Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

g. Oden je 12. avg 2023 ob 21:07 izjavil:

o0o0o0o0o0 je 12. avg 2023 ob 19:28 izjavil:

Zelo interesantno. Putin je bil 20 let nazaj dobesedno drug človek, nekdo bi celo rekel, da razumen. Kaj se je od takrat spremenilo? Se je pretvarjal?

redtech je 12. avg 2023 ob 20:45 izjavil:

Ne nisem, nafta je bolj dobičkonosna.

avani je 12. avg 2023 ob 22:11 izjavil:

Fantje a ve kdo kaj več kaj se je danes dogajalo z kerskim mostom? Videl sem posnetke mosta v dimu, črnem dimu. Eni pravijo, da so ga Ukrajinci zadeli, drugi pa da so Rusi prestregli napad...

g. Oden je 12. avg 2023 ob 21:07 izjavil:

o0o0o0o0o0 je 12. avg 2023 ob 19:28 izjavil:

Zelo interesantno. Putin je bil 20 let nazaj dobesedno drug človek, nekdo bi celo rekel, da razumen. Kaj se je od takrat spremenilo? Se je pretvarjal?

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In spite of being Bulgarian, Grozev has been indicted by Vladimir Putin’s judicial system as a “foreign agent” — essentially an enemy of Russia with a target on his back. Having weighed up other European options, Grozev concluded that America was the safest place to be. His family remains based in Europe.

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What is clear is that Europe isn’t safe. And I got that message from several European law-enforcement agencies, including in Austria. You have to understand it takes a lot for the Austrians to admit they can’t protect you, so it must be serious.”

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He has twice returned to Austria under heavy protection. On the second visit in March, after his father had died, the police said it was too dangerous for him to go to the funeral. He was only briefly allowed to meet his family with a police chaperone in a Viennese safe house.

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Is Austria the least safe European country? “Yes,” he replies. “While we [Bellingcat] were investigating the Austrians, they were surveilling me and I wasn’t aware of that at the time. They were doing so explicitly at the request of the Russians. That is deep penetration.”

He says the Germans advised him not to settle in Germany. He last visited Germany in 2020 under heavy guard as a witness in the prosecution of a Russian who had assassinated a Chechen exile. “We are also investigating examples of Russian security services penetrating German political circles,” he says. “France, I would not trust them: they don’t even trust themselves. The only place in Europe I can come to safely nowadays is the UK.”

He is still angry, however, at London’s Metropolitan Police for cancelling his and his family’s attendance at the Bafta film awards this year. “Hearing it through the grapevine was offensive,” he says. “If there is also a risk to my family, they should tell me directly.”

Both Turkey and the United Arab Emirates, which is teeming with Russians, are off-limits, he adds. “Dubai is Vienna on the Gulf,” he says. “I have heard this warning from both the Emirates and Turkey — ‘Do not come here. We will try to protect you. We will never extradite you [to Russia]. But we can’t guarantee your safety.’”

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Russia’s slant on the world appears to have penetrated Musk’s mind and he is by far Bellingcat’s most famous detractor. Bellingcat’s Twitter account has periodically disappeared from site searches and Musk himself often retweets conspiracy theories about the group.

“My problem with Musk is that he’s just not smart enough — he reads all this propaganda and is taking it at face value,” Grozev says. “He’s an avid retweeter and reader of @ZeroHedge [a conspiratorial account that Grozev alleges has close ties to RT, formerly Russia Today, a state news network. ZeroHedge denies it has any such ties and says it is rather Bellingcat that publishes “conspiratorial falsehoods”].

“Musk is not very eloquent. He’s so random and you can’t argue with randomness. So fine — it’s petty. We’re joking about it. But Musk is extremely influential. He has a cult following and he’s purveying falsehoods. Because of his image among his followers as someone who knows the truth that others can’t see, he is more dangerous than a Trump.”

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“The Kremlin discovered a long time ago they could exploit this ‘horseshoe coalition’ [where the extremes meet] by obfuscating the fact that Moscow has a far-right government and there is zero socialism in Russia,” Grozev says. “Socialists around the world seem to be oblivious to that. So they are available for free. We only need to bribe the far right in the west because the left is free. They are still our useful idiots.”

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Having so far apparently let Prigozhin off the hook, doesn’t Putin now look weak? “Putin went on TV and called Prigozhin a traitor,” Grozev replies. “Everyone knows what they do with ‘traitors’ and Putin hasn’t done that. He wants to see him dead. He can’t do that yet. In six months Prigozhin will either be dead or there will be a second coup. I’m agnostic between the two but I can’t see neither of these happening.”

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But what could the catalyst be for the next attempt to eject Putin? “It could go one of two ways,” he says. “Either the prisoner’s dilemma can be broken, or they will just get rid of him through a better co-ordinated coup. You don’t have that yet among the oligarchs, or with any of the ministers, or the FSB [Russia’s security service]. But it is unpalatable for the rest of the elite to live in a North Korea 2.1 with their bank accounts frozen. Other triggers could happen. Say a reversal of fortunes on the frontline.”

"Never forget that England forced this war on us," reads a banner above Goebbels' head. When he delivers his speech in 1942. The original from which the Kremlin "concocted" the statement: "The Anglo-Saxons forced us."

If it worked then for the Nazis, then why can't it "work" now with Putin's modern neo-fascists - grateful followers of Hitler's teachings about the "racial superiority of the Ru.- nation over all other nations ?!" debunk this #дезинформацияand #госпропаганда, we are helped by independent media and journalists.

martincek1 je 13. avg 2023 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Članek deluje malce shizofreno.

fur80 je 13. avg 2023 ob 13:20 izjavil:

Zanimivo:

The commander of the reconnaissance group of the regiment 1822 of the RF Armed Forces, Major Tomov, was found. He is in our captivity and leaks all the information

https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/status...

bbbbbb2015 je 13. avg 2023 ob 16:08 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 13. avg 2023 ob 15:58 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 13. avg 2023 ob 12:04 izjavil:

martincek1 je 13. avg 2023 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Članek deluje malce shizofreno.

Ta članek je paranoja posameznika in nič drugega.

Vesta o kom govorimo? Rusom je na glavo zmetal toliko jajc, da so morale kure delat nadure.

Christo Grozev @ Wikipedia

Grozev joined Bellingcat in 2015 as an investigative reporter.[2] Grozev is known for using open-source, social media, and other available data for investigations. He has authored investigations identifying, among others, two senior Russian officers linked to the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014,[8][9] GRU officers involved with the 2016 Montenegrin coup plot,[10][11] the three suspects of the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in 2018[12] and the poisoning of Alexei Navalny in 2020.[13]

Članki z njegovim byline @Bellingcat:

https://www.bellingcat.com/author/chris...

Rusi pravijo, da je *nemogoče*, da je človek naturščik, ter da živi od novinarske plačke, ter hara od Argentine, do Italije, ter preverja rojstne certifikate. Ter da so kekci izpostava CIA ali vsaj debelo financirani in hintani iz strani CIA.

Nagibam se k misli, da niso direktno plačani iz strani CIA, da pa je tam nek vir informacij in denarja, ki ga vsaj posredno CIA financira, preko neke slamnate firme ali kaj.
Raziskovalni novinar na steroidih ali nekaj takega.

Pac-Man je 13. avg 2023 ob 16:57 izjavil:

V enem intervjuju je tudi omenil, da je za nakup podatkov na ruskem črnem trgu zapravil okrog 100k € svojega denarja. Pač premožen geek, ki se je v srednjih letih odločil igrat Jamesa Bonda. Svašta majka rodi.

Pac-Man je 13. avg 2023 ob 17:32 izjavil:

Je rekel da žena ne ve :D

Kot vidiš je živel na Dunaju, v lasti ima pa več radijskih postaj. Ljudje imajo še bolj čudne in dražje hobije.

Bauc je 13. avg 2023 ob 17:45 izjavil:

bbbbbb2015 je 13. avg 2023 ob 17:41 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 13. avg 2023 ob 17:32 izjavil:

Je rekel da žena ne ve :D

Kot vidiš je živel na Dunaju, v lasti ima pa več radijskih postaj. Ljudje imajo še bolj čudne in dražje hobije.

No, glej. Z vsem spoštovanjem do Jamesa Bonda 2.0, bolgarskega pa sploh, jaz v to ne verjamem. Predvsem v tisti točki, ko je razkril prvo packarijo GRU, je moral vedeti, da si je obesil tarčo na čelo.
Da tako brihten možakar, ki top šit ruske vohune (vohunke) razkrije, tega ne bi vedel, to ne verjamem.

V tisti točki je zanj (osebno) postalo zelo nevarno. Saj veš, kje je zdaj? Vsaj glede na intervju v FT, je v ZDA.

Fin hobi, to.

Vseeno mislim, da je za plačilo leakal informacije, to objavljal, zdaj so države, tudi Slovenija, pozorne na "Argentince", Rusom so uničili sadove več 10 letnega dela.

Ampak zakaj bi se osebno izpostavil? Če bi bil na plačilnem seznamu ameriške tajne službe bi to lahko naredil tudi brez,da bi vedeli kdo je.