špekuliranje cen kriptovalut in ICO-jev

slotechar je 30. nov 2017 ob 21:56 izjavil:

A kto ve kdaj tocno se bo predvajala tista nadaljevanka dans o bitcoinu? The big bang theory

Ob 02.00 po nasem casu. Link: https://www.episodate.com/tv-show/the-b...

slotechar je 30. nov 2017 ob 22:03 izjavil:

Hvala. Se prav cez 4 ure a ne? Ok sej vidm odstevanje na linku. Kaj pricakujete. Bo kaj vplivalo. Vsaj malo?

Bomo videli, odvisno kako so posneli epizodo. Lahko da bo veliko ljudi mislilo, da je bitcoin pac nekaj izmisljenega v seriji(tisti ki bitcoina ne poznajo), zanimivo bo videti.

I am very proud to announce that our new rewarding system is now LIVE. We hit our deadline again and delivered as promised. Help us by contributing, growing and promoting the cause!!

https://www.viberate.com/participation

Fantje, kupte dokler je vajb še dokaj cheap. To je x5 potencial imo

Zahvalite se mi lahko čez pol leta

Kraken že 3h želim poslat kovance na MEW pa piše Service is currently disabled. Please try again later...great. Ok sem dal refresh in nimam več ETH...nikjer pa ne najdem da je bilo kaj prenešeno, dobil sem samo mail da se je zgodil transfer. Sovražim Kraken, upam da se res prenesejo kovanci -.-

Obstaja kakšna borza kot je coinbase, kjer lahko direktno s kartico kupiš Ripple?

To, da si morda ti tisti, ki se moti, pa ni na meniju? :)

perci ima prav. Za noobe prihajajo težki časi. Na misel mi pridejo oni veliki kiti ki žrejo plankton (noobe). Kar navalite, mah saj bo kmalu spet plača itd. itd.

Verjetno se strinjamo, da je precej dobra možnost, da bo BTC v kratkem korigiran.

Kaj se zgodi s shitcoini, ko BTC pada?

Ne ker borze niso delale

Vazelin je 1. dec 2017 ob 00:33 izjavil:

Če ste zadeli vse vrhove in padce v zadnjem dnevu ste lahko sredstva skor podvojili
Presenetljivo se je to odbilo v kratkem času

Če si malo jasnovidca in že poznaš loto številke, ki bodo izžrebane v naslednjem krogu komot neseš 50 mio. Če ti to ni dovolj lahko vplačaš loto v Ameriki in neseš 500 mio. Easy money.

jaz celo malo razmišljam, da bi počakal na resen "smart money". lahko bo še kdaj, lahko ne. trenutna situacija je imo precej tvegana za strganje nekaj 10 procentov.

perci je 1. dec 2017 ob 00:30 izjavil:

Verjetno se strinjamo, da je precej dobra možnost, da bo BTC v kratkem korigiran.

Morda, morda pa tudi ne. Napovedovati stvari z gotovostjo v kripto svetu je precej neodgovorno.

Če si dober špekulant lahko delaš lepe milijone čistega plusa vsako leto. Morda ne s kriptovalutami, gotovo pa to velja na kakih resnih borzah. Vidim, da tu gor ste iz pravega testa...

Zivjo mene pa zanima kaj si mislite o ngc ?

rollback time pa ti ratajo miljoni ;) drugač pa itak je 98% icojev nateg pa 95% shitcoinov shitcoini... mogoče edin potencial je btcz

Vazelin je 30. nov 2017 ob 22:37 izjavil:

I am very proud to announce that our new rewarding system is now LIVE. We hit our deadline again and delivered as promised. Help us by contributing, growing and promoting the cause!!

https://www.viberate.com/participation

Fantje, kupte dokler je vajb še dokaj cheap. To je x5 potencial imo

Zahvalite se mi lahko čez pol leta

Resno? Tole je bistveno vecji potencial
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@luc...

Ok, zdaj spet prikazuje. Kaj toliko časa rabi MEW da synca? Po več kot 8 ur?

Vazelin je 30. nov 2017 ob 21:49 izjavil:

mene zanima kaj @grun nakupuje. ziher nekaj dokupuje

nič nisem dokupoval, ker se mi zdi še preveč rizično. sem pa svoje najšekulativnejše kojne trejdal in sicer gas prodal v usdt z ~50% izgubo, stratis verjetno z nulo nekje pretočil v gnosis katerega mislim držat in za katerega menim da bom na njem popušil večino...

hamez66 je 1. dec 2017 ob 01:58 izjavil:

profdoktor je 1. dec 2017 ob 01:38 izjavil:

Če si dober špekulant lahko delaš lepe milijone čistega plusa vsako leto. Morda ne s kriptovalutami, gotovo pa to velja na kakih resnih borzah. Vidim, da tu gor ste iz pravega testa...

In koliko let rabiš, da iz 3 jurjev prideš na 3 miljone?

samo 10 podvojitev kapitala rabiš. kolikokrat v enem mesecu pa se to zgodi pa lahko sam vidiš; eni te bodo o tem tudi vseskozi obveščali.
tko da po mojem je rok za priti iz 3k na 3M optimalno 1 teden...

PrihajaNodi je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:20 izjavil:

WTF? Si nor?

to mi je že okapi rekel ko sem zapisal da sem sredi 2016 vse svoje prihranke vrgel v btc...

Vazelin je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:26 izjavil:

Slotechar lahko s svojimi 50 eur postane milijonar v tednu in pol optimalno.

in ta forum spremlja že od kdaj?

Kot pravi kolega, za dobre špekulante na konc leta večmilijonski dobiček ni nobeno presenečenje. Samo treba bit pameten in dosti delat in imet dolgoletne izkušnje iz tega področja.

profdoktor je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:30 izjavil:

Kot pravi kolega, za dobre špekulante na konc leta večmilijonski dobiček ni nobeno presenečenje. Samo treba bit pameten in dosti delat in imet dolgoletne izkušnje iz tega področja.

Cist vsega mu ne verjeti. Trajderjev z rednim vecmiljonskim dobickom letno, je sila malo ;).

gruntfürmich je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:35 izjavil:

Mato989 je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:33 izjavil:

profdoktor je 1. dec 2017 ob 10:30 izjavil:

Kot pravi kolega, za dobre špekulante na konc leta večmilijonski dobiček ni nobeno presenečenje. Samo treba bit pameten in dosti delat in imet dolgoletne izkušnje iz tega področja.

Ne, treba je predvsem imeti ČAS sedet pred PCjem :) Nekaj kar mi ki delamo nimamo...

potem delaš nekaj narobe oz. bi raje delal to, zaradi česar boš na koncu leta multimiljonar

Naštudiraš koine vložiš počakaša na peak vzameš ven in poiščeš naslednjega ki ima padec. Zdej če pa ima namen nekdo obogateti z viberatom ali icnjem pa good luck. Kdaj sem vam svetoval da vložite v Monaco ko ji bil 4.92 ali nekaj nad 5...

Jih je kar veliko v Sloveniji, ampak mislim, da nimajo nobene potrebe, da bi se izpostavljali s tem kjerkoli. Na forumih so večinoma začetniki, taki z željo po instant zaslužku. Pozablja se pravilo 10.000 ur vloženega študija in trdega dela, ampak pustimo to.

prejšn mesec sm čekiru WCX, učeri sm dobu mail ampak nism vložil..pa pomoje tud ne bom.

Za Envion sm neki gledu, zaenkrat so postponal ICO, do 15.12.

Razlog: The founders of Envion are postponing the start of the ICO until the 15th of December in order to open the ICO to a broader public, lay the foundation for future top-level cooperations and make it the most cross-border compliant ICO so far.

Advantages for token holders:

? Swiss users can take part in the ICO without restriction
? EVN tokens should be tradable at official and licensed US exchanges
? Banks and other financial institutions can more easily create cooperation models with envion and increase token holders profits
? envion lays the foundation for top-level cooperations
? EVN token on the way to be the best regulated security token so far broader market - higher value potential
? Even better ROI due to Third-Party Operation business


Prebiram bitcointalk, zaenkrat jih kurcajo največ glede cene elektrike oziroma dobavo elektrike ponoči, ko ni sonca oziroma, ko ni vetra.
Nekdo je omenu, da naj bi blo 480 grafičnih v enem kontejnerju. Oni (Envion) pravjo, da vabijo vsakega investitorja v Berlin, da na lastne oči vidi delujočo enoto.
Dost jih sprašujejo o kraji kontejnerja, glede na to da je notr tok grafičnih.

@ Envion
How do you protect content from thieves ?

You have hundred of gpus in a container, about 400$ each.
Very easy to take all of them away with a small car.

Envion
Lots of people are asking about security. It's a very good question and one we take very seriously (thought it almost makes us wonder what's on your mind Wink ).

There are many layers to the security stack:

The first barrier is that our mobile mining units will be deployed in the close proximity to power plants (e.g. PV) that offer already a high degree of security. The available security at a location is one of the criteria that is taken into account when choosing a location

The second barrier is that for the first sites, we will deploy a large enough number of mobile mining units that allows to have a small dedicated staff on location that will provide security and execute service/maintenance tasks. This might for example then include an external security company that provides this service for let's say 50 units.

The third barrier are standard physical barriers like barbed wire and our automated doorman system that includes heavy locks that are operated by our servers. This level includes motion sensors, etc. that all report directly to our cloud application. The software part is actually already running in our first generation!

Last but not least, our mobile mining units are insured against theft, damage and natural disasters like floods. So even if something happens, they are insured.

@ Envion
I appreciate your replies but I still have questions. Always looking for good investment, but I am still not convinced. Just wanna say that I am blocked to on your Telegram, your people there are very impolite, they do not answer my question and kicked me out. I was very friendly, but I guess you have something to hide.

I do not think your company is a scam, but I am convinced you are in over your head. I expect delays and broken promises. Maybe in one year your company will be interesting to invest in...

Postponing an ICO is a very bad sign in my opinion... Serious business keeps its deadlines.

That is very nice that you have a ´big bank´investing in crypto, good for you. Would be nice to know which bank! Especially when we in the crypto world know how banks are big fans of cryptocurrency.

Secondly still no answer on where your metal boxes with hot miners will be stationed. Are you planning on putting some next to solar power plant some where with a lot of sun? Where it is hot and not 26 °C, the temperature you mention in WP. Before you say, read the white paper, I have. You talk about using the heat for other purposes but how about performance in hot and humid area´s. Do you have any test done? Where are the results?

WP says: ´Converting our MMU's waste heat into a system where thermal energy is useful provides savings which are directly proportional to the amount of electrical energy being converted by the MMU. Heating expenses, before and after installation of a MMU inside a heated warehouse or greenhouse, can thus be easily assessed and the savings on heating the building can be directly deducted from the MMU's electricity bill. This creates another unique competitive advantage for the envion MMU over conventional mining farms, which are typically installed in remote areas and thus unable to recycle their massive amounts of thermal energy.´

So you gonna put the MMU inside buildings? Who is gonna pay for that?


Secondly, are you putting people, engineers in the containers for maintaining the facility? WP says ´There are fully automated systems in place which detect defective rigs, based on IP address and rig denotations, so that any maintenance worker is able to locate defective hardware within a very limited amount of time.´

So if you have ANY mining experience you should know that a person on the ground is mandatory. All your WP says, you have fancy sensors, but who is going to fix the miners that are broken? Where are your engineers located? Who is paying them?

Last, your WP claims you can fit up to 96 ASIC miners in one MMU( container), so what is going to happen when this miners are outdated? In the current situation it is very likely that every 6 to 9 months new companies will come with more efficient miners. So if a miner would cost 1000$ (very optimistic projection) you will have to spend 96 000 $ to update your MMU. Who is paying that?


@ Envion
The truth about the company Envion AG the facts:

1. What you write is what your Director the founder of the company - you are lying!!!

You wrote on your website: Entrepreneur, investor & media professional. Founder & CEO of energy-focused investment holding. Co-financed €300M solar company.

In fact:

Your Director Matthias Woestmann- the journalist you hired 1 month ago to work in linkedin.com - is simply Executive Director in Envion AG, He's not invetor , he is not affiliated with solar energy!!!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-wo...

Why you hide the founders of the company?

You do not answer the question: who are the founders of the company?

I will send all photos from your founders documents - to see all your lies!!!!!

I sent you a document - investors should see that you lie!!! In this document it is evident that the company was organized less than

a month ago - 5.10.2017 year. Your Director is only a nominal Director and founder of

hide!!!! And you lie - that he is the founder of the company -- not very nice!!!!!

2. You started the company less than a month ago - 5.10.2017 year. You hired the whole team a month ago!!!! What kind of work long technology your container you say?

You're lying again!!!

2.You have not answered-where is your mining??? Where exactly is mining farm?

you can't tell because you don't have one! you cheat!!!

You only have one airbrushed onto the container, which you carry for the video and have a video with a smoke blue))))

3. Your website says: in 2015, So explain to me - how is that possible???

if you opened your super company has just 5.10.2017 year!!!! Once again you are all lying!!!!!!!

4. You are talking about a profit of 161% per year from your equipment - you are cheating investors!!!!

With your container in the holes - can not how to profit by 161%.(considering the fact that you still need to take the profit)

What you want to say that what you showed container holes in them with a few rows of video cards will be able to bring a profit?

Yes, it's all a hoax!!!!!!! And you know that's not true!!!! You have no any technology for mining.

5. You do not call the compute capacity of your container : how many PH/s MH/s?

I will tell you - in order for investors have not seen this!

7. You have not performed any testing of the container - you don't have anything other than a container with holes from sewer pipes and a couple of fans!!!

Yet you don't answer me to my questions - you will be considered a fraud perpetrated in Switzerland !!!!


My result, You don't have:

1. Mining farm, there is only 1 container with holes. You do not have the technology, but what you showed is just ridiculous!!!!!

3. You hide especially of the founder, hired journalist Executive Director

4. You hired all the people a month ago - you do not have any commands in mining

5. You started a company in Zug Switzerland - to give the project importance in the eyes of investors!!!

6. You just want to collect money and all!!!!

I work for honesty! And will not allow me to delete the Telegram for the fact that you can't not answer one my question!!!

INVESTORS - BE CAREFUL . THIS COMPANY HAS NOTHING TO MINING!!!
STOP FOOLING PEOPLE WITH YOUR PROJECT !! FOR DEFRAUDING INVESTORS IN SWITZERLAND - MANY YEARS IN PRISON!!!!!

I dont think so, that he is a "noname" noob. First of All I give you guys to understand, everything what they registered its a legal company with 150K Swiss Frank! But the ICO is just for only the "project" that even tells this Mr. Woestmann in them self maded youtube interview Viedeos.

All necessary infos from the public register:

Neueste SHAB-Meldungen: envion AG
SHAB 201/2017 - 17.10.2017
Kategorien: Neueintragung, Änderung bei Personen
Publikationsnummer: 3814143, Handelsregister-Amt Zug (170)
envion AG(envion SA) (envion Ltd.), in Baar, CHE-373.899.812, Zugerstrasse 72, 6340 Baar, Aktiengesellschaft (Neueintragung).

Statutendatum:
05.10.2017.

Zweck:
Erbringung von Infrastrukturdienstleistungen für Kryptowährungen und Blockchain-Anwendungen sowie Entwicklung von Software zum globalen Betrieb von Datenzentren;
vollständige Zweckumschreibung gemäss Statuten.

Aktienkapital:
CHF 150'000.00.

Liberierung Aktienkapital:
CHF 150'000.00.

Aktien:
150'000 Namenaktien zu CHF 1.00. Die Gründungsversammlung hat mit Beschluss vom 05.10.2017 eine genehmigte Kapitalerhöhung gemäss näherer Umschreibung in den Statuten eingeführt.

Publikationsorgan:
SHAB. Die Mitteilungen an die Aktionäre erfolgen per Brief, E-Mail oder Telefax an die im Aktienbuch verzeichneten Adressen. Mit Erklärung vom 05.10.2017 wurde auf die eingeschränkte Revision verzichtet.

Eingetragene Personen:
Wöstmann, Matthias, deutscher Staatsangehöriger, in Berlin (DE), Präsident des Verwaltungsrates, mit Kollektivunterschrift zu zweien;
Stäger, Cyrill Alexander, von Glarus Süd, in Zug, Mitglied des Verwaltungsrates, mit Einzelunterschrift





-What I find weird, that Mr. Cyrill Alexander is connected with the company on the same Building in "Zugerstrasse 72" in the City of Zug, with his company "Trifft Management & Consulting GmbH" the main purpose of this company is to create a founding of new enterprises and doing swiss taxes.

-Many Questions they never really honestly answer, unfortunately to compare with Julian Hosp from TenX they behalfe them self like Scammers.

I would like to go make a claim on the swiss federal Police and the FINMA Office today. Is there also anyone who support this step? If here any swiss ICO Investors, Envion have a lot of misleading Informations, this red flags must be clarified, with politeness meaning!!!

And yes there is a hate from me to your ICO , becauze you not answer still, that you dont accept swiss ICO Investors! (not the answer that you protect me! The answer, whitch difficulties you must have to not accept swiss citizien but for example german citizien??! The answer shoult be easy! If there is any not qualified Person (like a Beginner) who participate in the ICO, and go against you infront the court, your 150K in the AG (limited) are endangered!! And you lie here many peoples with a children Storry. So stop kidding and be honest, or see end of this Week a Mail to the FINMA and a Display on the swiss Police! I think lets called "RIP DEAL"


New E-Mail, ICO postponed. Advantages for token holders:

? Swiss users can take part in the ICO without restriction
? EVN tokens should be tradable at official and licensed US exchanges
? Banks and other financial institutions can more easily create cooperation models with envion and increase token holders profits
? envion lays the foundation for top-level cooperations
? EVN token on the way to be the best regulated security token so far broader market - higher value potential
? Even better ROI due to Third-Party Operation business

Envion is sure that the inconvenience of waiting a few days to invest will outweigh the great positive factors. To make sure our trusted ICO community does not get overshadowed by these big players, we will not involve them in the ICO, but instead have them participate later to follow through on our approach of decentralization by widest possible participation. Also, production and deployment of MMUs from the ICO will come first, before any others.

So now Im statisfaited with this Project! That was the smart step u need to have Investors what "HOLD" your Tokens Wink Rip Deal go under the Shower Im All in here!! (If u let me, because of my critical Announcements Im still blocked on Telegram)



Če se da komu brat.. mal je dolgo :D