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xxxul ::
pojma nimam kolk druga letala opravjo combat vs training missions; ampak dokler f35 ne bo uporabljan v dejanskih misijah, bo tezko vlect neke vzporednice; recimo ko bo 10 let v redni uporabi povsod (tudi na bojiscih), pol pa se bo lahko reklo x je najboljsi (no, ampak spet do neke mere, napredujejo tudi druge tehnologije, recimo kako je LSO vplival na varnost "...contributed to the US carrier landing accident rate plummeting from 35 per 10,000 landings in 1954 to 7 per 10,000 landings in 1957." - ce bi gledal samo statistiko bi lahko reku da so se mornariska letala po letu 1954 fulllll izboljsala...)
btw, stres ne tudi ne izhaja samo iz tega koliko je ogrožen sam pilot/letalo, ampak tudi koliko so ogroženi drugi (CAS, tega je blo tud v afghanistanu pa iraqu precej, in da, tudi v siriji so bli ruski "opazovalci").
btw, IMO bo imel f-35c precej vec problemov napram f-35a, pa ni nuno da bo dejansko slabs letalo...
btw, stres ne tudi ne izhaja samo iz tega koliko je ogrožen sam pilot/letalo, ampak tudi koliko so ogroženi drugi (CAS, tega je blo tud v afghanistanu pa iraqu precej, in da, tudi v siriji so bli ruski "opazovalci").
btw, IMO bo imel f-35c precej vec problemov napram f-35a, pa ni nuno da bo dejansko slabs letalo...
7982884e ::
ampak dokler f35 ne bo uporabljan v dejanskih misijah, bo tezko vlect neke vzporednicetisti clanek is the war zone je primerjal stevilke iz podobnih zacetnih obdobij drugih lovcev, tako da je kul vzporednica. za ostalo pa itak treba pocakati, ja.
Smrekar1 ::
ce ta clanek drzi, je trenutno 174 pilotov usposobljenih za f35
Če članek drži je bilo 174 ameriških pilotov usposobljenih za F-35A leta 2016. Usposobljeni za F-35B, F-35C in piloti drugih držav tu niso všteti, kot tudi niso všteti piloti, ki so jih usposobili v zadnjih dveh letih, ko je potekalo precej intenzivnejše urjenje.
kul, ampak ce podrobno preberes, je vecina inštruktorjev, izkušenih pilotov;
V bistvu samo piše, da je 31 od njih bivših pilotov za druge platforme, inštruktorji niso omenjeni.
Piše tudi, da bi vseh 31 boju raje letelo z prototipno različico F-35A kot svoje prejšnje letalo.
ko bodo začeli junce učit na teh ogromnih količinah letal se bo tud statistika spremenila.
Ni videti.
nočni pristanek na letalonosilki je bojda ena najboll stresnih stvari ki jo lahko pilot doživi, spet, kolko teh je f35c opravil?
Dovolj, da sta za kaj takega usposobljeni dve eskadrilji.
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav...
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Mr.B ::
V glavnem ni problem v pilotih amoak v SW-ju.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
vostok_1 ::
"The psychosis strong in this one is."Well, well, well:
"Some of the most cutting-edge weapons in the US's military arsenal can be "easily hacked" using "basic tools", a government report has concluded.
Never said, the US army is not retarded, nowadays.
Well...not just recently.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
Pac-Man ::
YT račun poln kratkih videov o sposobnostih F-35 in F-22.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ln9o...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ln9o...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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vostok_1 ::
Ni slabo, ne?
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
ADIJOOO1 ::
Najceneje za US-A bi bilo, da ukionejo celoten projekt F-35. ker že tako jih je stalo triljone in ker je letalo že zastavlljeno napačno bodo imeli še triljone za vzdrževanje sploh pa vprašanje če bodo kdaj odpravili napake mogoče imajo za to 15% možnosti. Najbolje za staro železo in začeti od začetka in poklicati kakšne druge strokovnjake, ki znajo narediti dobro letalo npr z Rusije.
Smrekar1 ::
Invictus ::
YT račun poln kratkih videov o sposobnostih F-35 in F-22.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ln9o...
Ta video predvsem kaže kako je letalo neokretno
.Sam hint, praktično nikoli ne preide iz enega manevra v drugega, ampak mora vmes malo po "ravnini" nabrati brzine...
Če ne veš o čem govorim, si poglej kak Su-35 ali eurofighter video...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
ADIJOOO1 ::
Mr.B ::
v glavnem goro f22 so namerno poskodovali zaradi rezervnih delov ..... pa danes je se en american, verjetno ko je mislil da je su27 enako kot f18 jostik naredil samomor v ukrajini...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Švedske korvete razreda Visby.
Izpuh je vodno hlajen, zato oblaki pare za ladjo.
Visby-class corvette @ Wikipedia
https://taskforce72.org/2017/11/18/the-...
Izpuh je vodno hlajen, zato oblaki pare za ladjo.
Visby-class corvette @ Wikipedia
https://taskforce72.org/2017/11/18/the-...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Smrekar1 ::
Invictus ::
Švedske korvete razreda Visby.
Izpuh je vodno hlajen, zato oblaki pare za ladjo.
Visby-class corvette @ Wikipedia
https://taskforce72.org/2017/11/18/the-...
Ironija da Švedi naredijo boljšo ladjo kot cela ameriška industrija...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
Cifix63 ::
F-35 je glede na svojo astronomsko ceno (tovrstna korupcija v Murici izjemno veliko stane) zelo slaba kanta.
Koliko velikih napak že ima?
Res sramota za takšno supersilo (bolj retorično, kot vojaško saj vse vojne izgubijo) pa čeprav že v primežu zatona.
Koliko velikih napak že ima?
Res sramota za takšno supersilo (bolj retorično, kot vojaško saj vse vojne izgubijo) pa čeprav že v primežu zatona.
Smrekar1 ::
Mr.B ::
F-35 je glede na svojo astronomsko ceno (tovrstna korupcija v Murici izjemno veliko stane) zelo slaba kanta.
Saj ne, da je 15% cenejši od Eurofighterja.
Pismenost je koristna veščina.
Da ko boš našel dejanske štroske, pa se oglasi. ker kot je znano, je F35 pač tako kot najem.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
Da ko boš našel dejanske štroske, pa se oglasi.
Od Eurofighterja ali od F-35?
Stane približno toliko kot konkurenčna letala. Če upoštevaš, da jih rabiš 3-4x manj za isto nalogo je nekje tolikokrat cenejši od konkurence.
Najbrž ne boš razumel in še vedno misliš, da lahko F-16 na vsako misijo nese samo orožje in nič zunanjega goriva in da ima F-35 samo notranje orožje, kajne?
Pardon, en glagol zgoraj ni bil najbolj primerno izbran. "Nabijaš" bi bil verjetno boljša izbira.
Mr.B ::
Da ko boš našel dejanske štroske, pa se oglasi.
Od Eurofighterja ali od F-35?
Stane približno toliko kot konkurenčna letala. Če upoštevaš, da jih rabiš 3-4x manj za isto nalogo je nekje tolikokrat cenejši od konkurence.
Najbrž ne boš razumel in še vedno misliš, da lahko F-16 na vsako misijo nese samo orožje in nič zunanjega goriva in da ima F-35 samo notranje orožje, kajne?
Pardon, en glagol zgoraj ni bil najbolj primerno izbran. "Nabijaš" bi bil verjetno boljša izbira.
Ha ha ha. Tako kot bi sedaj zaöel primerjati obratnosorazmernost hibridnega avtomobila proti komplet elektriönemu...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
Mr.B ::
Ha ha ha. Tako kot bi sedaj zaöel primerjati obratnosorazmernost hibridnega avtomobila proti komplet elektriönemu...
Moja napoved se je, kot je to v navadi, izkazala za pravilno.
Najbrž tudi tega ne boš razumel.
No kje v izraöuni si naüel podatek za ceno nadgradnje softwera... se spomniü samo za eno verzijo viüje, bodo vsi ostali plaöali dodatnih 12 mijard... Tako da ja, tvoje ocene so tako kot cena ure letenja. Greva iskat druge stevilke, ku niso v ceni... ali bos ostal stroski goriva, so tisti faktor ki prevaga na vagi...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
No kje v izraöuni si naüel podatek za ceno nadgradnje softwera... se spomniü samo za eno verzijo viüje, bodo vsi ostali plaöali dodatnih 12 mijard... Tako da ja, tvoje ocene so tako kot cena ure letenja. Greva iskat druge stevilke, ku niso v ceni... ali bos ostal stroski goriva, so tisti faktor ki prevaga na vagi...
To sem ti že računal nekaj časa nazaj, v tej temi. Potrudi se malo.
Mr.B ::
No kje v izraöuni si naüel podatek za ceno nadgradnje softwera... se spomniü samo za eno verzijo viüje, bodo vsi ostali plaöali dodatnih 12 mijard... Tako da ja, tvoje ocene so tako kot cena ure letenja. Greva iskat druge stevilke, ku niso v ceni... ali bos ostal stroski goriva, so tisti faktor ki prevaga na vagi...
To sem ti že računal nekaj časa nazaj, v tej temi. Potrudi se malo.
Tvoj prvi BS :
BS . iz tvoje prilimane slike je jasno napisano, da je F35Bc bistveno dražji of ostalih ne Ameriških lovcev in tudi ostalih.... Seveda nas boš začel prepričevati, da je 35B čudežno razpolovil stroške letenja in vzdržavanja napram 35A.
It is strange that the F-35B STOVL version operated by the US Marine Corps, which is the most expensive of the three to buy, should be the cheapest to support of all three variants, and even stranger that it should cost $2.5 million less to support than the F-35C carrier version.
Tvoj drugi BS :
Ne nakladaj, kje imaš vštet stroške nadgranje softwera, Recimo nadgradnja na Block 4.
Primer prvi zadetek :
Govorimo ceno za 15 letal...
F-35B Block 4 software upgrades will cost Britain £345m
Čez 5 let bo prišel ven Block 5 ali katerakoli verzija. Da bodo tvoja F35 letala kompatibilna za delo po NATO standardu boš plačal koliko... aja sreča ne bo jim trab plačati dodatne miljadre za nadgranjo na Block 4 do leta 2024. Res je pa to majhen strošek.
Potem pa pojdimo naslednjo temo : ČE vpišem v google in iščem samo podatke za leto 2018 : Hidden cost of F35
Vse to bo plačal kupec....
Major F35 flaws are being hidden so they can claim development phase is done
The Ministry of Defence is facing 'hundreds of millions of pounds in hidden costs' for Britain's next-generation warplane, it has been..
Air Force Risks Losing Third of F-35s on Upkeep Costs
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
7982884e ::
Belgium picks Lockheed's F-35 over Eurofighter on price
tale headline bo ziher triggeral en kup ljudi
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-aeros...
tale headline bo ziher triggeral en kup ljudi
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-aeros...
vostok_1 ::
Kupovanje polizdelkov se definitivno splača.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
jest10 ::
Belgium picks Lockheed's F-35 over Eurofighter on price
tale headline bo ziher triggeral en kup ljudi
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-aeros...
Vprašanje kaj je še v ozadju(dodatna ponudba in grožnje/izsiljevanje?)
Kot pri hrčkih in njihovi nabavi izraelskih kant.
Mr.B ::
Vemo porabo F35A in F35B ? https://www.globalsecurity.org/military...
Ampak čudežno bo F35Bbistveno cenejši za letet in ostalo
Ampak čudežno bo F35B
bistveno cenejši za letet in ostalo France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
bea system kot skoraj 50% lastnik eurofighterja, je no kot se rece no brexit. in je vprasanje kaj pomeni to za eurofighterja...
danes dam podatke za evropski avijon...
danes dam podatke za evropski avijon...
IRST sensor of Dassault Rafale's OSF can, at 20.000 ft, detect a subsonic fighter-sized target at 80 km from the front and 130 km from the rear. At low altitude, range from the rear is 110 km, which would indicate frontal range of 68 km. F-22 achieves supercruise speed of Mach 1,72-1,75 at 38.000 ft. Assuming similar increase in range between 20.000 and 40.000 ft, OSF should be able to detect the subsonic F-22 at distance of 90-95 km from the front and 145-155 km from the rear. If F-22 is supercruising at Mach 1,70 and 40.000 ft (about the limit of its supercruise performance at that altitude), range increases to 270-285 km from the front and 435-465 km from the rear.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Mr.B ::
Ni cudno da ima tako briljanten "safty record", sej vecino casa leti na tleh...
The Pentagon has grounded dozens of US F-35 jet fighters as a safety measure to resolve a fuel pipe hazard just days after issuing clearance to the aircraft to fly.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
7982884e ::
haha, itak, vedno ko se naredi nov posel z f-35, je zadaj groznja in izsiljevanje, ni variante da ne bi slucajno kdo kupil iz racionalnih stalisc, saj nam namrec armchair generali na internetu vsi zagotavljajo, da se gre za leteco kravo, ki leteti ne zna, ki kosta trilijon dolarjev po komadu in ki ne bo nikoli naredBelgium picks Lockheed's F-35 over Eurofighter on price
tale headline bo ziher triggeral en kup ljudi
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-aeros...
Vprašanje kaj je še v ozadju(dodatna ponudba in grožnje/izsiljevanje?)
Kot pri hrčkih in njihovi nabavi izraelskih kant.
Pac-Man ::
Tole gre z roko v roki z natovim interesom za našo prometno infrastrukturo.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-dusts...
Logistics capabilities that were second nature during the Cold War have deteriorated. Mobility impediments include narrow rail and road tunnels, varying gauges of rail track and legal restrictions on shipping ammunition across borders. Many European road- and rail-bridges are too low for hulking military vehicles to drive under or too weak to support a convoy of 100-ton battle tanks, officials say.
...
“People underestimate the logistics of combat,” said Elisabeth Braw, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a think tank in London. “We’re still far behind Russia in moving large numbers of troops.”
A case in point: The British Army sent more than 70 armored personnel carriers and Land Rovers to Netherlands earlier this month for a drive to Norway designed to test mobility. Before they could enter the country, any traces of British soil had to be removed to avoid potential contamination of Norwegian farms.
...
After Crimea’s seizure, NATO and its members realized how far their logistics capabilities had atrophied as alliance territory expanded. A dozen ex-communist countries had joined since 1999, pushing NATO’s eastern border much nearer Russia. Yet NATO planners had “zero knowledge” of their physical infrastructure such as bridges, a NATO official said. To remedy that, the official said, NATO launched a survey involving “an enormous amount of work.”
...
The EU, which spends billions of euros annually helping members fund infrastructure projects, is adding NATO requirements to its standard specifications, and is dedicating €6.5 billion ($7.45 billion) of its next seven-year budget, starting in 2021, to ensuring strategic transportation facilities meet military needs.
...
Europe’s next step will be arranging trucks, ships and railcars that can be summoned on short notice, officials say. During the Cold War, Europe’s state-owned railroads kept thousands of flatbed cars ready to carry tanks on short notice. Since 1989, they have been shed in waves of privatizations and cost-cutting. Buying civilian equipment with military uses doesn’t count toward NATO members’ spending commitments, so deciding who will pay for assets that often sit unused remains a topic of debate.
Gen. Hodges said buying transport equipment has the advantage of being less controversial than acquiring weapons. “We’re not asking for more German tanks. We’re asking for more German trains,” he said. “Just go buy them.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-dusts...
Logistics capabilities that were second nature during the Cold War have deteriorated. Mobility impediments include narrow rail and road tunnels, varying gauges of rail track and legal restrictions on shipping ammunition across borders. Many European road- and rail-bridges are too low for hulking military vehicles to drive under or too weak to support a convoy of 100-ton battle tanks, officials say.
...
“People underestimate the logistics of combat,” said Elisabeth Braw, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a think tank in London. “We’re still far behind Russia in moving large numbers of troops.”
A case in point: The British Army sent more than 70 armored personnel carriers and Land Rovers to Netherlands earlier this month for a drive to Norway designed to test mobility. Before they could enter the country, any traces of British soil had to be removed to avoid potential contamination of Norwegian farms.
...
After Crimea’s seizure, NATO and its members realized how far their logistics capabilities had atrophied as alliance territory expanded. A dozen ex-communist countries had joined since 1999, pushing NATO’s eastern border much nearer Russia. Yet NATO planners had “zero knowledge” of their physical infrastructure such as bridges, a NATO official said. To remedy that, the official said, NATO launched a survey involving “an enormous amount of work.”
...
The EU, which spends billions of euros annually helping members fund infrastructure projects, is adding NATO requirements to its standard specifications, and is dedicating €6.5 billion ($7.45 billion) of its next seven-year budget, starting in 2021, to ensuring strategic transportation facilities meet military needs.
...
Europe’s next step will be arranging trucks, ships and railcars that can be summoned on short notice, officials say. During the Cold War, Europe’s state-owned railroads kept thousands of flatbed cars ready to carry tanks on short notice. Since 1989, they have been shed in waves of privatizations and cost-cutting. Buying civilian equipment with military uses doesn’t count toward NATO members’ spending commitments, so deciding who will pay for assets that often sit unused remains a topic of debate.
Gen. Hodges said buying transport equipment has the advantage of being less controversial than acquiring weapons. “We’re not asking for more German tanks. We’re asking for more German trains,” he said. “Just go buy them.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Smrekar1 ::
It is strange that the F-35B STOVL version operated by the US Marine Corps, which is the most expensive of the three to buy, should be the cheapest to support of all three variants, and even stranger that it should cost $2.5 million less to support than the F-35C carrier version.
Samo če si nesposoben. Kar pisec definitivno je, ti najbrž tudi.
Poglej si razlog zakaj so Britanci opustili načrte, da bi svoji novi letalonosilki opremili s sistemom katapultov in jeklenic za lovljenje letal. Zadeva stane. Ne katapulti in jeklenice, ampak pristajanje na letalonosilki je tako zahtevno, da je to potrebno neprestano vaditi s tako intenziteto, da so stroški konkretno višji. F-35B te težave nima, zato so stroški z njim manjši in zato so Britanci za novo jedro flote izbrali sistem STOVL.
Tega z dvajsetnimutnim tečajem pač ne boš sposoben. Naj to kdo pove Rusom.
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Mr.B ::
It is strange that the F-35B STOVL version operated by the US Marine Corps, which is the most expensive of the three to buy, should be the cheapest to support of all three variants, and even stranger that it should cost $2.5 million less to support than the F-35C carrier version.
Samo če si nesposoben. Kar pisec definitivno je, ti najbrž tudi.
Poglej si razlog zakaj so Britanci opustili načrte, da bi svoji novi letalonosilki opremili s sistemom katapultov in jeklenic za lovljenje letal. Zadeva stane. Ne katapulti in jeklenice, ampak pristajanje na letalonosilki je tako zahtevno, da je to potrebno neprestano vaditi s tako intenziteto, da so stroški konkretno višji. F-35B te težave nima, zato so stroški z njim manjši in zato so Britanci za novo jedro flote izbrali sistem STOVL.
Tega z dvajsetnimutnim tečajem pač ne boš sposoben. Naj to kdo pove Rusom.
? Torej verzija, ki ima dodatno veternico, je cenejüa od ostalih...supper...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
? Torej verzija, ki ima dodatno veternico, je cenejüa od ostalih...supper...
Če nisi povsem nesposoben in veš, da je nakupna cena samo del celotne cene uporabe sistema.
Tega kritiki F-35 praviloma niti slučajno niso (niste?) sposobni. To še bolj velja za tiste, ki onanirajo na ruske konzerve ali roje "poceni" drončkov.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Isotropic ::
? Torej verzija, ki ima dodatno veternico, je cenejüa od ostalih...supper...
Če nisi povsem nesposoben in veš, da je nakupna cena samo del celotne cene uporabe sistema.
Tega kritiki F-35 praviloma niti slučajno niso (niste?) sposobni. To še bolj velja za tiste, ki onanirajo na ruske konzerve ali roje "poceni" drončkov.
moderatorji, prosim malo obvladajte citiranega majstra
vsekakor je pa B verzija zgolj butična in pravi stroški vzdrževanja šele pridejo... usmc že zdaj recimo zanemarja ostale enote na račun letalstva.
tudi zato, ker vejo, da če izgubijo letalske enote, jih ne bodo nikoli več imeli.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Isotropic ()
Smrekar1 ::
vsekakor je pa B verzija zgolj butična in pravi stroški vzdrževanja šele pridejo... usmc že zdaj recimo zanemarja ostale enote na račun letalstva.
tudi zato, ker vejo, da če izgubijo letalske enote, jih ne bodo nikoli več imeli.
Do vključno lani je bilo dobavljenih skupno 108 "butičnih" F-35B, nekaj čez 500 je naročil.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement @ Wikipedia
Za primerjavo, blazno popularni, veliki hit Su-35 ima do danes 88 narejenih primerkov, skupaj 135 naročil.
Sukhoi Su-35 @ Wikipedia
Mr.B ::
vsekakor je pa B verzija zgolj butična in pravi stroški vzdrževanja šele pridejo... usmc že zdaj recimo zanemarja ostale enote na račun letalstva.
tudi zato, ker vejo, da če izgubijo letalske enote, jih ne bodo nikoli več imeli.
Do vključno lani je bilo dobavljenih skupno 108 "butičnih" F-35B, nekaj čez 500 je naročil.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement @ Wikipedia
Za primerjavo, blazno popularni, veliki hit Su-35 ima do danes 88 narejenih primerkov, skupaj 135 naročil.
Sukhoi Su-35 @ Wikipedia
lol, glede na to da so sele letos, sli iz dev v war ready, s tem da so skrili napake pod tp sicret, se ne smesi... ce ne drugega vemo koliko stane
vzdrzevanje verzije a, z verzijo b so cene zbili na 1/3 .
vstol verzija je zagotovo drazja za vzdrzevati saj ima vec gibljivih delov. ostalo je skupno...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
Mr.B ::
vstol verzija je zagotovo drazja za vzdrzevati saj ima vec gibljivih delov. ostalo je skupno...
Branje ti ni vrlina, kajne?
sej vem, da z navpicnim vzletanjem je man kompleksen in totalno drugi avion...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Mr.B ::
Zgleda rabijo da zaščitijo svoje stelth frčoplane...
L3 Technologies and Northrop Grumman have each received contracts to explore technology options for the low band increment of the US Navy's (USN's) AN/ALQ-249 Next Generation Jammer (NGJ) programme.
L3 Technologies and Northrop Grumman have each received contracts to explore technology options for the low band increment of the US Navy's (USN's) AN/ALQ-249 Next Generation Jammer (NGJ) programme.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
tikitoki ::
? Torej verzija, ki ima dodatno veternico, je cenejüa od ostalih...supper...
Če nisi povsem nesposoben in veš, da je nakupna cena samo del celotne cene uporabe sistema.
Tega kritiki F-35 praviloma niti slučajno niso (niste?) sposobni. To še bolj velja za tiste, ki onanirajo na ruske konzerve ali roje "poceni" drončkov.
Vsi vemo, da americani ne uporabljajo dronov.
vsekakor je pa B verzija zgolj butična in pravi stroški vzdrževanja šele pridejo... usmc že zdaj recimo zanemarja ostale enote na račun letalstva.
tudi zato, ker vejo, da če izgubijo letalske enote, jih ne bodo nikoli več imeli.
Do vključno lani je bilo dobavljenih skupno 108 "butičnih" F-35B, nekaj čez 500 je naročil.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement @ Wikipedia
Za primerjavo, blazno popularni, veliki hit Su-35 ima do danes 88 narejenih primerkov, skupaj 135 naročil.
Sukhoi Su-35 @ Wikipedia
Da ZDA kaznujejo nakupe ruske opreme, nima popolnoma nobenega vpliva na zbiro drzav.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: tikitoki ()
Mr.B ::
Zadnje čase veliko govorijo o hypersonic karkoli ti američani, prav tako kolikor mi je jasno so ravno podpisali pogodbo za novi kobat drone.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
Mr.B ::
Da ZDA kaznujejo nakupe ruske opreme, nima popolnoma nobenega vpliva na zbiro drzav.
Ne.
PA Indijskega tudi...
Ali Amerika uvede sankcije proti kitajski ker je kupila S400.
lol smreki...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
PA Indijskega tudi...
Ali Amerika uvede sankcije proti kitajski ker je kupila S400.
lol smreki...
Zgolj prijateljski nasvet, če se ti v življenju zalomi lahko ponovno poskusiš uspeti v stand-up komediji.
Morda ti uspe zgolj v kategoriji "vidi budalo" a la Murko, ampak bolje to kot da si brezdomec. Najbrž.
S-400 je strateško zgrešen sistem. Z njimi lahko v najboljšem primeru dosežeš, da sovražnik za zmago rabi več časa. To je to, drugega ne zmorejo.
Poldi112 ::
No, kar zmore je tudi konkretno omejiti operacije zahodnih držav. Ko je prišel v Sirijo, so turki konkretno omejili svojo prisotnost v zraku.
Kitajci bodo z njim hudo omejili USA opcije okoli svoje obale in Tajvana. A misliš, da imajo USA jajca direkt napasti ruske ali kitajske radarje? To bi naredili zgolj v vojni, ki pa je tako daleč od doma ne morejo dobiti.
Kitajci bodo z njim hudo omejili USA opcije okoli svoje obale in Tajvana. A misliš, da imajo USA jajca direkt napasti ruske ali kitajske radarje? To bi naredili zgolj v vojni, ki pa je tako daleč od doma ne morejo dobiti.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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