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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

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ZDA več kot očitno želijo dolgo vojno, ker dajejo pomoč po delčkih in bi enaka količina moči, ampak hitreje, vojno konkretno skrajšala.

Rusija po drugi strani nima izbire, torej ne da si želijo dolgo vojno, enostavno niso zmožni česarkoli drugega kot počasne dolge vojna. Je prvi mesec vojne to pokazal.



Logično, zakaj bi hitro končali vojno, če zahodne vojaške industrije prehajajo na polno zmogljivost. Kdo bo potem porabil vso narejeno orožje? Spet bi prišlo do odpuščanja in zapiranja vojaških industrij.


Tvoje razmišljanje je kar zanimivo, zakaj bi vlagali v elektrifikacijo prometa in v razvoj AI robotov, če lahko proizvajamo granate in pobijamo Ruse?

P.S. nisem siguren če mi je sarkazem detektor zatajil...


Zakaj? Če gre veliko več denarja čez orožarske industrije, tudi na AI razvoju se dela na polno za vojaške potrebe in še resnični poligon za testiranje imajo v UA.

Lahko preposto zapustijo Ukrajino in jih ne bodo pobijali.

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Bauc ::

Takle mamo. Nekatere ne motijo ruske granate, ki pobijajo Ukrajince,motijo jih pa granate, ki pobijajo Ruse, da ne morejo pobijati Ukrajincev. Pri posilstvu bi verjetno pomagali posiljevalcu, da bi lažje ukrotili žensko. Kao, da bo čimprej konec.

Nikec3 ::

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Saj ni res, pa je.

Nekateri Rusi pravijo, da se s tem stresom spopadajo tako, da "se ne pogovarjajo, ne gledajo in ne poslušajo" poročil o Ukrajini.

Well, morda pa ni tako slabo, da Ukrajina nad Moskvo pošilja drone. Preprečuje rusom, da bi tiščali glavo v pesek.
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Kayzon ::

Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...

fur80 ::

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Imaš kakšne boljše podatke za število vojakov.

Ker beseda bedarija, ni pravi odgovor.


Človek manjka ti malo zdrave kmečke pameti.

Rusi so v prvih mesecih na fronti samo z 160-190k profesionalne vojske brez nabornikov na fronti napredovali naprej, zasedali mesta po celi dolžini fronte. Ukrajinci, ki naj bi imeli po tvoje imeli neko ogromno armado pa jih niso bili sposobni ustaviti?

Sedaj, ko so Ukrajinci kao "izubili 400k vojakov", Rusi pa dodatno mobilizirali 500k nabornikov pa Rusi ne morejo zasesti niti ene vasice več?

Se ti to kar trdiš zdi logično?



In spet uleti zmajc s svojim pisanjem.

Na zacetku vojne je bil prisoten določen del presenečenja, da so RU napadli UA. UA vojska ni bila strateško postavljena (kaj ti pomaga 700k vojske po celi UA, ki je ogromna), da bi ustavila RU na meji, zato so RU (ti pišeš 160-190 k vojaki) lahko prodrli daleč v UA. S tem da je potrebno vedeti, to so bile v glavnem motorizirane kolone, ki so peljale naprej, brez utrjevanja položajev na zasedenem ozemlju. Imam občutek, da je bil namen prestrašiti UA politični vrh, da bi pobegnil iz države, kar se ni zgodilo.

UA so imeli kar naprej vpoklice v vojsko, koliko je vprašanje. Tisto o 400k padlih UA vojakih je objavil tudi UA vir, drugače so ocene 350-400k, ampak tega ne boš bral v zahodnih MSM.
RU so uradno imeli vpoklic 300k vojakov + redno služenje, tako naj bi sedaj imeli na voljo okrog 700k vojakov oz. vojaškega osebja. nekaj 100k RU vojakov naj bi čakalo na Z RU in si čohalo j*jc*.

Pravih številk ne bomo vedeli dokler traja vojna.


Verjetno ne bereš ruskih blogerjev? Rusi jamrajo, da nimajo rotacij na fronti, medtem ko Ukrajinci redno rotirajo, da spočijejo svoje vojake. Kaj ti to pove? Verjetno, da je mrtvih veliko več Rusov kot si mi lahko mislimo.

Dati življenje za neodvisno državo, družino za prihodnost, ali dati živjenje za vrečo krompirja in 2 litra olja je pa tudi razlika.

Ukrajinci so Ruse mogli spustiti v državo. Branjenje mej bi bil njihov samomor! To smo tudu menda že enih 5X predebatirali tukaj.

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fur80 ::

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Točno tako je, ZDA si želijo dolgo vojno in izolirati EU od Azije ter obdržati EU pod svojo kontrolo.

Čakaj, dajmo najprej nekaj razčistit. Kako točno USA podaljšuje vojno?

A tako da sili Ukrajince naj ne predajo svojega ozemlja Rusom za nobeno ceno? V tem primeru prašam, s čim jih v to sili?

Al mogoče podkupujejo Ruse, da ostajajo vkopani za miniranim pasom, da počasi ali sploh ne rotirajo, in da žrtvujejo čim več svojih vojakov, da bi čim dlje ostalo tako?


Zelenski je bil marca pripravljen sprejeti sporazum z Rusi. Potem je pa uletel Boris Johnson in prepričal Zelenskega v nadaljevanje vojne. To je povedal bivši izraelski premier Bennett, ki je posredoval v pogajanjih.

To je direkten dokaz, da si Zahod želi oslabiti Rusijo, za usodo Ukrajie in Ukrajincev pa jih skrbi ravno toliko kot za Iračane in Afganistance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-6...

Ukraine's president has said his government is prepared to discuss adopting a neutral status as part of a peace deal with Russia.

In an interview with independent Russian journalists, Volodymyr Zelensky said any such deal would have to be put to a referendum in Ukraine.

He has made similar comments before, but rarely so forcefully.

The news comes as the negotiations between the two countries are set to resume this week in Turkey.

"Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it. This is the most important point," Mr Zelensky said in the 90-minute video call.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."


Zelenski se je hotel dobiti z Putinom takoj na začetku vojne, pa Putler ni hotel sprejeti nobenega, še Macrona je odpikal in se ni javljal na telefon. Potem so se začela pogajanja, najprej v Belorusiji in Turčiji, kjer so Rusi vztrajali, da se Putin nima kaj pogovarjati z Zelenskim dokler ne sprejmejo vse pogoje, ki so jih Ukrajinci potem pokazali in so bili za njih nesprejemljivi! Podpisati bi morali kapitulacijo... Rusi so tudi javno rekli, da lahko Putler pride samo podpisat ta list, če Zelenski želi.
Tako je bilo to predstavljeno Ukrajincem in ljudem po svetu iz stani Ukrajine in Rusije. In sedaj ti trdiš, oz. da je ta rekel da je Zelenski hotel podpisati kapitulacijo, USA pa tega ni pustila?
Kaj ni logično, da če se Ukrajinci ne bi hoteli boriti, da jih nobeden ne more prepričat, da se morajo in Ukrajinci se niso samo borili, pač pa se borijo fanatično!

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Bauc ::

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Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...

Nobenega normalnega ne zanimajo 4chan nazi zavaljeni amerikanci. Razen tebe očitno.

-kekec- ::

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Točno tako je, ZDA si želijo dolgo vojno in izolirati EU od Azije ter obdržati EU pod svojo kontrolo.

Čakaj, dajmo najprej nekaj razčistit. Kako točno USA podaljšuje vojno?

A tako da sili Ukrajince naj ne predajo svojega ozemlja Rusom za nobeno ceno? V tem primeru prašam, s čim jih v to sili?

Al mogoče podkupujejo Ruse, da ostajajo vkopani za miniranim pasom, da počasi ali sploh ne rotirajo, in da žrtvujejo čim več svojih vojakov, da bi čim dlje ostalo tako?


Zelenski je bil marca pripravljen sprejeti sporazum z Rusi. Potem je pa uletel Boris Johnson in prepričal Zelenskega v nadaljevanje vojne. To je povedal bivši izraelski premier Bennett, ki je posredoval v pogajanjih.

To je direkten dokaz, da si Zahod želi oslabiti Rusijo, za usodo Ukrajie in Ukrajincev pa jih skrbi ravno toliko kot za Iračane in Afganistance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-6...

Ukraine's president has said his government is prepared to discuss adopting a neutral status as part of a peace deal with Russia.

In an interview with independent Russian journalists, Volodymyr Zelensky said any such deal would have to be put to a referendum in Ukraine.

He has made similar comments before, but rarely so forcefully.

The news comes as the negotiations between the two countries are set to resume this week in Turkey.

"Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it. This is the most important point," Mr Zelensky said in the 90-minute video call.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."


Zelenski se je hotel dobiti z Putinom takoj na začetku vojne, pa Putler ni hotel sprejeti nobenega, še Macrona je odpikal in se ni javljal na telefon. Potem so se začela pogajanja, najprej v Belorusiji in Turčiji, kjer so Rusi vztrajali, da se Putin nima kaj pogovarjati z Zelenskim dokler ne sprejmejo vse pogoje, ki so jih Ukrajinci potem pokazali in so bili za njih nesprejemljivi! Podpisati bi morali kapitulacijo... Rusi so tudi javno rekli, da lahko Putler pride samo podpisat ta list, če Zelenski želi.
Tako je bilo to predstavljeno Ukrajincem in ljudem po svetu iz stani Ukrajine in Rusije. In sedaj ti trdiš, oz. da je ta rekel da je Zelenski hotel podpisati kapitulacijo?


Jest sem podal izjave Zelenskega, ki se je bil pripravljen pogajati za nevtralen status Ukrajine. Podal sem tudi izjavo Bennetta, ki je posredoval pogajanja in je izjavil da so pogajanja prekinili, ker se je odločil Zahod, da bo uničil Putina.

Iz katerih virov pa izhajajo tvoje teorije?

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fur80 ::

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Točno tako je, ZDA si želijo dolgo vojno in izolirati EU od Azije ter obdržati EU pod svojo kontrolo.

Čakaj, dajmo najprej nekaj razčistit. Kako točno USA podaljšuje vojno?

A tako da sili Ukrajince naj ne predajo svojega ozemlja Rusom za nobeno ceno? V tem primeru prašam, s čim jih v to sili?

Al mogoče podkupujejo Ruse, da ostajajo vkopani za miniranim pasom, da počasi ali sploh ne rotirajo, in da žrtvujejo čim več svojih vojakov, da bi čim dlje ostalo tako?


Zelenski je bil marca pripravljen sprejeti sporazum z Rusi. Potem je pa uletel Boris Johnson in prepričal Zelenskega v nadaljevanje vojne. To je povedal bivši izraelski premier Bennett, ki je posredoval v pogajanjih.

To je direkten dokaz, da si Zahod želi oslabiti Rusijo, za usodo Ukrajie in Ukrajincev pa jih skrbi ravno toliko kot za Iračane in Afganistance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-6...

Ukraine's president has said his government is prepared to discuss adopting a neutral status as part of a peace deal with Russia.

In an interview with independent Russian journalists, Volodymyr Zelensky said any such deal would have to be put to a referendum in Ukraine.

He has made similar comments before, but rarely so forcefully.

The news comes as the negotiations between the two countries are set to resume this week in Turkey.

"Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it. This is the most important point," Mr Zelensky said in the 90-minute video call.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."


Zelenski se je hotel dobiti z Putinom takoj na začetku vojne, pa Putler ni hotel sprejeti nobenega, še Macrona je odpikal in se ni javljal na telefon. Potem so se začela pogajanja, najprej v Belorusiji in Turčiji, kjer so Rusi vztrajali, da se Putin nima kaj pogovarjati z Zelenskim dokler ne sprejmejo vse pogoje, ki so jih Ukrajinci potem pokazali in so bili za njih nesprejemljivi! Podpisati bi morali kapitulacijo... Rusi so tudi javno rekli, da lahko Putler pride samo podpisat ta list, če Zelenski želi.
Tako je bilo to predstavljeno Ukrajincem in ljudem po svetu iz stani Ukrajine in Rusije. In sedaj ti trdiš, oz. da je ta rekel da je Zelenski hotel podpisati kapitulacijo?


Jest sem podal izjave Zelenskega, ki se je bil pripravljen pogajati za nevtralen status Ukrajine. Podal sem tudi izjavo Bennetta, ki je posredoval pogajanja in je izjavil da so pogajanja prekinili, ker se je odločil Zahod, da bo uničil Putina.

Iz katerih virov pa izhajajo tvoje teorije?


Nagovore Zelenskega, tiskovne konference, pogajanja in potočila iz Turčije, prve dni iz Belorusije smo gledali vsi, še debatirali smo na veliko, tudi to, da je bilo Abramoviču slabo in če so ga zastrupili.
Zelenski je takrat na tiskovkah zatrjeval, da si želi in prepričeval Putlerja, da se začneta pogovarjat ena na ena, Rusi takrat, predvsem Lavrov je hodil z tistim listom na TV in zatrjeval, da lahko to Putler in Zelenski samo podpišeta in nič druga. Če to pomeni, daje Zelesnki želel podpisati kapitulacijo potem pa ne vem. Ali so Rusi lagali z onim listom in od tega ne odstopajo, pa ne vem.

Putler se takrat na začetku ni javljal nobenemu, ko so ga vsi klicali. Verjetno si ga je metal na samega sebe kako je velik in pomemben.

Tista zahteva ni bila nevtralen status, pač pa kapitulacija, čista kapitulacija, nevtralnost je pa nekaj drugega.

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Bauc ::

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Točno tako je, ZDA si želijo dolgo vojno in izolirati EU od Azije ter obdržati EU pod svojo kontrolo.

Čakaj, dajmo najprej nekaj razčistit. Kako točno USA podaljšuje vojno?

A tako da sili Ukrajince naj ne predajo svojega ozemlja Rusom za nobeno ceno? V tem primeru prašam, s čim jih v to sili?

Al mogoče podkupujejo Ruse, da ostajajo vkopani za miniranim pasom, da počasi ali sploh ne rotirajo, in da žrtvujejo čim več svojih vojakov, da bi čim dlje ostalo tako?


Zelenski je bil marca pripravljen sprejeti sporazum z Rusi. Potem je pa uletel Boris Johnson in prepričal Zelenskega v nadaljevanje vojne. To je povedal bivši izraelski premier Bennett, ki je posredoval v pogajanjih.

To je direkten dokaz, da si Zahod želi oslabiti Rusijo, za usodo Ukrajie in Ukrajincev pa jih skrbi ravno toliko kot za Iračane in Afganistance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-6...

Ukraine's president has said his government is prepared to discuss adopting a neutral status as part of a peace deal with Russia.

In an interview with independent Russian journalists, Volodymyr Zelensky said any such deal would have to be put to a referendum in Ukraine.

He has made similar comments before, but rarely so forcefully.

The news comes as the negotiations between the two countries are set to resume this week in Turkey.

"Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it. This is the most important point," Mr Zelensky said in the 90-minute video call.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."


Zelenski se je hotel dobiti z Putinom takoj na začetku vojne, pa Putler ni hotel sprejeti nobenega, še Macrona je odpikal in se ni javljal na telefon. Potem so se začela pogajanja, najprej v Belorusiji in Turčiji, kjer so Rusi vztrajali, da se Putin nima kaj pogovarjati z Zelenskim dokler ne sprejmejo vse pogoje, ki so jih Ukrajinci potem pokazali in so bili za njih nesprejemljivi! Podpisati bi morali kapitulacijo... Rusi so tudi javno rekli, da lahko Putler pride samo podpisat ta list, če Zelenski želi.
Tako je bilo to predstavljeno Ukrajincem in ljudem po svetu iz stani Ukrajine in Rusije. In sedaj ti trdiš, oz. da je ta rekel da je Zelenski hotel podpisati kapitulacijo?


Jest sem podal izjave Zelenskega, ki se je bil pripravljen pogajati za nevtralen status Ukrajine. Podal sem tudi izjavo Bennetta, ki je posredoval pogajanja in je izjavil da so pogajanja prekinili, ker se je odločil Zahod, da bo uničil Putina.

Iz katerih virov pa izhajajo tvoje teorije?

Zdaj še pa podaj izjavo, da je bil pripravljen demitalizirati Ukrajino in predati zasedena ozemlja. Kot ponavadi spet goniš rusko propagando v upanju, da ne bo nihče preveril tvojih "virov".

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-...

In the interview, Bennett himself notes that it was not the US, France, or Germany that put an end to any peace talks. Rather, it was Russia slaughtering hundreds of civilians in a town outside the Ukrainian capital, a war crime discovered just about a month after the full-scale invasion began.

"The Bucha massacre, once that happened, I said: 'It's over,'" Bennett recalled.

-kekec- ::

To je bil drugi intervju, ko je pogruntal, da je preveč povedal in se vlači nazaj.

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement

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Bauc ::

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To je bil drugi intervju, ko je pogruntal, da je preveč povedal in se vlači nazaj.

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement

A si sploh prebral? Tudi v originalu ni nikoli trdil,da je zahod blokiral pogajanja. Ruska propaganda je kot vedno potegnila nekaj izven konteksta. Ti pa seveda to pol goniš. Podobno kot izrezani izsek iz govora Zelenskega, da se bodo američani morali boriti. Rekel je, da v primeru napada na baltske države ti si nam pa prodajal, da v Ukrajini.

fur80 ::

-kekec- je izjavil:

To je bil drugi intervju, ko je pogruntal, da je preveč povedal in se vlači nazaj.

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement


Ne vem kako si ti predstavljaš to, ampak Rusi so bili že v Ukrajini in napadali na polno. Niso najprej Rusi dali zahteve, USA je blokirala in potem napadli. Pogajanja so prišla potem. So pa sigurno Ukrajinci premlevali vse možnosti tudi to o kapitulaciji.

In komu bodo Ukrajinci bolj verjeli Rusom, ki so jim rekli prej, da jih nikoli ne bi in ne bodo napadli ali USA, ki jih je svaril, da se pripravlja napad?
In sedaj naj bi kar naenkrat verjeli Putinu vse podpisali?

Kayzon ::

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Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...

Nobenega normalnega ne zanimajo 4chan nazi zavaljeni amerikanci. Razen tebe očitno.



Haha,ni cudno da imate tak nivo debate ce pa sledite uradni propagandi.

Bauc ::

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Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...

Nobenega normalnega ne zanimajo 4chan nazi zavaljeni amerikanci. Razen tebe očitno.



Haha,ni cudno da imate tak nivo debate ce pa sledite uradni propagandi.

Ti pa slediš 4chan židovskim teorijam zarote in kimaš zavaljenim ameriškim nazijem. Nivo debate na višku.

fur80 ::

Kayzon je izjavil:

Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...


3 zasede iz gozda, v 1,5 let vojne na tisočih kvadratov kilometrov ozemlja in na 100 000 vojakov? In kaj naj bi to pomenilo, da smo mislili da Ukrajinci ne umirajo? Imaš kontra ne vem koliko posnetkov, če se boš malo potrudil. Veliko je tudi fake posnetkov, nastavljenih iz ujetnikov, zrežirane. Kot skupine vojakov bentijo čez svojo vojsko, tako Rusi kot Ukrajinci, nad slabimi pogoji, v rokah pa nima niti eden orožja, itd..

Če bi nas res hotel prizadeti in povzročit bolečino, daj gor umrle Ukrajinske otroke zaradi bomb, tam boš pa naredil svoj učinek.

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gozdar1 ::

Kar naenkrat našli staro zalogo :)).
A surprising discovery could also ease the administration's choice to send the weapons: The U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed, the two officials told ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send...

Nikec3 ::

Iz tega članka:
Russian lines more than expected in its ongoing counteroffensive, political pressure in Washington over sending military aid has increased -- along with a desire to see more progress on the battlefield.

Zato Rusija te vojne ne more dobit. Bolj kot se Ukrajinci mučijo, več orožja bodo dobili.
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

-kekec- ::

Bauc je izjavil:

-kekec- je izjavil:

To je bil drugi intervju, ko je pogruntal, da je preveč povedal in se vlači nazaj.

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement

A si sploh prebral? Tudi v originalu ni nikoli trdil,da je zahod blokiral pogajanja. Ruska propaganda je kot vedno potegnila nekaj izven konteksta. Ti pa seveda to pol goniš. Podobno kot izrezani izsek iz govora Zelenskega, da se bodo američani morali boriti. Rekel je, da v primeru napada na baltske države ti si nam pa prodajal, da v Ukrajini.


V prvem intervjuju izrecno reče, da se je zahod odločil, da bodo raje uničili Rusijo in so zato prekinili mirovna pogajanja.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."

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Tidule ::

Kaka mirovna pogajanja? To kar so Rusi pricakoval je bila kapitulacija. In edino pravilno da so Ukrajincem svetovali da tega ne sprejmejo. Sploh, ko se je ze v prvih tednih pokazalo, da je ruska vojska nesosobna in ne bodo zmozni okupirat niti polovice 20x manse drzave.

Bauc ::

-kekec- je izjavil:

Bauc je izjavil:

-kekec- je izjavil:

To je bil drugi intervju, ko je pogruntal, da je preveč povedal in se vlači nazaj.

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement

A si sploh prebral? Tudi v originalu ni nikoli trdil,da je zahod blokiral pogajanja. Ruska propaganda je kot vedno potegnila nekaj izven konteksta. Ti pa seveda to pol goniš. Podobno kot izrezani izsek iz govora Zelenskega, da se bodo američani morali boriti. Rekel je, da v primeru napada na baltske države ti si nam pa prodajal, da v Ukrajini.


V prvem intervjuju izrecno reče, da se je zahod odločil, da bodo raje uničili Rusijo in so zato prekinili mirovna pogajanja.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-02-06/I...

Bennett said that during his mediation, Zelenskyy promised not to join NATO and Putin dropped his main goals of special military operations: seeking "disarmament" and "denazification" of Ukraine, adding in his impression, both Russia and Ukraine want a ceasefire and have drawn about seventeen or eighteen ceasefire drafts, but at some point, the West decided "to crush (Russian President Vladimir) Putin rather than to negotiate."

A si zabit?

The English subtitles are flawed, however. In the exchange, Bennett and the interviewer do not use the word "blocked" but rather "stopped," referring to ongoing peace talks, not an agreement.

-kekec- ::

Včeraj je pa še Stoltenberg priznal, da bi lahko vojno preprečili, če bi se zavezali, da se Nato ne bo več širil. Seveda se Nato s tem ni strinjal, Zahod je hotel to vojno da bi oslabil Rusijo.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opin...

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

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Bauc ::

-kekec- je izjavil:

Včeraj je pa še Stoltenberg priznal, da bi lahko vojno preprečili, če bi se zavezali, da se Nato ne bo več širil. Seveda se Nato s tem ni strinjal, Zahod je hotel to vojno da bi oslabil Rusijo.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opin...

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

Daj še prilepi ostalo.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

Gregor P ::

Vsaka nova članica NATO, vključno z Ukrajino, je zmaga za Slovenijo; tako da Slovenci komaj čakamo, da se nam priključi še Ukrajina.:)
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You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Sheteentz ::

Vsako državo, ki na kakršen koli način sosednji državi vsiljuje doktrino, ki ni kompatibilna s temeljnimi evropskimi načeli, je pač potrebno brez milosti izbrisati. Rusija se je odločila, da bo izbrisana. Tukaj ne sme biti milosti. Svoboda medijev in kritičnega razmisleka in javnega izražanja sta pač po moje sveti kravi. Bi Putler toleriral kolesarske proteste po rdečem trgu? Vsi vemo, da jih ne bi. In zdaj želi ta sistem vrednot, to greznico vsega, kar je žalitev človekovega obstoja, razširiti na še eno državo proti zahodu. Kdor to podpira, je kratko malo totalno fuknjen v glavo, drugače se to ne da izrazit. Seveda so tile fuknjenci zamaskirani v neka abotna načela svetovne enakopravnosti velesil, pa pravičnosti po načelu 'če Janez lahko pretepa ženo, naj bo to dovoljeno tudi Vladotu'. Ampak v bistvu so možgani teh fuknjencev pravzaprav žalitev inteligence in kritičnega razmisleka.

Res škoda, da ne živimo v neki totalitarni državi, ki bi logične lapsuse preganjala na podoben način, kot Pulter preganja logiko nasploh. Pa ne mi zdaj prihajati z nebulozami v smislul 'logika ni ena, logik je več'.

Tidule ::

-kekec- je izjavil:

Včeraj je pa še Stoltenberg priznal, da bi lahko vojno preprečili, če bi se zavezali, da se Nato ne bo več širil. Seveda se Nato s tem ni strinjal, Zahod je hotel to vojno da bi oslabil Rusijo.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opin...

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

Torej, ce bi se 3/4 EU mirno podredilo Rusiji, potem ne rabili nikogar napast? Rofl kako bolan moras bit da to zagovarjas?

Bauc ::

Kdo se bo pogajal z tipom, ki se laže hitreje kot bežijo lahi?

https://twitter.com/JackFought_1/status...

yayo ::

fur80 ::

Kayzon je izjavil:

Bauc je izjavil:

Kayzon je izjavil:

Chief of the Polish General Staff, Gen. Raimund Andrzejczak on the difficulties faced by the Ukrainian counteroffensive:

If you look at everything from our, Polish bell tower, then... we've been living there for a thousand years. We know the Russians. So what is happening is not a surprise to us.

The standards of the Russian army and Russian society are completely different and do not fit into the Western matrix. You can't measure Russians by Western standards. Their behavior and what they show on the battlefield and the fact that hardship does not stop them. This is all radically different from the Western model. It is pointless to try to measure them by our standards. They are not applicable to them.


Ali koga zanimajo posnetki kako ruski spetsnazi odstranjujejo ukrajinske specialce?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440...

Nobenega normalnega ne zanimajo 4chan nazi zavaljeni amerikanci. Razen tebe očitno.



Haha,ni cudno da imate tak nivo debate ce pa sledite uradni propagandi.


Kaj pa na to praviš, da Rusi delajo samomore v rovih?

https://twitter.com/herooftheday10/stat...

Machete ::

Star clip.
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Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1...
"The U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed"

ABC writes that this is how the U.S. will explain why it will now send ATACMS to Ukraine despite previously saying it would be impossible.

:D

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Putin's henchman promotes Kremlin's interests in France, corresponds with Le Pen

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T440 ::

Glede prerekanj ZDA - NATO - Rusija:
Zakaj bi kdorkoli pri zdravi pameti podpisoval karkoli s Putinom in pričakoval, da se bo ruska stran napisanega držala?

To je trenutna realnost, zakaj se UKR ne želi pogajati z Rusijo - preprosto ni smiselno, ker so prepričani, da se dogovora (pa kakršenkoli bi že bil) ruska stran ne bo držala.

In ta argument bo veljal vse dotlej dokler se struktura oblasti na ruski strani ne bo korenito spremenila. In to je hkrati tudi odgovor, kako dolgo bo vojna trajala - do smrti nekaterih (trenutno) ključnih oseb v Kremlju.

Lesoto ::

lepo opiše, kaj se dogaja na fronti

https://twitter.com/randymot4/status/17...
The Ukrainian tactics: The Ukrainians take an important objective and then "consolidate." This means that they dig in and prepare for a reflexive Russian counterattack. Being covered by precision fires and cluster munitions, these new positions are very difficult to retake and the Russians' weaknesses in organizing on the fly and coordinating attacks come to bear. This also enables the Ukrainians to inflict a high casualty ratios on the Russians even thought they are on the offense. The strategy of depleting the Russians reduces Ukrainians casualties, but also weakens the Russians for each of the next offensive punches. Russians running out of troops and equipment is more important than their loss of real estate, since they cannot effectively replace those losses.

BorutO ::

-kekec- je izjavil:

Včeraj je pa še Stoltenberg priznal, da bi lahko vojno preprečili, če bi se zavezali, da se Nato ne bo več širil. Seveda se Nato s tem ni strinjal, Zahod je hotel to vojno da bi oslabil Rusijo.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opin...

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

Pa dobro no ... kaj je Biden držal pištolo na čelo putinu, da more zanetiti vojno v Ukrajini ali kako?

Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/170...
A foreign "observer" from #Africa, at gunpoint, assures that everything is fine in the #Russian pseudo-elections and there are no violations.

FireSnake ::

Poglej in se nasmej: vicmaher.si

Bauc ::

FireSnake je izjavil:

https://siol.net/novice/slovenija/vojna...

Menjava pa šiba.

Po večini se je v Rusiji leta 2022 povečalo povpraševanje po zdravilih za povišan krvni tlak.

Pozanimali smo se, ali nam lahko razkrijejo, po katerih zdravilih se je povpraševanje v Rusiji leta 2022 najbolj povečalo. »Sporočamo vam, da je večina povečanja prodaje dosežena z zdravili za zniževanje krvnega tlaka.«

Očitno so Rusi nalezli nezdravega stila življenja in zaradi vojne padli v stres.

prevelika telesna teža,
čezmerno uživanje soli,
čezmerno pitje alkoholnih pijač,
premajhna telesna dejavnost,
izpostavljenost škodljivemu stresu.

Sicer pa.
Uvoz Slovenije iz Rusije se je v prvem letu vojne vrednostno močno povečal, a se je zaradi sankcij do aprila 2023 skoraj ustavil.

Malidelničar ::

Lesoto je izjavil:

lepo opiše, kaj se dogaja na fronti

https://twitter.com/randymot4/status/17...
The Ukrainian tactics: The Ukrainians take an important objective and then "consolidate." This means that they dig in and prepare for a reflexive Russian counterattack. Being covered by precision fires and cluster munitions, these new positions are very difficult to retake and the Russians' weaknesses in organizing on the fly and coordinating attacks come to bear. This also enables the Ukrainians to inflict a high casualty ratios on the Russians even thought they are on the offense. The strategy of depleting the Russians reduces Ukrainians casualties, but also weakens the Russians for each of the next offensive punches. Russians running out of troops and equipment is more important than their loss of real estate, since they cannot effectively replace those losses.


Zanimivo. Pri Verbovem drugače še vedno ni premika fronte, si pa predstavljam pa kar pada po Rusih. Pri Novopokropivki južno pod Robotinem so Rusi ene 3x poizkušali s protinapadom in bili vsakič odbiti.
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Lonsarg ::

Je to se vse ujema z eno analizo Ruske obrambe ki sem jo bral, da je staticna obramba tezka v modernem vojskovanju, predvsem da je tezka za Rusko strukturo in da so se, pravilno, odlocili za agilno obrambo, kjer majhno stevilo enot upocasni napad in nato pride z zakasnitvijo vecje stevilo Rusov v protinapadu na razkrite Ukrajinske enote.

Ta agilnost sicer res mocno upocasnuje Ukrajinske enote (ker morajo kar naprej switchat iz napada v obrambo), ampak ta agilnost pomeni, da so Rusi v konstantnih protinapadih. Po domace Rusi kjub temu da so v obrambi, zaradi te strategije nimajo prednosti v izgubah, ki bi jo naj branilec imel, ker branijo z napadi. Edini staticni del obrambe je bilo 10 kilometrsko minsko polje, ki pa so ga Ukrajinci prebili.

Koncni razplet iz tega sicer ni mogoce sklepati, dejansko gre za atricijsko vojno in je vprasanje komu prej zmanjka.

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sir_mha ::

FireSnake je izjavil:

https://siol.net/novice/slovenija/vojna...

Menjava pa šiba.


Problem slovenije je, da ima izjemno nerealno podobo o sami sebi. Smo toliko majhni, da nas mednarodni medijski prostor praktično ignorira in nam zato nihče ne nastavi ogledala, ko bi moral.

Tale citat:
V Rusijo je Slovenija leta 2021 izvozila za 29 milijonov evrov imunoloških proizvodov, leta 2022 pa se je ta izvoz povečal za skoraj devetkrat na 251 milijonov evrov. ... Imunoloških proizvodov Slovenija ne proizvaja, zato na Umarju ocenjujejo, da je v tem primeru šlo za ponovni izvoz.


V bistvu smo se spet vrnili v naše zlate čase balkanskega preprodajanja, ko so politiki sklenili, da bomo Bosni pomagali z orožjem, da se obrani. Od plemenite ideje potem ni ostalo veliko, zgodba se je razpletla v večkratne provizije, da potem politično obračunavanje za notranje potrebe ne omenjam. Sramota.

Sedaj pa nadaljujemo s staro prakso in uvažamo, prepakiramo tuja zdravila in jih preprodajamo Rusom. Spet smo vojni dobičkarji.

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mikhaair ::

S to razliko, da pri orožju to sklene , stori vlada. Pri potrošniških izdelkih pa je ‘free’ market.

BorutO ::

sir_mha ::

mikhaair je izjavil:

S to razliko, da pri orožju to sklene , stori vlada. Pri potrošniških izdelkih pa je ‘free’ market.


Se strinjam, ni popolnoma primerljivo.

Bi pa potem še dodal opombo, da kaj točno trenutna vlada misli&počne, javnosti ni natačno poznano. Torej te stvari bomo lahko reflektirali šele kasneje.

Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1...

"This happened in July, when the 30th brigade was on the offensive. When the fighters approached the enemy, the enemy noticed this and transmitted it to the head communications center attacking them.
We heard these radio conversations. At this moment, our guys almost reached the hostile fortifications, then Russian artillery began firing at their own positions.

Of course, our guys stopped to wait out the shelling, but it was so intense and prolonged that they waited for almost 2 hours. We thought: "Are the Russians shooting at themselves? We did not give the command for this artillery strike."

Here we were able to intercept their communications and realized that the Russian main communications center could not hear the advanced units, because electronic warfare was suppressing communications.

They could not adjust the fire and thus attacked their positions for two hours, because there was only a distance of 200 meters between their fighters and ours. Thanks to this, we managed to recapture the left side of the forest and the road."

Ukrainian signal soldier. July 2023.

Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/170...

#Russian Foreign Minister #Lavrov: "In the current situation, many billions of rupees have been accumulated, which have not yet found their use. Our Indian friends assured that they will offer promising areas where they can be invested."

Since the beginning of the war, the Russians have announced a policy of "dedollarization" and settlements in national currencies. Petroleum products were sold to India for rupees, which are almost impossible to convert into dollars due to sanctions. The Russians also cannot find a use for the stuck rupees.

Machete ::

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2 M-55S: (1, destroyed) (1, damaged)

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Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1...
Poland has become the first international customer of the USA's new air and missile defense radar.
Poland is buying 12 Lower Tier Air and Missile Defense Sensors (LTAMDS) 350 radars for its 8 batteries of the Patriot Missile Defense System. It's the world's most advanced radar

fur80 ::

Kje je sedaj Rambutan, ki je tukaj zatrjeval da bo Avdiyivka obkiljena in da nam naši mediji lažejo in se ne zavedamo situacije, ker na ruskih telegramih je bilo to že obkroženo in samo še sledi predaja.

Ukrainian defenders advanced against the Russian fascist invaders south of Avdiyivka, in the direction of the ruined Donetsk International Airport. Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at the village of Opytne.
-Vitaliy Barabash, head of Avdiyivka City Military Administration


https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/170085...

Bauc ::

fur80 je izjavil:

Kje je sedaj Rambutan, ki je tukaj zatrjeval da bo Avdiyivka obkiljena in da nam naši mediji lažejo in se ne zavedamo situacije, ker na ruskih telegramih je bilo to že obkroženo in samo še sledi predaja.

Ukrainian defenders advanced against the Russian fascist invaders south of Avdiyivka, in the direction of the ruined Donetsk International Airport. Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at the village of Opytne.
-Vitaliy Barabash, head of Avdiyivka City Military Administration


https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/170085...

Najprej je napovedal, da bosta Kramatorsk in Slavjansk padla do lanske jeseni potem pa do letošnjega poletja. Če daje nasvete za športne stave se splača staviti kontra njegovim napovedim.

Sheteentz ::

fur80 je izjavil:

Kje je sedaj Rambutan

https://slo-tech.com/profili/135545
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