Ukrajina Part II

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:49 izjavil:

Loool.

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:49 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:36 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:35 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:21 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:02 izjavil:

Zaveznice?
Zaveznici sta Rusija in Kitajska. Pa Iran.

Phahaha, ubožec, ti pa še nisi videl veliko sveta.

Se bojim da preveč - sploh ameriških "demokracij".

Imajo rusi svojo vojsko v Iranu, da ga branijo? Ima Iran na Kitajskem svojo vojsko, da brani kitajce?

Iran ne potrebuje tuje vojske, da se brani, pa jo potrebujeta Japonska in Nemčija?
Čeprav primer mogoče res ni najbolj posrečen, glede na to, da ga židi redno bombardirajo in terorizirajo. Ampak to seveda ni vojaška agresija na suvereno državo, ker je Izrael "demokracija".

A imajo iranci svojo vojsko v Palestini? A jo imajo v Jemnu? A jo imajo v SirijiA? A si bedak?

Odgovor na vsa ta vprašanja je DA!

Relevanca?

Misliš, da se nemci in japonci niso sposobni sami braniti? Naj te spomnim, da gre za državi, ki sta v 2. svetovni vojni suvereno dominirali svoji regiji. Nemci so zgolj v par desetletjih porazili ruse in francoze, zdaj mi pa praviš, da 70 let po 2. svetovni, ko so evropsko gospodartvo številka 1, potrebujejo ameriško pomoč za obrambo?

Poldi od raka crkuje, se svet raduje :)

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:12 izjavil:

Nič nismo gledali - smo kar aktivno govorili Ukrajincem, da jih čaka svetla prihodnost v NATO, medtem ko smo rusom govorili, da se nimajo kaj vmešatavi v Ukrajinsko svobodo.

To si prebral na The Grayzone?

Ukrajinci so ves čas, razen pod Janukovičem, želeli v NATO, mi smo jih pa pri tem zavirali. Še posebej Nemčija in Francija.
Lastno zgodovino pač poznajo malo bolje kot ti.


Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO relations @ Wikipedia

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Relations between Ukraine and NATO were formally established in 1992, when Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council after regaining its independence, later renamed the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council.[25]

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A few years later, in February 1994, Ukraine was the first post-Soviet country to conclude a framework agreement with NATO in the framework of the Partnership for Peace initiative, supporting the initiative of Central and Eastern European countries to join NATO.[26][25][27][1]

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Leonid Kuchma, who had arrived at the Presidency in July 1994, signed the quadripartite Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons on 5 December. The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons.[28][29]

In the summer of 1995 NATO stepped up to help to mitigate consequences of the Kharkiv Drinking Water Disaster. This was the first cooperation between NATO and Ukraine.[30]

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In 2002 relations with the government of the United States and other NATO countries deteriorated after one of the recordings made during the Cassette Scandal revealed an alleged transfer of a sophisticated Ukrainian defense system to Saddam Hussein's Iraq.[27]

At the NATO enlargement summit in November 2002, the NATO–Ukraine commission adopted a NATO-Ukraine Action Plan.[34] President Kuchma's declaration that Ukraine wanted to join NATO (also in 2002) and the sending of Ukrainian troops to Iraq in 2003[27] could not mend relations between Kuchma and NATO.[27] Until 2006 the Ukrainian Armed Forces worked with NATO in Iraq.[35]

On April 6, 2004, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine.

On June 15, 2004, in the second edition of the Military Doctrine of Ukraine, approved by the decree of Kuchma, a provision appeared on the implementation by Ukraine of a policy of Euro-Atlantic integration, the ultimate goal of which was to join NATO.
However, already on July 15, 2004, following a meeting of the Ukraine-NATO commission, President Kuchma issued a decree stating that joining NATO was no longer the country's goal - only "a significant deepening of relations with NATO and the European Union as guarantors of security and stability in Europe".[36]

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In April 2005, Viktor Yushchenko returned to Ukraine's military doctrine the mention of Ukraine's strategic goal - "full membership in NATO and the European Union." The new text read as follows: "Based on the fact that NATO and the EU are the guarantors of security and stability in Europe, Ukraine is preparing for full membership in these organizations."

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At the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008, NATO decided it would not yet offer membership to Georgia and Ukraine; nevertheless, NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said that Georgia and Ukraine would eventually become members.[47] Resistance was reportedly met from France and Germany.[48]

In November 2008, Chancellor Merkel, Prime Minister Tymoshenko and Ukrainian minister of defence Anatoliy Hrytsenko doubted Ukraine would be granted a NATO MAP at the December meeting.[49] In a Times of London interview in late November, Yushchenko stated: "Ukraine has done everything it had to do. We are devoted to this pace. Everything else is an issue of political will of those allies who represent NATO."[50] Although NATO Deputy Assistant Secretary-General Aurelia Bouchez[nb 1] and Secretary-General Scheffer[nb 2] still supported Ukraine's NATO bid at the time. However, the Bush administration seemed not to push for Georgian and Ukrainian MAPs in late November 2008. Condoleezza Rice told a press conference, "We believe that the NATO-Georgia Commission and the NATO-Ukraine Commission can be the bodies with which we intensify our dialogue and our activities. And, therefore, there does not need at this point in time to be any discussion of MAP."[53] President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev responded that "reason has prevailed".[54] On December 3, 2008 NATO decided on an Annual National Programme of providing assistance to Ukraine to implement reforms required to accede the alliance without referring to MAP.[55][56]

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Following the election, on 14 February 2010, Yanukovych said that Ukraine's relations with NATO were currently "well-defined", and that there was "no question of Ukraine joining NATO". He said the issue of Ukrainian membership of NATO might "emerge at some point, but we will not see it in the immediate future."[5]

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On 3 June 2010, the Ukrainian parliament passed a bill proposed by the President that excluded the goal of "integration into Euro-Atlantic security and NATO membership" from the country's national security strategy.[66] The law precluded Ukraine's membership of any military bloc, but allowed for co-operation with alliances such as NATO.[67] "European integration" is still part of Ukraine's national security strategy.[66]

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The Yatseniuk Government initially stated it did not have the intention of making Ukraine a member of NATO.[7] Petro Poroshenko was elected president on 25 May 2014.[72][73][74][75][76][77] On 1 October 2014, Jens Stoltenberg took over the position of NATO Secretary-General.[78]
Petro Poroshenko with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, February 2015

NATO officials vowed support for Ukraine and worked to downplay tensions between the bloc and Russia, which refused to recognize the impeachment of Yanukovych or the Yatseniuk Government.[79] In late February 2014, Secretary-General Rasmussen reaffirmed that NATO membership is still an option for Ukraine.[80]

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership.[81] The government has also signaled that it hopes for major non-NATO ally status with the United States, NATO's largest military power and contributor.[82]

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On September 20, 2018, the Ukrainian parliament approved amendments to the constitution that would make the accession of the country to NATO and the EU a central goal and the main foreign policy objective.[93]

On 7 February 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 334 out of 385 to change the Ukrainian constitution in order to help Ukraine to join NATO and the European Union.[94] After the vote, Poroshenko declared: "This is the day when the movement of Ukraine to the European Union and the North Atlantic Alliance will be consolidated in the Constitution as a foreign political landmark."[95]

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On 14 September 2020, Zelenskyy approved Ukraine's new National Security Strategy, "which provides for the development of the distinctive partnership with NATO with the aim of membership in NATO."[98][99][100] On October 8, 2020, during a meeting with Prime Minister Boris Johnson in London, Zelenskyy stated that Ukraine needed a NATO MAP, as NATO membership will contribute to Ukraine's security and defense.[101]

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At a briefing in Kyiv in May 2021, Democrat Senator Chris Murphy said at a briefing in Kyiv following a meeting with Zelenskyy that granting Ukraine a MAP would be the next logical step toward NATO membership.

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On 2 June, Zelenskyy called one of the potential threats that could strengthen Russia's position in Europe: the failure to give Ukraine a clear signal and specific deadlines for obtaining an MAP for NATO membership.[111]

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On 30 November Putin stated that an expansion of NATO's presence in Ukraine, especially the deployment of any long-range missiles capable of striking Moscow or missile defence systems similar to those in Romania and Poland, would be a "red line" issue for the Kremlin.

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On 28 January Putin said the West has ignored "Russia's fundamental concerns" on NATO's expansion and said that NATO had "strike weapons systems near Russia's borders".[113]

On 31 January at a tense meeting of the UN Security Council, the Washington Post reported that "Russia has demanded a Western commitment to exclude Ukraine from its security umbrella and the removal of NATO forces and equipment from Eastern Europe and the Baltic States" and according to Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield "has threatened to take military action should its demands not be met." Ambassador Vasily Nebenzya denied any plans for invasion and said Russia was within its rights to station troops anywhere within its own territory. He stated "Not a single Russian politician, not a single public figure, not a single person said that we are planning to attack Ukraine."

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Amid rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine in early 2022, the Federation Council of Russia recognised the Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics on 22 February 2022,[127][128] after on 16 February the State Duma called on Putin to recognize the breakaway territories,[129] the deputies passing the motion 351 to 16.[130]

Also on 22 February 2022, Russian president Vladimir Putin declared that the Minsk Agreements "no longer existed", and that Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for their collapse.[133]

On 24 February 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine again.[134]

On 1 March Stoltenberg convinced the President of Poland to forgo sending any fighter aircraft to Ukraine because of the risk of attracting Russian attacks onto its territory, which would likely cause NATO to invoke Article 5 of its constitution.[135][136]

On 4 March following an emergency meeting of Foreign Ministers in Brussels, Stoltenberg rejected Zelenskyy's request to impose a no-fly zone over the country, stating that it might lead to a full-fledged war between the Alliance and Russia, and he declined to involve NATO, saying: "We are not part of this conflict."

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:57 izjavil:

Jebiga rusi ne slikajo iz 17tih zornih kotov da bi lepili propagando, oni posljejo kaliber na magacin in pika.

V bistvu še tisto malega kar imajo za pokazat, točno to delajo:

They actually did it! No wonder some people think we're purposely ignoring Ukrainian losses.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu...

Please also photograph this single Ukrainian Kozak-2 IMV from the other side so the Russian MoD can count this as 7 Ukrainian APCs destroyed.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu...

Vsec mi je da je iz nasih portalov in iz naslovnic izginila Ukrajina. Pocasi ne bo vec cool in moderno postavljanje ukrajinskih zastav na FB profilke ter oddajanje ponošenih cunj v karitas zaboje in z tem glumit humanitarca. Maks 10 dni se bo se govorilo o Ukrajini, po 9 maju bo pa res vse pozabljeno.

video, enostavno je uničil cesto.

https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
All Russia in one video 💩
This is the city of Kushva, Sverdlovsk region. The excavator lost a wheel and crawled along the road clinging to the bucket. Minus a kilometer.
And these stupid donkeys with broken roads want to set us free?

Regarding Azovstal the last stronghold of Azov resistance in Mariupol, we heard from our fellow friends that it has been hit hard today, harder than anything before. Which confirmed the statements that it has been bombed using strategic bombers. Many Azovites went to Bandera today!!!

Pac-Man je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:04 izjavil:

video, enostavno je uničil cesto.

https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
All Russia in one video 💩
This is the city of Kushva, Sverdlovsk region. The excavator lost a wheel and crawled along the road clinging to the bucket. Minus a kilometer.
And these stupid donkeys with broken roads want to set us free?

HAHAHA

eto, problem rešen

sir_mha je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:06 izjavil:

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:03 izjavil:

Vsec mi je da je iz nasih portalov in iz naslovnic izginila Ukrajina. Pocasi ne bo vec cool in moderno postavljanje ukrajinskih zastav na FB profilke ter oddajanje ponošenih cunj v karitas zaboje in z tem glumit humanitarca. Maks 10 dni se bo se govorilo o Ukrajini, po 9 maju bo pa res vse pozabljeno.

Da, pa na sankcije se bo tudi kar pozabilo. In Rusija bo ratala soseda Severne Koreje.

Na sankcije se bos spomnil ob vsakem nakupu fasunge, olje bo kmalu 3e liter

Sankcije delujejo

fur80 je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:10 izjavil:

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:06 izjavil:

Regarding Azovstal the last stronghold of Azov resistance in Mariupol, we heard from our fellow friends that it has been hit hard today, harder than anything before. Which confirmed the statements that it has been bombed using strategic bombers. Many Azovites went to Bandera today!!!

Ustvarili ste legendo, kot Špartance! Večna slava Azovu!

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...

šizofrenija

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:49 izjavil:

Relevanca?
Misliš, da se nemci in japonci niso sposobni sami braniti? Naj te spomnim, da gre za državi, ki sta v 2. svetovni vojni suvereno dominirali svoji regiji. Nemci so zgolj v par desetletjih porazili ruse in francoze, zdaj mi pa praviš, da 70 let po 2. svetovni, ko so evropsko gospodartvo številka 1, potrebujejo ameriško pomoč za obrambo?

Kaj si ti dosadan. Res prav zabit si.
Če bi kaj poznal te dolgoletne debate o tem (nemci - zakaj nas pa Američani čuvajo), bi vedel, da lahko država investira svoja sredstva drugam, ne pa za obrambo. In to prav paše tako Nemcem kot Japoncem. To pa zelo malo paše Američanom in to je Trump čisto jasno povedal, etc... ne da se mi še 1x pisat, ker itak ni nobenega efekta.

Seveda jim "paše". Dolgoletne "debate" so zgolj propaganda, ti jih prepričuje, da so svobodni.

To, da imajo od imperija koristi, je seveda jasno. Če jih ne bi imeli, bi se že uprli...

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:16 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 19. apr 2022 ob 20:49 izjavil:

Relevanca?
Misliš, da se nemci in japonci niso sposobni sami braniti? Naj te spomnim, da gre za državi, ki sta v 2. svetovni vojni suvereno dominirali svoji regiji. Nemci so zgolj v par desetletjih porazili ruse in francoze, zdaj mi pa praviš, da 70 let po 2. svetovni, ko so evropsko gospodartvo številka 1, potrebujejo ameriško pomoč za obrambo?

Kaj si ti dosadan. Res prav zabit si.
Če bi kaj poznal te dolgoletne debate o tem (nemci - zakaj nas pa Američani čuvajo), bi vedel, da lahko država investira svoja sredstva drugam, ne pa za obrambo. In to prav paše tako Nemcem kot Japoncem. To pa zelo malo paše Američanom in to je Trump čisto jasno povedal, etc... ne da se mi še 1x pisat, ker itak ni nobenega efekta.

Seveda jim "paše". Dolgoletne "debate" so zgolj propaganda, ti jih prepričuje, da so svobodni.

To, da imajo od imperija koristi, je seveda jasno. Če jih ne bi imeli, bi se že uprli...

Bravo, vendarle si ugotovil, da ni imperija. KLAP KLAP.

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:10 izjavil:

sir_mha je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:06 izjavil:

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:03 izjavil:

Vsec mi je da je iz nasih portalov in iz naslovnic izginila Ukrajina. Pocasi ne bo vec cool in moderno postavljanje ukrajinskih zastav na FB profilke ter oddajanje ponošenih cunj v karitas zaboje in z tem glumit humanitarca. Maks 10 dni se bo se govorilo o Ukrajini, po 9 maju bo pa res vse pozabljeno.

Da, pa na sankcije se bo tudi kar pozabilo. In Rusija bo ratala soseda Severne Koreje.

Na sankcije se bos spomnil ob vsakem nakupu fasunge, olje bo kmalu 3e liter

Sankcije delujejo

Boli me kita za olje. To ti ponavljaš, ker veš, da se Rusija ekonomsko iz te luknje ne bo zvlekla. Glavni strateg je za sabo v greznico potegnil cel narod, slava mu.

endelin je 19. apr 2022 ob 16:23 izjavil:

BorutO je 19. apr 2022 ob 16:20 izjavil:

A je kdo naštudiral že to logiko? Rusi imajo recimo okoli 300.000 vojakov v ukrajini. Ukrajina ima 40 mio prebivalcev, od tega se jih je 5 mio odselilo, ostane jih 35 mio. V ukrajini se morejo boriti vsi polnoletni moški pa vse tja do penzije. Recimo, da je teh ljudi kakšnih 10 milijonov? Rusi bodo rabili ogromno vojsko, da premagajo ukrajince. Ofenziva pa itak more biti vedno najmanj 5x večja od defenzive. Torej, po logiki, rusi nimajo šans, da zmagajo v tej vojni.

V enačbo moraš dodati še težko orožje kjer je rusija v velikanski prednosti

Upoštevati moraš t.i. prekurzorje.
Zdaj Ukrajina ima res več potencialnih vojakov. Vendar je prvi prekurzor Rusov bil zračna dominanca. Zdaj so Ukrajinci nekako vzpostavili kontro z S-300 sistemi.
Drug prekurzor so vodeni izstrelki. Po gobe je šla Moskva, nekaj manjših ladij še premore vodene rakete, samo niti slučajno na istem nivoju. Ne vem, od kod so priletele zadnje manevrirne.
Tanki že dolgo niso faktor - utrpeli so velike izgube.

Kar je ostalo - je kraljica vojne - artilerija. Ukrajinci (zaenkrat) nimajo odgovora. Pravilen odgovor bi sicer bil howitzer counter-strike. Z radarji zaznajo padajoče izstrelke, ter jim potem vrnejo granate. Kolikor vem, so ZDA donirale štiri take radarje. Bojim pa se, da Ukrajinci niso zverzirani v bliskovitih protinapadih.

Rusi tudi nekaj poskušajo s težkimi bombami na Mariupol. To bodo sicer naredili tako škodo, da bo celo mesto samo še za zrušiti.

Rusi se (zaenkrat) zanašajo na težko orožje. Če drugo ne, artilerijske granate lahko izdelujejo brez zahodne tehnologije. Ukrajinci imajo ta hip premalo artilerije. Nizozemci so sedaj obljubili nekaj. Verjeto bodo nekje kupili kaj vzhodnega izvora in donirali Ukrajincem.

Sigurno pa se Ukrajinci ne bodo predali. Ocena analitikov je - da bo trajala vojna še vso leto 2022. Ma kakšen 9. maj.

bbbbbb2015 je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:28 izjavil:

Kar je ostalo - je kraljica vojne - artilerija. Ukrajinci (zaenkrat) nimajo odgovora. Pravilen odgovor bi sicer bil howitzer counter-strike. Z radarji zaznajo padajoče izstrelke, ter jim potem vrnejo granate. Kolikor vem, so ZDA donirale štiri take radarje. Bojim pa se, da Ukrajinci niso zverzirani v bliskovitih protinapadih.

Rusi se (zaenkrat) zanašajo na težko orožje. Če drugo ne, artilerijske granate lahko izdelujejo brez zahodne tehnologije. Ukrajinci imajo ta hip premalo artilerije. Nizozemci so sedaj obljubili nekaj. Verjeto bodo nekje kupili kaj vzhodnega izvora in donirali Ukrajincem.

Ko človek pogleda tole, si misli... WTF pa ta ruska artilerija. Pa to je ko WW1. Miljon granat, pa nobenega efekta.



https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/sta...
Ukrainian positions.
Novotoshkivske, Luhansk.

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:23 izjavil:

No vidiš, saj ima tudi kakšen Rus kaj funkcionalnega med ušesi

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/15...
This is the most stridently anti-war comment I've seen from a Russian billionaire, here: sanctioned banking impresario @olegtinkov
"How can we have a good army if everything else in the country is shit and smeared with nepotism and servility? 90% of Russians OPPOSE this war!"

Vsakrat več je takšnih, ki znajo uporabljati svojo pamet. Zadnjič sem poslušal en stream od Rusa na twitchu. Ljude v Rusiji ne upajo povedati lastno mnenje, ker jih je strah denarne kazni ali zapora, od tega jih imam dost samo osnovno šolo ali pa še to in ne zastopijo vsega dogajanja, to pomeni, kar reče Putin, to je tudi res. Tisti ko imajo večje izobrazbe, še predobro zastopijo vso stvar in se izmikajo daleč te pekoče teme, dost teh mladih Rusov je zapustilo Rusijo, ker nočjo it v vojno.

Ej, naši psihopati, ko greste na počitnice v Rusijo, mal je treba bit pazljiv, kje se slikate.

Russian officials in Khanty-Mansiysk have charged a 21-yr-old student from Zambia with "rehabilitating Nazism" because she filmed herself twerking in front of the city's WWII eternal flame. She faces 5 yrs in prison. Truly hers is the face of ... Nazism???

scythe je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:35 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:23 izjavil:

No vidiš, saj ima tudi kakšen Rus kaj funkcionalnega med ušesi

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/15...
This is the most stridently anti-war comment I've seen from a Russian billionaire, here: sanctioned banking impresario @olegtinkov
"How can we have a good army if everything else in the country is shit and smeared with nepotism and servility? 90% of Russians OPPOSE this war!"

Vsakrat več je takšnih, ki znajo uporabljati svojo pamet. Zadnjič sem poslušal en stream od Rusa na twitchu. Ljude v Rusiji ne upajo povedati lastno mnenje, ker jih je strah denarne kazni ali zapora, od tega jih imam dost samo osnovno šolo ali pa še to in ne zastopijo vsega dogajanja, to pomeni, kar reče Putin, to je tudi res. Tisti ko imajo večje izobrazbe, še predobro zastopijo vso stvar in se izmikajo daleč te pekoče teme, dost teh mladih Rusov je zapustilo Rusijo, ker nočjo it v vojno.

A si obrnil videigro ali kako

t.me/RVvoenkor/8719?single
Zarobljena ukrajinska tehnika

Ne smem prevec limat bo tezkodihanje doživel asmaticni napad

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:38 izjavil:

scythe je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:35 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:23 izjavil:

No vidiš, saj ima tudi kakšen Rus kaj funkcionalnega med ušesi

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/15...
This is the most stridently anti-war comment I've seen from a Russian billionaire, here: sanctioned banking impresario @olegtinkov
"How can we have a good army if everything else in the country is shit and smeared with nepotism and servility? 90% of Russians OPPOSE this war!"

Vsakrat več je takšnih, ki znajo uporabljati svojo pamet. Zadnjič sem poslušal en stream od Rusa na twitchu. Ljude v Rusiji ne upajo povedati lastno mnenje, ker jih je strah denarne kazni ali zapora, od tega jih imam dost samo osnovno šolo ali pa še to in ne zastopijo vsega dogajanja, to pomeni, kar reče Putin, to je tudi res. Tisti ko imajo večje izobrazbe, še predobro zastopijo vso stvar in se izmikajo daleč te pekoče teme, dost teh mladih Rusov je zapustilo Rusijo, ker nočjo it v vojno.

A si obrnil videigro ali kako

Vladar kaj praviš na to, da je Mcdonalds zaposloval 50 000 Rusov in jim dajal kruh, da so preživeli familije. Firma jim je še obljubila nekaj podpotem, potem pa kaj, bodo sadili krompir in si sami kuhali krompirček?

l0g1t3ch je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:41 izjavil:

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:40 izjavil:

t.me/RVvoenkor/8719?single
Zarobljena ukrajinska tehnika

Ne smem prevec limat bo tezkodihanje doživel asmaticni napad

Lol, to smo že videli 10x.

Ruski fejki :D

To so že na 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔇𝔢𝔞𝔡 𝔇𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔠𝔱 ugotovili, da ruski MoD poslika Ukrajinsko opremo iz treh strani in šteje kot 3X izguba! :D

Na koncu bomo vse skupaj poplačali z deviznimi rezervami Rusije.

A ni to fino, da bo zasežen ruski denar financiral nabavo orožja za uničevanje Rusije in obnovo UA.

l0g1t3ch je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:41 izjavil:

VladarP je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:40 izjavil:

t.me/RVvoenkor/8719?single
Zarobljena ukrajinska tehnika

Ne smem prevec limat bo tezkodihanje doživel asmaticni napad

Lol, to smo že videli 10x.

Ruski fejki :D

Pa kakšno tehniko, če so že Rusi pred 1.3 vse uničili. Prvo bi morali stare laži pobrisati, da bi lahko nove trosit okrog oz. na novo nasrali ljudi, lastni narod še lahko, tuji narod pa žal ne.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine...

Despite Putin's claims that the West's 'economic blitzkrieg strategy didn't work,' Moscow's mayor says the city is about to lose 200,000 jobs

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koyotee je 19. apr 2022 ob 21:49 izjavil:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine...

Despite Putin's claims that the West's 'economic blitzkrieg strategy didn't work,' Moscow's mayor says the city is about to lose 200,000 jobs

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ta 2% izgube služb bodo že nadomestili v lokalnih podjetjih.