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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
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bbbbbb2015 ::
Malidelničar je izjavil:
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V Bakmutu so se boji razplamteli. Ukrajinci so v protinapadu zavzeli nekaj ozemlja nazaj. Predvsem tam, kjer bi zasedba s strani orkov lahko povzročila logistične težave v oskrbi bojišča. Nekaj žepov so Ukrajinci nagnali Ruse nazaj. Na sami liniji spopada so se od nekod zopet pojavili wagnerjevci (19 komadov), kar so Ukrajinci postrelili. En stadion ni pod kontrolo Rusov, kot so na začetku mislili. Rusi so šli noter, četudi niso imeli ne podpore, ne nič. Eno visoko stavbo so Rusi zasedli z veseljem, nakar so Ukrajinci porušili stavbo do tal.
Na severnem delu razmejitve so Rusi poskušali z napadom in podpornim ognjem. Iz tega ni bilo nič.
Drugače so razmere v jarkih še vedno dokaj mokre, vendar ni več bazenov z vodo v jarkih. Sneg se je stopil. Po nižinah je še vedno rasputica.
Nekateri slovenski mediji (tebe gledam Siol) so napačno povzemali trditve Prighozina, da je Bakhmut obkoljen.
Smešno, ker je na internetu toliko virov in različnih online map ter informacij :)
Resnica je drugačna: Rusom ni uspelo prodreti čez železnico, Ukrajinci so nazaj zavzeli edini t.i. 'salient' pri železniškem skladišču, ki so ga mislim, da za pol dneva zavzeli VDV-jevci. Trenutno imajo Ukrajinci utrjeno fronto ob železniških tirih, na južnem delu pa so Ukrajinci ohranili svoj 'salient' na vzhodnem delu čez železnico.
Stadion Metalurh še vedno ni pod rusko kontrolo. Wagnerjevci so praktično povsem izčrpani. Vse to kljub hudemu ruskemu obstreljevanju z Grad-i in tudi zopet z vžigalno fosforjevo municijo.
Na južni fronti v mestu je ukrajinski Aidar bataljon odvrnil vse napade in celo naredil manjši protinapad.
Na dovoznih cestah v Bakhmut trenutno ni sprememb, torej na bokih fronte nič novega.
Tako nekako, ja. Pač, po mojem občutku se sedaj čaka ukrajinska ofenziva. Ukrajinci so zelo skrivnostni. Američani so menda ujeli leakerja. Zgodba je zelo bizarna. Tako bizarna, da nisem čisto ziher, če je to informacija ali dez informacija. Infrmacija je bila šerana v neki čet grupi, kjer se je za enega člana "vedelo", da ima original do stop do SECRET informacij, s tem se je na veliko bahal. Noben motiv ni znan, zakaj bi to počel.
Bomo videli. Ko bodo Ukrajinci udarili, bomo leakane dokumente primerjali z dejanskim dogajanjem. Ukrajinci so zviti kot preste.
Ta trenutek dotekajo in tanki in municija v Ukrajino iz Poljske.
Pac-Man ::
Rusi so zajeli Leoparda in ga utopili v močvirju, ampak spet ni fotk, video.
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/sta...
Russians “captured a Leopard tank, but couldn’t take it to the rear, so they drowned it in a swamp.” …in the Kherson area, in case anyone doubted!
We know this Russian barefaced lying well from the socialist era. We all knew they were lying and saying BS. The Russians knew they were lying. They knew the West would laugh at them, but they didn’t mind.
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/sta...
Russians “captured a Leopard tank, but couldn’t take it to the rear, so they drowned it in a swamp.” …in the Kherson area, in case anyone doubted!
We know this Russian barefaced lying well from the socialist era. We all knew they were lying and saying BS. The Russians knew they were lying. They knew the West would laugh at them, but they didn’t mind.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Rusi so zajeli Leoparda in ga utopili v močvirju, ampak spet ni fotk, video.
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/sta...
Russians “captured a Leopard tank, but couldn’t take it to the rear, so they drowned it in a swamp.” …in the Kherson area, in case anyone doubted!
We know this Russian barefaced lying well from the socialist era. We all knew they were lying and saying BS. The Russians knew they were lying. They knew the West would laugh at them, but they didn’t mind.
Saj verjetno veš, da Ukrajinci dobivajo od Čehov fake tankece:
To delajo že od kar so Ukrajinci dobili HIMARSe. Menda so se nenormalno zverzirali. Tankec da radarski odboj, ker ga prepenzlajo z neko barvo, ko ima kovinsko osnovo. Tankec tudi da infrardeč odboj, ker ima nek grelec, pa daje tudi fake IR odboj.
V 20 minutah postavijo divizjon (2x 10 tankecev) tankov.
Ti Čehi zdaj biznisirajo nenormalno. Prwej so delali une napihljive gradove za otročke zabavat, pa to ni glih šlo v promet. Zdajle ti tankeci pa nenormalno.
Menda rabijo 20 dni, da zdizajnirajo napihljiv tankec, če imajo eksaktno dokumentacijo ali zelo dobre slike.
fur80 ::
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/sta...
The old Soviet T-55 medium tanks in service with the Russian Federation were spotted for the first time in the combat zone in Ukraine.
Upam ali pa tudi ne, da bo Rusi pravi čas zapeljal dol iz ceste!
T-55 has no business taking on a challenger. Same as a BMP i think we can all agree. The T-55 isn't likely to take on an anti-tank role though. Most likely will be used as an assault gun, simply increasing fire power.
https://twitter.com/NWEWarReports/statu...
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: fur80 ()
fur80 ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Rusi so zajeli Leoparda in ga utopili v močvirju, ampak spet ni fotk, video.
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/sta...
Russians “captured a Leopard tank, but couldn’t take it to the rear, so they drowned it in a swamp.” …in the Kherson area, in case anyone doubted!
We know this Russian barefaced lying well from the socialist era. We all knew they were lying and saying BS. The Russians knew they were lying. They knew the West would laugh at them, but they didn’t mind.
Saj verjetno veš, da Ukrajinci dobivajo od Čehov fake tankece:
To delajo že od kar so Ukrajinci dobili HIMARSe. Menda so se nenormalno zverzirali. Tankec da radarski odboj, ker ga prepenzlajo z neko barvo, ko ima kovinsko osnovo. Tankec tudi da infrardeč odboj, ker ima nek grelec, pa daje tudi fake IR odboj.
V 20 minutah postavijo divizjon (2x 10 tankecev) tankov.
Ti Čehi zdaj biznisirajo nenormalno. Prwej so delali une napihljive gradove za otročke zabavat, pa to ni glih šlo v promet. Zdajle ti tankeci pa nenormalno.
Menda rabijo 20 dni, da zdizajnirajo napihljiv tankec, če imajo eksaktno dokumentacijo ali zelo dobre slike.
To bi lahko tudi Šarec kupil za Slovenijo, če že za kaj druga nimamo denarja! :)
Drugače so pa Ćehi mojstri fejkanja! :D
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: fur80 ()
fikus_ ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Rusi so zajeli Leoparda in ga utopili v močvirju, ampak spet ni fotk, video.
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/sta...
Russians “captured a Leopard tank, but couldn’t take it to the rear, so they drowned it in a swamp.” …in the Kherson area, in case anyone doubted!
We know this Russian barefaced lying well from the socialist era. We all knew they were lying and saying BS. The Russians knew they were lying. They knew the West would laugh at them, but they didn’t mind.
Saj verjetno veš, da Ukrajinci dobivajo od Čehov fake tankece:
To delajo že od kar so Ukrajinci dobili HIMARSe. Menda so se nenormalno zverzirali. Tankec da radarski odboj, ker ga prepenzlajo z neko barvo, ko ima kovinsko osnovo. Tankec tudi da infrardeč odboj, ker ima nek grelec, pa daje tudi fake IR odboj.
V 20 minutah postavijo divizjon (2x 10 tankecev) tankov.
Ti Čehi zdaj biznisirajo nenormalno. Prwej so delali une napihljive gradove za otročke zabavat, pa to ni glih šlo v promet. Zdajle ti tankeci pa nenormalno.
Menda rabijo 20 dni, da zdizajnirajo napihljiv tankec, če imajo eksaktno dokumentacijo ali zelo dobre slike.
Če so RU na podoben način uničevali (napihljive) HIMARSe, potem je kar za verjeti, da so jih uničili 20, 30, ....ali koliko že.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
fur80 ::
Ne vem, če se niso Rusi malo prenaglili zadnje dni v Bakhmutu in so res mislili, da so odrezali Ukrajince in potem se zgodi tole:
https://twitter.com/herooftheday10/stat...
https://twitter.com/small10space/status...
https://twitter.com/sgorlovki/status/16...
https://twitter.com/herooftheday10/stat...
https://twitter.com/small10space/status...
https://twitter.com/sgorlovki/status/16...
fikus_ ::
https://twitter.com/small10space/status...
Hudo nežni z ujetniki pa niso, uporabljajo lepilni trak za oči, lepljenje rok na obraz, . . .
Hudo nežni z ujetniki pa niso, uporabljajo lepilni trak za oči, lepljenje rok na obraz, . . .
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
fur80 ::
https://twitter.com/small10space/status...
Hudo nežni z ujetniki pa niso, uporabljajo lepilni trak za oči, lepljenje rok na obraz, . . .
Pa ajde vsaj glav ne režejo in penisov, kot to delajo na drugi strani.
fikus_ ::
OK si me prepričal, da se v vojni marsikaj dogaja.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Pac-Man ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Saj verjetno veš, da Ukrajinci dobivajo od Čehov fake tankece
Bi jih rad videl v močvirje utapljat napihljivega Leoparda ;)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Tuckerjev rant okrog vojne in leakanih dokumentov.
Komentar na Tuckerjev (& Greenwaldov) rant okrog vojne in leakanih dokumentov:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
Anyone treating the Discord Leaker like a whistleblower is either ignorant of the facts or just thinks anyone leaking documents is a whistleblower, even if it's to their gamer pals for internet cool person points.
Also, you being mad at America doesn't make the leaker a whistleblower either, no matter how many Substack posts you make or Tucker Carlson appearances you have.
Plus, if you're mad at other journalists because they followed the evidence on one of the biggest stories of the year, then maybe you're not the journalist you think you are.
This is your "whistleblower"
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/worl...
Tucker also cites the provably falsified casualty figures that were part of alterations made when they arrived on Russian Telegram channels. This is widely reported and debunked, so Tucker really has no excuse for using the fake figures. [video]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
mtosev ::
Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
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Rambutan ::
Nov članek v Foreign Affairs, zahod že začenja razmišljati o končanju ukrajinske konflikta. Orožja zmanjkuje, rabili ga bodo za Kitajsko. Gospodarski problemi pa povzročajo nemire. Načrt je po uspešno izpeljani ukrajinski ofenzivi pritisniti na Ukrajino in Rusijo za pogajanja. Bi rekel da je ta plan zelo malo verjeten, sam ne vidim velikih možnosti za uspeh ukrajinske ofenzive. Še manj verjetno pa se mi zdi, da bo Rusija pripravljena popuščati zahodu. Je pa pozitivno, da zahod vsaj začenja razmišljati o temu, kako končati to krizo.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/...
The reality is that continued large-scale support of Kyiv carries broader strategic risks. The war is eroding the West’s military readiness and depleting its weapons stockpiles; the defense industrial base cannot keep up with Ukraine’s expenditure of equipment and ammunition. NATO countries cannot discount the possibility of direct hostilities with Russia, and the United States must prepare for potential military action in Asia (to deter or respond to any Chinese move against Taiwan) and in the Middle East (against Iran or terrorist networks).
The war is imposing high costs on the global economy, as well. It has disrupted supply chains, contributing to high inflation and energy and food shortages. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates that the war will reduce global economic output by $2.8 trillion in 2023. From France to Egypt to Peru, economic duress is triggering political unrest. The war is also polarizing the international system. As geopolitical rivalry between the Western democracies and a Chinese-Russian coalition augurs the return of a two-bloc world, most of the rest of the globe is sitting on the sidelines, preferring nonalignment to ensnarement in a new era of East-West rivalry. Disorder is radiating outward from the war in Ukraine.
Against this backdrop, neither Ukraine nor its NATO supporters can take Western unity for granted. American resolve is crucial for European staying power, but Washington faces mounting political pressure to reduce spending, rebuild U.S. readiness, and bulk up its capabilities in Asia. Now that Republicans control the House of Representatives, it will be harder for the Biden administration to secure sizable aid packages for Ukraine. And policy toward Ukraine could change significantly should Republicans win the White House in the 2024 election. It is time to ready a Plan B.
Under this approach, Ukraine’s Western supporters would propose a cease-fire as Ukraine’s coming offensive reaches its limits. Ideally, both Ukraine and Russia would pull back their troops and heavy weapons from the new line of contact, effectively creating a demilitarized zone. A neutral organization—either the UN or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe—would send in observers to monitor and enforce the cease-fire and pullback. The West should approach other influential countries, including China and India, to support the cease-fire proposal. Doing so would complicate diplomacy, but getting buy-in from Beijing and New Delhi would increase the pressure on the Kremlin. In the event that China refused to support the cease-fire, Xi’s ongoing calls for a diplomatic offensive would be exposed as an empty gesture.
A WAY OUT
For over a year, the West has allowed Ukraine to define success and set the war aims of the West. This policy, regardless of whether it made sense at the outset of the war, has now run its course. It is unwise, because Ukraine’s goals are coming into conflict with other Western interests. And it is unsustainable, because the war’s costs are mounting, and Western publics and their governments are growing weary of providing ongoing support. As a global power, the United States must acknowledge that a maximal definition of the interests at stake in the war has produced a policy that increasingly conflicts with other U.S. priorities.
The good news is that there is a feasible path out of this impasse. The West should do more now to help Ukraine defend itself and advance on the battlefield, putting it in the best position possible at the negotiating table later this year. In the meantime, Washington should set a diplomatic course that ensures the security and viability of Ukraine within its de facto borders—while working to restore the country’s territorial integrity over the long term. This approach may be too much for some and not enough for others. But unlike the alternatives, it has the advantage of blending what is desirable with what is doable
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/...
The reality is that continued large-scale support of Kyiv carries broader strategic risks. The war is eroding the West’s military readiness and depleting its weapons stockpiles; the defense industrial base cannot keep up with Ukraine’s expenditure of equipment and ammunition. NATO countries cannot discount the possibility of direct hostilities with Russia, and the United States must prepare for potential military action in Asia (to deter or respond to any Chinese move against Taiwan) and in the Middle East (against Iran or terrorist networks).
The war is imposing high costs on the global economy, as well. It has disrupted supply chains, contributing to high inflation and energy and food shortages. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates that the war will reduce global economic output by $2.8 trillion in 2023. From France to Egypt to Peru, economic duress is triggering political unrest. The war is also polarizing the international system. As geopolitical rivalry between the Western democracies and a Chinese-Russian coalition augurs the return of a two-bloc world, most of the rest of the globe is sitting on the sidelines, preferring nonalignment to ensnarement in a new era of East-West rivalry. Disorder is radiating outward from the war in Ukraine.
Against this backdrop, neither Ukraine nor its NATO supporters can take Western unity for granted. American resolve is crucial for European staying power, but Washington faces mounting political pressure to reduce spending, rebuild U.S. readiness, and bulk up its capabilities in Asia. Now that Republicans control the House of Representatives, it will be harder for the Biden administration to secure sizable aid packages for Ukraine. And policy toward Ukraine could change significantly should Republicans win the White House in the 2024 election. It is time to ready a Plan B.
Under this approach, Ukraine’s Western supporters would propose a cease-fire as Ukraine’s coming offensive reaches its limits. Ideally, both Ukraine and Russia would pull back their troops and heavy weapons from the new line of contact, effectively creating a demilitarized zone. A neutral organization—either the UN or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe—would send in observers to monitor and enforce the cease-fire and pullback. The West should approach other influential countries, including China and India, to support the cease-fire proposal. Doing so would complicate diplomacy, but getting buy-in from Beijing and New Delhi would increase the pressure on the Kremlin. In the event that China refused to support the cease-fire, Xi’s ongoing calls for a diplomatic offensive would be exposed as an empty gesture.
A WAY OUT
For over a year, the West has allowed Ukraine to define success and set the war aims of the West. This policy, regardless of whether it made sense at the outset of the war, has now run its course. It is unwise, because Ukraine’s goals are coming into conflict with other Western interests. And it is unsustainable, because the war’s costs are mounting, and Western publics and their governments are growing weary of providing ongoing support. As a global power, the United States must acknowledge that a maximal definition of the interests at stake in the war has produced a policy that increasingly conflicts with other U.S. priorities.
The good news is that there is a feasible path out of this impasse. The West should do more now to help Ukraine defend itself and advance on the battlefield, putting it in the best position possible at the negotiating table later this year. In the meantime, Washington should set a diplomatic course that ensures the security and viability of Ukraine within its de facto borders—while working to restore the country’s territorial integrity over the long term. This approach may be too much for some and not enough for others. But unlike the alternatives, it has the advantage of blending what is desirable with what is doable
CoolBits ::
Pac-Man ::
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
Morda zato?
Tucker also cites the provably falsified casualty figures that were part of alterations made when they arrived on Russian Telegram channels. This is widely reported and debunked, so Tucker really has no excuse for using the fake figures. [video]
Ali zato
All the Texts Fox News Didn’t Want You to Read
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In advance of a planned trial beginning next month, Delaware Superior Court judge Eric M. Davis has been unsealing more of the missives every day. Here, some of the most striking ones so far:
Tucker Carlson
On Fox News’ Arizona call:
“We devote our lives to building an audience and they let Chris Wallace and Leland fucking Vittert wreck it,” Carlson texted in a group conversation with Ingraham and Sean Hannity roughly two weeks after the election. Vittert was a Fox News reporter who was frequently criticized by Trump, and he left the network in April 2021 for NewsNation.
On hating Trump:
“I hate him passionately … What he’s good at is destroying things. He’s the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong,” Carlson texted a colleague on January 4, days prior to the riot at the U.S. Capitol. He added, “We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.”
On the antics of Trump lawyers Sidney Powell and Lin Wood:
“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Carlson texted Ingraham on November 18.
In a message from November 4, Carlson texted a colleague that there was “no doubt there was fraud” in the election. “But at this point, Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it’s infuriating. Absolutely enrages me.”
In a text on November 9, Carlson referenced Powell’s Dominion claims, commenting, “The software shit is absurd.” (Carlson then said on television that night, “We don’t know anything about the software that many say was rigged. We don’t know. We ought to find out.”)
In a text on November 22, Carlson also called Powell a “cunt.”
On Trump skipping Biden’s inauguration:
“Hard to believe. So destructive,” he texted a staffer on November 10. “It’s disgusting. I’m trying to look away.”
On the prospect of ditching Trump coverage on Fox:
Two days before the Capitol riot, Carlson wrote to a colleague that “we are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait.” The day after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, he texted his producer that “Trump has two weeks left. Once he’s out, he becomes incalculably less powerful, even in the minds of his supporters. He’s a demonic force, a destroyer. But he’s not going to destroy us. I’ve been thinking about this every day for four years.”
ali zato
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
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Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.
...
She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Rambutan ::
Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
Bolj kot bo Rusija napredovala v Ukrajini, več trakcije bodo dobili Tuckerjevi protivojni ranti. Če Ukrajina ne uspe v protiofenzivi, kdo bo sploh še resno jemal liberalne medije, ki nam že drugo leto prodajajo pravljice o neizbežni ukrajinski zmagi.
Biden se brez zaključka ukrajinskega konflikta ne bo upal podati na volitve, po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi se bo moral losati Ukrajine.
fikus_ ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Saj verjetno veš, da Ukrajinci dobivajo od Čehov fake tankece
Bi jih rad videl v močvirje utapljat napihljivega Leoparda ;)
Zrak ven spustijo, pa sam potone.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mackilla ::
Nov članek v Foreign Affairs, zahod že začenja razmišljati o končanju ukrajinske konflikta. Orožja zmanjkuje, rabili ga bodo za Kitajsko. Gospodarski problemi pa povzročajo nemire. Načrt je po uspešno izpeljani ukrajinski ofenzivi pritisniti na Ukrajino in Rusijo za pogajanja. Bi rekel da je ta plan zelo malo verjeten, sam ne vidim velikih možnosti za uspeh ukrajinske ofenzive. Še manj verjetno pa se mi zdi, da bo Rusija pripravljena popuščati zahodu. Je pa pozitivno, da zahod vsaj začenja razmišljati o temu, kako končati to krizo.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/...
The reality is that continued large-scale support of Kyiv carries broader strategic risks. The war is eroding the West’s military readiness and depleting its weapons stockpiles; the defense industrial base cannot keep up with Ukraine’s expenditure of equipment and ammunition. NATO countries cannot discount the possibility of direct hostilities with Russia, and the United States must prepare for potential military action in Asia (to deter or respond to any Chinese move against Taiwan) and in the Middle East (against Iran or terrorist networks).
The war is imposing high costs on the global economy, as well. It has disrupted supply chains, contributing to high inflation and energy and food shortages. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates that the war will reduce global economic output by $2.8 trillion in 2023. From France to Egypt to Peru, economic duress is triggering political unrest. The war is also polarizing the international system. As geopolitical rivalry between the Western democracies and a Chinese-Russian coalition augurs the return of a two-bloc world, most of the rest of the globe is sitting on the sidelines, preferring nonalignment to ensnarement in a new era of East-West rivalry. Disorder is radiating outward from the war in Ukraine.
Against this backdrop, neither Ukraine nor its NATO supporters can take Western unity for granted. American resolve is crucial for European staying power, but Washington faces mounting political pressure to reduce spending, rebuild U.S. readiness, and bulk up its capabilities in Asia. Now that Republicans control the House of Representatives, it will be harder for the Biden administration to secure sizable aid packages for Ukraine. And policy toward Ukraine could change significantly should Republicans win the White House in the 2024 election. It is time to ready a Plan B.
Under this approach, Ukraine’s Western supporters would propose a cease-fire as Ukraine’s coming offensive reaches its limits. Ideally, both Ukraine and Russia would pull back their troops and heavy weapons from the new line of contact, effectively creating a demilitarized zone. A neutral organization—either the UN or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe—would send in observers to monitor and enforce the cease-fire and pullback. The West should approach other influential countries, including China and India, to support the cease-fire proposal. Doing so would complicate diplomacy, but getting buy-in from Beijing and New Delhi would increase the pressure on the Kremlin. In the event that China refused to support the cease-fire, Xi’s ongoing calls for a diplomatic offensive would be exposed as an empty gesture.
A WAY OUT
For over a year, the West has allowed Ukraine to define success and set the war aims of the West. This policy, regardless of whether it made sense at the outset of the war, has now run its course. It is unwise, because Ukraine’s goals are coming into conflict with other Western interests. And it is unsustainable, because the war’s costs are mounting, and Western publics and their governments are growing weary of providing ongoing support. As a global power, the United States must acknowledge that a maximal definition of the interests at stake in the war has produced a policy that increasingly conflicts with other U.S. priorities.
The good news is that there is a feasible path out of this impasse. The West should do more now to help Ukraine defend itself and advance on the battlefield, putting it in the best position possible at the negotiating table later this year. In the meantime, Washington should set a diplomatic course that ensures the security and viability of Ukraine within its de facto borders—while working to restore the country’s territorial integrity over the long term. This approach may be too much for some and not enough for others. But unlike the alternatives, it has the advantage of blending what is desirable with what is doable
A zdaj pa spet zaupamo MSN? Sicer si napovedal,da bodo Rusi z globokimi prodori pred poletjem obkolili ukrajinsko vojsko in zavzeli Krematorsk in Slavjansk. Ta članek je potem popolnoma nesmiselen in sploh ne vem zakaj si prilepil ves ta špeh
Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
Bolj kot bo Rusija napredovala v Ukrajini, več trakcije bodo dobili Tuckerjevi protivojni ranti. Če Ukrajina ne uspe v protiofenzivi, kdo bo sploh še resno jemal liberalne medije, ki nam že drugo leto prodajajo pravljice o neizbežni ukrajinski zmagi.
Biden se brez zaključka ukrajinskega konflikta ne bo upal podati na volitve, po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi se bo moral losati Ukrajine.
Zakaj pa zadnje čase skoz lepiš liberalne medije,če jim ni za zaupati?
Zgodovina sprememb…
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CoolBits ::
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
Morda zato?
Tucker also cites the provably falsified casualty figures that were part of alterations made when they arrived on Russian Telegram channels. This is widely reported and debunked, so Tucker really has no excuse for using the fake figures. [video]
Ali zato
All the Texts Fox News Didn’t Want You to Read
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In advance of a planned trial beginning next month, Delaware Superior Court judge Eric M. Davis has been unsealing more of the missives every day. Here, some of the most striking ones so far:
Tucker Carlson
On Fox News’ Arizona call:
“We devote our lives to building an audience and they let Chris Wallace and Leland fucking Vittert wreck it,” Carlson texted in a group conversation with Ingraham and Sean Hannity roughly two weeks after the election. Vittert was a Fox News reporter who was frequently criticized by Trump, and he left the network in April 2021 for NewsNation.
On hating Trump:
“I hate him passionately … What he’s good at is destroying things. He’s the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong,” Carlson texted a colleague on January 4, days prior to the riot at the U.S. Capitol. He added, “We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.”
On the antics of Trump lawyers Sidney Powell and Lin Wood:
“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Carlson texted Ingraham on November 18.
In a message from November 4, Carlson texted a colleague that there was “no doubt there was fraud” in the election. “But at this point, Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it’s infuriating. Absolutely enrages me.”
In a text on November 9, Carlson referenced Powell’s Dominion claims, commenting, “The software shit is absurd.” (Carlson then said on television that night, “We don’t know anything about the software that many say was rigged. We don’t know. We ought to find out.”)
In a text on November 22, Carlson also called Powell a “cunt.”
On Trump skipping Biden’s inauguration:
“Hard to believe. So destructive,” he texted a staffer on November 10. “It’s disgusting. I’m trying to look away.”
On the prospect of ditching Trump coverage on Fox:
Two days before the Capitol riot, Carlson wrote to a colleague that “we are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait.” The day after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, he texted his producer that “Trump has two weeks left. Once he’s out, he becomes incalculably less powerful, even in the minds of his supporters. He’s a demonic force, a destroyer. But he’s not going to destroy us. I’ve been thinking about this every day for four years.”
ali zato
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
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Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.
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She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
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Jasno ena stran govori o drugi, da laže, nič novega v tem. Na nas pa je da slišimo čimveč strani in si ustvarimo svoje mnenje.
Jaz ne verjamem ne enim ne drugim ampak uporabljam samo svojo logiko.
Zakaj bi ukr. potrebovala znova in znova vedno več denarja in orožja, če pa od vsega začetka že zmaguje in rusi bežijo? Evo tukaj vsa logika enoumja že pade sorry.
fikus_ ::
Rambuntan, kar te ne uniči, te okrepi. Če tako gledamo na pomanjkanje orožja in streliva v Usa in NATO državah, bo to pognalo vojaško industrijo na višje obrate in s tem na višjo pripravljenost/zaloge za Kitajsko. Seveda ti višji obrati veljajo tudi za RU in ostale, ker v vojni se da dobro zaslužiti.
Mislim, na se Kitajci ne obremenjujejo toliko s to RU-UA vojno, kot se učijo iz tega. Če bo RU šlo na tesno, zna biti, da jih bodo začeli bolj konkretno podpirati, ker dokler traja ta vojna, bodo imeli bolj mir pred Usa, vsaj ne direktnega posredovanja. Verjetno bodo Usa poiskale posrednika proti CN.
Mislim, na se Kitajci ne obremenjujejo toliko s to RU-UA vojno, kot se učijo iz tega. Če bo RU šlo na tesno, zna biti, da jih bodo začeli bolj konkretno podpirati, ker dokler traja ta vojna, bodo imeli bolj mir pred Usa, vsaj ne direktnega posredovanja. Verjetno bodo Usa poiskale posrednika proti CN.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: fikus_ ()
shmandi ::
CoolBits ::
Naj te ne briga moja logika in pristranskost, raje odgovori na vprašanje.
Sicer pa že vem da bo nek bedast izgovor, kot vedno.
Sicer pa že vem da bo nek bedast izgovor, kot vedno.
CoolBits ::
A da se v UA pošilja vedno znova zaloge denarja in orožja je izmišljotina? Nizko smo padli, da že sami sebi lažete
TESKAn ::
Zakaj bi ukr. potrebovala znova in znova vedno več denarja in orožja, če pa od vsega začetka že zmaguje in rusi bežijo? Evo tukaj vsa logika enoumja že pade sorry.
Sej ne vem, mogoče ti je kdo že povedal, ampak orožje, predvsem municija je bolj ali manj 'single use'. Časi mečev in sulic so že dolgo za nami.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
fikus_ ::
Če imajo pa Ruse na drugi strani. 
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
bbbbbb2015 ::
https://twitter.com/small10space/status...
Hudo nežni z ujetniki pa niso, uporabljajo lepilni trak za oči, lepljenje rok na obraz, . . .
To je čisto v redu, tako kot je.
Nikogar se ne poškoduje, ujetnik ne more uiti ali celo zgrabiti za orožje. Pomembno je, da se ga čim prej natovori na kamion in izven kontaktne linije.
To so po moje naborniki. Eden se mi zdi, da nima regularne ruske uniforme.
Pomembno je, da se jih čim prej spakira stran, ker se hitro zgodi, da na froni ubijejo tvojega prijatelja in si jezen in greš in se zneseš nad ujetniki.
To se je v 2. sv. vojni večkrat zgodilo (na vseh straneh).
Rambutan ::
Zakaj pa zadnje čase skoz lepiš liberalne medije,če jim ni za zaupati?
Iz istega razloga kot vi lepite samo Strelkova. Ko nasprotnik prizna, da ima probleme, je to dosti bolj kredibilno kot takrat, ko se hvali, kako mu gre v redu.
Če liberalni mediji sami priznavajo težave, to pomeni da je stanje že tako zavoženo, da se kmalu ne bo dalo več tega skrivati. Tako se pripravlja javnost na poraz. Enako je bilo npr. v Afganistanu, dosti let so se hvalili z napredkom, kako je usposobljena afganistanska vojska, se uveljavlja demokracija,... Proti koncu so se pa začeli pojavljati zmeraj bolj kritični članki, ki so začeli javnost pripravljati na prihajajoči polom.
Isto se dogaja zdaj v Ukrajini. Po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi si mora Zahod pripraviti off ramp, verjetno bodo rekli da jim je Zelenski lagal in prikrival dejansko stanje. ZDA si bodo umile roke in preusmerile pozornost na Kitajsko. Mi v Evropi bomo pa pokasirali vse ukrajinske probleme.
Gregor P ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Gregor P ()
mackilla ::
Zakaj pa zadnje čase skoz lepiš liberalne medije,če jim ni za zaupati?
Iz istega razloga kot vi lepite samo Strelkova. Ko nasprotnik prizna, da ima probleme, je to dosti bolj kredibilno kot takrat, ko se hvali, kako mu gre v redu.
Če liberalni mediji sami priznavajo težave, to pomeni da je stanje že tako zavoženo, da se kmalu ne bo dalo več tega skrivati. Tako se pripravlja javnost na poraz. Enako je bilo npr. v Afganistanu, dosti let so se hvalili z napredkom, kako je usposobljena afganistanska vojska, se uveljavlja demokracija,... Proti koncu so se pa začeli pojavljati zmeraj bolj kritični članki, ki so začeli javnost pripravljati na prihajajoči polom.
Isto se dogaja zdaj v Ukrajini. Po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi si mora Zahod pripraviti off ramp, verjetno bodo rekli da jim je Zelenski lagal in prikrival dejansko stanje. ZDA si bodo umile roke in preusmerile pozornost na Kitajsko. Mi v Evropi bomo pa pokasirali vse ukrajinske probleme.
Se pravi,da ima Strelkov prav in so Rusi dejansko v riti
CoolBits ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
To je spet samo tvoje mnenje. Moje pa je, da izključno nebuloze govorijo VSI msm mediji (najbolj zahodni), ker imajo vsi iste lastnike, ki narekujejo kaj se bo lahko govorilo. Tu pa tam se najde nekdo, ki pove dejstva ampak tega je tako malo, da skoraj ni omembe vredno.
Zato se dejstva nujno išče izven mainstreama najbolje direktno od povezanih ljudi.
101teflon ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
To je spet samo tvoje mnenje. Moje pa je, da izključno nebuloze govorijo VSI msm mediji (najbolj zahodni), ker imajo vsi iste lastnike, ki narekujejo kaj se bo lahko govorilo. Tu pa tam se najde nekdo, ki pove dejstva ampak tega je tako malo, da skoraj ni omembe vredno.
Zato se dejstva nujno išče izven mainstreama najbolje direktno od povezanih ljudi.
Če si čudak še ne pomeni da imaš prav.
Gregor P ::
... če Ukrajina izgubi, pač žal izgubi ... želimo si sicer, da zmaga in da izgubijo Rusi in pri tem pomagamo Ukrajincem kolikor pač lahko; ampak če na koncu izgubijo, se ne rabijo nobenemu opravičevati za to, ker so oni tisti, ki se borijo na fronti za svojo državo in posledično tudi za nas, oni ki umirajo za to, da nam tu na kavču ni treba.
Bolj kot bo Rusija napredovala v Ukrajini, več trakcije bodo dobili Tuckerjevi protivojni ranti. Če Ukrajina ne uspe v protiofenzivi, kdo bo sploh še resno jemal liberalne medije, ki nam že drugo leto prodajajo pravljice o neizbežni ukrajinski zmagi.
Biden se brez zaključka ukrajinskega konflikta ne bo upal podati na volitve, po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi se bo moral losati Ukrajine.
Tako da so ti tvoji rusofilski propagandni stavki ob takratnem navijanju o neizbežni 3-dnevni ruski zmagi, povsem brezpredmetni.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
101teflon ::
A da se v UA pošilja vedno znova zaloge denarja in orožja je izmišljotina? Nizko smo padli, da že sami sebi lažete
Rezultat tega, da Rusija drži manj ozemlja kot ga je pol leta nazaj.
Ne samo da se je ruski napredek ustavil, še umikat so se morali.
Sedaj pa bo šlo za drugo rundo.
CoolBits ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
To je spet samo tvoje mnenje. Moje pa je, da izključno nebuloze govorijo VSI msm mediji (najbolj zahodni), ker imajo vsi iste lastnike, ki narekujejo kaj se bo lahko govorilo. Tu pa tam se najde nekdo, ki pove dejstva ampak tega je tako malo, da skoraj ni omembe vredno.
Zato se dejstva nujno išče izven mainstreama najbolje direktno od povezanih ljudi.
Če si čudak še ne pomeni da imaš prav.
Kdo pa pravi, da hočem imet prav? Jaz povem svoje mnenje, tako kot ga lahko vsi ostali tukaj.
Gregor P ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
To je spet samo tvoje mnenje. Moje pa je, da izključno nebuloze govorijo VSI msm mediji (najbolj zahodni), ker imajo vsi iste lastnike, ki narekujejo kaj se bo lahko govorilo. Tu pa tam se najde nekdo, ki pove dejstva ampak tega je tako malo, da skoraj ni omembe vredno.
Zato se dejstva nujno išče izven mainstreama najbolje direktno od povezanih ljudi.
... to ni moje mnenje, to je dejstvo; Fox News ni alternativen novinarski medij, ampak je zabavni program; tam nikoli ne boš našel nobenega alternativnega dejstva ali katerekoli relevantne informacije, ki bi ti bila lahko v pomoč pri oblikovanju kakršnegakoli mnenja, razem mnenja o zabavnih oddajah.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
101teflon ::
... to ni več mnenj; na Fox News, ki so prijavljeni kot del zabavne industrije, ne podajajo nekih objektivnih novinarskih mnenj ipd., ker niso resen novinarski medij, ampak izključno samo nebuloze, izmišljene ali zaigrane zgodbe, lažne novice, vse pač kar se prodaja pri njihovih "vernikih" in jih zabava. In če tega ne veš, potem ja, imaš pač intelektualne težave oz. te pač preprosto res ne zanima, kakšna so dejstva, resnica ipd., temveč uživaš v zabavnem "rantu".Kdo resen sploh posluša Tuckerja?
Vsi, ki niso resno oprani od vsiljenega enoumja. Zakaj bi bilo slabo slišat več mnenj?
To je spet samo tvoje mnenje. Moje pa je, da izključno nebuloze govorijo VSI msm mediji (najbolj zahodni), ker imajo vsi iste lastnike, ki narekujejo kaj se bo lahko govorilo. Tu pa tam se najde nekdo, ki pove dejstva ampak tega je tako malo, da skoraj ni omembe vredno.
Zato se dejstva nujno išče izven mainstreama najbolje direktno od povezanih ljudi.
Če si čudak še ne pomeni da imaš prav.
Kdo pa pravi, da hočem imet prav? Jaz povem svoje mnenje, tako kot ga lahko vsi ostali tukaj.
Nekaj si hotel napeljevati v smer da če si drugačen da si vreden poslušanja.
To niti približno ne drži.
Vaškega posebneža ki se dere da bo konec sveta tudi ne boš preveč resno jemal.
CoolBits ::
VSI msm mediji so zabaven program. Noben ne govori dejstev. Malo boste razočarani, če mislite da so kakšna dejstva po msm
101teflon ::
Rambutan ::
... če Ukrajina izgubi, pač žal izgubi ... želimo si sicer, da zmaga in da izgubijo Rusi in pri tem pomagamo Ukrajincem kolikor pač lahko; ampak če na koncu izgubijo, se ne rabijo nobenemu opravičevati za to, ker so oni tisti, ki se borijo na fronti za svojo državo in posledično tudi za nas, oni ki umirajo za to, da nam tu na kavču ni treba.
Bolj kot bo Rusija napredovala v Ukrajini, več trakcije bodo dobili Tuckerjevi protivojni ranti. Če Ukrajina ne uspe v protiofenzivi, kdo bo sploh še resno jemal liberalne medije, ki nam že drugo leto prodajajo pravljice o neizbežni ukrajinski zmagi.
Biden se brez zaključka ukrajinskega konflikta ne bo upal podati na volitve, po neuspešni ukrajinski ofenzivi se bo moral losati Ukrajine.
Tako da so ti tvoji rusofilski propagandni stavki ob takratnem navijanju o neizbežni 3-dnevni ruski zmagi, povsem brezpredmetni.
Če bo Ukrajina izgubila, se bo treba vprašati dosti neprijetnih vprašanj.
Zakaj smo jih podpirali, oboroževali in preprečevali pogajanja? Kot je povedal bivši izraelski premier, Ukrajina bi lahko marca izpogajala mir pod relativno ugodnimi pogoji, pa so ZDA to preprečile. Posledica bo uničena Ukrajina in mir pod ruskimi pogoji, ki bodo dosti slabši za Ukrajino.
Zakaj so ZDA preprečile mirovna pogajanja? Ali so zatajile obveščevalne službe ali je bil to celo namen, uničena Ukrajina?
Zakaj so nam mediji lagali, podcenjevali Ruse in nas prepričevali, da Ukrajina zmaguje? Kdo bo še sploh verjel medijem, ki so totalno cenzurirali pro ruske poglede in nam vsiljevali pro ukrajinsko narativo?
In to ne bo prvi tak primer, zelo podobna zgodba je bila v Iraku, Afganistanu, Libiji...
CoolBits ::
VSI msm mediji so zabaven program. Noben ne govori dejstev. Malo boste razočarani, če mislite da so kakšna dejstva po msm
Rusi so zbežali iz treh področij.
Niso pa zmagali v 3h dneh.
MSM ima precej boljši track record kot pa ruska propaganda.
Da so Rusi bežali je neka izmišljena zgodbica iz msm, prav tako da je bilo nekje rečeno 3 dni.
To je pač posledica, ko se verjame zabavnemu programu
101teflon ::
VSI msm mediji so zabaven program. Noben ne govori dejstev. Malo boste razočarani, če mislite da so kakšna dejstva po msm
Rusi so zbežali iz treh področij.
Niso pa zmagali v 3h dneh.
MSM ima precej boljši track record kot pa ruska propaganda.
Da so Rusi bežali je neka izmišljena zgodbica iz msm, prav tako da je bilo nekje rečeno 3 dni.
To je pač posledica, ko se verjame zabavnemu programu
Imaš miljone slik in videov ruskih podrepnikov ki napovedujejo od par ur do par dni do zmage.
Torej so Rusi še vedno okoli Kijeva, ali so zbežali ?
Kherson držijo ali so zbežali ?
Kharkiv držijo ali so zbežali ?
Edino moskva ni zbežala, je raje potonila :)
gozdar1 ::
Ni bil beg ampak "gesta dobre volje".
Približno takrat je bilo tudi konec sanj o ruski zmagi.
Sedaj samo še čakamo , da jih v kremlju toliko pamet sreča, da spoznajo, da so pogajanja edina pot.
Približno takrat je bilo tudi konec sanj o ruski zmagi.
Sedaj samo še čakamo , da jih v kremlju toliko pamet sreča, da spoznajo, da so pogajanja edina pot.
Gregor P ::
Če bo Ukrajina izgubila, se bo treba vprašati dosti neprijetnih vprašanj.Edino vprašanje bo, ali smo jih dovolj podpirali oz. zakaj jih nismo še bolj.
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You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
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CoolBits ::
Jaz bi se raje vprašal, zakaj ne podpirate miru? Če mislite, da je podpora vojni edina pot do miru ste pač dobro oprani.