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Pac-Man ::

Torej praviš, da je za napredek potrebno sodelovat z ZDA? Nice :)

V bistvu nič posebnega, samo par desetletij so nehali streljat težke kozle. Zadnja leta gre spet na slabše.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Torej praviš, da je za napredek potrebno sodelovat z ZDA? Nice :)

V bistvu nič posebnega, samo par desetletij so nehali streljat težke kozle. Zadnja leta gre spet na slabše.


A res, si hotel povedat, če nebi bilo $$$ bi bila jebena provica.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Mali si preberi o povojni zgodovini Kitajske oz. tule lahko tudi poslušaš.

https://radiostudent.si/kultura/repetit...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenilo: Pac-Man ()

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mali si preberi o povojni zgodovini Kitajske oz. tule lahko tudi poslušaš.

https://radiostudent.si/kultura/repetit...

Da samo da nisi začel s CCP. DO takrat bo pa verljalo, da je imela Amerik bazo na durih kitajske, in ko je bazo spokala, je Kitzajska , no točno veš kje je danes. Tajvan pa tudi, kje je štartal in kdo mu je pomagal.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

30k vojakov v bližini je totalno zaštrikalo razvoj milijardne Kitajske? Odličen ROI.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

30k vojakov v bližini je totalno zaštrikalo razvoj milijardne Kitajske? Odličen ROI.

Sporoci kaj je zate 30k vojakov...
America has hundreds of military bases across the world from Honduras to Australia, Japan, Iraq, Qatar to Germany, covering all continents. According to David Vine, an anthropologist at the American University, who wrote a book on American bases, the US might even maintain close to “800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad.”

Washington keeps troops numbered around 150,000 to 200,000 abroad across more than 150 countries, according to different sources. US troop numbers vary from time to time depending on changes in policies, as well as the classified nature of military data. In 2017, the Defense Manpower Data Center notedthat the US military had at least 200,000 active-service members abroad, being deployed across 170 countries worldwide.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

30k je bil pravzaprav max med vietnamsko vojno.

United States Taiwan Defense Command @ Wikipedia

In September 1958, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan increased from 5,500 in 1955 to 20,000.
During the peak period of the Vietnam War from 1968 to 1969, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan gradually rose to 30,000.
In 1972 the US president ordered the withdrawal of all nuclear weapons from Taiwan.[1]
In April 1973, after all the US troops withdrew from South Vietnam, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan decreased to 12,000.
In September 1974, there were only 5,800 US troops stationed in Taiwan.
As of 31 July 1975, the number of U.S. troops stationed in Taiwan was 3,098.
On 7 January 1976, with the dissolution of 327th Air Division, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan was reduced to 1,400.
As of the end of 1977 (31 December), the size was 1,200, including 949 military personnel. And the rest of the civilian staff.
As of 30 September 1978 (the end of the fiscal year), the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan was 753.
The Command held its final flag retreat ceremony during the afternoon of 26 April 1979. Rear Admiral James B. Linder was the last USTDC commander to depart Taiwan on 28 April 1979, and the last U.S. soldier left Taiwan on 3 May 1979.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Torej praviš, da je za napredek potrebno sodelovat z ZDA? Nice :)


Nope. Je pa vsekakor koristno, če USA ne PREPOVE ostalemu svetu sodelovati s teboj, kar se redno dogaja v "svobodnem svetu".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

30k je bil pravzaprav max med vietnamsko vojno.

United States Taiwan Defense Command @ Wikipedia

In September 1958, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan increased from 5,500 in 1955 to 20,000.
During the peak period of the Vietnam War from 1968 to 1969, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan gradually rose to 30,000.
In 1972 the US president ordered the withdrawal of all nuclear weapons from Taiwan.[1]
In April 1973, after all the US troops withdrew from South Vietnam, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan decreased to 12,000.
In September 1974, there were only 5,800 US troops stationed in Taiwan.
As of 31 July 1975, the number of U.S. troops stationed in Taiwan was 3,098.
On 7 January 1976, with the dissolution of 327th Air Division, the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan was reduced to 1,400.
As of the end of 1977 (31 December), the size was 1,200, including 949 military personnel. And the rest of the civilian staff.
As of 30 September 1978 (the end of the fiscal year), the number of US troops stationed in Taiwan was 753.
The Command held its final flag retreat ceremony during the afternoon of 26 April 1979. Rear Admiral James B. Linder was the last USTDC commander to depart Taiwan on 28 April 1979, and the last U.S. soldier left Taiwan on 3 May 1979.

Kaj hoces povedati, da so imeli v primerjavi z drugimi bazami tam na Tajvanju do 80deserih najvec vojakov. Tocno kaj je namen tvojih postov, da je tajvan dobival izdatno pomoc pod vplivom amesriske presence na otoku, in potem to prikazujes, kako se je bolje razvijal kot " boxin policy" kitajska.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Mr.B ::

Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Nope. Je pa vsekakor koristno, če USA ne PREPOVE ostalemu svetu sodelovati s teboj, kar se redno dogaja v "svobodnem svetu".

SZ, vzhodni blok in neuvrščeni so poslušali ZDA? Povej več.

Potem imamo tu VB, maj 1971:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=A...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Nope. Je pa vsekakor koristno, če USA ne PREPOVE ostalemu svetu sodelovati s teboj, kar se redno dogaja v "svobodnem svetu".

SZ, vzhodni blok in neuvrščeni so poslušali ZDA? Povej več.

Potem imamo tu VB, maj 1971:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=A...

Dej se ne smeši, ker točno vemo kako so za male pare prodajali svoje delo neuvrščeni zahodu. Kitajci so to naredili v Experizo. Sedaj so pa bad
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Če poslujejo z zahodom ne smejo poslovat s Kitajsko?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Nope. Je pa vsekakor koristno, če USA ne PREPOVE ostalemu svetu sodelovati s teboj, kar se redno dogaja v "svobodnem svetu".

SZ, vzhodni blok in neuvrščeni so poslušali ZDA? Povej več.

Potem imamo tu VB, maj 1971:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=A...


Kolega, zakaj se delate neumne? Indijci, japonci, britanci, ... so vsi po 2. svetovni vojni želeli trgovati s kitajci. Američani so jim to prepovedali. Tako kot nam danes ne dovolijo, da bi trgovali z Iranom.

Rusija je nadzirala sateelite ob svoji meji, preostali svet pa (so) večinoma kontrolirali američani.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

Za vsak konflikt v zadnjem stoletju so odgovorne ZDA, brez njih so se države nesposobne prepirat :)
Indija in Kitajska sta imeli in imata probleme na meji. Dodatna težava je bila Kitajska podpora Pakistanu in indijsko zbliževanje s SZ, kar je zmotilo Ljudsko republiko, ki je želela bit The marksistična država.

China%E2%80%93India relations @ Wikipedia

Jawaharlal Nehru based his vision of "resurgent Asia" on friendship between the two largest states of Asia; his vision of an internationalist foreign policy governed by the ethics of the Panchsheel (Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence), which he initially believed was shared by China.[dubious – discuss] Notably, Bhimrao Ambedkar was surprised the Nehru took the Panchsheel seriously,[40] while Acharya Kriplani had said the Panchsheel was "born in sin".[40] Nehru was disappointed when it became clear that the two countries had a conflict of interest in Tibet, which had traditionally served as a buffer zone.[citation needed]
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Relations between the PRC and India deteriorated during the rest of the 1960s and the early 1970s while the China–Pakistan relations improved and Sino-Soviet relations worsened. The PRC backed Pakistan in its 1965 war with India, and issued "ultimatums" threatening military action at its own border. The threats only served to damage Pakistan's relations with the western powers.[49] In late 1967, there were two more conflicts between Indian and Chinese forces at their contested border, in Sikkim, known as the Nathu La and Cho La clashes.
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The PRC continued an active propaganda campaign against India and supplied ideological, financial and other assistance to dissident groups, especially to tribes in northeastern India. The PRC accused India of assisting the Khampa rebels in Tibet. Sri Lanka played the role of chief negotiator for the withdrawal of Chinese troops from the Indian territory. Both countries agreed to Colombo's proposals.[50][51]
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In August 1971, India signed its Treaty of Peace, Friendship, and Co-operation with the Soviet Union. The PRC sided with Pakistan in its December 1971 war with India. Although China strongly condemned India, it did not carry out its veiled threat to intervene on Pakistan's behalf. By this time, the PRC had replaced the Republic of China in the UN where its representatives denounced India as being a "tool of Soviet expansionism."
India and the PRC renewed efforts to improve relations after Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's Congress party lost the 1977 elections to Morarji Desai's Janata Party.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Za vsak konflikt v zadnjem stoletju so odgovorne ZDA, brez njih so se države nesposobne prepirat :)
Indija in Kitajska sta imeli in imata probleme na meji. Dodatna težava je bila Kitajska podpora Pakistanu in indijsko zbliževanje s SZ, kar je zmotilo Ljudsko republiko, ki je želela bit The marksistična država.

China%E2%80%93India relations @ Wikipedia

Jawaharlal Nehru based his vision of "resurgent Asia" on friendship between the two largest states of Asia; his vision of an internationalist foreign policy governed by the ethics of the Panchsheel (Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence), which he initially believed was shared by China.[dubious – discuss] Notably, Bhimrao Ambedkar was surprised the Nehru took the Panchsheel seriously,[40] while Acharya Kriplani had said the Panchsheel was "born in sin".[40] Nehru was disappointed when it became clear that the two countries had a conflict of interest in Tibet, which had traditionally served as a buffer zone.[citation needed]
...
Relations between the PRC and India deteriorated during the rest of the 1960s and the early 1970s while the China–Pakistan relations improved and Sino-Soviet relations worsened. The PRC backed Pakistan in its 1965 war with India, and issued "ultimatums" threatening military action at its own border. The threats only served to damage Pakistan's relations with the western powers.[49] In late 1967, there were two more conflicts between Indian and Chinese forces at their contested border, in Sikkim, known as the Nathu La and Cho La clashes.
...
The PRC continued an active propaganda campaign against India and supplied ideological, financial and other assistance to dissident groups, especially to tribes in northeastern India. The PRC accused India of assisting the Khampa rebels in Tibet. Sri Lanka played the role of chief negotiator for the withdrawal of Chinese troops from the Indian territory. Both countries agreed to Colombo's proposals.[50][51]
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In August 1971, India signed its Treaty of Peace, Friendship, and Co-operation with the Soviet Union. The PRC sided with Pakistan in its December 1971 war with India. Although China strongly condemned India, it did not carry out its veiled threat to intervene on Pakistan's behalf. By this time, the PRC had replaced the Republic of China in the UN where its representatives denounced India as being a "tool of Soviet expansionism."
India and the PRC renewed efforts to improve relations after Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's Congress party lost the 1977 elections to Morarji Desai's Janata Party.

Vidiš kako so Kitajci nategnili Američane. Rekli so da je Indija NAstavek Rusije, čez par let so Američani spokali iz Tajvana.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Obvious trolling is obvious.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Glej tudi, pogrešam omembo ZDA.

India%E2%80%93Russia relations @ Wikipedia

The Soviet Union's strong relations with India had a negative impact upon both Soviet relations with the People's Republic of China and Indian relations with the PRC, during the Khrushchev period. The Soviet Union declared its neutrality during the 1959 border dispute and the Sino-Indian war of October 1962, although the Chinese strongly objected. The Soviet Union gave India substantial economic and military assistance during the Khrushchev period, and by 1960 India had received more Soviet assistance than China had.[14] This disparity became another point of contention in Sino-Soviet relations. In 1962 the Soviet Union agreed to transfer technology to co-produce the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 jet fighter in India, which the Soviet Union had earlier denied to China.[14][15]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Glej tudi, pogrešam omembo ZDA.

India%E2%80%93Russia relations @ Wikipedia

The Soviet Union's strong relations with India had a negative impact upon both Soviet relations with the People's Republic of China and Indian relations with the PRC, during the Khrushchev period. The Soviet Union declared its neutrality during the 1959 border dispute and the Sino-Indian war of October 1962, although the Chinese strongly objected. The Soviet Union gave India substantial economic and military assistance during the Khrushchev period, and by 1960 India had received more Soviet assistance than China had.[14] This disparity became another point of contention in Sino-Soviet relations. In 1962 the Soviet Union agreed to transfer technology to co-produce the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 jet fighter in India, which the Soviet Union had earlier denied to China.[14][15]

No Vidiš, kje je danes indija. Res da Večino programirajo za marsikaterega kapitalista tam, je pa proti Kitajski lahko do neke mere vukojebina
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Poldi112 ::

Pac-man, kaj je smisel vseh teh wiki citatov? Kaj bi pravzaprav rad povedal?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Da ZDA ni edini gnil hegemon v zadnjem stoletju, kot poskušaš prikazat.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da ZDA ni edini gnil hegemon v zadnjem stoletju, kot poskušaš prikazat.

Je superlativ, ce ti tako pravis.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da ZDA ni edini gnil hegemon v zadnjem stoletju, kot poskušaš prikazat.


Tega nikoli nisem trdil, niti ne skušam prikazati.

Trdim pa, da kitajci nimajo geografskih pogojev, da bi ponovili ameriško zgodbo, četudi bi se po kakšnem čudežnem naključju znašli v identični situaciji kot USA po WW2 (edina neporušena velesila). Tako da je strašenje s "kitajskim imperijem" totalna oslarija. Imajo pač kopensko mejo z 2 velesilama, pa še morsko s tretjo za povrhu. V taki dinamiki imaš vedno ravnotežje, ker vse države kolektivno skrbijo, da nobena od njih ni sposobna premagati ostalih.

Čez lužo tega nimaš, ker so američani aktivno poskrbeli, da nimajo konkurence na "svojem" kontinentu (na tem so zgradili svojo varnost).
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Ma ne, samo konstantno slikaš, kako imajo Kitajci težave samo zaradi spletkarjenja grdih grdih Američanov, kdo drug ali bognedaj oni sami niso ničesar krivi.

The Ascent of Money Episode 6: Chimerica
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

To se tebi samo zdi, ker neprestano izpostavjam laži zahodne propagande, medtem ko o stvareh, o katerih se strinjamo (groza stalinizma, brutalni zajeb kulturne revolucije, ...) pač ne debatiramo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Jih izpostavljaš, nato pa se izkaže, da pri Kitajskem pričkanju s SZ in Indijo ZDA ni zraven.
Tudi za taljenje vsega železja po vaseh v srednjeveških plavžih so si krivi kar sami.

https://radiostudent.si/kultura/repetit...

To je slavna zgodba o pridobivanju jekla - jeklo je imelo skorajda mističen status, bilo je najbolj objektiven kazalec razvitosti neke države. V ta namen so ponovno zastavili ambiciozne kvote, kako se bo proizvodnja podvojila ali potrojila. To naj bi dosegli z majhnimi pečmi - v prvi fazi bi pretopili železo, ki tvori njihovo fevdalno orodje, druga faza pa bi bila že industrijska, saj naj bi z obetanim presežkom kupili moderno orodje.
Ob »izstrelitvi Sputnika«, kot so pravili ambicioznim kvotam, so poslali svoje kmečke odrede na »jekleno fronto«. Odredi so šli po komunah in zbrali malodane vso železo, od piskrov, orodja, nakita, itd. Za kurjavo v pečeh so izsekali velik del gozdov in tako so se ogromna območja spremenila v puščave. V nekaterih vaseh je od intenzivnega taljenja kovin ostala le ena samcata šivanka. In rezultat? Železo, narejeno iz teh peči, je bilo neprimerno za industrijsko obdelavo. Za nameček so kmetje, ki so medtem delali na jezovih, morali od takrat blato kopati z lesenimi lopatami.

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Vmes se je zgodila še fronta proti štirim zajedalcem, podganam, muham, komarjem in lastovkam. Predvsem slednje so kradle zrna delovnemu prebivalstvu in jih je bilo potrebno iztrebiti. Tako so spet po kvotah zbirali njihova trupla in določili dan, ko je od jutra do večera cela Kitajska zganjala hrup in tolkla z piskri - kar jih je ostalo. Zaradi hrupa si lastovke niso upale pristati in so od utrujenosti popadale na tla. Pomanjkanje lastovk je privedlo v epidemijo drugih zajedalcev, zato so morali čez nekaj let uvoziti lastovke iz Sovjetske zveze.

Takrat so ponovno lovili lastovke, tokrat zaradi lakote. Omenjeni ukrepi so namreč privedli do največje lakote v moderni zgodovini. Vrh vsega se je ponosni Mao držal naročil in obljub za izvoz, zato so ves čas izvažali žito in druge izdelke. Napihnjene številke so lokalne funkcionarje prisilile k prestrukturiranju komun v taborišča, z lastnimi milicami in kazenskimi odredi. Vrh vsega so v lovljenju kvot žito škropili z vodo, da je v vagonih ob oddaji pridobilo na masi, a kaj kmalu začelo gniti. Ves čas so izvažali obljubljen presežek - železo, žito, tkanine. Veliki skok naprej je napovedal, da bo Kitajska tretja največja izvoznica blaga. Tako je tudi ostalo. Pomanjkanje oblek in smrtnost pa sta bili takšni, da se je podeželje postopoma spremenilo v polja golih trupel.


Originalne Butale.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

>Jih izpostavljaš, nato pa se izkaže, da pri Kitajskem pričkanju s SZ in Indijo ZDA ni zraven.

Ne vem zakaj se mi zdi, da je vsa poanta tvojih prispevkov zadnje dni preusmerjanje pozornosti.

Hkrati pa mirno ignoriraš dejstvo, da so bili v ekstreme potisnjeni prav zaradi sankcij ter izolacije. Misliš, da bi zbirali kovino pri prebivalcih ter razvijali jedrsko orožje namesto ekonomije, če bi prejeli podobno ekonomsko/tehnološko pomoč kot ostali zavezniki USA v 2. sv. vojni?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Invictus ::

Kitajska je geografsko omejena, tako kot Rusija, rin recimo Nemčija. Zato neka ekspanzijo, sploh z vojaško silo, nekako ni mogoča.

ZDA imajo pač srečo, da se je par pametnih mož odločilo, da ne bodo furali mali milijon državic, ampak da bo ena enotna. Imajo tako vzhodno kot zahodno obalo, nič konkurence, nič bližnjega sovražnika. ZDA praktično ne moreš zasesti, ne zaradi velikosti, predvsem pa ne zaradi oddaljenosti, ker sta vmes 2 velika oceana... Lahko je razfukaš z jedrskimi bombami, sam tudi nisi nič naredil. Pač MAD (Mutual Assure Destruction) tukaj pride prav.

Kitajski lahko uvedeš pomorsko blokado, pač nafukaš cel kup min na dostopne poti (Tako so ZDA zjebale Japonsko v WW2 - mine so potopile več trgovskih ladij kot podmornice). Kitajska je preveč odvisna od ostalih (kot vsi drugi), sicer je lahko samozadostna, sam bi se postavila kar par generacij nazaj v razvoju.
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

fikus_ ::

Zato pa intenzivno delajo na novi "kopenski svilni" poti, da razpršijo tveganja.

Invictus ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Zato pa intenzivno delajo na novi "kopenski svilni" poti, da razpršijo tveganja.

Super, tiste železnic pa res ne moreš skenslati... Sicer ne vem kako daleč je sam projekt, ampak ali je že končana ?!?!?

Evropa in Kitajska sta gospodarsko močno povezani, sam kaj, ko je vmes cel kup državic, kjer lokalni šefe pove kako in kaj. Oz. predvsem koliko stane...

Kako sem zasledil, Kitajska zdaj išče baze na zahodni strani Afrike. Kar pomeni v Atlantiku...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Smrekar1 ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Zato pa intenzivno delajo na novi "kopenski svilni" poti, da razpršijo tveganja.


Eja. Železniški promet je desetkrat dražji od ladijskega. Kapaciteta je tudi dokaj mizerna v primerjavi z ladjami. Če na progo lahko spraviš 50 vlakov po 100 vagonov na dan boš v štirih dneh spravil skupaj za eno povprečno kontejnersko ladjo tovora.

V pristanišču naložijo in razložijo tako ladjo v 18 urah.

fikus_ ::

Res je, da je železnica manj učinkovita in manj zmogljiva, ampak ne delajo samo ene povezave.

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Smrekar1 ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Res je, da je železnica manj učinkovita in manj zmogljiva, ampak ne delajo samo ene povezave.


Saj tudi nimaš samo enega pristanišča na vsaki strani.

Kopenska svilnata pot je način kako bo Kitajska izvozila predvsem nevzdržne dolgove, ki nastajajo v državi in si gospodarsko podredila naivne države, ki investirajo v te projekte.

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fikus_ ::

"Kopenska svilnata pot je način kako bo Kitajska izvozila predvsem nevzdržne dolgove, ki nastajajo v državi in si gospodarsko podredila naivne države, ki investirajo v te projekte. "

V prvi vrsti financiranje držav/projektov, ki jih zahod noče. So si pa Kitajci dali v pogodbe takšne varovalke, da normalne ljudi/politike glava peče. Npr. Črnogorci so nasedli takšnemu posojilu za avtocesto.

Invictus ::

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Eja. Železniški promet je desetkrat dražji od ladijskega. Kapaciteta je tudi dokaj mizerna v primerjavi z ladjami. Če na progo lahko spraviš 50 vlakov po 100 vagonov na dan boš v štirih dneh spravil skupaj za eno povprečno kontejnersko ladjo tovora.

V pristanišču naložijo in razložijo tako ladjo v 18 urah.

Samo ladja rabi 2 meseca, vlak rabi par dni...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Smrekar1 ::

fikus_ je izjavil:


V prvi vrsti financiranje držav/projektov, ki jih zahod noče. So si pa Kitajci dali v pogodbe takšne varovalke, da normalne ljudi/politike glava peče. Npr. Črnogorci so nasedli takšnemu posojilu za avtocesto.


Gre za financiranje projektov, ki finančno niso vzdržni, z varovalkami, ki ves riziko naložijo ne-Kitajski, z obrestmi vred.

Smrekar1 ::

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Samo ladja rabi 2 meseca, vlak rabi par dni...


Čas na poti je nerelevanten, ker imaš lahko na poti praktično neomejeno število ladij. Za pot iz Kitajske v Evropo potrebuje vlak recimo 1 teden, ladja 2 meseca. Vlak lahko opravi 8 poti v času ko ladja opravi eno.

Ladja lahko v eni vožnji pretovori za vsaj 200 vlakov robe. Ena ladja je torej po kapaciteti primerljiva z vsaj 25 vlaki, ki vozijo na trasi. Ja, vlak bo res prišel malo prej. To večinoma ni problem. Vzdrževanje 25 vlakov, proge, posadke vlakov in vse ostalo bo zanesljivo dražje od ladje. Poleg tega proga nosi omejeno število vlakov, saj je prostor na tirih omejen. Ta težava je na morju praktično zanemarljiva, med Kitajsko in Evropo sta dve ozki grli (Malakaška ožina in Suez), obema se da tudi ogniti in si še vedno učinkovitejši od vlakov.

Vlaki so fajn za promet tam, kjer nimaš opcije uporabe ladijskega prometa in pri kratkih razdaljah, nekaj sto kilometrov. Iz Kitajske obale do kamorkoli kar ni Kitajska bo ladja praktično vedno cenejša in boljša izbira.

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Invictus ::

Pač odvisno od robe.

Vlak je lahko tržna niša, kjer pokvarljivo robo ali kaj drugega dostaviš hitreje in seveda dražje.

Če bo dovolj strank, ki bodo to plačale, potem je to to... Vvseeno pa je vlak cenejši od letala...

Ni pa seveda vlak rešitev za vse... Za jeklo ziher ne ;).
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

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Smrekar1 ::

Invictus je izjavil:

Pač odvisno od robe.

Vlak je lahko tržna niša, kjer pokvarljivo robo ali kaj drugega dostaviš hitreje in seveda dražje.


Ah absolutno. Tu mora sicer tekmovati z bistveno hitrejšim letalom.

Ampak govora je o tem kako bi s "kopensko svilnato potjo" nadomestil ladijski promet. Ne. Vlak ima svojo nišo in to so krajše in srednje dolge razdalje, kjer je hitrost srednjega pomena, poleg niše kjer ladijski promet ni mogoč.

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mikhaair ::

Vlak vozi iz Kitajske do vzhodne Evrope predvsem elektroniko, kjer je dandanes nujno, da je čimprej na tržišču. Tukaj je 7-8 dni ali ladja s cenejšim prevozom odločilno. Tudi zato je celotna industrija elektronike nastanjena čim bliže Evropi v zahodni Kitajski. Oz. verjetno ta, ki tja izvaža.

BorutO ::

Evo, novi night vision mode ameriške vojske.

https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos...

Pac-Man ::

Letalci, ki varujejo jedrsko orožje (v Evropi) morajo bit konkretno nadudlani vseh procedur, nekateri so si pri učenju pomagali z online šmuglci...butasta poteza.

članek:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/05...

nit:
https://twitter.com/FoekePostma/status/...

It's difficult to overstate the extent of the security details that were shared by those protecting nuclear weapons: Positions of camera's, sensors and what they detect, secret duress words and signals used by guards, the frequency of patrols and how they are equipped, the procedures necessary to open shelters and the vaults beneath them that store nuclear weapons.
The security measures taken when a loaded vault is being opened. The sensors and equipment in and around these vaults, and which of these are tamper-protected, the authenticators of restricted area badges.
How bases are monitored, what incidents trigger what kind of alarms, and what kind of response each alarm will get, even details on how the passwords and usernames are configured of alarm monitoring stations.
It goes on and on.

And the flashcards don't just highlight where nukes are stored in Europe (a public secret), but for bases in the Netherlands and Italy, they apparently go even further, revealing which of the vaults on these bases contain nukes.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

xxxul ::

a originalna ST novica ni bla ok pa si mogu v svojo twitter smer zaspinat?
https://slo-tech.com/novice/t786100#crta

Pac-Man ::

Je OK, samo sem jo zgrešil. Postma je sicer avtor originalnega članka.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

xxxul ::

prihodnjost je očitno plastična:


britanci pa švabi pa verjetno komentirajo v smislu "ZDA je samo 50 let zadaj - jebemti NATO"

Pac-Man ::

V 80ih so poskusili nadomestit M16. Brez uspeha.





Advanced Combat Rifle @ Wikipedia
Although all the designs worked well, none managed to meet or even approach the 100% improvement over the M16A2 that the program demanded. In 1986/7, the United States Army Infantry School had published a report asserting that the rifle, as a weapon, had already reached its peak, and the only way to really improve matters was to use an exploding warhead.[citation needed] This led to the ending of the ACR program in April 1990, and led the way to the Objective Individual Combat Weapon program. The program's total cost was approximately US$300 million.[3]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

algoritem priporočil, B-36 v 4k iz filma:



Od 5:30 je lepa demonstracija, da batni motorji puščajo con/chemtraile.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Slab mesec staro, prvo tankanje z MQ-25

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Chalky ::

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Slab mesec staro, prvo tankanje z MQ-25




Američani so na pol poti do avtonomne zračne dominacije



Američani že testirajo bojna letala šeste generacije in NGAD koncept ki bo spremenil zračno vojskovanje. Bojna letala obkrožena z desetimi Loyal Wingmani, vsak Loyal Wingman bo pa nosil po 100+ manjših dronov tako da bo vse skupaj nemogoče sklatiti iz neba. Da o sami ceni sploh ne izgubljam besed. Pravzaprav smo temu že precej blizu in dejansko vse skupaj postaja čez dalje bolj verjetno.





In potem še celotna integracija NATA z Japonsko, Južno Korejo, Avstralijo ter Brazilijo

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Poldi112 ::

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Bojna letala obkrožena z desetimi Loyal Wingmani, vsak Loyal Wingman bo pa nosil po 100+ manjših dronov tako da bo vse skupaj nemogoče sklatiti iz neba.


To jih bo laser klatil kot komarje.

Ali jih pa radarsko motiš, da se začnejo zaletavati en v drugega. Oz. glede na ime "Loyal Wingman", vate.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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