsch was (unwillingly) negotiating an Ass. Agr. with the EU, which he, after severe pressure from Russia, decided not to sign it. That triggered Maidan, which ended Russias ambitions to transform Ukraine into a Russian puppet similar to Belarus.
2) After this door to vassalizing Ukraine closed, Russia instrumentalized grievances (it deliberately furthered over years of propaganda and disinformation) to invade and annex Crimea and stage coups throughout left bank Ukraine. Of those only the coups in Luhansk and Donezk succeeded. Russias goal was to federalize Ukraine by creating "autonomous" regions and paralyze Ukraine through its proxies there, which would have enabled it to hinder any westward move and thereby would have achieved its goal to end Ukraines independence.
After things escalated, Russia had to send troops to save its proxies. The Minsk agreements were a further step in achieving Russias goal as they ultimately would have led to federalization.
3) The invasion of Ukraine with the aim of annexing big parts of Ukraine and installing a puppet government was the next step of escalation. That was foiled by Zelenskys refusal to flee and Ukrainians will to resist.
4) War of attrition and destruction. Russia now tries to inflict as much damage on Ukraine as it can, as its plans were foiled. Until now Ukraine resisted Russias efforts to subjugate it and Russia is now intend on bleeding and bombing it (and the west) into submission.
There are two possible ways to achieve that:
I.) Conquering the whole of Ukraine, which would be very costly and ultimately might be dangerous for the kremlin gang. That's why they are going for:
II) Armistice, Frozen Conflict. It would also achieve Russias goal of creating a puppet Ukraine that it could prevent at any time to pursue western leaning politics. Russia would enforce all kinds of points on rump Ukraine that would make sure it would remain a vassal with possible further escalation and finally annexation of the whole of Ukraine.
As the Russian occupational regime shows, it is now intend on erasing Ukraine culture and identity. Banning Ukrainian from schools, burning books, erasing Ukrainian from the public space, indoctrination children, terror, executions, torture, kidnapping of kids. All these measures are aiming at Russification. This was long in the making as many speeches and essays of government officials pre- and post war show that were intend of negating a Ukrainian identity and nation that was detached from Russian identity. Ukraine was constructed as a historical accident that can't exist without Russia. This gained much more traction with the start of the war, when genocidal fantasies against Ukrainians are freely vented on Russian state media or even by government officials.
Russia would have been complacent with a destinct Ukrainian identity in the first two phases, but as the events of 2014 served as a catalyst for Ukrainian identity building, it seems to have come to the conclusion that the newly found Ukrainian self-awareness and identity as a democratic, westward leaning nation, with a history that is distinct from Russias history, that treats Russia as only one - though bad - part of its history, is a threat that has to be erased. After the failure of capturing Kyiv and installing a puppet regime, Russia seems to finally have understood that it won't be able to dominate a Ukraine that has its own self-reliant identity, of which a major part is despising Russia as mortal enemy. So it has to erase this identity. And that means erasing Ukrainian culture, language and, if necessary, Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/MartinSauerbrey/sta...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1760...
On Russias plans for the destruction of Ukraine.
My definition: Russia wants to destroy
1) an independent democratic Ukrainian state, wants
2) to prohibit Ukraine from becoming integrated in EU a. NATO,
3) wants to erase Ukrainian national identity.
Imo there are 4 escal. phases:
1) Russia tried to control Ukraine via presidents who saw Ukraines future in alliance with Russia and as part of Russias vehicle of dominance, the Eurasian Economic Union. The puppet to do so was Janukowitsch. Russia did interfere in the 2004 elections to get him elected, but ultimately failed because its meddling was not tolerated by many Ukrainians. Afterwards, it used economic and political pressure to hinder more westward leaning politics. As Janukowitsch was elected again, he started to steer Ukraine on a solid course towards EEU and Russia.
At the same time, he strove to dismantle Ukrainian democracy by strengthening his presidential powers and sideline the Rada. With help of his Party of Regions, he was on a good way to achieve his and Russias' goal. Only problem was that many Ukrainians still wanted deeper ties with the EU (not NATO). Janukowitsch was (unwillingly) negotiating an Ass. Agr. with the EU, which he, after severe pressure from Russia, decided not to sign it. That triggered Maidan, which ended Russias ambitions to transform Ukraine into a Russian puppet similar to Belarus.
2) After this door to vassalizing Ukraine closed, Russia instrumentalized grievances (it deliberately furthered over years of propaganda and disinformation) to invade and annex Crimea and stage coups throughout left bank Ukraine. Of those only the coups in Luhansk and Donezk succeeded. Russias goal was to federalize Ukraine by creating "autonomous" regions and paralyze Ukraine through its proxies there, which would have enabled it to hinder any westward move and thereby would have achieved its goal to end Ukraines independence.
After things escalated, Russia had to send troops to save its proxies. The Minsk agreements were a further step in achieving Russias goal as they ultimately would have led to federalization.
3) The invasion of Ukraine with the aim of annexing big parts of Ukraine and installing a puppet government was the next step of escalation. That was foiled by Zelenskys refusal to flee and Ukrainians will to resist.
4) War of attrition and destruction. Russia now tries to inflict as much damage on Ukraine as it can, as its plans were foiled. Until now Ukraine resisted Russias efforts to subjugate it and Russia is now intend on bleeding and bombing it (and the west) into submission.
There are two possible ways to achieve that:
I.) Conquering the whole of Ukraine, which would be very costly and ultimately might be dangerous for the kremlin gang. That's why they are going for:
II) Armistice, Frozen Conflict. It would also achieve Russias goal of creating a puppet Ukraine that it could prevent at any time to pursue western leaning politics. Russia would enforce all kinds of points on rump Ukraine that would make sure it would remain a vassal with possible further escalation and finally annexation of the whole of Ukraine.
As the Russian occupational regime shows, it is now intend on erasing Ukraine culture and identity. Banning Ukrainian from schools, burning books, erasing Ukrainian from the public space, indoctrination children, terror, executions, torture, kidnapping of kids. All these measures are aiming at Russification. This was long in the making as many speeches and essays of government officials pre- and post war show that were intend of negating a Ukrainian identity and nation that was detached from Russian identity. Ukraine was constructed as a historical accident that can't exist without Russia. This gained much more traction with the start of the war, when genocidal fantasies against Ukrainians are freely vented on Russian state media or even by government officials.
Russia would have been complacent with a destinct Ukrainian identity in the first two phases, but as the events of 2014 served as a catalyst for Ukrainian identity building, it seems to have come to the conclusion that the newly found Ukrainian self-awareness and identity as a democratic, westward leaning nation, with a history that is distinct from Russias history, that treats Russia as only one - though bad - part of its history, is a threat that has to be erased. After the failure of capturing Kyiv and installing a puppet regime, Russia seems to finally have understood that it won't be able to dominate a Ukraine that has its own self-reliant identity, of which a major part is despising Russia as mortal enemy. So it has to erase this identity. And that means erasing Ukrainian culture, language and, if necessary, Ukraine.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
damirj79 ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
boolsheat ::
Govori zase.
Mike Johnson pravi, da je "war time speaker":
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1780309...
kow ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
50k. Z imeni in priimki. V vojni imas tudi MIA in WIA. Kot smo ze pisali v tej temi. Putin je unicil zivljenja krepko vec kot milijon Rusov. (ce umre oce ali je resno ranjen, to vpliva na celo druzino itd.)
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damirj79 ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
50k. Z imeni in priimki. V vojni imas tudi MIA in WIA. Kot smo ze pisali v tej temi. Putin je unicil zivljenja krepko vec kot milijon Rusov. (ce umre oce ali je resno ranjen, to vpliva na celo druzino itd.)
50.000 je bilo mišljeno, napaka moja. Ampak komentarji so pa že za crknit na RTVSLO :D
TESKAn ::
Govori zase.
Mike Johnson pravi, da je "war time speaker":
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1780309...
mike johnson je predvsem putin appeaser.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Jazon ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
Evo, direktno iz Univerze Lomonosov, letnik 60-65 /s
damirj79 že pri svastikah si pokazal, da nimaš pojma in tu si glede na RVTSLO članek dodal še eno nulo. Možno, da je preveč Turkov v tebi.
1.) BBC News Russia in Mediazona štejeta že kar nekaj časa. Na začetku tega leta je bila številka 42,284, zdaj je 50,471 ruskih vojakov, marca je bilo okoli 45k. Štejejo dejanska imena mrtvih vojakov, po vseh regijah v Rusiji. Ocenjujejo sicer, da je 85,000 do 100,000 ubitih ruskih vojakov. (marec 2024)
2.) Na ukrajinski strani se šteje preko projekta UALosses, ki je do zdaj naštel 44,712 ukrajinskih vojakov. Njihov poimenski seznam šteje 16387 mrtvih v letu 2022 (od 24.2.2022 dalje) in 18732 mrtvih v letu 2023. Decembra 2023 so vnesli 1382 mrtvih. Januarja 2024 so vnesli 1353 mrtvih. Februarja 2024 so vnesli 1130 mrtvih. Od 7.3.2024 ni več vnosov.
3.) Kakšne so prave cifre lahko samo ugibamo, pa dajmo zato raje povzeti navedbe drugih (wiki):
4.) Rusko vojaško ministrstvo, ni razkrilo število mrtvih in ranjenih na svoji strani.
So pa podali oceno za ukrajinsko stran in sicer 444,000 mrtvih in ranjenih, od tega 5962 tujih prostovoljcev. (do 27.2.2024)
5.) Ukrajinske vojne sile, niso razkrile število mrtvih in ranjenih na svoji strani. Je pa to storil Zelenski, ki je omenil 31,000 mrtvih ukrajinskih vojakov. (25.2.2024)
So pa podali dokaj natančno številko za rusko stran in sicer 409,820 izgub, od tega 180,000 mrtvih. (25.2.2024)
6.) Američani so podali oceno za rusko stran in sicer 350,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (7.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran so avgusta lani podali oceno 70,000 mrtvih in 100-120,000 ranjenih, (18.8.2023)
7.) Združeno Kraljestvo je podalo oceno za rusko stran in sicer 355,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (3.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran niso podali ocene.
Kar se tiče ZDA in ZK, ta ocena pomojem izvira iz nekega računa (vojaške doktrine), kjer se logistično upošteva število žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih).
Nek upok. am. general je ocenil 3000 žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih) na teden, na ruski strani, na celi fronti. Verjetno zelo kvalitetna ocena.
damirj79 ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
Evo, direktno iz Univerze Lomonosov, letnik 60-65 /s
damirj79 že pri svastikah si pokazal, da nimaš pojma in tu si glede na RVTSLO članek dodal še eno nulo. Možno, da je preveč Turkov v tebi.
1.) BBC News Russia in Mediazona štejeta že kar nekaj časa. Na začetku tega leta je bila številka 42,284, zdaj je 50,471 ruskih vojakov, marca je bilo okoli 45k. Štejejo dejanska imena mrtvih vojakov, po vseh regijah v Rusiji. Ocenjujejo sicer, da je 85,000 do 100,000 ubitih ruskih vojakov. (marec 2024)
2.) Na ukrajinski strani se šteje preko projekta UALosses, ki je do zdaj naštel 44,712 ukrajinskih vojakov. Njihov poimenski seznam šteje 16387 mrtvih v letu 2022 (od 24.2.2022 dalje) in 18732 mrtvih v letu 2023. Decembra 2023 so vnesli 1382 mrtvih. Januarja 2024 so vnesli 1353 mrtvih. Februarja 2024 so vnesli 1130 mrtvih. Od 7.3.2024 ni več vnosov.
3.) Kakšne so prave cifre lahko samo ugibamo, pa dajmo zato raje povzeti navedbe drugih (wiki):
4.) Rusko vojaško ministrstvo, ni razkrilo število mrtvih in ranjenih na svoji strani.
So pa podali oceno za ukrajinsko stran in sicer 444,000 mrtvih in ranjenih, od tega 5962 tujih prostovoljcev. (do 27.2.2024)
5.) Ukrajinske vojne sile, niso razkrile število mrtvih in ranjenih na svoji strani. Je pa to storil Zelenski, ki je omenil 31,000 mrtvih ukrajinskih vojakov. (25.2.2024)
So pa podali dokaj natančno številko za rusko stran in sicer 409,820 izgub, od tega 180,000 mrtvih. (25.2.2024)
6.) Američani so podali oceno za rusko stran in sicer 350,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (7.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran so avgusta lani podali oceno 70,000 mrtvih in 100-120,000 ranjenih, (18.8.2023)
7.) Združeno Kraljestvo je podalo oceno za rusko stran in sicer 355,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (3.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran niso podali ocene.
Kar se tiče ZDA in ZK, ta ocena pomojem izvira iz nekega računa (vojaške doktrine), kjer se logistično upošteva število žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih).
Nek upok. am. general je ocenil 3000 žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih) na teden, na ruski strani, na celi fronti. Verjetno zelo kvalitetna ocena.
Beri zgoraj, za ničlo preveč sem se že opravičil. Kar se tiče svastike, si pa samo sebe dokazal, da si zabluzil.
Številke na UKR strani tudi če so višje, ne bo nobenega kaj pretirano motilo, saj se konec koncev borijo za svojo državo. Medtem ko na ruski strani pa če so višje, bo verjtno precej bolj boleče, saj se ne borijo za svojo državo. Poleg tega je borce na ruski strani precej iz vrst plačancev (wagner ipd) ki jih nikoli niso šteli med izgube ruske vojske... saj ne da so to vsi bili rusi, vseeno nekaj jih je bilo. Kam so jih šteli? med potrošni material?
Jazon ::
@damirj79
Nehaj spet bluziti. Ta tvoj "kaj če" pristop bazira na tvojih travmatiziranih emocijah, kar pomeni da sploh nisi sposoben niti prebrati napisanega, kaj šele kritično razpravljati, kot večina v tej temi.
Jaz se strinjam z oceno na koncu mojega prispevka.
Nehaj spet bluziti. Ta tvoj "kaj če" pristop bazira na tvojih travmatiziranih emocijah, kar pomeni da sploh nisi sposoben niti prebrati napisanega, kaj šele kritično razpravljati, kot večina v tej temi.
Jaz se strinjam z oceno na koncu mojega prispevka.
damirj79 ::
@damirj79
Nehaj spet bluziti. Ta tvoj "kaj če" pristop bazira na tvojih travmatiziranih emocijah, kar pomeni da sploh nisi sposoben niti prebrati napisanega, kaj šele kritično razpravljati, kot večina v tej temi.
Jaz se strinjam z oceno na koncu mojega prispevka.
Če bi sploh prebral, kar si napisal, potem bi se še strinjal, da me lahko kakorkoli označiš kot whataboutista ali nesposobnega ali kaj podobnega, ampak ti si spisal citate:
"6.) Američani so podali oceno za rusko stran in sicer 350,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (7.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran so avgusta lani podali oceno 70,000 mrtvih in 100-120,000 ranjenih, (18.8.2023)
7.) Združeno Kraljestvo je podalo oceno za rusko stran in sicer 355,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (3.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran niso podali ocene.
Kar se tiče ZDA in ZK, ta ocena pomojem izvira iz nekega računa (vojaške doktrine), kjer se logistično upošteva število žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih).
Nek upok. am. general je ocenil 3000 žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih) na teden, na ruski strani, na celi fronti. Verjetno zelo kvalitetna ocena."
Zdaj ali ne znaš računat, ali ne znaš brat. Tvoje strinjanje z zadnjim stavkom implicira strinjanje z ocenami pod točko 6 in 7.
whataboutizem zganjaš samo ti, jaz niti nisem uporabil "kaj če"... Ostalo tvoje pametovanje pa si ne zasluži naziva kritična argumentirana razprava, kot sam sebe tako zelo rad povzdiguješ nad ostale, ampak je kvečjemu dno smeti, ki jih beremo na rusofilskih telegramih. Pač pofl pišeš in piši še naprej, saj nisi v rusiji, da bi bil zato obsojen na smrtni spodrs po stopnicah skozi okno.
Jazon ::
Jazon ::
@damirj79
Nehaj spet bluziti. Ta tvoj "kaj če" pristop bazira na tvojih travmatiziranih emocijah, kar pomeni da sploh nisi sposoben niti prebrati napisanega, kaj šele kritično razpravljati, kot večina v tej temi.
Jaz se strinjam z oceno na koncu mojega prispevka.
Če bi sploh prebral, kar si napisal, potem bi se še strinjal, da me lahko kakorkoli označiš kot whataboutista ali nesposobnega ali kaj podobnega, ampak ti si spisal citate:
"6.) Američani so podali oceno za rusko stran in sicer 350,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (7.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran so avgusta lani podali oceno 70,000 mrtvih in 100-120,000 ranjenih, (18.8.2023)
7.) Združeno Kraljestvo je podalo oceno za rusko stran in sicer 355,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (3.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran niso podali ocene.
Kar se tiče ZDA in ZK, ta ocena pomojem izvira iz nekega računa (vojaške doktrine), kjer se logistično upošteva število žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih).
Nek upok. am. general je ocenil 3000 žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih) na teden, na ruski strani, na celi fronti. Verjetno zelo kvalitetna ocena."
Zdaj ali ne znaš računat, ali ne znaš brat. Tvoje strinjanje z zadnjim stavkom implicira strinjanje z ocenami pod točko 6 in 7.
whataboutizem zganjaš samo ti, jaz niti nisem uporabil "kaj če"... Ostalo tvoje pametovanje pa si ne zasluži naziva kritična argumentirana razprava, kot sam sebe tako zelo rad povzdiguješ nad ostale, ampak je kvečjemu dno smeti, ki jih beremo na rusofilskih telegramih. Pač pofl pišeš in piši še naprej, saj nisi v rusiji, da bi bil zato obsojen na smrtni spodrs po stopnicah skozi okno.
@damirj79
Tvoj kompas je očitno tako skrenil, da je vprašanje če sploh najdeš do sekreta, ob vseh nesmislih, ki jih pišeš. Podobno kot pri tvojem bluzenju o svastiki - kaj bi sploh rad dokazal?
Še enkrat zate in za ostale, ki imate težavo z bralnim razumevanjem:
1.) Od vseh točk sem v ZADNJEM ODSTAVKU jasno izpostavil oceni ZDA in ZK;
2.) Pojasnil od kje menim, da ocena izvira;
3.) Pred časom sem poslušal upokojenega ameriškega generala;
4.) Na hitro poračunal, in se z oceno strinjal.
Račun, če upoštevamo oceno generala:
cca 750 dni / 7 dni (teden) => 107,14 tednov x 3000 žrtev /teden = 321,450 žrtev (mrtvi in ranjeni) na ruski strani.
Nisi dorasel, to je tvoj problem.
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damirj79 ::
@damirj79
Nehaj spet bluziti. Ta tvoj "kaj če" pristop bazira na tvojih travmatiziranih emocijah, kar pomeni da sploh nisi sposoben niti prebrati napisanega, kaj šele kritično razpravljati, kot večina v tej temi.
Jaz se strinjam z oceno na koncu mojega prispevka.
Če bi sploh prebral, kar si napisal, potem bi se še strinjal, da me lahko kakorkoli označiš kot whataboutista ali nesposobnega ali kaj podobnega, ampak ti si spisal citate:
"6.) Američani so podali oceno za rusko stran in sicer 350,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (7.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran so avgusta lani podali oceno 70,000 mrtvih in 100-120,000 ranjenih, (18.8.2023)
7.) Združeno Kraljestvo je podalo oceno za rusko stran in sicer 355,000 mrtvih in ranjenih. (3.3.2024)
Za ukrajinsko stran niso podali ocene.
Kar se tiče ZDA in ZK, ta ocena pomojem izvira iz nekega računa (vojaške doktrine), kjer se logistično upošteva število žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih).
Nek upok. am. general je ocenil 3000 žrtev (mrtvih in ranjenih) na teden, na ruski strani, na celi fronti. Verjetno zelo kvalitetna ocena."
Zdaj ali ne znaš računat, ali ne znaš brat. Tvoje strinjanje z zadnjim stavkom implicira strinjanje z ocenami pod točko 6 in 7.
whataboutizem zganjaš samo ti, jaz niti nisem uporabil "kaj če"... Ostalo tvoje pametovanje pa si ne zasluži naziva kritična argumentirana razprava, kot sam sebe tako zelo rad povzdiguješ nad ostale, ampak je kvečjemu dno smeti, ki jih beremo na rusofilskih telegramih. Pač pofl pišeš in piši še naprej, saj nisi v rusiji, da bi bil zato obsojen na smrtni spodrs po stopnicah skozi okno.
@damirj79
Tvoj kompas je očitno tako skrenil, da je vprašanje če sploh najdeš do sekreta, ob vseh nesmislih, ki jih pišeš. Podobno kot pri tvojem bluzenju o svastiki - kaj bi sploh rad dokazal?
Še enkrat zate in za ostale, ki imate težavo z bralnim razumevanjem:
1.) Od vseh točk sem v ZADNJEM ODSTAVKU jasno izpostavil oceni ZDA in ZK;
2.) Pojasnil od kje menim, da ocena izvira;
3.) Pred časom sem poslušal upokojenega ameriškega generala;
4.) Na hitro poračunal, in se z oceno strinjal.
Račun, če upoštevamo oceno generala:
cca 750 dni / 7 dni (teden) => 107,14 tednov x 3000 žrtev /teden = 321,450 žrtev (mrtvi in ranjeni) na ruski strani.
Nisi dorasel, to je tvoj problem.
Ne sekiraj se, če samo misliš, da si pameten, pa v resnici nisi. S svastiko si se zaplezal samo ti, saj si videl že sam, da si spisal kup nesmislov v zvezi z naci simbolom in obračal svastike, samo da bi našel nekaj kar ti je ustrezalo, pa si na koncu obupal. To smo uspeli dokazati, tako da nimamo več kaj :D Ostalo tvoje pisanje je pa še daleč od nekega kritičnega argumentiranja, kvečjemu spuščanje na osebni nivo vsakič, ko se nekdo ne strinja s tvojim menjem, ki je kaj, edino pravilno? Se boš moral pa še veliko naučiti v življenju, so ti že pokazali, večkrat.
esel ::
Torej se strinjaš z oceno ZK in ZDA o številu mrtvih in ranjenih Rusov?
Ja.
Številka je grozljiva in ni mi jasno, kdo pri zdravi pameti lahko zagovarja dejanja Putina, ki v smrt zaradi svoje zblaznelosti in napihnjenega ega na tuje pošilja tako količino svojih rojakov.
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damirj79 ::
Torej se strinjaš z oceno ZK in ZDA o številu mrtvih in ranjenih Rusov?
Ja.
Številka je grozljiva in ni mi jasno, kdo pri zdravi pameti lahko zagovarja dejanja Putina, ki v smrt zaradi svoje zblaznelosti in napihnjenega ega na tuje pošilja tako količino svojih rojakov.
Desetletja pranja možganov z ideologijo naredi marsikaj. Pri nas smo to tudi imeli še nedavno in nekateri to še vedno poveličujeoj. To v Rusiji je sedaj je bolj mila oblika le-tega, kje drugje je še huje. To tudi samo dokazuje, da Rusija ne sodi v naš konec sveta in v to obdobje, sej vidiš, da nam je to nekaj nepredstavljivega. V našem koncu, da bi si kdo ustavno priredil zmožnost vladanja neomejeno časa, bi verjetno nekdo že zdavnaj pihnil takega politika, ampak nikoli ne veš, lahko bi bilo enako. Čeprav Putin si ne more ravno privoščiti sprehoda po Mockbi brez straže in to kljub 107% podpori volivcev. Mogoče pa je še kaj upanja za ta narod.
Jazon ::
@damirj79
OK. Simulirajmo da se motim glede tvojih sposobnosti.
Glede na to, da si postal članek na rtvslo, odprl kokice in čakal odziv ruskih študentov.
Daj prosim za napiši, kakšna je tvoja ocena števila žrtev in na čem jo baziraš?
Ali pa saj poskušaj konstruktivno ovreči članek, če se ti zdi številka prenizka ali previsoka.
OK. Simulirajmo da se motim glede tvojih sposobnosti.
Glede na to, da si postal članek na rtvslo, odprl kokice in čakal odziv ruskih študentov.
Daj prosim za napiši, kakšna je tvoja ocena števila žrtev in na čem jo baziraš?
Ali pa saj poskušaj konstruktivno ovreči članek, če se ti zdi številka prenizka ali previsoka.
Bauc ::
Jaz se strinjam z Američani, Britanci ter Jazonom, da na vsakega Ukrajinca padejo dva do trije Rusi.
fur80 ::
@damirj79
OK. Simulirajmo da se motim glede tvojih sposobnosti.
Glede na to, da si postal članek na rtvslo, odprl kokice in čakal odziv ruskih študentov.
Daj prosim za napiši, kakšna je tvoja ocena števila žrtev in na čem jo baziraš?
Ali pa saj poskušaj konstruktivno ovreči članek, če se ti zdi številka prenizka ali previsoka.
Številka je seveda precej večja, če imajo 50 000 identificiranih z imeni in priimki mrtvih vojakov.
Misliš, da so tega Rusa ki gori, že indetificirali in šteli pod mrtvega?
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damirj79 ::
@damirj79
OK. Simulirajmo da se motim glede tvojih sposobnosti.
Glede na to, da si postal članek na rtvslo, odprl kokice in čakal odziv ruskih študentov.
Daj prosim za napiši, kakšna je tvoja ocena števila žrtev in na čem jo baziraš?
Ali pa saj poskušaj konstruktivno ovreči članek, če se ti zdi številka prenizka ali previsoka.
Kaj točno želiš doseči? Če bom napisal nekaj, kar ti bo ustrezalo, bo v redu, če bom napisal nekaj, kar ne bo po tvojem mnenju, ti ne bo OK. To že vemo, da edino pravilno je samo tvoje mnenje. Si se že dokazal v tej luči.
Ampak kokice sem pa res odprl in odziv ruskih študentov (čeprav so nekateri glede na sliko že penzionisti) je milo rečeno bolan.
Pa naj ti bo, s številkami članka se v luči spremnega teksta, kot je napisan, bolj ali manj strinjam. Mislim, da jih veliko več ni, glede na to, da so precej ozko usmerili v to, kaj se šteje kot padle ruske vojake. Kje so plačanci? Kje so tisti, ki niso potrjeni? Kje so vsi ostali, ki so izven teh ozkih parametrov? Če to upoštevamo, smo skoraj zagotovo čez tvoje številke, saj so se že samo uradne mobilizacije ruskotov vrtele pri precej večjih številkah, pa zagotovo ni šlo tu samo zaradi iztrošenosti vojakov, pač pa precej dobre mesoreznice.
TESKAn ::
GDP raste na račun izdelave raket, ki jih potem pošljejo nad ukrajinske elektrarne, bolnišnice, šole...medtem pa ruska mesta plavajo v poplavah.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Bauc ::
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/russia-...
Tole si pa dobro našel. Ven je potrebno potegniti bistvo. Spet se peljejo proti zidu in tiščijo po gasu. Pol bo pa spet jok, da so krivi Američani. Rus se očitno nikoli ne nauči ničesar.
“If you look at Russia, today, production goes up, [for the] military, [and] consumption goes down. And that is pretty much what the Soviet Union used to look like. High level of production, low level of consumption.”
Chalky ::
BREAKING: HOUSE GOP REVEALS $61-BILLION AID PACKAGE FOR UKRAINE | $26-BILLION FOR ISRAEL
Ukraine: $60.84 billion
Israel: $26.38 billion
Taiwan: $8.12 billion
TikTok Ban
REPO Act
Speaker Johnson: "A vote will be held on Saturday."
The draft law on aid to Ukraine orders the US president to provide ATACMS missiles - the texts have already been published on the website of the House of Representatives
o 61 billion dollars will be allocated, including 23 billion dollars for replenishment of US arsenals;
o Assistance is planned to be provided on a credit basis;
o The confiscation of assets of the Russian Federation to cover these costs is foreseen;
o The bill also requires the State Department and the Pentagon to submit a US strategy for supporting Ukraine within 45 days.
Ukraine: $60.84 billion
Israel: $26.38 billion
Taiwan: $8.12 billion
TikTok Ban
REPO Act
Speaker Johnson: "A vote will be held on Saturday."
The draft law on aid to Ukraine orders the US president to provide ATACMS missiles - the texts have already been published on the website of the House of Representatives
o 61 billion dollars will be allocated, including 23 billion dollars for replenishment of US arsenals;
o Assistance is planned to be provided on a credit basis;
o The confiscation of assets of the Russian Federation to cover these costs is foreseen;
o The bill also requires the State Department and the Pentagon to submit a US strategy for supporting Ukraine within 45 days.
Comandante ::
"A vote will be held on Saturday."
Boljse po 6 mesecih kot nikoli, I guess. Tole jajcanje je bilo povsem nepotrebno, in je Ukrajino stalo par mest, elektrarn, in mnogo zivljenj.
Po drugi strani pa ok za EU, da smo se malo streznili, in ugotovili, da bomo tudi sami morali malo zaceti migati na podrocju lastne obrambne industrije.
TESKAn ::
Meh, do sobote je še nekaj časa, bomo vidli kaj bo.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
fur80 ::
Comandante je izjavil:
"A vote will be held on Saturday."
Boljse po 6 mesecih kot nikoli, I guess. Tole jajcanje je bilo povsem nepotrebno, in je Ukrajino stalo par mest, elektrarn, in mnogo zivljenj.
Po drugi strani pa ok za EU, da smo se malo streznili, in ugotovili, da bomo tudi sami morali malo zaceti migati na podrocju lastne obrambne industrije.
Mogoče res malo namerno zavlačujejo, da se bodo Švabi izprsili in da jih je malo zaskrbelo.
Pac-Man ::
to, diplomacija & državna varnost pri WaPo
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/...
in to, video
https://twitter.com/GorillaOSINT/status...
Sonce na obzorju, ampak dokler ne bo Bidnovega podpisa se nočem veselit.
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/...
Just spoke with Matt Gaetz, who just got off the phone with Speaker Johnson. Gaetz said he now anticipates that Ukraine aid will pass — an outcome he has long sought to avoid. He expressed dismay given his influential role in delaying aid thus far. “This was abject surrender."
When asked if he would seek to oust Johnson, Gaetz said he continues to harbor “concerns that a motion to vacate” will result in a Democratic speaker of the House.
in to, video
https://twitter.com/GorillaOSINT/status...
The obligatory are we back?/how sad is Matt Gaetz?chart
Sonce na obzorju, ampak dokler ne bo Bidnovega podpisa se nočem veselit.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
FireSnake ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
Trenutno sem v Kopru na športnem dogodku kjer je tudi 200 Ukrajincev.
Tele številke bodo držale. S tem, da mi kolegi iz Ukrajine pravijo, da je popolnoma ista številka na njihovi strani.
Ja, milijon Slovanov.
So pa že počasi siti tudi Američanov, ker se zavedajo, da jih počasi kuhajo.
Glede naborništva, sem že govoril, vse vzamejo, tudi mentalno prizadete.
Mojega kolega (ja, kolega, pozanama se 17 let) z obema umetnina kolenoma in umetnim kolkom kanijo potegniti na fronto.
Mediji o žrtvah lažejo. In to vsi.
Malo mi je čudno, tako razgledani so vsi tu gori, toliko potujete a ljudi na terenu pa ne poznate. Kako to?
Vedno bolj se mi zdi, da je tale forum poln kawč majstrov, ki samo nabijajo. V eno ali drugo smer.
Za kateri dogodek gre si lahko pogledate na internetu (če ni še to preveč za pajace, ki bodo prijavili, da je vse skupaj plod moje domišljije - že videno).
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Gregor P ::
Torej oni so v vojni, ti se pa čudiš, da nabirajo ljudi za vojsko?
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
FireSnake ::
Beri malo nazaj, kaj se je tu pisalo.
In to dvoje malo poveži.
In to dvoje malo poveži.
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BorutO ::
Ni najbolj žalostno to, da ukrajina lovi ljudi, da obdržijo državo, bolj je moteče to, da rusija more loviti ljudi za vojno, ki jo napada. Se pravi, šli so v vojno po lastni logistični in strateški napaki.
Bauc ::
Na RTVSLO so objavili članek, da naj bi bilo v vojni z ukrajino ubitih več kot 500.000 ruskih vojakov, ampak v to niso še všteti čisto vsi:
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...
Kokice imam, čakamo komentarje ruskih študentov.
Trenutno sem v Kopru na športnem dogodku kjer je tudi 200 Ukrajincev.
Tele številke bodo držale. S tem, da mi kolegi iz Ukrajine pravijo, da je popolnoma ista številka na njihovi strani.
Ja, milijon Slovanov.
So pa že počasi siti tudi Američanov, ker se zavedajo, da jih počasi kuhajo.
Glede naborništva, sem že govoril, vse vzamejo, tudi mentalno prizadete.
Mojega kolega (ja, kolega, pozanama se 17 let) z obema umetnina kolenoma in umetnim kolkom kanijo potegniti na fronto.
Mediji o žrtvah lažejo. In to vsi.
Malo mi je čudno, tako razgledani so vsi tu gori, toliko potujete a ljudi na terenu pa ne poznate. Kako to?
Vedno bolj se mi zdi, da je tale forum poln kawč majstrov, ki samo nabijajo. V eno ali drugo smer.
Za kateri dogodek gre si lahko pogledate na internetu (če ni še to preveč za pajace, ki bodo prijavili, da je vse skupaj plod moje domišljije - že videno).
Tisto o mentalno prizadetih se je izkazalo, da so fake ruski posnetki. To, da ima nekdo slutnjo, da ga kanijo potegnit na fronto je irelevantna informacija. Jaz tudi osebno poznam ruski par, ki trdi, da bo Putin uničil Rusijo ampak tega mišljenja ne morem preslikat na celotno rusko populacijo. Za mrtve Slovane se pa lahko zahvališ Rusom.
Okapi ::
Bauc ::
Mojega kolega (ja, kolega, pozanama se 17 let) z obema umetnina kolenoma in umetnim kolkom kanijo potegniti na fronto.
Saj menda ne pričakuješ resno, da ti bo kdo verjel, ne?
Nekateri verjamejo, da na fronto pošiljajo ljudi, ki imajo downov sindrom tako, da očitno človeška naivnost ne pozna meja.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Bauc ()
Pac-Man ::
Malo mi je čudno, tako razgledani so vsi tu gori, toliko potujete a ljudi na terenu pa ne poznate. Kako to?
Malo mi je čudno, da vse rusofile redno skrbi za usodo Ukrajincev, ruski kakonfuter jih pa bolj malo briga. Kako to?
V drugih novicah, nit, gre v zelo čudne (ali pač ne?) konce. Če najdem threadreader link ga prilepim
https://twitter.com/DavidPuente/status/...
Do you remember the hoax of the 300 kg of cocaine from Argentina to Ukraine by Zelensky? One of the sites that published this fake news was "The Boston Times". This fake newspaper (hosted in Russia) has published one more: «New Evidence Emerges of Ukraine’s Horrific “Forced Fertilization” Program, Inspired by Nazi Lebensborn».
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.