Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

mojsterleo je 23. jul 2023 ob 17:03 izjavil:

Lesoto je 23. jul 2023 ob 15:08 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/168...
russia bombed Odesa's cathedral and now blames "Ukrainian air defense"... Western air defense missiles don't contain enough high explosive (HE) to cause such damage:

NASAMS:
• AIM-9 WDU-17/B warheads contain 3.2 kg PBXN-3
• AIM-120A/B/C WDU-33/B warheads contain 6.8 kg HE
• AIM-120C-4/5/6/7/8 WDU-41/B warheads contain 7.2 kg HE
The IRIS-T warheads contain about 4 kg HE. To compare: i.e. a M31 GMLRS warhead contains 23 kg PBX-109.

russia bombed Odesa. As usual many of the russian missiles landed far from their targets. And russia always lies.

To so masivni ojačani srednjeveški zidovi. Tega ne moreš podredi z nekaj malo razstreliva. Protiletalske rakete tukaj odpadejo, ker niso namenjene rušenju objektov ampak potiskanju šrapnelov v zraku. Enako tudi S 300 odpade ker ima 100kg bojno glavo ki pa je namenjena potiskanju do 30.000 šrapnelov, šrapneli pa bi se od zidovja samo odbili.
Več kot jasno je, da gre za Rusko raketo. Onyx ima 300kg prebojno bojno glavo, kh22 eno tonsko, iskander-m pa 700kg. Tole troje prebije ojačane zidove. Bi pa skoraj stavil da je bila kh22 saj so znane po svoji nenatančnosti.

Streha je iz lesa in opeke in tona eksploziva bi podrla celo stavbo.

Lavrov pravi, da ni demokratično da morajo javni uslužbenci v Kirgiziji znat Kirgizijsko. Video brez podnapisov, se razume.

https://twitter.com/l_seiitbek/status/1...

Lavrov is outraged by the adoption of a new law obliging Kyrgyz civil servants, teachers, doctors and other public service providers to know Kyrgyz language. He is outraged that people in Kyrgyzstan should know Kyrgyz. It's always the same rhetoric.

“A law was passed in Kyrgyzstan a few months ago. When this idea appeared, we warned our Kyrgyz friends that this was not democratic to oblige all civil servants to know Kyrgyz language and work in it. [...] We will continue to work" Lavrov said.
https://kloop.kg/blog/2023/07/24/glava-...

iz debate v niti

Can you imagine your mother tongue being taught as a foreign language in your motherland? Definition of imperialism, colonialism.

It wasn't taught even as foreign language until late 90-ies...

Odkar willy ne več nalaga novih videov glede ukrajine niti ne spremljam več stanja na bojišču. Ko pa pogledam to temo mi je vse jasno. Vtihnili ste eni in drugi, še prej ko so bili vsaj majhni premiki ste takoj skočili v luft in kričali kako dobro gre "vašim".
Tako da kot napovedano, zgleda bodo res meje še dolga leta približno kot so sedaj!

https://twitter.com/albert_hubble/statu...
Putin suddenly blurted out today that only 12 million people live in the eastern part of Russia. Official figures say about 27 million. Independent demographers have long warned that the official number of people living in Russia is far too high.

FireSnake je 24. jul 2023 ob 20:22 izjavil:

gozdar1 je 23. jul 2023 ob 12:56 izjavil:

Ampak rusija do sedaj ni bila spospobna preseket ukrajinske logistike, ker ta večina prihaja preko poljske in je večinoma varna pred ruskimi napadi.

Rusija prav tako nima zračne prevlade, komaj si upajo letet nad fronto, kaj šele v globino.

Napadi na odeso so verjetno bolj povezani za sporazumom o izvozu žeita, ker glede na ruske zahteve jih snakcije še kako bolijo.

Nima prevlade?
https://siol.net/novice/svet/rusi-vedo-...
Ukrajinci pravijo drugače.

Kako je zdaj to?

A ti razumeš kaj je to zračna prevlada nad sovražnikovim ozemljem? Pozanimaj se in pridi nazaj.

Če bi ukrajinci imeli neomejeno dronov, bi Moskva do danes že gorela.

BorutO je 24. jul 2023 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Če bi ukrajinci imeli neomejeno dronov, bi Moskva do danes že gorela.

Če bi že 100 dronov spustili nad Moskvo, bi jim preobremenili obrambo in bi sigurno 50% ciljev zadeli. Mi je pa zanimivo, da ZDA in EU nočeta množično proizvajati dronov za Ukrajino, saj teli droni delajo konkretno škodo in so cenejši od raket.

Namen je samo demonstrirati, da je Ukrajina sposobna vračati udarce. Ravno toliko, da ljudje vidijo čez propagando, kam jih ta vojna pelje in da je to daleč od specialne operacije. Če bi čez noč zagorela Moskva, je to že korak proti uporabi jedrskega orožja saj je "ogrožena država, ker jih napada zahod"

scythe je 24. jul 2023 ob 21:10 izjavil:

BorutO je 24. jul 2023 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Če bi ukrajinci imeli neomejeno dronov, bi Moskva do danes že gorela.

Če bi že 100 dronov spustili nad Moskvo, bi jim preobremenili obrambo in bi sigurno 50% ciljev zadeli. Mi je pa zanimivo, da ZDA in EU nočeta množično proizvajati dronov za Ukrajino, saj teli droni delajo konkretno škodo in so cenejši od raket.

In tu je tudi tvoj odgovor.

fur80 je 24. jul 2023 ob 21:34 izjavil:

Ruski specialci? Ti bi napadli Poljsko? Brez kritja, brez vsega jih vržejo na cesto umret. Noro.

Volunteer Dmitry Zhluktenko published footage of how the Russian landing force is trying to fight in the Bakhmut area, but in the end it is gradually dying under Ukrainian fire.

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/sta...

To je že v sami strateško pomembni vas Kliščivka

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/...

Lukashenko: “The transfer of Ukrainian lands to Poland is unacceptable, if Western Ukraine asks for help, we will provide”

Kaj se gredo ti norci? Je to 6D šah, huda droga ali jim je FSB pripravil paralelno realnost?

Bauc je 24. jul 2023 ob 23:18 izjavil:

redtech je 24. jul 2023 ob 22:56 izjavil:

Mogoče je imel v glavi Banderasa, ki je iz Nemčije vodil poboje židov (ruskih), ko je njih zmanjkalo se je pa spravil na Poljake.

Poljaki so imeli srečo, ko je CIA dobila idejo, da Banderitosa vzamejo za svojega je bil v enem tednu mrtev. Kaj veš kaj se jim mota po glavi

A kar iz nemškega zapora je vodil poboje judov? Sicer kaj ima zdaj on z lukašenkom? A sta oba norca?

Bandera was freed from prison in 1939 following the invasion of Poland, and moved to Kraków. He prepared the 1941 proclamation of the Ukrainian state, pledging to work with Nazi Germany after Germany invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941.[10][11]: 50 [nb 4][12] The Germans disapproved of the proclamation, and for his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo. He was released in 1944 by the Germans in hopes that he could fight the Soviet advance.

Bandera je nacionalni junak za veliko večino Ukrajincev, ter demoniziran kot nacist (nacionalist je prelahka beseda) s strani Belorusije, Rusije. Banderovci so bili gibanje bolj, kot samo Bandera. So pa Banderovci sodelovali v pobojih vseh (židov, Poljakov predvsem), ki so bili kakorkoli napoti samostojni Ukrajini. Ta narativa je šla v prid nacistom, zato so nacisti sodelovali z Banderovci, do trenutka, ko je prišla na plano zahteva po samostojni Ukrajini, šele takrat so ga strpali v zapor. Vseh Banderovcev seveda niso strpali v zapor. Nekateri so zbežali, nekateri so še naprej sodelovali z nacisti, nekateri pa so obrnili stran in se borili proti nacistom.

Belorusi namigujejo na to, da je velika večina ozemlja, ki ga je zasedla SZ, tudi ostala v oblasti SZ, sedaj Belorusije/Ukrajine. Ne vse, velika večina.

Vojna v ukrajini nima zveze z nacisti,zaščito manjšin...debate okrog tega so samo speljevanje na ruski propagandni mlin.

Kaže da verjameš, kar hočeš verjeti.

Mah zadeve glede Bandere so tipični problem, zakaj je še sedaj sranje, ker na WWII gledamo skozi oči Sovjetov. Na Vzhodu Evrope pa to ne gre tako in bolj ko bo Zahod kopiral nekritično ta narativ, vedno hujše težave se bodo vlekle še naprej (in nov potencial za vojne in oborožene konflikte). Je pa to problem, kako učijo zgodovino na Zahodu, kjer so nekritično skopirali glavne talking points Sovjetov/Rusov...

P.S. Kaj je novega pri Klischiivki?

fikus_ je 25. jul 2023 ob 09:11 izjavil:

Kaže da verjameš, kar hočeš verjeti.

Isto kot ti z ampak z razliko,da si ti na drugem travniku.

fikus_ je 25. jul 2023 ob 09:46 izjavil:

Po 2. sv. vojni so Usa podpirale Bandero in njegove somišljenike, da bi povzročili vstajo v UA proti ZSSR.

Primer, kaj piše DW o Banderi:
https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-uk...

"Bandera's life is closely linked to western Ukraine, which was then part of Poland and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The son of a priest was born in 1909 in the village of Staryi Uhryniv, now in the province of Ivano-Frankivsk. Bandera studied in Lviv and joined the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which fought underground for independence.

In the 1930s, Bandera was convicted of being a co-organizer of politically-motivated murders in Poland and was released only after the start of World War II. The OUN split into two groups, and Bandera became leader of the more radical wing, OUN-B. While Nazi Germany was preparing for the attack on the Soviet Union, Bandera's comrades-in-arms joined the German leadership with two Ukrainian battalions named Nightingale and Roland."

Za nekatere Ukrajince je narodni heroj, za druge ne, tudi za žide ne. V glavnem, boril seje za samostojno UA, uporabljal skrajna sredstva, tudi podporo naci Nemčiji, ker je pričakoval, da bo od tega imel korist, da bodo Nemci dovolili samostojno UA.

Tudi v tvojem linku je,da so ga nemci zaprli. A verjameš vse kar prebereš na netu?
Bandera was in occupied Poland when on June 30, 1941, his comrades proclaimed an independent Ukrainian state in Nazi-occupied Lviv — and the Germans banned him from traveling to Ukraine. Adolf Hitler rejected the idea of Ukrainian independence, and Bandera was arrested and imprisoned in Sachsenhausen concentration camp until 1944.

fikus: ja ampak, ker se je Bandera boril za lasten narod proti Sovjetom - a bi zato moral cel svet slepo slediti ruskim "argumentom" da je on 'bad guy'? ROFL, LOL! Zato ker NEEEEEE, Rusom se nihče ne sme upreti, nikoli.
Si predstavljate, da bi Britanci nabijali po celem svetu, da je Washington bad guy, ker se je boril proti presvitlemu britanskemu imperiju ... ali pa da se Italijani odpovejo svojemu Cavourju ali pa Garibaldiju?

Malidelničar je 25. jul 2023 ob 10:22 izjavil:

fikus: ja ampak, ker se je Bandera boril za lasten narod proti Sovjetom - a bi zato moral cel svet slepo slediti ruskim "argumentom" da je on 'bad guy'? ROFL, LOL! Zato ker NEEEEEE, Rusom se nihče ne sme upreti, nikoli.
Si predstavljate, da bi Britanci nabijali po celem svetu, da je Washington bad guy, ker se je boril proti presvitlemu britanskemu imperiju ... ali pa da se Italijani odpovejo svojemu Cavourju ali pa Garibaldiju?

Ti si ven pobral samo del, ki ti ustreza!
Bandera se je boril skupaj z nacisti in računal, da mu bodo dovolili samostojno UA. Vprašaj tudi žide, v kakšnem spominu ga imajo.

Woman Filmed Carrying Several Large Slabs Of "Concrete" After Alleged Russian Attack
Spaso-Preobrazhenskiy Cathedral, Odessa, Ukraine's largest Orthodox church, was nearly completely destroyed after it was hit by a projectile earlier this week.
Ukrainian officials claim Russia fired a missile at the church while the Kremlin has suggested a Ukrainian air defense missile failed and landed on the building.
Regardless of the truth, a video showing the cleanup efforts of civilians and emergency responders on the scene is going viral after a woman was spotted lifting a huge chunk of what appears to be concrete with one hand.
A keen-eyed TikTok user explained most people have had to pick up a chunk of concrete before and that anyone could see the woman is carrying something other than heavy building materials.
"If just witnessing something like that just once in your life doesn't make you start questioning absolutely everything you see on T.V., then there's no hope for you," the TikToker told his followers.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IkHzencm...

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CoolBits je 25. jul 2023 ob 11:41 izjavil:

Woman Filmed Carrying Several Large Slabs Of "Concrete" After Alleged Russian Attack
Spaso-Preobrazhenskiy Cathedral, Odessa, Ukraine's largest Orthodox church, was nearly completely destroyed after it was hit by a projectile earlier this week.
Ukrainian officials claim Russia fired a missile at the church while the Kremlin has suggested a Ukrainian air defense missile failed and landed on the building.
Regardless of the truth, a video showing the cleanup efforts of civilians and emergency responders on the scene is going viral after a woman was spotted lifting a huge chunk of what appears to be concrete with one hand.
A keen-eyed TikTok user explained most people have had to pick up a chunk of concrete before and that anyone could see the woman is carrying something other than heavy building materials.
"If just witnessing something like that just once in your life doesn't make you start questioning absolutely everything you see on T.V., then there's no hope for you," the TikToker told his followers.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IkHzencm...

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A ti misliš,da so vse zgradbe zgrajene izključno iz betona? A živiš v bunkerju? Cerkev je bila obnovljena leta 1999 in so verjetno za izolacijo in štukature ter ostalo okrasje uporabili materiale kot so stirodur in podobno. Moonhoaxerski čudaki bog vam pomagaj.

fikus_ je 25. jul 2023 ob 12:07 izjavil:

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