Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Poraz proti Ukrajini je za Putina politična katastrofa.

Poraz proti NATO zvezi je še vedno kaastrofa ampak za odtenek manjša. Kot tisto ko pišeš cvek pa se tolažiš da je še pol razreda tudi pisalo cvek.

fur80 je 11. apr 2023 ob 11:39 izjavil:

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 10:53 izjavil:

fur80 je 10. apr 2023 ob 21:14 izjavil:

Rambutan je 10. apr 2023 ob 15:48 izjavil:

Zanimivo je predvsem to, da odkar se je v leakanih dokumentih izvedelo, da ZDA prisluškujejo Zelenskemu, on vsakodnevne video nagovore snema iz bunkerja. Verjetno mu je protiobveščevalna služba razkopala pisarno med iskanjem prisluškovalnih naprav
Vsekakor ni mogoče iz tega povleči nekih zaključkov, je pa to indic, da ta leak ni bil nameren.

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/videos/...

Kolko si ti star? Kaj misliš, da ti ljudje ne pomislijo 2 koraka naprej? Če igraš šah, boš mogoče razumel! Zelenski je profesionani igralec, USA so profesionalni režiserji, ne pozabi kje je Hollywood!!! ;)

Pa še nekaj, ne govori, da je USA in NATO bil poražen v Afganistanu, ker nimaš pojma, še par prijateljev je bilo na misiji tam, pa smo bolj podrobno spremljali konflikt! In spopad in zavzetje države nima veze potem z tragikomičnim umikom USA, ki ga je zahteval Trump in nesposobno Afganistansko profesionalno vojsko.

Če praviš, da sta bila ZDA in NATO uspešna v Afganistanu, potem bo po takih kriterijih lahko uspešna tudi Ukrajina.

To, da je Zelenski igralec in da so ZDA režiserji, je pa največji problem zahodne politike, osredotočajo se predvsem na to, da zmagujejo medijsko vojno in vzdržujejo propagando. Vojaški rezultati so pa poraz za porazom, Irak, Afganistan, Sirija, Libija... Pa še nič se ne naučijo iz porazov, tako da bodo poraženi tudi v Ukrajini.

Morda midva ne veva, lahko pa vprašamo Bin Ladna, Huseina, Gadafija, Al Bagddija, Miloševića... za mnenje, če je bila USA vojaško uspešna. Sploh pa ni bil cilj USA si prisvojiti ozemlje in ga imeti kot svojo državo, to menda ja veš. Med drugim so pokazali tudi superiornost svojih orožij, za razliko od Rusov.

Hočeš povedati, da so bile intervencije v Iraku, Afganistanu, Libiji in Siriji uspešne, čeprav so uničile normalne delujoče države, ki so še sedaj v razsulu? Kaj pa je bil po tvoje cilj teh intervencij?
Te nič ne moti, da so miljoni ljudi izgubili življenje samo zato, da je zahod pokazal superiornost svojeg orožja?

fur80 je 11. apr 2023 ob 12:01 izjavil:

Seveda je bila uspešna, kot sem ti napisal, vprašaj Gadafija, Al bagdadija, Bin Ladna, Miloševiča, Huseina,... pa še podpredsednike in sinove, ter tako naprej.
Boš mogel malo več napisati o teh miljonih ljudi! Kje pa kdaj? Libija, Sirija? Koliko miljonov si hotel napisti, da je umorila USA in NATO? Miljoni, to pomeni 5 miljonov, 10 miljonov, 100 miljonov? Potem pa boma šla gledati podatke!
V Siriji kolikor vem, so USA podpirale Kurde proti ISIS, v Libiji se je vmešal NATO, predvsem Francija.

Če želiš ocenjavati uspešnost ameriških intervencij, imaš spodaj par številk. To so direktne vojne žrtve, smrti zaradi posledic vojne niso vštete. Seveda v teh številkah ni upoštevano dejstvo, da so to sedaj uničene države, iz katerih begunci prihajajo v Evropo.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/cos...

The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 387,072 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars. Civilian deaths have also resulted from U.S. post-9/11 military operations in Somalia and other countries.

People living in the war zones have been killed in their homes, in markets, and on roadways. They have been killed by bombs, bullets, fire, improvised explosive devices (IEDs), and drones. Civilians die at checkpoints, as they are run off the road by military vehicles, when they step on mines or cluster bombs, as they collect wood or tend to their fields, and when they are kidnapped and executed for purposes of revenge or intimidation. They are killed by the United States, by its allies, and by insurgents and sectarians in the civil wars spawned by the invasions.

War can also lead to death weeks or months after battles. Many times more people in the warzones have died as a result of battered infrastructure and poor health conditions arising from the wars than directly from its violence. For example, war refugees often lose access to a stable food supply or to their jobs, resulting in increased malnutrition and vulnerability to disease.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 11:18 izjavil:

Washington Post piše o možnostih za uspeh ukrajinske ofenzive in stanju ukrajinske vojske. Zgleda, da se tudi ZDA zavedajo, da ta ofenziva nima velikih možnosti za uspeh. Kaj pa pravite pro ukrajinci na ST, kakšne so možnosti za uspeh? Jest mislim, da bo ta ofenziva začetek konca, če jo bodo sploh sprožili v večjem obsegu.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national...

Pomoje je tole psyop.

Another senior Ukrainian official said the leaked documents were unlikely to compromise the planned counteroffensive. “Everyone knows we’re low on ammunition — the president and the defense minister talk about that openly,” the official said. “And it’s been obvious to everyone since November that the next counteroffensive will be focused on the south, first Melitopol and then Berdyansk. But the exact place — we can change that the week before.”

Kdor nima ravno spomina zlate ribice se bo spomnil septembra lani, ko so na vsa usta glasno govorili, kako bodo vrgli vse kar imajo v Kherson. In potem kolabirali fronto pri Krupjansku in zaprli severni dostop do Slovijanska. Zdaj govorijo kako je popolnoma očitno, da bo naslednja ofenziva proti Melitopolu. Rusko poveljstvo ima spomin zlate ribice, zato to gre čez brez problema.

A na slo-tech obstaja opcija ignore? Vedno kaj rad preberem, samo te proruske nabijalce bi pa rad problokiral, ker pišejo same propagandne neumnosti. Noro.

Kako je kaj na fronti? Ali se Ukrajincem spoh splača nazaj zasesti donbass regijo? Kakor berem/gledam, je tam praktično vse stolčeno? Mogoče je najbolje da grejo s protiofenzivo direktno na strateško pomemben Krim, tam v Donnbassu jih pa tolčejo po glavi da je jih je vedno manj.

Zakaj se Ukrajinci šparajo in ne napadajo ciljev globoko v Rusiji? Je to nek tihi dogovor med svetovnimi velesilami? Tudi, če bi Rusi hotli napasti s taktičnimi jederskimi bombami se jim pomojem ne splača. Če mene vprašaš bi se že našel kakšen ukrajinec, da bi sabotrial neko rusko jedersko elektrarno.

Se ve kdo je vrgel v zrak severni tok? Vse kaže na ruski avtogol?

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 13:38 izjavil:

Zepter101 je 11. apr 2023 ob 13:23 izjavil:

Torej Ukrajina ni ameriška lutka.

Še en ruski argument je busted.

Hja, to bolj kaže na totalno nesposobnost zahodnih obveščevalnih služb. Glede na fiasko v Afganistanu se mi je zdelo, da stanje ne more biti rožnato. Da se pa pri vsem orožju in miljardah, ki jih zmečemo v Ukrajino, zahod zanaša samo na Ukrajince in na podatke iz odprtih virov, se mi je zdelo pa skoraj neverjetno...

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-u...

The fact that the Pentagon does not seem to have any independently generated intelligence about the Ukrainian army is shocking. They seem to have be relying on Ukrainian propaganda numbers and publicly available deployments data, like the open source Deployment Map. For the record, this is not a knock on the Deployment Map site - I use this resource frequently and find it very useful. The point, of course, is that the Pentagon, with its nearly unlimited resources, does not seem to have any unique insight or intelligence streams of its own in this regard. They gesture vaguely at the map and mutter, “there’s probably a brigade or two in this area, maybe 8,000 men. Or 4,000. We don’t really know.” In fact, all of their axis strength assessments for Ukraine have a 100% margin of error (that is, the upper limit of the range is double the lower limit).

One can only conclude that the tail is wagging the dog. The Ukrainians are able to extract material, training, and cash from the west, but there is little accountability or honest information flow in return. There were hints of this earlier in the war - that Ukraine is a sort of black box which sucks in resources but does not communicate honestly in return; American officials have complained (and Ukrainian leaders have confirmed) that Kiev simply does not tell DC all that much. Apparently this remains an issue well over a year into the conflict. One particularly alarming footnote in the leaked documents states:

"We have low confidence in Russian (RUS) And Ukrainian (UKR) attrition rates and inventories because of information gaps, OPSEC and IO efforts, and potential bias in UKR information sharing."

Good grief.

One other issue is the Pentagon’s estimate of Russian vehicle losses. It seems that here too they are copy-pasting external estimates. In this case, they appear to be using the “documented” vehicle losses from the Oryx project. Oryx is… interesting. In theory, they are tabulating visually documented equipment losses, which sounds very scientific and hard to dispute. Furthermore, the sheer mass of pictures they have accumulated is something of a verification deterrent - nobody really wants to sort through thousands of pictures and keep score.

It would seem that, much like in the case of Ukrainian force generation and losses, the Pentagon simply does not have any sort of robust or meaningful insight of its own. There would seem to be no independent intelligence streams at work here - only a mindless regurgitation of Ukrainian MOD propaganda numbers and dubious open source projects like Oryx. The American military increasingly seems to be a hollowed out simulacrum of its past glories, decaying behind a façade of shiny machines and bloated budgets - a trillion dollar technobureaucratic jobs program coasting on the residual patriotic fumes of red state American boys.

It has long been apparent that the Kiev regime has no real plan, no firm path to victory, and only a tenuous and unfriendly relationship with reality. Far more terrifying is the thought that the Pentagon is much the same.

Big serge je pač še en v seriji prodajalcev ruskega copiuma. Objav izpred pol leta nima več,. Verjetno jih je pobrisal


https://bigserge.substack.com/p/ukraine...

I do not believe this is an “ambush” per se by the Russian army. The word ambush implies that the Russian forces were already in position, drawing the Ukrainians into a specific maneuver plan where they could be attacked from prepared positions. That’s not what’s happening at all - Russian forces are coming in fresh from reserve and were not pre-deployed to the sector. What the operation reflects instead is Russia’s preference to wage Oka high-firepower, mobile defense. Frontline positions are, relatively speaking, thinly manned, which powerful mobile reserves are held back. This is a flexible, firefighting approach which allows the Ukrainians to advance into vulnerable positions so that they can be destroyed

Stikalo je 11. apr 2023 ob 13:32 izjavil:

A na slo-tech obstaja opcija ignore? Vedno kaj rad preberem, samo te proruske nabijalce bi pa rad problokiral, ker pišejo same propagandne neumnosti. Noro.

Kako je kaj na fronti? Ali se Ukrajincem spoh splača nazaj zasesti donbass regijo? Kakor berem/gledam, je tam praktično vse stolčeno? Mogoče je najbolje da grejo s protiofenzivo direktno na strateško pomemben Krim, tam v Donnbassu jih pa tolčejo po glavi da je jih je vedno manj.

Zakaj se Ukrajinci šparajo in ne napadajo ciljev globoko v Rusiji? Je to nek tihi dogovor med svetovnimi velesilami? Tudi, če bi Rusi hotli napasti s taktičnimi jederskimi bombami se jim pomojem ne splača. Če mene vprašaš bi se že našel kakšen ukrajinec, da bi sabotrial neko rusko jedersko elektrarno.

Se ve kdo je vrgel v zrak severni tok? Vse kaže na ruski avtogol?

Približno se ve, kako stvari stojijo. Ukrajinci so že rekli, da hočejo zasesti vse nazaj, do svojih pravih, mednarodno priznanih mej. Vmes je bil en avto-komentar enega od svetovalcev Zelenskega, da preden udarijo po Krimu, da bi se pogovarjali naprej (z Rusi). Potem, ko so Rusi že skočili (vsi srečni, da se vsaj nekdo hoče pogajati) - je prišel hladen tuš - da je to bolj mišljeno, da morda pa se Rusi umaknejo, ker Ukrajinci nameravajo to vse zasesti, samo vprašanje časa in ton granat je, kako se bo to zgodilo.

Donbas je ves stolčen, no, Severodoneck ni, samo že Mariupol je v prafaktorjih. Tam je na 12 km2 bila jeklarna, ki je tam mislim da od leta 1933 - ta je šla v franže komplet.

Glede napadov Rusije, so Ukrajinci rekli, da si pridržujejo pravico, da napadajo kjerkoli in kadarkoli se jim zdi potrebno. ZDA pa so rekle, da pa z orožjem Zahoda pa se t ne sme. In na tej točki so nekako obstali.

Glede jedrskega orožja je tudi Kitajska rekla, ne samo da Rusija "ne sme" vreči bomb, ampak niti govoriti (=groziti) ne sme s tem. Narativa je jasna - če bo Rusija vlačila naprej jedrsko orožje, potem je jasno, da ima Kim prav. Vsakdo rabi jedrsko bombo, da ga potem drugi narodi ne najedajo.

Severni tok pa je malo šel v pozabo - zgleda pa da so to res razstrelili specialni ameriški potapljači, ob asistenci Norvežanov. Ampak kot kaže, nikomur se s tem severnim tokom ne mudi preveč. Niti Nemcem ne. So pa Norvežani postavili radarje okrog svojih črpališč, ker so se menda neki droni spreletavali tam, zapovrh so Norvežne obtožili vojnega dobičkarstva. Oni zdaj v nulo prodajo vso nafto in plin in so zasuti z denarjem.

Zdaj se čaka velika Ukrajinska ofenziva, še najedanje orkov pri Bakmutu je nekako bom rekel, v drugem planu. Ukrajinci so se umaknili iza železniške proge, ki deli Bakmut na dva dela, torej so orki zasedli polovico Bakmuta. Ukrajinci so minirali (in podrli) stavbe in tudi nastavili protitankovske in pehotne mine po ulicah. Še IED so nastavili. Tako da se orki ne morejo ne zapeljati, ne iti peš, če pa kdo poskuša kaj deminirati, pa ga Ukrajinci snajpajo z 338 Lapua Magnum kalibrom.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 13:29 izjavil:

Edino to mi je sumljivo, da WP in NYT zelo korektno poročata o tem. Mogoče so se odločili, da bodo leak uporabili kot off ramp za Ukrajino?

Jaz res ne vem, v katerem vesolju ti živiš? Svobodni mediji poročajo svobodno.

NYT je bil v konzorciju, ki je publiciral Cable Leaks

United States diplomatic cables leak @ Wikipedia
On 28 November, the first 220 cables were published under this agreement by El País (Spain), Der Spiegel (Germany), Le Monde (France), The Guardian (United Kingdom), and The New York Times (United States).[4]



Collateral murder so pa predstavili na tiskovni konferenci v prostorih društva novinarjev v Washingtonu

July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike @ Wikipedia
The footage was released during an April 5 press conference at the US National Press Club, and subsequently on a designated website titled Collateral Murder. WikiLeaks stated that the footage shows the "murder of Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists".[65][66]

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 14:49 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 11. apr 2023 ob 14:27 izjavil:

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 13:29 izjavil:

Edino to mi je sumljivo, da WP in NYT zelo korektno poročata o tem. Mogoče so se odločili, da bodo leak uporabili kot off ramp za Ukrajino?

Jaz res ne vem, v katerem vesolju ti živiš? Svobodni mediji poročajo svobodno.

Jest živim v vesolju, kjer je prvi zadetek poročanja NYT o odkritju S.H. na dan 7.3.2023, to je skoraj mesec in pol po bombastičnem članku priznanega raziskovalnega novinarja o državnem terorizmu. Še ta članek ponuja alternativno teorijo, za katero švedski preiskovalci pravijo, da ni verjetna. Ne vem kako to drugače opisati kot ignoriranje blockbuster zgodbe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=seymour...

Podobno je z WP, prvi članek 14 dni po članku S.H.

https://www.google.com/search?q=seymour...

seymour hersh je senilni starec, ki se šlepa na pretekli image.
Ni prvi, ni zadnji.

Pa nikogar več ne briga tista cev za ruske prdce.

Sploh pa če bi to zbombali amerikanci, ne bi pustili delujoče cevi.

Pac-Man je 11. apr 2023 ob 16:17 izjavil:

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 14:49 izjavil:

Jest živim v vesolju, kjer je prvi zadetek poročanja NYT o odkritju S.H. na dan 7.3.2023, to je skoraj mesec in pol po bombastičnem članku priznanega raziskovalnega novinarja o državnem terorizmu.

"Odkritje" S.H. se je izkazalo za popolno sranje. Zakaj ga je objavil na Substacku in ne v kakem eminentnem mediju?

Ker imajo mediji urednike, ki bi pred objavo preverili navedbe.


Zdaj se ga pa fact-checka post-faktum in to na Substacku :)

Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream
On the surface Seymour Hersh's story looks passable, but as you dig deeper it has more holes than the Nord Stream pipeline.


Vse preverljive navedbe so se izkazale za laži, ostane samo leposlovje, ki jih drži skupaj.

Dobro napisano.
Lepo debunka Hershove neumnosti.

Pac-Man je 11. apr 2023 ob 16:17 izjavil:

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 14:49 izjavil:

Jest živim v vesolju, kjer je prvi zadetek poročanja NYT o odkritju S.H. na dan 7.3.2023, to je skoraj mesec in pol po bombastičnem članku priznanega raziskovalnega novinarja o državnem terorizmu.

"Odkritje" S.H. se je izkazalo za popolno sranje. Zakaj ga je objavil na Substacku in ne v kakem eminentnem mediju?

Ker imajo mediji urednike, ki bi pred objavo preverili navedbe.


Zdaj se ga pa fact-checka post-faktum in to na Substacku :)

Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream
On the surface Seymour Hersh's story looks passable, but as you dig deeper it has more holes than the Nord Stream pipeline.


Vse preverljive navedbe so se izkazale za laži, ostane samo leposlovje, ki jih drži skupaj.

Dober prispevek,ki se ga dejansko splača prebrati.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 17:51 izjavil:

Lonsarg je 11. apr 2023 ob 16:53 izjavil:

Taiwan se oborožuje že desetletja, pa Kitajska vseeno ni tok trigger-happy kot Rusija in ni napadla. US ima pač tam svoj interes in oborožuje, še vedno je na Taiwanu in Kitajski da se zmenita in da imata mir, če se bosta poklala med sabo bo US bolj slab izgovor. Vedno se najde nekdo ki rad profitira ko se drugi med sabo koljejo, še vedno je na tistih ki se koljejo, da se zmenijo.

In to velja tudi v Ukrajina vs Rusija. Ukrajino je Rusija napadla že leta 2014, ko sploh še ni bilo v igri oboroževanje. Oboroževanje in javni pozivi k NATU (ki so ble sicer zgolj populistične floskule Ukrajinskih politikov) se je dejansko takrat šele začelo. Mislim halo kaj pa pričakuješ od države ki jo napadeš in vzameš Krim in nato še dalje netiš nemire v Donbasu regiji, da bo mirno gledala in da ne bo iskala oborožitvenega partnerja? Čisto logično je, da je potem taka država pripravljena podpisat pogodbo z hudičem (ZDA) v zameno za orožje. Rusija je gromozansko napako naredila ko je netila nemir v Donbasu. Rusija je takrat imela samo dve dobri šansi, ali se zadovolji z Krimom ali pa takoj napade. To da so se odločili za tretjo opcijo, povzročati nemire in destabilizirati Donbas, se drugače kot z militarizacijo Ukrajine niti ni moglo končat.

Pač ZDA so vžigalca ki po celem svetu vžigajo nemire (hec vžigalc pa je, da če ene ni se že neka druga najde). Ampak ta vžigalca deluje le kadar zadeva tli že od prej in je na samem robu. Rusija je sama posrbela da je bila med Ukrajino in Rusijo konkretna žerjavca..

Se strinjam, ZDA izkoriščajo obstoječe konflikte in razdore za doseganje svojih ciljev. Kolikšna je odgovornost ZDA in Rusije za konflikt v Ukrajini, je nemogoče izračunati. Kot zanimivost, ZDA so začele v Ukrajini rovariti že takoj po končani WW2, takrat so hoteli Banderovce uporabiti proti Sovjetski Zvezi. Projekt so spet obudili po razpadu SZ.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/0...

The CIA’s plan, part of its “stay behind” operations in Central and Eastern Europe, was to airdrop Ukrainians from the ultra-nationalist groups, in particular OUN-B, that would involve the smuggling of weapons, the uses of covert communication transmissions, spies, commandos, banditry, assassins and sabotage.

A declassified secret CIA history shows that the Agency refused to extradite the OUN war criminal Bandera to the Soviets in order to keep the underground movement and the destabilization efforts in Ukraine intact.

Instead, two branches of the CIA, the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) for covert operations and the Office of Special Operations (OSO) for clandestine projects for which the U.S. government provided cover, both protected the OUN and worked closely with the anti-Soviet Ukraine Insurgent Army (UPA) “for psychological warfare activities directed against Polish, Czechoslovakian, and Romanian targets bordering Ukraine.”

Se pravi,da so Američani po razpadu SZ hoteli Ukrajince uporabiti za napad na Rusijo? Kje bi Ukrajina napadla Rusijo? Direkt na Moskvo ali proti Kavkazu? Oboje naenkrat? Uhuhuhu

Očitno so rusofili imeli prav in so Ukrajinci dejansko redili golobe v CIA sponzoriranih bioloabih

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDeadDistr...

mackilla je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:14 izjavil:

Se pravi,da so Američani po razpadu SZ hoteli Ukrajince uporabiti za napad na Rusijo? Kje bi Ukrajina napadla Rusijo? Direkt na Moskvo ali proti Kavkazu? Oboje naenkrat? Uhuhuhu

Rusijo so hoteli vplesti v konflikt v Ukrajini preko ruske manjšine v Donbasu, s spodbujanjem ukrajinskega nacionalizma. Američani so organizirali državni udar in odstavili demokratično izvoljenega predsednika.
Saj je bilo že zdavnaj očitno, kako se bo to končalo. Članek iz 2014:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...


Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.

Like the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been turned into a CIA theme park – run personally by CIA director John Brennan in Kiev, with dozens of "special units" from the CIA and FBI setting up a "security structure" that oversees savage attacks on those who opposed the February coup. Watch the videos, read the eye-witness reports from the massacre in Odessa this month. Bussed fascist thugs burned the trade union headquarters, killing 41 people trapped inside. Watch the police standing by.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

mackilla je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:14 izjavil:

Se pravi,da so Američani po razpadu SZ hoteli Ukrajince uporabiti za napad na Rusijo? Kje bi Ukrajina napadla Rusijo? Direkt na Moskvo ali proti Kavkazu? Oboje naenkrat? Uhuhuhu

Rusijo so hoteli vplesti v konflikt v Ukrajini preko ruske manjšine v Donbasu, s spodbujanjem ukrajinskega nacionalizma. Američani so organizirali državni udar in odstavili demokratično izvoljenega predsednika.

Torej Putin je CIA agent ?

Dela namreč vse kontra od koristi Rusije:
- skrbi za nove NATO članice
- daljša mejo z NATOm
- Uničuje zaloge orožja
- uničuje domačo industrijo
- iz države mu je pobegnilo 1,3 miljona ljudi
- Ruski posli z orožjem za Indijo gredo k vragu
- ...

Če ni Putin najbolši CIA agent ever. Lastnoročno bo uničil Rusijo.

Rusko cesarstvo > SZ > RF > Moskovia ?
Vsako iteracijo manjša in bolj revna

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

mackilla je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:14 izjavil:

Se pravi,da so Američani po razpadu SZ hoteli Ukrajince uporabiti za napad na Rusijo? Kje bi Ukrajina napadla Rusijo? Direkt na Moskvo ali proti Kavkazu? Oboje naenkrat? Uhuhuhu

Rusijo so hoteli vplesti v konflikt v Ukrajini preko ruske manjšine v Donbasu, s spodbujanjem ukrajinskega nacionalizma. Američani so organizirali državni udar in odstavili demokratično izvoljenega predsednika.
Saj je bilo že zdavnaj očitno, kako se bo to končalo. Članek iz 2014:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...


Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.

Like the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been turned into a CIA theme park – run personally by CIA director John Brennan in Kiev, with dozens of "special units" from the CIA and FBI setting up a "security structure" that oversees savage attacks on those who opposed the February coup. Watch the videos, read the eye-witness reports from the massacre in Odessa this month. Bussed fascist thugs burned the trade union headquarters, killing 41 people trapped inside. Watch the police standing by.

Podpirati ali organizirati, to je velika razlika.


In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU. Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

Trebalo malo več o tem napisati, kakšna grožnje so bila iz strani rusije, če ukrajina to podpiše.

Limaš tisto, kar ti najbol paše, pač ruski troll.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:18 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:12 izjavil:

Daj razloži kako bi Washington zasegel Sevastopol v Ukrajini, ki ga je imela Rusija v najemu za 30+ let?

Ukrajinci bi Rusom prekinili najemno pogodbo za vojaško pristanišče in izgnali Ruse. Ne rabijo ZDA fizično zaseč Sevastopola, za to imajo podizvajalce...

Ukrajinci lahko delajo na svojem ozemlju kar želijo. Tudi prekinejo najemno pogodbo za vojaško bazo.
Če Rusi mislijo drugače bodo očitno domov šli z zbiti zobmi in več NATO državami okoli sebe

Sploh pa količina mrtvih + izseljeni + travmatizirani od voje bo popolnoma porušila že sedaj zanič demografsko sliko Rusije.
Že sedaj je povprečna življenska doba za moške krajša od meje za it v penzijo, čez 30 let bodo pa Rusi izumrli

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:30 izjavil:

scythe je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:19 izjavil:

Podpirati ali organizirati, to je velika razlika.


In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU. Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

Trebalo malo več o tem napisati, kakšna grožnje so bila iz strani rusije, če ukrajina to podpiše.

Limaš tisto, kar ti najbol paše, pač ruski troll.

Poglej si leakan telefonski pogovor med Victorio Nuland in ameriškim veleposlanikom v Ukrajini, ko se dogovarjajo, kdo bo v ukrajinski vladi po državnem udaru. Vlada je bila sestavljena točno po dogovoru iz tega klica. Bolj znan je po izjavi Nulandove "Fuck the EU!". Meni se to bolj kot podpora to zdi organizacija.



Victoria Nuland, Asst. Sec. of State for Europe, phone call to US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, in a phone call leaked to the news media on 4 February 2014. F**k the EU

What's really important here is the level of planning for the coup that overthrew the elected President Viktor Yanukovych, which brought to power (as heard on the recording) a group of select individuals described as "moderate democrats." In fact, most of them, including Oleh Tyahnybok (whom Nuland insists the new head of state consult four times weekly), are a far-right nationalist faction with overt and long-standing ties to the neo-Nazi movement. Meet the characters in the story that led to what's called "the worst crisis since the old cold war" and which Russia experts at American universities describe as a new cold war more dangerous than the first.

Poglej si tole:

Tu lepo razloži kako in od kdaj je Putin CIA agent.

Ruska duma je danes podprla predlog zakona o vzpostavitvi digitalnega naborniškega sistema. Tiskovni predstavnik Kremlja Dmitrij Peskov je poudaril, da so nove spremembe potrebne za izpopolnitev in posodobitev sistema vpoklica v vojsko. Prepričan je, da nova zakonodaja ne bo sprožila preplaha v državi.

Spet bodo bežali iz države

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:30 izjavil:

scythe je 11. apr 2023 ob 19:19 izjavil:

Podpirati ali organizirati, to je velika razlika.


In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU. Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

Trebalo malo več o tem napisati, kakšna grožnje so bila iz strani rusije, če ukrajina to podpiše.

Limaš tisto, kar ti najbol paše, pač ruski troll.

Poglej si leakan telefonski pogovor med Victorio Nuland in ameriškim veleposlanikom v Ukrajini, ko se dogovarjajo, kdo bo v ukrajinski vladi po državnem udaru. Vlada je bila sestavljena točno po dogovoru iz tega klica. Bolj znan je po izjavi Nulandove "Fuck the EU!". Meni se to bolj kot podpora to zdi organizacija.



Victoria Nuland, Asst. Sec. of State for Europe, phone call to US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, in a phone call leaked to the news media on 4 February 2014. F**k the EU

What's really important here is the level of planning for the coup that overthrew the elected President Viktor Yanukovych, which brought to power (as heard on the recording) a group of select individuals described as "moderate democrats." In fact, most of them, including Oleh Tyahnybok (whom Nuland insists the new head of state consult four times weekly), are a far-right nationalist faction with overt and long-standing ties to the neo-Nazi movement. Meet the characters in the story that led to what's called "the worst crisis since the old cold war" and which Russia experts at American universities describe as a new cold war more dangerous than the first.

Sem dosti prebral o tem protestu in o povezavi med Janukovič in Rusijo pred protesti 2014(Viri ruske strani), o različnih teorijah zarote.

Če bi ostal Janukoviča na oblasti, bi danes bila ukrajina nova belorusija.

bciciban_ je 11. apr 2023 ob 20:15 izjavil:

Ruska duma je danes podprla predlog zakona o vzpostavitvi digitalnega naborniškega sistema. Tiskovni predstavnik Kremlja Dmitrij Peskov je poudaril, da so nove spremembe potrebne za izpopolnitev in posodobitev sistema vpoklica v vojsko. Prepričan je, da nova zakonodaja ne bo sprožila preplaha v državi.

Spet bodo bežali iz države

Today, Putin's spokesman Peskov said that a second wave of mobilization in Russia is not being considered. Last time he announced that there would be no mobilization - on September 13th. And on September 21, mobilization was announced in Russia.

Rambutan je 11. apr 2023 ob 20:39 izjavil:

Ja, saj so imeli že sklenjen sporazum o predčasnih volitvah. Potem se je pa zgodil incident z ostrostrelci, protestniki so vdrli v parlament in Janukovič je pobegnil.

Ravno obratno. Dogovor je bil podpisan 21. februarja, "incident z ostrostrelci" je bil 20. februarja.

Maidan casualties @ Wikipedia

https://www.politico.eu/article/yanukov...

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Vitaly Klitschko, Oleh Tyahnybok and Arseniy Yatsenyuk signed on behalf of the opposition, which has been camping out on Kiev’s main square since November.

At one point today, Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister and one of three EU envoys, was overheard telling protest leaders: “If you don’t support this, you’ll have martial law, you’ll have the army. You will all be dead.”

Under the deal, the 2004 constitution was to be reinstated within 48 hours; this happened in the afternoon, when the Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine’s parliament, endorsed the 2004 constitution with a sweeping majority. This is to lead within ten days to a national-unity government of the current ruling party and opposition.

Protesters are to withdraw from their camps, and the government refrains from imposing a state of emergency. Protesters have 24 hours from the 2004 constitution being reinstated to surrender illegal weapons. Constitutional reform to balance the powers of president, government and parliament are to start immediately and conclude by September. As soon as the new constitution is adopted, but at the latest by December, a new president is to be elected, under new electoral laws.

The deal also foresees an investigation into the violence that has cost dozens of lives, primarily of protesters. Many were killed yesterday, when special forces snipers opened fire on protesters. The investigation is to be monitored by the authorities, the opposition and the Council of Europe. Sikorski witnessed the agreement on behalf of the EU, together with foreign ministers Frank-Walter Steinmeier of Germany and Laurent Fabius of France, although Fabious had to leave Kiev early this morning.

Vladimir Lukin signed the agreement as a witness on behalf of President of Russia Vladimir Putin – Yanukovych’s main backer.

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Lesoto je 11. apr 2023 ob 18:29 izjavil:

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A video has surfaced of British soldiers bidding farewell to their Ukrainian colleagues who were going back to the frontlines after training in the UK. Solidarity will overcome all.

Moram priznati, da ko sem to videl sem dobil solzne oči!

Stone je putinov fanboy dokumetarec pa je temu primerno pristranski.
Sicer pa se rusija že vsa leta meša v ukrajinske interne zadeva, vključno z zastrupljanjem neljubih politikov.
Leti 2014 in 2022 sta bili samo nadaljevanje te politike in poizkusa dokončne podreditve ukrajine.
Ravno zaradi takega odnosa je rusija dokončno izgubila ukrajino in si nakopala generacije sovraštva prej rusiji precej naklonjenega prebivalstva.