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BigWhale ::

Stage one landed successfully. :) Congrats.

DarkSite ::

uspeh

hehe k slike zmanjka,.. nikol ne ves kaj bo :d

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ZaphodBB ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Pjanim Rusom se imamo zahvalit za spacex

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a1...

"Then we started having meetings with the Russian space program, which is basically fueled by vodka. We'd all go in this little room and every single person had his own bottle in front of him. They'd toast every two minutes, which means twenty or thirty toasts an hour. 'To space!' 'To America!' 'To America in space!' I finally looked over at Elon and Jim and they were passed out on the table. Then I passed out myself."

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They had two more trips scheduled to Russia; now Ressi decided, as he says, "I didn't like dealing with Russians," and told Musk he wasn't going back. Musk went anyway. On the second trip, Musk brought his wife, Justine — "I think that's the trip when the lead Russian designer started spitting at us," Cantrell says — and on the third and final trip he brought his money. He was ready to buy three Russian ICBMs for $21 million when the Russians told him that no, they meant $21 million for one. "They taunted him," Cantrell says. "They said, 'Oh, little boy, you don't have the money?'

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And so when he returned to the United States from Russia, Elon Musk spoke to Adeo Ressi about turning the company Life to Mars into what would become SpaceX — about building rockets. "He pretty much said, 'I don't need these Russians,'" Ressi says. "I was like, 'Whoa, dude. Let's use the Socratic method. I got screwed by the Russians doesn't equal Create launch company.' We wound up literally having an Alcoholics Anonymous — style intervention where I flew in people to Los Angeles and we all sat around a room and said, 'Elon, you cannot start a launch company. This is stupid.'

"Elon just said, 'I'm going to do it. Thanks.'"

Mimogrede, to popivanje je standardna KGB taktika.



This is how a typical conference in [the] Novosti headquarters in Moscow [looks]. Sitting in the middle is Boris Burkov, the then director of Novosti Press Agency, [a] high-ranking Party bureaucrat in the Department of Propaganda. I am standing next to a famous Indian poet, Sumitranandan Pant. He was famous because he was the author of a famous poem, [entitled], ‘Rhapsody to Lenin.’ That’s why he was invited to [the] USSR, and everything was paid [for] by the Soviet government.

Pay special attention to [the] number of bottles on the table. This is one of the ways to kill the awareness, or curiosity of foreign journalists. One of my functions was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated. The moment they landed at Moscow Airport, I had to take them to the VIP Lounge and toast to friendship and understanding between the nations of the world. [A] glass of vodka, then a second glass of vodka, and in no time my guests would be feeling very happy, they would see everything in [a] kind of pink, nice color, and that’s the way I had to keep them permanently for the next fifteen or twenty days.

At [a] certain point in time, I had to withdraw alcohol from them, so that some of them who are the most recruitable would feel a little bit shaky, guilty, trying to remember what they were talking [about] last night... That’s the time to approach them with all kind[s] of nonsense such as ‘Joint Communiqué’ or [a] statement for Soviet propaganda. That’s the time they are the most flexible. And of course what they didn’t understand—they didn’t realize or pretended not to realize that [I], who was drinking together with them, was not drinking at all; I had ways to get rid of alcohol through various techniques, including special pills which were given to me by colleagues. But they were taking it seriously; in other words, they would consume quite a large [volume] of alcohol and feel quite uneasy [the] next morning.
"Naši dedje so se borili za to, da lahko odločamo
o lastni usodi - ne o usodi drugih ljudi." -jype

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BigWhale ::

Dans so povedali, da bo eden izmed naslednjih poletov uporabil CRS-8 booster, ki je enkrat ze deloval. :)

DarkSite ::

jp ... SES-10-Launching-Orbit-SpaceXs-Flight-Proven-Falcon-9

No ja moj focus je trenutno na IAC 2016 27 septembra, ko bo predstavljen MCT. Nekateri to že čakamo leta... :) vsem nam bo padla čeljust, ko jo bomo videli ... :)

Prvi primerek Raptorja so že odpeljali na prvo testiranje ...

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BigWhale ::

Jaz sem okrog MCT in vsega skupaj rahlo skepticen. Ampak vseen drzim pesti. :)

Pac-Man ::

Rocket science je še vedno rocket science.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/explosion-ro...

WarpedGone ::

Jp, zavedat se je treba še neki:
This failure on the pad during static fire testing is exactly why they do static fire testing.

Every Merlin engine on their rockets is running for the 3rd (minimum) time on the actual launch.


Testni vžigi motorjev so, da se prestreže motorje s konstrukcijskimi defekti ... infant mortality. Šele ko motor prestane vsaj dva vžiga, je kandidat za polet.
Zbogom in hvala za vse ribe

7982884e ::

indici so, da ni bila napaka na raketi, temvec bi znalo biti, da je na satelitu puscal tank hidrazina.

DarkSite ::

Baje je prišlo do eksplozije 3min pred testnim prižigom. Lahko kdo to potrdi?

Se pravi ali je krivo polnjenje z gorivom ali pa omenjeni tovor.

Jst bi stavil na prvo.

Če je bila napaka na raketi bo spet ornk premor. Si pa želim, da bi bil kriv tovor.

DarkSite ::

No v vsakem primeru bo premor, ker je ploščad pač fking eksplodirala ...

Če se izkaže, da ni raketa kriva potem jim ostane samo še Vandenberg (polarne orbite). Boca Chica Texas pa itak še ni ready.

vostok_1 ::

Ni stvar v "rocket science". Stvar je v tem, da tam še najmanjša nepravilnost je močno ojačana. Vse je eksplozivno in vse je našponano.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

DarkSite ::

Nikec3 ::

Spet težava v zgornji stopnji. Tako iz prve nebi rekel, glede na to da ima prva stopnja večjo kompleksnost, več motorjev,...
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

DarkSite ::

baje ..

Devastating blow for Spacecom, the owners of the AMOS-6 satellite:
"... because the rocket didn't intentionally ignite for launch, the loss of payload is not covered by launch insurance."

7982884e ::

bolj problem v cevi, ki v LOX tank dovaja kisik. verjetno je popustil spoj in pol sledi kar sledi. cena tega, da se raketo polni z podhlajenimi utekocinjenimi plini pod visokimi pritiski. vsekakor pa hud udarec za spacex, verjetno se hujsi kot lanska eksplozija.

bo moral musk res malo nehat blebetat o marsu in MCTju in porihtat, da bodo res na dva tedna rutinsko leteli. ne pa da ti vsako leto pride pizdarija ki za preostanek leta prizemlji vse rakete (poleg tega je tu se problem razpolozljivih izstrelisc, sedaj ko je tole kaputt).

Pac-Man ::

Če bodo dali zeleno luč za nadaljevanje izstrelitev je sreča v nesreči, da je LC39A pripravljen.

februar 2016:

http://spacenews.com/spacex-seeks-to-ac...

"We have completed and activated Launch Complex 39A," she said. However, she added that the company still had more work to do on the pad this year to support crewed Falcon 9 flights.

DarkSite ::

jp

SLC 40: je zdej kaputt (saj pol leta)
Vandenberg: operativna a za polarne misije
Pad 39A: sosednja ploščad, ki bi jo znali prej pripraviti za launch kot pa popraviti SLC40 (par mesecev)
Boca Chica: v začetni fazi ... (1-2 leti)
MCT: unknown location (več let)

Kot rečeno, če bo vzrok v raketi potem lahko pričakujemo množično selitev strank k drugim ponudnikom. 2 faila v 1 letu. Konec koncev pa tudi če je kriva ploščad je to za stranko nepomembno z vsem pač upravlja spacex.

Okapi ::

Zdaj ko sta Mythbusterja upokojena, bomo pa pri SpaceXu gledali spektakularne eksplozije.8-)

A to je tisto rabljeno razčefukalo, ali novo?

Qcube ::

Novo, rabljena je bila narčtovana za konec leta nekje.

Nikec3 ::

Elon Musk na Twitterju:

Turns out MCT can go well beyond Mars, so will need a new name...
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

BigWhale ::

Trenutno MCT ne gre nikamor. Trenutno MCTja sploh se ni. Kam bo pa lahko sel, ce sploh kam, bomo pa se vidl. :)

BigWhale ::

Nekaj vec informacij o misiji na Mars. Se vedno je precej stvari nejasnih in na meji znastvene fantastike.

http://www.space.com/34483-elon-musk-ma...

Okapi ::

Časovni okviri, o katerih sanja, so čista znanstvena fantastika.

Invictus ::

Dokler ni zanesljivega transporta v orbito, so vse ostalo samo sanje...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

WarpedGone ::

No shit sherlock.
Kako doseči cilj v najkrajšem možnem času?
S postavitvijo ultrakratkih rokov. Ki bodo zamujeni a cilj bo vseeno dosežen v najkrajšem možnem času.

Kako nikoli ne dosežeš cilja?
S postavitvijo rokov, ki se zdijo realni. Ki bodo vseeno vskič znova zamujeni, njihovi 'realnosti' navkljub.
Zbogom in hvala za vse ribe

Invictus ::

Spoken like true manager...

A lot of bullshit with no real results ;).

Čakam na kaj več o novem motorju, pa precej skrivajo zadeve...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

msjr ::

Invictus je izjavil:

Čakam na kaj več o novem motorju, pa precej skrivajo zadeve...

Ja halo? Elektromotor z baterijo z dosegom okoli 60Mkm.

Dost heca, tukaj se strinjam z Warpijem, brez idej se ne pride nikamor, samo vprašanje je a bo zadosti resursov. Ko smo že pri stroških, citirana ideja spodaj po izračunih v tem članku niti ni bila tako draga kakor se zdi na prvi pogled.

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Okapi ::

Dost heca, tukaj se strinjam z Warpijem, brez idej se ne pride nikamor
Eno so ideje, nekaj precej drugega pa fantaziranje. Musk ne bi bil prvi, ki bi ga pokopali megalomanski načrti.

BigWhale ::

WarpedGone je izjavil:

No shit sherlock.
Kako doseči cilj v najkrajšem možnem času?
S postavitvijo ultrakratkih rokov. Ki bodo zamujeni a cilj bo vseeno dosežen v najkrajšem možnem času.


Manjsi problem kratkih rokov je to, da lahko zaradi njih ljudje po nepotrebnem slampasti.

Glavni problem je pa ta, da je tech se vedno na robu znanstvene fantastike in da se dela na predpostavkah, da bo vse kar je povedal Musk tudi drzalo in da bo vse delovalo v prvem poizkusu. V resnici pa se sploh ne vemo a bo mozno na Marsu proizvajati gorivo in kako hitro bo to potekalo.

Treba je iti tja in sprobati in biti pripravljen na to, da stvar ne bo delovala tako, kot je zamisljeno.

Sicer se pa parametri 'misije' spreminjajo ze od zacetka. Najprej je bilo govora o eni sami raketi, ki vzleti na Floridi in pristane na Marsu, nato se pa vrne na Zemljo. Zadnjic smo izvedeli, da bo treba najprej narediti refuel v orbiti Zemlje in potem narediti en kup goriva na Marsu. Sedaj pa vemo, da bo treba marsikaj postoriti na Marsu se preden pride tja posadka. Obe te stvari smo nekateri ze prej napovedali. :)

Invictus ::

Če bi naredili raketo na jedrski pogon, bi vse to sranje vmes odpadlo...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

BigWhale ::

Raket na jedrski pogon ni, delujejo samo teoriji in pod posebnimi pogoji. Poleg tega je z njimi tezko vzletat in pristajat in so za nekaj razredov bolj nevarne od ostalih raket. Za nakljucnega obiskovalca, ki je sel gledat izstrelitev. :)

Nikec3 ::

S postavitvijo rokov, ki se zdijo realni. Ki bodo vseeno vskič znova zamujeni, njihovi 'realnosti' navkljub.

Aka, fuzijska konstanta, NASINA Mars konstanta.
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

Qcube ::

Izgleda da čez 3 ure se bo spet nekaj dogajalo

vostok_1 ::

Pomojem nič kaj dramatičnega. IMO kak updejt na MCT
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

Qcube ::

Ne, izstrelitev satelita bo, seveda če gre vse prav.

NSA_Agent ::

Kako misliš "nič kaj dramatičnega"? RTF je vedno dramatičen.

Peljejo novih deset komunkacijskih satelitov Iridium NEXT, ki bodo zamenjali stare dotrajane satelite. Posledica tega pa je, da imajo časovno okno dolgo vsega sekudno, saj jih morajo vtiriti na enako mesto kot so predhodnji sateliti. Obenem pa kot smo že vajeni pri SpaceX nas čaka tudi preizkusni pristanek prve stopnje, tokrat na "Just Read the Instructions".
Je pa samo 60% možnost, da bo vreme danes sodelovalo.

vostok_1 ::

Meh. Sem upal, da bo kaj bolj spektakularnega.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

NSA_Agent ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Meh. Sem upal, da bo kaj bolj spektakularnega.


Kaj pa bi lahko bilo bolj spektakularno od tega? Pristanek prve stopnje na tvojem dvorišču?

vostok_1 ::

To ni več taka novost. Dokazali so da znajo. Sam pač še izpilit postopek je potrebno.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

7982884e ::

ce bo sreca, bodo enkrat letos tri F9 stopnje od falcon heavyja pristajale skoraj istocasno (dve na obali, ena malo kasneje na morju)

DarkSite ::

LANDED

DarwiN ::

Fucking impressive..

Science !
You don't see faith healers working in hospitals
for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery!

vostok_1 ::

Rutina ;)

Musk mora svoje inženirje kr močno preganjat.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

pegasus ::

Dvomim ... vsi pravi inžinerji rabijo samo vizijo, cilj in primerno okolje, pa se priganjajo kar sami.

SambaShare ::

Wov, stream iz prvostopenjske rakete ftw :).

Nikec3 ::

SpaceX postaja dober v tej svoji video produkciji, je vedno zanimivo gledat. Danes je CEO Iridiuma govoril pred izstrelitvijo. Pa tudi slika je bila do konca pristanka. :O8-)
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

DarwiN ::

Ja, tolk "intimnega" pristanka še nismo imeli priložnost videti, I think.
You don't see faith healers working in hospitals
for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery!

vostok_1 ::

pegasus je izjavil:

Dvomim ... vsi pravi inžinerji rabijo samo vizijo, cilj in primerno okolje, pa se priganjajo kar sami.


Res je, ampak za tiste najtežje dele rabiš nekoga z močno motivacijo in željo po prodoru.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

BigWhale ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Rutina ;)


Taksnega pristanka nismo se nikoli videli iz te perspektive. Nikoli.

Rutina pa tile pristanki se nekaj casa ne bodo. Rutina je takrat, ko faila en na nekaj tisoc pritankov. :)
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