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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Preusmerjaš.

Po najboljših ocenah je zaradi ruskih zračnih napadov v Siriji umrlo 4000-6000 civilistov, od tega več kot 1000 otrok. Rusija ne prizna nobene civilne žrtve, čeprav 6 let mečejo nevodene bombe po civilistov polnih lokacijah. Nič osebnega, samo geopolitika.



Between 2006 and 2009, UAV-launched missiles allegedly had killed between 750 and 1,000 people in Pakistan, according to the report. Of these, about 20 people were said to be leaders of al-Qaeda, Taliban, and associated groups. Overall, 66 to 68 percent of the people killed were militants, and 31 to 33 percent were civilians. U.S. officials disputed the percentage for civilians.[2] The

Pa to je samo pakistan v letu 2006 -2009, Kaj sele od 2009 do 2021 ?
Da ne se blamirat s preusmerjanjem pozornosti, ker sem preprican da teh 10k dronov ki jih ima SAMO ZDA so za rastavo.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Fritz ::

Rusi sploh ne bi nič bombardirali po Siriji, če Izrael ter ZDA in njihovi pajaci ne bi destabilizirali Sirije s financiranjem in oboroževanjem islamističnih milic. In Rusi v Siriji delujejo na povabilo in z dovoljenjem sirskih oblasti.

Kdo je ZDA povabil v Vietnam, Afganistan, Irak, Sirijo, Libijo itn.?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

In Rusi v Siriji delujejo na povabilo in z dovoljenjem sirskih oblasti.

Je mogoče, da je oblast, ki dovoljuje bombardiranje lastnih državljanov precej zanič in imajo ti državljani utemeljeno željo po spremembi?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

In Rusi v Siriji delujejo na povabilo in z dovoljenjem sirskih oblasti.

Je mogoče, da je oblast, ki dovoljuje bombardiranje lastnih državljanov precej zanič in imajo ti državljani utemeljeno željo po spremembi?

Dokler dovoljuje bombandiranje drugij, je pa ok.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

fikus_ ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

In Rusi v Siriji delujejo na povabilo in z dovoljenjem sirskih oblasti.

Je mogoče, da je oblast, ki dovoljuje bombardiranje lastnih državljanov precej zanič in imajo ti državljani utemeljeno željo po spremembi?


To smo sicer že predebatirali, ampak očitno bo potrebno še enkrat napisat; "demokratizacija" v Siriji (in še marsikje drugje) se ni obnesla! Sedaj mnogo več ljudi živi precej slabše kot pred "demokratizacijo"!
Diktatorji gor ali dol, pred "demokratizacijo" se je vedelo, komu bodo vzeli svobodo/življenje, vmes je zgubilo svobodo/življenje mnogo popolnoma nedolžnih ljudi. Pač stranska škoda uveljavljanja "demokracije".
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

In Rusi v Siriji delujejo na povabilo in z dovoljenjem sirskih oblasti.

Je mogoče, da je oblast, ki dovoljuje bombardiranje lastnih državljanov precej zanič in imajo ti državljani utemeljeno željo po spremembi?

Je možno, da brez iz tujine sproženega upora ne bi bilo državljanske vojne, bombardiranja in še česa?

Drugače pa lastno prebivalstvo veselo bombardira Izrael, kot smo že večkrat omenili. In?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Preusmerjaš.

Po najboljših ocenah je zaradi ruskih zračnih napadov v Siriji umrlo 4000-6000 civilistov, od tega več kot 1000 otrok. Rusija ne prizna nobene civilne žrtve, čeprav 6 let mečejo nevodene bombe po civilistov polnih lokacijah. Nič osebnega, samo geopolitika.


Ti preusmerjaš. Rusi na povabilo države branijo le to pred z zahoda sponsoriranimi teroristi (ISIS & co). Civilne žrtve seveda so. Samo so za obrambo države, ne za rušenje in okupiranje...

Plus da je teh civilnih žrtev še vedno TISOČKRAT manj, kot jih je od USA bomb & sankcij. Tako da rusi so tu zgolj in samo nepomemben detajl.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Rusi na povabilo države branijo le to pred z zahoda sponsoriranimi teroristi (ISIS & co). Civilne žrtve seveda so. Samo so za obrambo države, ne za rušenje in okupiranje...

Popravek, branijo svojega klienta na oblasti. Nekaj podobnega kot ZDA v Vietnamu...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Rusi na povabilo države branijo le to pred z zahoda sponsoriranimi teroristi (ISIS & co). Civilne žrtve seveda so. Samo so za obrambo države, ne za rušenje in okupiranje...

Popravek, branijo svojega klienta na oblasti. Nekaj podobnega kot ZDA v Vietnamu...

Da sej vemo, koga podpira v Siriji in kako serje po Iraku. JAja sej res odkar so dobili da bi bilo pametno da se spokajo z Iraka, so čudežno prjšnji teden malo isis rezali glave policistom v iraku. Samo naključja.

Dej še kak twitič dodaj da boš bolj resen.
Dejstvo je da se v imenu teroristov bombandira civile lpreko dronov, in te 3000-6000 civilnih žrtev, no do pred lanskega leta, je bilo nula civilnih žrtev kot posledica target killing.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Rusi na povabilo države branijo le to pred z zahoda sponsoriranimi teroristi (ISIS & co). Civilne žrtve seveda so. Samo so za obrambo države, ne za rušenje in okupiranje...

Popravek, branijo svojega klienta na oblasti.


To je samo po sebi umevno in v ničemer ne spremeni zgoraj navedenih trditev.

Mr.B je izjavil:


Dejstvo je da se v imenu teroristov bombandira civile lpreko dronov


To raketiranje civilov z droni pa tudi ni čisto nič drugega kot državno sponzorirani terorizem.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

En samo malenkost fuknjen fura statistiko uporniške uporabe ATGMjev.

https://twitter.com/Rebel44CZ/status/14...
Here are my updated statistics of Syrian rebel ATGM use (based on visual evidence) since the start of the Syrian Civil war:

ATGMs used by Syrian rebels per year:
2011: 0
2012: 14
2013: 299
2014: 504
2015: 658
2016: 667
2017: 232
2018: 64
2019: 171
2020: 138
2021: 17

total: 2764

ATGMs used by rebels per type:

9K11 Malyutka (AT-3 Sagger): 64
9K111 Fagot (AT-4 Spigot): 277
9M113 Konkurs (AT-5 Spandrel): 341
9K115-1 Metis-M (AT-13 Saxhorn 2): 117
9M133 Kornet (AT-14 Spriggan): 250
BGM-71 TOW: 1481
MILAN: 24
HJ-8 Red Arrow: 181
Unknown ATGM: 28

total: 2764

My statistics are the result of spending an obscene amount of time trying to find +archive missing old SCW content. You can use my statistics 4 your own research, but if you want to use my work commercially, some $ for me or a donation to a charity like @MSF would be appropriate.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

En samo malenkost fuknjen fura statistiko uporniške uporabe ATGMjev.

https://twitter.com/Rebel44CZ/status/14...
Here are my updated statistics of Syrian rebel ATGM use (based on visual evidence) since the start of the Syrian Civil war:

ATGMs used by Syrian rebels per year:
2011: 0
2012: 14
2013: 299
2014: 504
2015: 658
2016: 667
2017: 232
2018: 64
2019: 171
2020: 138
2021: 17

total: 2764

ATGMs used by rebels per type:

9K11 Malyutka (AT-3 Sagger): 64
9K111 Fagot (AT-4 Spigot): 277
9M113 Konkurs (AT-5 Spandrel): 341
9K115-1 Metis-M (AT-13 Saxhorn 2): 117
9M133 Kornet (AT-14 Spriggan): 250
BGM-71 TOW: 1481
MILAN: 24
HJ-8 Red Arrow: 181
Unknown ATGM: 28

total: 2764

My statistics are the result of spending an obscene amount of time trying to find +archive missing old SCW content. You can use my statistics 4 your own research, but if you want to use my work commercially, some $ for me or a donation to a charity like @MSF would be appropriate.


Zgubil si me s kredibilnostjo nekje .... By that, I mean everyone opposing the regime except ISIS and YPG/SDF (I might post their numbers later).
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Asadov bratranec se po Kaliforniji vozi v Ferrariju. Ko ga avtomobilski paparazzo vpraša s čim služi, mu odgovori, da je na pripravništvu.
Sirija je bankomat za celotno rodbino.

https://twitter.com/THE_47th/status/144...
Wearing a $1K Valentino sweatpants, Assad’s cousin(Rami Makhlouf’s son) was spotted driving a $300K Ferrari down Rodeo Drive. When asked what he does, the idiot blanked and said “intern”.
The crime fam that robbed Syria & Syrians is still living large.

Even the model next to him @michalidan13 cdn't hold her laugh when he said "I work".
Out of all the lies that u could make, from "crypto dealer" to "import export", u say "intern"?
I bet even ur criminal father is ashamed. He robbed Syria for 3 decades for you to say "intern"?




The Intern That Has A Ferrari 488 Spider *$285,000
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Assad, z vsemi svojimi slabimi lastnostmi in deviacijami, je še vedno 1000x boljši od islamistične psihokmetije, ki bi jo inštalirali ZDA/Izrael/Turčija/Savdova Arabija & Co.

Da ne omenjam oblastnikov raznih zločinskih diktatur in izvoznic terorizma, ki jih Zahod veselo podpira.

P.S.
Sirski 'uporniki' (beri islamistični skrajneži') so v napadih uporabili največ BGM-71 TOW ATGM-jev, ki jih sirska vojska nikoli ni uporabljala in so v Sirijo prišli v okviru 'vojaške pomoči ZDA/Izraela/Turčije/Savdove Arabije & Co. Ne, sploh ne gre za iz tujine sponzoriran poskus prevrata 8-)
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

fikus_ ::

Nekateri ne razumejo, če njihovi namišljeni prijatelji "demokratizirajo" neko državo, to ne pomeni, da bo po "demoikratizaciji" šlo ljudem v tej državi bolje.
Koliko se pa lahko zaneseš na namišljene prijatelje, se je pa pokazalo v Afganistanu.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Pac-Man ::

Direktor Airwars bo konec leta odstopil. Malo samohvale:

https://twitter.com/chrisjwoods/status/...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

sbawe64 ::

Bellingcat funded by US and UK intelligence contractors that aided extremists in Syria
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/09/bell...
2020 is new 1984
Corona World order

gozdar1 ::

sbawe64 je izjavil:

Bellingcat funded by US and UK intelligence contractors that aided extremists in Syria
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/09/bell...


In potem citira pro kremeljski the grayzone.

fikus_ ::

Nekateri smo hitro vedeli, da ni nevtralen, nekateri pa se sedaj nočejo tega vedet
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

c3p0 ::

Seveda ni, enako kot Paco ni hobi raziskovalec, ki nima lajfa in cele dneve le posta c&p po raznih siteih.

Timurlenk ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

sbawe64 je izjavil:

Bellingcat funded by US and UK intelligence contractors that aided extremists in Syria
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/09/bell...


In potem citira pro kremeljski the grayzone.

ja, vsak ki kritično gleda na aktualno politiko zahoda je prokremeljski

oz pro kitajski
Demokracija je zdej v drugem planu, to je vendar jasno.

Pac-Man ::

Še kritika kaviar socialistov. Pod krinko antiimperializma podprejo vsakega protizahodnega avtokrata, sploh če jih še wine&dine.

Maja v Siriji, junija v Venezueli, zdaj v Nikaragvi, glede na komentarja sta bila enkrat vmes še Ekvador in Bolivija.

https://twitter.com/florida_sophia/stat...
It’s becoming common for privileged western leftists to go to autocratic states & spew its sponsored propaganda. In May @aaronjmate went to Syria to claim Assad never used CW. In June the DSA went to Venezuela to support Maduro & stayed in a 5-star hotel that cost 200 per night.
Rights groups argue that Ortega has been trying to eliminate dissent. Ortega has detained 39 critics (including 7 presidential candidates) & 325 people have been killed during civil unrest protests after Ortega’s security forces used lethal force.
You can’t make this stuff up. Ben is now telling Nicaraguan journalists, who are calling him out for his lies, that he knows more than them about their own country.


https://twitter.com/noe_z/status/145749...
They did the same thing here in Ecuador earlier this year when we voted. Parroted correísta propaganda and insulted the indigenous movement.
Same last year here in Bolivia, where they turned up en masse for the elections, but here I'm also pretty sure they were hoping for (and expecting) blood in the streets. Unbelievably ghoulish.


https://twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/1...
DSA Revolutionary comes to Venezuela with his group and stays in one of the most expensive hotels, of course. The pov from the pictures matches the location of said hotel.
It would take a Venezuelan 2 years worth of minimum wage to rent the cheapest room there for a night.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Izgleda kot klasična propaganda. Isto smo brali, ko je šla Tulsi v Sirijo. Če se pogovarjaš z nasprotnikom, si avtomatičnoo označen za podpornika režima. Če jih bombardišaš, si ugleden vodja. Narobe svet.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Če se pogovarjaš z nasprotnikom, si avtomatičnoo označen za podpornika režima

Torej naj jih kot novinar povpraša o zaprtih/izgnanih/pobeglih predsedniških kandidatih ali dejstvu, da je podpredsednica kar predsednikova žena. Ampak ne, tam je da fura PR za lokalno elito.

2021 Nicaraguan general election @ Wikipedia

Rosario Murillo @ Wikipedia

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Če se pogovarjaš z nasprotnikom, si avtomatičnoo označen za podpornika režima

Torej naj jih kot novinar povpraša o zaprtih/izgnanih/pobeglih predsedniških kandidatih ali dejstvu, da je podpredsednica kar predsednikova žena. Ampak ne, tam je da fura PR za lokalno elito.

2021 Nicaraguan general election @ Wikipedia

Rosario Murillo @ Wikipedia

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20...

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/05/nica...

ZDA se ne vmešavajo, anede...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Če se pogovarjaš z nasprotnikom, si avtomatičnoo označen za podpornika režima

Torej naj jih kot novinar povpraša o zaprtih/izgnanih/pobeglih predsedniških kandidatih ali dejstvu, da je podpredsednica kar predsednikova žena. Ampak ne, tam je da fura PR za lokalno elito.


Tega primera sicer ne poznam, niti me ne zanima. Prepoznam pa vzorec. V svobodni družbi se pač ne spodobi vprašati nasprotnika kaj misli, saj nam to pove že MSM (njim pa prišepnejo oblastniki). Če gre politik k našim "sovražnikom", in Assad definitivno spada v to kategorijo, je kar avtomatično zagovornik njegovega režima ter bleja njegovo propagando.

Da bi si lažje ustvaril vtis na lastne oči, kot preko uradne propagande, za propagando pač ni sprejemljivo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/05/nica...

ZDA se ne vmešavajo, anede...


Ob mojem precejšnjem nepoznavanju situacije v Nikaragvi imam občutek, da je za vir uporabil nekoga iz nomenklature in spisal zelo dolg in zelo neuravnotežen članek.

Ker če pogledamo samo linkano inkrimatorno depešo, ki je v članku opisana takole :"Classified State Department cables published by WikiLeaks and analyzed by The Grayzone show that Téllez and fellow leaders of her MRS party have frequently met with the US embassy and served as informants for years."

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06MA...

COMMENT
- - - -

7. (C) This first meeting with Tellez was an opportunity to
hear from a more "hard-line" member of the MRS. Tellez has
often been critical of U.S. policies, but showed an apparent
openness to discuss issues with emboffs and to pursue future
meetings. Tellez began the session by quizzing emboffs on
their backgrounds and then relating stories about her family,
and "loosened up" as the meeting progressed. A lively
story-teller, Tellez is also brutally frank when discussing

politics and her opinions. Tellez, who says she has a cousin
in the United States and a nephew fighting in Iraq, stated
that she does not have an issue with the United States, but
believes that Nicaraguans often manipulate Americans to do
"their dirty work." END COMMENT.



Diplomati so se srečali s politiki in poročali domov. Navaden torek v diplomaciji.
Poleg tega na hitro ne najdem nobenih nadaljnjih srečanj, vse ostale omembe so samo poročila o dogajanju. "Frequently" in "for years" v članku sta tako precej verjetno laž. Vsi Wikileaks zadetki za Tellez iz Nikaragve, klikni next 100:

https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/?qpr...


Tole ima o njej povedati Wikipedija:

Dora Mar%C3%ADa T%C3%A9llez @ Wikipedia
Dora María Téllez Argüello (born 1955) is a Nicaraguan historian known for her involvement in the Nicaraguan Revolution. As a young university medical student in León in the 1970s, Téllez was recruited by the Sandinista National Liberation Front (FSLN).[1][2] Téllez went on to become a comandante and fought alongside later president Daniel Ortega in the popular revolt that ousted the Nicaraguan dictator, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, in 1979.[1] In the subsequent FSLN government, she served as Health Minister under Ortega and has also been an advocate for women's rights. She ultimately became a critic of repression and corruption under President Ortega and left the FSLN in 1995 to found the party Sandinista Renovation Movement (MRS), later renamed Unamos. Along with several other opposition figures, she was arrested in June 2021 by the Ortega government.[3]

...

In 1995 Téllez co-founded the Sandinista Renovation Movement (MRS) after resigning her seat in the FSLN.[8] Other former Sandinistas such as Ernesto Cardenal and Sergio Ramírez have joined the MRS political party.[11] The MRS political party opposed the current corruption in the Nicaraguan government

...

In 2004 she was appointed Robert F. Kennedy Visiting Professor in Latin American studies at the Harvard Divinity School, but was barred from obtaining an entry visa to the US under the Patriot Act, on grounds that she was a terrorist, citing as evidence the raid on the Nicaraguan National Palace in Managua.[14][15]
This prompted 122 members of the academic community from Harvard and 15 other North American universities to publish a statement in her defense, stating:


The accusation made by the State Department against Dora María Téllez... amounts to political persecution of those who have engaged in overthrowing the atrocious dictatorship of Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua...This regime was almost universally viewed as criminal and inhumane, and yet it was financially and militarily supported by the United States...In reference to dictatorships, just as the State Department cannot affirm that the activities of Nelson Mandela against the atrocious dictatorship of apartheid in South Africa were terrorist activities, neither can it affirm that Dora María's activities against the atrocious Somoza dictatorship were terrorist.[16]


Tl;Dr: Prvoborka z vestjo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

In Paxi na delu :))
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Mr.B ::

Pri rusih je baje takoj, pri americanihpatop secreat high tech ... A legal officer flagged the strike as a possible war crime that required an investigation. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/u...
Vprasanje je seveda ali so zavestno vrgli ne eno ampak se par, ko so vedeli kaj zavestno ciljajo. Paxi bo ze nasel twixic, kako so bile krive asadove sile.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Poldi112 ::

"Napaka" v tem primeru je zgolj, da je to prišlo v javnost. Tako pač v praksi izgleda širjenje demokracije in zato tako poredko uspe. Saj ne, da je že stoletja isto, ...

Za imperij rabiš zunanjega sovražnika. Ko so sovjeti razpadli, je bilo treba širit vojsko za boj proti "terorizmu". In hvala bogu, da smo investirali v ta boj, ker bi v nasprotnem primeru črne ISIS zastave plapolale tudi v Evropi, v Afriki in na Bližnjem vzhodu pa bi še vedno trpeli pod brutalnimi diktaturami.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Mr.B ::

Le kje se sedaj nahaja... Sej veste China social rating..
Mr. Tate became increasingly pointed in criticizing the leadership of the inspector general’s office. In October 2020, he said he was forced out of his position and escorted from the building by security.


Uncovering the truth. Over several months, The New York Times pieced together the details of a 2019 airstrike in Baghuz, Syria, one of the largest civilian casualty incidents of the war against the Islamic State. Here are the key findings from the investigation:

Civilian observers who came to the area of the strike the next day found piles of dead women and children. The human rights organization Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently posted photos of the bodies, calling it a “terrible massacre.”

Satellite images from four days later show the sheltered bank and area around it, which were in the control of the coalition, appeared to have been bulldozed.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

gozdar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Pri rusih je baje takoj, pri americanihpatop secreat high tech ... A legal officer flagged the strike as a possible war crime that required an investigation. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/u...
Vprasanje je seveda ali so zavestno vrgli ne eno ampak se par, ko so vedeli kaj zavestno ciljajo. Paxi bo ze nasel twixic, kako so bile krive asadove sile.


Rusi bi samo rekli, da je šlo za teroriste. Z ono bolnico so se celo hvalili.

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Mr.B ::

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Pri rusih je baje takoj, pri americanihpatop secreat high tech ... A legal officer flagged the strike as a possible war crime that required an investigation. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/u...
Vprasanje je seveda ali so zavestno vrgli ne eno ampak se par, ko so vedeli kaj zavestno ciljajo. Paxi bo ze nasel twixic, kako so bile krive asadove sile.


Rusi bi samo rekli, da je šlo za teroriste. Z ono bolnico so se celo hvalili.

Res maš prov. Čudno je, da so open source raziskovalci, ki to otkirjejo pri Rusih v 5 minutah, pri američanih rabili nekaj let.

Ps : razmisli kako tega open source raziskovalci niso zaznali. Verjetno so buldožerji orpavili svoje delo, pa sem ter tja je padla kakšna pametna bombica, ali pa je raziskovalca dohitel social score...
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Paxi bo ze nasel twixic, kako so bile krive asadove sile.

Paxi je hotel tole objavit, ampak vidim, da si me prehitel. Zato nitka, ki jo je RT Higgins.

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins

https://twitter.com/AdamNoahWho/status/...
I'm old enough to remember 3 months ago when pointing out that strikes kill A LOT of civilians was not a "serious" position according to the Beltway Board of Seriousness. Luckily a dedicated group of journalists, legal experts, & activists disagreed. I spoke to some of them.
In October, I spoke to @JackMurphyRGR about his investigation into strikes in Helmand and a targeting culture that waited for civilians to f**k up. The interview gets into the technical nuances but let's not mince words--that's what it says.

A couple weeks later I spoke to @IlhanMN, @HinaShamsi, & @annieshiel about how this legal and operational culture of impunity emerged in the first place.

Recent investigations conducted by the @nytimes backed by a huge budget and carried out by dedicated journalists reveal what many warned for years: entire families are being wiped out in our name and the Pentagon is shrugging its shoulders.




V drugih novicah - umrl je en bolj sadističnih sirskih generalov. Menda bolezen, verjetno COVID. Vse je za nekaj dobro.

https://twitter.com/QalaatM/status/1459...
Ahmed Dioub is the highest-ranking officer to die since early 2020. From Tartus province, he was Major General & Pilot. He actively bombed Rebel-held towns & is accused of war crimes.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/statu...
this Major General (63 y. old) who died this night was the commander of #SyAF 20th Division, based in Dumayr Airbase, gathering around half of entire Air Force's fighter jets.
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...
One of the highest-ranking officers of the Syrian Arab Air Force and one of the bloodiest war criminals of the conflict.
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

razmisli kako tega open source raziskovalci niso zaznali. Verjetno so buldožerji orpavili svoje delo, pa sem ter tja je padla kakšna pametna bombica, ali pa je raziskovalca dohitel social score...

Saj so, samo specifika je problem, tule je več incidentov čez 2 dneva. Ampak med viri je tudi SOHR tako da fake news zate?

https://airwars.org/civilian-casualties...
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Zadeva je torej malo bolj komplicirana. ISISovci so civiliste uporabljali za živi ščit in tu pridemo do vprašanja sprejemljive kolateralne škode. For the record: 64 civilistov za 16 teroristov mi je nesprejemljivo.

OSINT:
https://airwars.org/civilian-casualties...
According to Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silenty (RBSS), these people were killed in Coalition air and ground attacks aimed at expelling ISIS from the town. The source reported that ISIS used hundreds of civilians as human shields during the raids.

BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad...
The attack on so-called Islamic State fighters killed 80 people, as the group made their last stand.
The US identified 16 of the dead as militants, and four as civilians.
But officials could not conclude on more than 60, and a spokesperson told the BBC it was "highly likely" more civilians were killed.
An independent investigation into the strike was never conducted, according to a New York Times report which accused the military of a cover-up.


off:
Si predstavljaš belorusko državno TV oz. ruski medij brez statusa tujega agenta, ki podobno poroča o ruskih operacijah v Siriji?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Zadeva je torej malo bolj komplicirana. ISISovci so civiliste uporabljali za živi ščit in tu pridemo do vprašanja sprejemljive kolateralne škode. For the record: 64 civilistov za 16 teroristov mi je nesprejemljivo.

OSINT:
https://airwars.org/civilian-casualties...
According to Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silenty (RBSS), these people were killed in Coalition air and ground attacks aimed at expelling ISIS from the town. The source reported that ISIS used hundreds of civilians as human shields during the raids.

BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad...
The attack on so-called Islamic State fighters killed 80 people, as the group made their last stand.
The US identified 16 of the dead as militants, and four as civilians.
But officials could not conclude on more than 60, and a spokesperson told the BBC it was "highly likely" more civilians were killed.
An independent investigation into the strike was never conducted, according to a New York Times report which accused the military of a cover-up.


off:
Si predstavljaš belorusko državno TV oz. ruski medij brez statusa tujega agenta, ki podobno poroča o ruskih operacijah v Siriji?

Pa sej pravim, bodoče matere teroristov. Potem pa se čudiš, zakaj so begunci pred vrati.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Zadeva je torej malo bolj komplicirana. ISISovci so civiliste uporabljali za živi ščit in tu pridemo do vprašanja sprejemljive kolateralne škode. For the record: 64 civilistov za 16 teroristov mi je nesprejemljivo.


Kolateralna škoda je tak, korporativni izraz, za pokol civilistov.

To, da pokol ni sprejemljiv, je itak jasno. Problem je bolj, da relativno redno beremo o "tragičnih pomotah", nikoli pa nihče ne odgovarja z njih, ker dejansko ne gre za pomoto.

Zato je tudi Trump pomilostil klavca, pa bush terorista, ki je zbombardiral civilno potniško letalo. Imperij se širi in vzržuje z nasiljem .
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Pac-Man ::

Protestniki so zasedli sedež OPCW v Haagu.
https://twitter.com/annaholligan/status...

Higgins ni impresiran:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...

This appears to be pro-Kurdish protestors, almost certainly in relation to attempts to get Turkey investigated for alleged chemical weapon us against Kurdish forces.
I've contacted the KCK to ask to see the evidence they've collected, considering they're claiming 300+ attacks over the last several months what I received wasn't very compelling, especially when there's accusations of Sulphur Mustard and Tabun use.
Given the number of alleged attacks and the fact chemical weapons generally leave fairly intact munition casings the images that were shared with me were not compelling, some captured unused riot control grenades and a munition that was marked as containing an explosive fill.

Also a lot of videos of smoke filled tunnels, which could be from a variety of sources, not necessarily chemical weapons, and allegations of white phosphorus use, which isn't part of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
As for the allegation of Sulphur Mustard use, there's no images of the very distinctive blistered you expect to see from that, so that also raises question about the allegations.
I'd hope if there's more compelling evidence that it can be made public as soon as possible, especially given the seriousness of the accusations, and failing to do so will only undermine the allegations being made against Turkey.
I'd also note that many of the people in the West pushing these allegations are the same people who denied much better documented chemical attacks, which doesn't help counter the notion this is more about politics than serious accountability efforts.
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