Iran - odštevanje 2

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 08:12 izjavil:

Če to naredijo, jih bo šlo veliko na zatožno klop. Morda tudi Bush Jr. in Blair, če bosta tedaj še živa.

Še enekaj o 'prinašalcih demokracije', ki bi to radi počeli tudi v Iranu:
The So-Called War on Terror Has Killed Over 801,000 People and Cost $6.4 Trillion: New Analysis
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/...

tony1 je 17. jan 2020 ob 08:41 izjavil:

Lahko bi, pa je bolj zabavno, če do nje pridejo tako, da zraven military industrial complex še zasluži v božjo mater

Sve davkoplačevalski narod to pozlati

DrDre95 je 17. jan 2020 ob 08:37 izjavil:

Mene zanima kaj USA sploh počnejo na tistem koncu planeta? Iran, Irak, Sirija... zakaj jim je tako pomembno da jih konstantno napadajo?

Pa ne mi s pravljicami o olju, za denar ki so ga zapravili za te posege bi lahko kupili vso zalogo ki jo tam imajo.

In Saudi Arabia, where the oil resources constitute a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history ... It seems to us to be important that this area, because of its resources and geographical position athwart the sea and air routes between East and West, should be in the hands of a people following the paths of democratic civilization rather than those of Eastern dictatorships.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:49 izjavil:

Prosim, da Smrekarjevih nebuloz in tudi drugih dolgih komentarjev v odgovorih ne citirate v celoti, ker tema postane nepregledna.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:49 izjavil:

Primarni razlog je nadzor nad trgovino z nafto, glavni namen tega nadzora pa je ohranitev dolarja kot globalnega menjalnega sredstva. Brez tega je dolar ničvreden in ZDA implodirajo vase.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:49 izjavil:

Primarni razlog je nadzor nad trgovino z nafto, glavni namen tega nadzora pa je ohranitev dolarja kot globalnega menjalnega sredstva. Brez tega je dolar ničvreden in ZDA implodirajo vase.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:49 izjavil:

Seveda je nafta, le da primarno iz drugega razloga in šele sekundarno zaradi dostopa do pomembne surovine. Primarni razlog je nadzor nad trgovino z nafto, glavni namen tega nadzora pa je ohranitev dolarja kot globalnega menjalnega sredstva. Brez tega je dolar ničvreden in ZDA implodirajo vase.

While the U.S. accounts for about 20 percent of the world’s economic output, more than half of all global currency reserves and trade is in dollars. This is the result of the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement, the effect of which was enhanced when the link between the dollar and gold ended in the 1971 Nixon shock, allowing America to control the supply of the currency.

The dollar’s pivotal role — an “exorbitant privilege,” in the term coined by then French Finance Minister Valéry Giscard d'Estaing in 1965 — allows the U.S. easily to finance its trade and budget deficits. The nation is protected against balance-of-payments crises, because it imports and services borrowing in its own currency. American monetary policies, such as quantitative easing, can influence the value of the dollar to gain a competitive advantage.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 11:00 izjavil:

Tvoj odgovor je prazen in celo žaljiv (za inteligenco, seveda).

windigo je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:58 izjavil:

Kaj bi se zgodilo, če bi hitro rastoča kitajska mornarica začela varovati trgovsko pot me Iranom in Kitajsko, trgovina z nafto in ostalim blagom v drugo smer pa bi se obračunavala v RMB?

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:49 izjavil:

DrDre95 je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:35 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 17. jan 2020 ob 10:30 izjavil:

Itak da nafta. Hitler

Nafta ni ker jih več košta sedaj z vojnami kot če bi jo preprosto kupili. To je samo izgovor za vse tiste ki nočete povedati resnice.
Sicer ti je malce ušlo, moraš biti previden.

Seveda je nafta, le da primarno iz drugega razloga in šele sekundarno zaradi dostopa do pomembne surovine. Primarni razlog je nadzor nad trgovino z nafto, glavni namen tega nadzora pa je ohranitev dolarja kot globalnega menjalnega sredstva. Brez tega je dolar ničvreden in ZDA implodirajo vase.

While the U.S. accounts for about 20 percent of the world’s economic output, more than half of all global currency reserves and trade is in dollars. This is the result of the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement, the effect of which was enhanced when the link between the dollar and gold ended in the 1971 Nixon shock, allowing America to control the supply of the currency.

The dollar’s pivotal role — an “exorbitant privilege,” in the term coined by then French Finance Minister Valéry Giscard d'Estaing in 1965 — allows the U.S. easily to finance its trade and budget deficits. The nation is protected against balance-of-payments crises, because it imports and services borrowing in its own currency. American monetary policies, such as quantitative easing, can influence the value of the dollar to gain a competitive advantage.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne...

Prosim, da Smrekarjevih nebuloz in tudi drugih dolgih komentarjev v odgovorih ne citirate v celoti, ker tema postane nepregledna.

FTad je 17. jan 2020 ob 11:17 izjavil:

Glede na to, da Gadafiju ni uspelo, da se za nafto ne uporablja vec dolar, kaj bi se zgodilo v primeru, da se celotna EU odloci, da se jo kupuje v Evrih? Torej ZDA v kratkem casu zapadejo v krizo?

DrDre95 je 17. jan 2020 ob 11:30 izjavil:

Kaj so to evri? A ne veš da ne obstaja nobena valuta ki ni vezana na nafto?

When the United States went off the gold standard, the dollar basically replaced gold as the main asset in which foreign governments could hold their assets.

Dollar inflows from export sales are being converted into your currency, increasing its exchange rate. But by buying U.S. bonds or stocks, bid the price of dollars back up against your own currency.

So, when the United States runs a balance-of-payments deficit under conditions where other countries keep their foreign reserves in dollars, the effect is for other countries to keep their currencies' exchange rates stable - mainly by lending to the U.S. government. That gives the United States a free ride. It can encircle the world with military bases, and the dollars that this costs are returned to the United States.

The U.S. position is, in effect, that we are not going to repay any foreign country the dollar debt we owe them. As Treasury Secretary John Connolly said, "It's our dollars, but your problem." Other countries have to pay us or else we'll bomb them. The military dimension to this arrangement is the U.S. position that it would be an act of war if other countries don't keep spending their export earnings on loans or U.S. stocks and bonds.

That's what makes the United States the "exceptional country." The value of our currency is based on other countries' savings. The money they save has to be held in the form of dollars or securities that we're never going to repay, even if we could.

This is a huge free ride. You'd think that Donald Trump would want to keep it going. But he claims that China is manipulating its currency by recycling its dollars into loans to the U.S. Treasury. What does he mean by that? China is earning a lot of dollars by exports its goods to the United States. What does it do with these dollars? It tried to do what America did with Europe and South America: It tried to buy American companies. But the United States blocked it from doing this, on specious national security grounds. The government claims that our national security would be threatened if China would buy a chain of filling stations, as it wanted to do in California. The United States thus has a double standard, claiming that it is threatened if China buys any company, but insisting on its right to buy out the commanding heights of foreign economies with its electronic dollar credit.

That leaves China with only one option: It can buy U.S. Treasury bonds, lending its export earnings to the U.S. Treasury.

China now realizes that the U.S. Treasury isn't going to repay. Even if it wanted to recycle its export earnings into Treasury bonds or U.S. stocks and bonds or real estate, Donald Trump now is saying that he doesn't want China to support the dollar's exchange rate (and keep its own exchange rate down) by buying U.S. assets. We're telling China not to do what we've told other countries to do for the past forty years: to buy U.S. securities. Trump accuses countries of artificial currency manipulation if they keep their foreign reserves in dollars. So he's telling them, and specifically China, to get rid of their dollar holdings, not to buy dollars with their export earnings anymore.

So China is buying gold. Russia also is buying gold and much of the world is now in the process of reverting to the gold-exchange standard (meaning that gold is used to settle international payments imbalances, but is not connected to domestic money creation). Countries realize that there's a great advantage of the gold-exchange standard: There's only a limited amount of gold in the world's central banks. This means that any country that wages war is going to run such a large balance-of-payments deficit that it's going to lose its gold reserves. So reviving the role of gold may prevent any country, including the United States, from going to war and suffering a military deficit.

The irony is that Trump is breaking up America's financial free ride - its policy of monetary imperialism - by telling counties to stop recycling their dollar inflows. They've got to de-dollarize their economies.

The effect is to make these economies independent of the United States. Trump already has announced that we won't hire Chinese in our IT sectors or let Chinese study subjects at university that might enable them to rival us. So our economies are going to separate.

In effect, Trump has said that if we can't win in a trade deal, if we can't make other countries lose and become more dependent on U.S. suppliers and monopoly pricing, then we're not going to sign an agreement. This stance is driving not only China but Russia and even Europe and other countries all out of the U.S. orbit. The end result is going to be that the United States is going to be isolated, without being able to manufacture like it used to do. It's dismantled its manufacturing. So how will it get by?

Some population figures were released a week ago showing the middle of America is emptying out. The population is moving from the Midwestern and mountain states to the East and the West coasts and the Gulf Coast. So Trump's policies are accelerating the de-industrialization of the United States without doing anything to put new productive powers in place, and not even wanting other countries to invest here. The German car companies see Trump putting tariffs on the imported steel they need to build cars in the United States. It built them here to get around America's tariff barriers against German and other automobiles. But now Trump is not even letting them import the parts that they need to assemble these cars in the non-unionized plants they've built in the South.

What can they do? Perhaps they'll propose a trade with General Motors and Chrysler. The Europeans will get the factories that American companies own in Europe, and give them their American factories in exchange.

This kind of split is occurring without any attempt to make American labor more competitive by lowering its cost of housing, or the price of its health insurance and medical care, or its transportation costs or the infrastructure costs. So America is being left high and dry as a high-priced economy in a nationalistic world, while running a huge balance-of-payments deficit to support its military spending all over the globe.

Fritz je 17. jan 2020 ob 11:29 izjavil:

Vprašanje je ali je EU ekonomsko toliko pomembna za ZDA. Dokler države kupujejo nafto z dolarjem (in skoraj vse rabijo nafto) to pomeni, da lahko ZDA kadarkoli natisnejo (ustvarijo) svojo valuto in kupijo karkoli želijo od teh držav.

T-h-o-r je 17. jan 2020 ob 12:05 izjavil:

ZDA lahko prodajajo na tone obveznic, ki jih v realnosti nikoi ne bi/bodo mogli pokriti. Ker imajo vse države odvčene dolarje zaradi svetovne trgovine v dolarjih. Dolarje pa lahko tiskajo ravno zato, ker je nenehno povpraševanje po dolarjih. Preden so Ameri skenslali zlato, so lahko namesto ameriške obveznice kupovali zlato. Ampak Američani so imeli veliko premalo zlata, da bi krili valuto, zato so pač skenslali dogovor.

T-h-o-r je 17. jan 2020 ob 12:05 izjavil:

ZDA lahko prodajajo na tone obveznic, ki jih v realnosti nikoi ne bi/bodo mogli pokriti. Ker imajo vse države odvčene dolarje zaradi svetovne trgovine v dolarjih. Dolarje pa lahko tiskajo ravno zato, ker je nenehno povpraševanje po dolarjih.

Preden so Ameri skenslali zlato, so lahko namesto ameriške obveznice kupovali zlato. Ampak Američani so imeli veliko premalo zlata, da bi krili valuto, zato so pač skenslali dogovor.

T-h-o-r je 17. jan 2020 ob 12:16 izjavil:

DrDre95 je 17. jan 2020 ob 12:15 izjavil:

Se naglas smejim ko berem te vaše petrodolar teorije zarote

ZDA se hoče zameriti celemu planetu in z ljudmi ki trgujejo z njihovo valuto začeti vojno, da bojo lahko doalrji več vredni. Dobro so vas, dobro.

Dobesedno to Trump dela, ja. Minira monopolno pozicijo samega sebe.