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Rambutan ::
Zgleda, da hočejo sprovocirati Iran. Najprej so ubili iranskega generala v Siriji, potem voditelja Hamasa v Libanonu. Včeraj teroristični napad na civiliste, ki so se udeležili slovesnost ob 4. obletnici ameriškega uboja iranskega generala Soleimanija, več kot 200 mrtvih v dveh eksplozijah. Drugo eksplozijo so sprožili 20 minut za prvo, ko so ljudje prišli pomagat žrtvam prve eksplozije. Danes še en ameriški napad z dronom na Iransko milico v Iraku. Čakajo, da bo Iran odgovoril, potem bodo pa ZDA eskalirali naprej.
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The Middle East is on the brink of a major regional war
Today's attack in Iran, in which more than 210 people have officially died so far, is only one such major blow to Iran in the last few days.
First, Israel, probably with the green light of the United States, killed the Iranian General Moussavi in an airstrike in Syria. Yesterday killed the leader of Hamas in the capital of Lebanon, Beirut, and today the Mossad, according to Iranian officials, although Israel denied, carried out a terrorist attack in Iran and caused a massacre of over 210 dead and many injured. The terrorist attack was carried out with briefcase bombs that were detonated remotely by remote control, a technology typical of the Mossad.
It is already obvious that Israel and the US are openly challenging Iran to a major war.
In addition, the United States and some of its vassal states sent a final warning to the Houthis of Yemen. If they do not stop the attacks on the ships heading towards Israel, they will bear the consequences.
Today, The Wall Street Jurnal also wrote that the action plan to attack the Houthis is ready.
Currently, The Supreme National Security Council of Iran will convene an emergency meeting soon.
One thing is clear that Israel has realized that it cannot defeat the Palestinians alone, so it will look for an excuse for the US to go directly to war.
That is why Iran is currently being provoked to the maximum. Currently the situation in the Middle East is very tense.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status...
The Middle East is on the brink of a major regional war
Today's attack in Iran, in which more than 210 people have officially died so far, is only one such major blow to Iran in the last few days.
First, Israel, probably with the green light of the United States, killed the Iranian General Moussavi in an airstrike in Syria. Yesterday killed the leader of Hamas in the capital of Lebanon, Beirut, and today the Mossad, according to Iranian officials, although Israel denied, carried out a terrorist attack in Iran and caused a massacre of over 210 dead and many injured. The terrorist attack was carried out with briefcase bombs that were detonated remotely by remote control, a technology typical of the Mossad.
It is already obvious that Israel and the US are openly challenging Iran to a major war.
In addition, the United States and some of its vassal states sent a final warning to the Houthis of Yemen. If they do not stop the attacks on the ships heading towards Israel, they will bear the consequences.
Today, The Wall Street Jurnal also wrote that the action plan to attack the Houthis is ready.
Currently, The Supreme National Security Council of Iran will convene an emergency meeting soon.
One thing is clear that Israel has realized that it cannot defeat the Palestinians alone, so it will look for an excuse for the US to go directly to war.
That is why Iran is currently being provoked to the maximum. Currently the situation in the Middle East is very tense.
fur80 ::
Zgleda, da hočejo sprovocirati Iran. Najprej so ubili iranskega generala v Siriji, potem voditelja Hamasa v Libanonu. Včeraj teroristični napad na civiliste, ki so se udeležili slovesnost ob 4. obletnici ameriškega uboja iranskega generala Soleimanija, več kot 200 mrtvih v dveh eksplozijah. Drugo eksplozijo so sprožili 20 minut za prvo, ko so ljudje prišli pomagat žrtvam prve eksplozije. Danes še en ameriški napad z dronom na Iransko milico v Iraku. Čakajo, da bo Iran odgovoril, potem bodo pa ZDA eskalirali naprej.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status...
The Middle East is on the brink of a major regional war
Today's attack in Iran, in which more than 210 people have officially died so far, is only one such major blow to Iran in the last few days.
First, Israel, probably with the green light of the United States, killed the Iranian General Moussavi in an airstrike in Syria. Yesterday killed the leader of Hamas in the capital of Lebanon, Beirut, and today the Mossad, according to Iranian officials, although Israel denied, carried out a terrorist attack in Iran and caused a massacre of over 210 dead and many injured. The terrorist attack was carried out with briefcase bombs that were detonated remotely by remote control, a technology typical of the Mossad.
It is already obvious that Israel and the US are openly challenging Iran to a major war.
In addition, the United States and some of its vassal states sent a final warning to the Houthis of Yemen. If they do not stop the attacks on the ships heading towards Israel, they will bear the consequences.
Today, The Wall Street Jurnal also wrote that the action plan to attack the Houthis is ready.
Currently, The Supreme National Security Council of Iran will convene an emergency meeting soon.
One thing is clear that Israel has realized that it cannot defeat the Palestinians alone, so it will look for an excuse for the US to go directly to war.
That is why Iran is currently being provoked to the maximum. Currently the situation in the Middle East is very tense.
Če bi se Irana bali, tega sigurno ne bi delali! ;) Bezljajo jih iz lukenj, a ne vidiš, kot morajo Hamas v Gazi. Če je ajatola tako nor, da bo potegnil toliko miljonov ljudi v vojno?
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Unilseptij ::
bucman, ajatola je ja nor, to je vendar dejstvo 
... smo pa nekateri resnicno mislili, da voditelji NATA (morda celo Izraela) niso (cisto) nori, ampak kaze, da smo se zmotili in je norost kar enakomerno porazdeljena na obe strani. In to je ravno najbolj zaskrbljujoce.
... smo pa nekateri resnicno mislili, da voditelji NATA (morda celo Izraela) niso (cisto) nori, ampak kaze, da smo se zmotili in je norost kar enakomerno porazdeljena na obe strani. In to je ravno najbolj zaskrbljujoce. Rambutan ::
Američani so že leta 2009 planirali vojno z Iranom. Kot kaže, se ZDA ravnajo kar po scenariju iz 2009.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up...
For that reason, it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)
This suggests that this option might benefit from being held in abeyance until such time as the Iranians made an appropriately provocative move, as they do from time to time. In that case, it would be less a determined policy to employ airstrikes and instead more of an opportunistic hope that Iran would provide the United States with the kind of provocation that would justify airstrikes.
In a similar vein, any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it. The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances, the United States (orIsrael) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up...
For that reason, it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)
This suggests that this option might benefit from being held in abeyance until such time as the Iranians made an appropriately provocative move, as they do from time to time. In that case, it would be less a determined policy to employ airstrikes and instead more of an opportunistic hope that Iran would provide the United States with the kind of provocation that would justify airstrikes.
In a similar vein, any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it. The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances, the United States (orIsrael) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.
fur80 ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
bucman, ajatola je ja nor, to je vendar dejstvo
Samo ne vem kje bi se spopadli? Na morju in v zraku lahko Iranci samo sanjajo zmago, po kopnem v pehoti, pa vprašanje, če sploh pridejo živi do Izraela, tako da bo spet pokalo po nedolžnih iranskih civilistih.
papasmrk ::
Včeraj teroristični napad na civiliste, ki so se udeležili slovesnost ob 4. obletnici ameriškega uboja iranskega generala Soleimanija, več kot 200 mrtvih v dveh eksplozijah. Drugo eksplozijo so sprožili 20 minut za prvo, ko so ljudje prišli pomagat žrtvam prve eksplozije.
Za to zaenkrat ni še nihče prevzel odgovornosti. Je pa sigurno res, da imajo že sami iranci poln kufer te islamistične oblasti in so to neke notranje frakcije, ki bi rade destabilizirale trenutno oblast.
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Rambutan ::
Zanimivo, da so te študije, kako začeti konflikt z Iranom kar javno objavljene.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up...
It would not be inevitable that Iran would lash out violently in response to an American air campaign, but no American president should blithely assume that it would not. Iran has not always retaliated for American attacks against it. Initially after the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 in December 1988, many believed that this was Iranian retaliation for the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 455 by the American cruiser USS Vincennes in July of that year. However, today all of the evidence points to Libya as the culprit for that terrorist attack, which if true would suggest that Iran never did retaliate for its loss. Nor did Iran retaliate for America’s Operation Praying Mantis, which in 1988 resulted in the sinking of most of Iran’s major warships. Consequently, it is possible that Iran would simply choose to play the victim if attacked by the United States, assuming (probably correctly) that this would win the clerical regime considerable sympathy both domestically and internationally.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up...
It would not be inevitable that Iran would lash out violently in response to an American air campaign, but no American president should blithely assume that it would not. Iran has not always retaliated for American attacks against it. Initially after the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 in December 1988, many believed that this was Iranian retaliation for the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 455 by the American cruiser USS Vincennes in July of that year. However, today all of the evidence points to Libya as the culprit for that terrorist attack, which if true would suggest that Iran never did retaliate for its loss. Nor did Iran retaliate for America’s Operation Praying Mantis, which in 1988 resulted in the sinking of most of Iran’s major warships. Consequently, it is possible that Iran would simply choose to play the victim if attacked by the United States, assuming (probably correctly) that this would win the clerical regime considerable sympathy both domestically and internationally.
Rambutan ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
bucman, ajatola je ja nor, to je vendar dejstvo
Samo ne vem kje bi se spopadli? Na morju in v zraku lahko Iranci samo sanjajo zmago, po kopnem v pehoti, pa vprašanje, če sploh pridejo živi do Izraela, tako da bo spet pokalo po nedolžnih iranskih civilistih.
Če bodo ZDA napadli, bo to napad samo z raketami iz letal in ladij. Za kopensko posredovanje nimajo ZDA niti dovolj kopenske vojske v bližini, kopensko posredovanje bi bil politični harakiri v volilnem letu, sploh pa nimajo nobenih možnosti za zmago, v najboljšem primeru bi se ponovila zgodba iz Iraka in Afganistana.
Najnevarnejš razplet pa bi bil to, da jim Iran sesuje ladje, ZDA pa se jim maščujejo z jedrskim orožjem. Biden in njegova četica neokonov Blinken, Sullivan in Nullan so zmožni vsega.
Iran pa prav tako ne bo s kopensko vojsko napadel Izraela, za to imajo Hezbolah v Libanonu. Njim bodo dali svoje rakete in drone, s katerimi bodo ti napadali Izrael.
Najbolj žalostno je pa to, se vse to dogaja samo zato, da bi Izrael lahko še naprej lahko stradal in etično čistil Gazo. Rules based order v vsem svojem sijaju
fur80 ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
bucman, ajatola je ja nor, to je vendar dejstvo
Samo ne vem kje bi se spopadli? Na morju in v zraku lahko Iranci samo sanjajo zmago, po kopnem v pehoti, pa vprašanje, če sploh pridejo živi do Izraela, tako da bo spet pokalo po nedolžnih iranskih civilistih.
Če bodo ZDA napadli, bo to napad samo z raketami iz letal in ladij. Za kopensko posredovanje nimajo ZDA niti dovolj kopenske vojske v bližini, kopensko posredovanje bi bil politični harakiri v volilnem letu, sploh pa nimajo nobenih možnosti za zmago, v najboljšem primeru bi se ponovila zgodba iz Iraka in Afganistana.
Najnevarnejš razplet pa bi bil to, da jim Iran sesuje ladje, ZDA pa se jim maščujejo z jedrskim orožjem. Biden in njegova četica neokonov Blinken, Sullivan in Nullan so zmožni vsega.
Iran pa prav tako ne bo s kopensko vojsko napadel Izraela, za to imajo Hezbolah v Libanonu. Njim bodo dali svoje rakete in drone, s katerimi bodo ti napadali Izrael.
Najbolj žalostno je pa to, se vse to dogaja samo zato, da bi Izrael lahko še naprej lahko stradal in etično čistil Gazo. Rules based order v vsem svojem sijaju
Kakim jederskim orožjem, pa niso USA pijani Rusi im Medvedjev, ki grozi z nukicami. Hezbolah ne more kopensko napasti Izraela, ker jih bo Izrael zravnal z zemljo, pa šel pol Bejruta zraven, pa niso se prišli Izraelci hecat in poslušat kaj moteni verski voditelji tolčejo po njih. Pa to se lahko gredo z kakimi Nemci ali USA na daljavo, Izrael se ne zajebava.
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Chalky ::
Ravno zaradi tega so zdaj v Iranu v paniki kajti če bo Izrael šel v vojno z Hezbollo in če jo čez čas onesposobijo potem Iran praktično Izraela po kopnem ne more več ogrožati. Edina grožnja bi bile potem rakete in ravno zaradi tega bi bila vojna proti Iranu precej drugačna kot si jo mi predstavljamo. Zadnjič sem gledal kako iranska vojska izvaja vojaške vaje na svojem ozemlju kjer s tanki, oklepniki in ostalim težkem orožjem trenirajo pripravljenost...
to je povsem brezpredmetno ker noben tank ne more ogroziti Izraela ker je razdalja enostavno prevelika. Zato Američani sploh nebi uporabljali svojih raket za tanke, oklepnike, ter objekte kjer proizvajajo težko orožje ker je to povsem brezpredmetno, kar pomeni da se morebitne tarče številčno bistveno zmanjšajo. Če bi ZDA napadle Iran bi bilo to predvsem iz zraka medtem ko bi bile glavne tarče predvsem proizvodnje raket, launcherji itd. ZDA nikoli ne bodo vstopile v Iran ker bi dal pogrnili na celi črti in bi imeli ogromno mrtvih, poleg tega jim niti ni potrebno.
Morebitna vojna z Iranom zagotovo nebi bila podobna tisti iz Iraka oziroma Afganistana saj Američani ne bodo in verjetno niti ne morejo okupirati celotnega Irana. To bi bila verjetno tudi ena najcenejših vojn za ZDA ker najceneje je nekaj uničiti preko bomb, najdražje pa je sama okupacija ki stane na milijarde dolarjev ker moraš na sto tisoče vojakov plačevati in vedno skrbeti za njih. ZDA so recimo pri napadu na Irak večino dela opravile v prvih mesecih vojne in če bi se takrat vojna končala bi bila to najcenejša vojna in bi pri tem prihranili na trilijone dolarjev. V primeru Irana bi Ameri ciljali predvsem objekte ki so precej vrednejši kot ena bomba tako da bi iz finančnega vidika na koncu Iran imel precej večje finančne izgube. Za Američane je še najcenejše bombardiranje, problem je ker ne vedo kaj po tem...če bi želeli okupirati Iran bi morali potem za to nameniti po 100 milijard letno kar pa verjetno doma nebi odobravali.
to je povsem brezpredmetno ker noben tank ne more ogroziti Izraela ker je razdalja enostavno prevelika. Zato Američani sploh nebi uporabljali svojih raket za tanke, oklepnike, ter objekte kjer proizvajajo težko orožje ker je to povsem brezpredmetno, kar pomeni da se morebitne tarče številčno bistveno zmanjšajo. Če bi ZDA napadle Iran bi bilo to predvsem iz zraka medtem ko bi bile glavne tarče predvsem proizvodnje raket, launcherji itd. ZDA nikoli ne bodo vstopile v Iran ker bi dal pogrnili na celi črti in bi imeli ogromno mrtvih, poleg tega jim niti ni potrebno.
Morebitna vojna z Iranom zagotovo nebi bila podobna tisti iz Iraka oziroma Afganistana saj Američani ne bodo in verjetno niti ne morejo okupirati celotnega Irana. To bi bila verjetno tudi ena najcenejših vojn za ZDA ker najceneje je nekaj uničiti preko bomb, najdražje pa je sama okupacija ki stane na milijarde dolarjev ker moraš na sto tisoče vojakov plačevati in vedno skrbeti za njih. ZDA so recimo pri napadu na Irak večino dela opravile v prvih mesecih vojne in če bi se takrat vojna končala bi bila to najcenejša vojna in bi pri tem prihranili na trilijone dolarjev. V primeru Irana bi Ameri ciljali predvsem objekte ki so precej vrednejši kot ena bomba tako da bi iz finančnega vidika na koncu Iran imel precej večje finančne izgube. Za Američane je še najcenejše bombardiranje, problem je ker ne vedo kaj po tem...če bi želeli okupirati Iran bi morali potem za to nameniti po 100 milijard letno kar pa verjetno doma nebi odobravali.
Rambutan ::
Niti Hezbolahu ne bo treba v Izrael, Iran jim bo dal svoje rakete in drone s katerimi bodo napadali Izrael, dokler ne bodo Izraelci pogruntali, da so se zaplezali in da se bo treba začeti pogajati.
papasmrk ::
Niti Hezbolahu ne bo treba v Izrael, Iran jim bo dal svoje rakete in drone s katerimi bodo napadali Izrael, dokler ne bodo Izraelci pogruntali, da so se zaplezali in da se bo treba začeti pogajati.
Ti se boš res enkrat moral zbudit iz sanj. Tole že predolgo traja...
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Chalky ::
Orožje more najprej pridi do Libanona, pot je precej dolga in bi Američani že prej vse zaznali sploh če bi šlo za kakšno resno pošiljko. Koliko časa potrebuje Iran da pošlje en tovornjak orožja vse do Libanona? Ne vem, predvidevam da je pot precej dolga. Poleg tega sem jaz navedel primer kjer bi Izrael onesposobil Hezbollo kar je tudi njihov cilj predno bi se spustili v vojno z Iranom. Izrael računa ravno na to da najprej uniči Hamas, potem vse sile usmeri v Hezbollah in šele potem Iran. Seveda ima Iran druge načrte ampak dejstvo je da Izrael računa na ta scenarij. Izrael računa da bodo Ameri držali Iran na povodcu dokler se ne uničili Hezbollah, takrat bo pa za Iran že prepozno.
Unilseptij ::
Kako pa je potem Hamas nabral vec tisoc raket, ki jih je oktobra poslal nad Izrael?
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
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Unilseptij je izjavil:
Kako pa je potem Hamas nabral vec tisoc raket, ki jih je oktobra poslal nad Izrael?
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
A niso to rakete domače izdelave in ne neke iranske super-tech rakete.
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Chalky ::
Ljudje velikokrat pravijo da ima Iran veliko prednost zaradi svojega terena ampak to velja tudi v obratni smeri in jim to predstavlja ogromen problem saj so v bistvu zasidrani znotraj in nimajo kam v primeru vojne z ZDA. Problem za Iran je da imajo Američani zračno premoč kjer v real time vse skupaj opazujejo. Vse ostalo je bolj kot ne nepomembno. Tudi objekti oziroma proizvodnje kjer Iran proizvaja rakete ki bi bili potem potencialno namenjene v Libanon bi Američani že na začetku uničili, zgraditi takšno proizvodnjo linijo pa ni preprosto in se je ne da zgraditi čez noč.
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Rambutan ::
Niti Hezbolahu ne bo treba v Izrael, Iran jim bo dal svoje rakete in drone s katerimi bodo napadali Izrael, dokler ne bodo Izraelci pogruntali, da so se zaplezali in da se bo treba začeti pogajati.
Ti se boš res enkrat moral zbudit iz sanj. Tole že predolgo traja...
Iz sanj o vsemogočnosti ZDA se bo moral kdo drug prebuditi. Upam pa, da zaradi tega ne bo treba umirati ljudem iz Zahodne Aziji in ponoviti usodo Ukrajincev, ki so verjeli v vsemogočnost NATA in na lepe besede o vstopu v EU in NATO.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0...
Chalky ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
Kako pa je potem Hamas nabral vec tisoc raket, ki jih je oktobra poslal nad Izrael?
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
Večina "raket" je doma proizvedenih. Hamas je enkrat celo objavil posnetek kako to naredijo. Nekaj orožja je prišlo tudi preko Egipta če se ne motim. To se je dogajalo v času ko ni bilo vojne, ali misliš da bi recimo Iran danes lahko poslal orožje v Gazo? Realno vprašanje. Izrael že v Siriji bombardira karkoli sumljivega. Ravno zadnjič naj bi iz Sirije prihajala vojaška pomoč v Libanon pa so Izraelci takoj bombardirali vse skupaj. Če bi Iran lahko pošiljal orožje v Gazo danes, bi to verjetno tudi počel vendar je to nemogoče.
Unilseptij ::
mah, doma proizvedenih my ass... morda jih sestavijo tam, ker ocitno ne morejo tovoriti celih sleparjev novih sestavljenih raket, sigurno pa material, znanje in tehnologija ni iz Gaze, kjer pac ni nicesar.
Chalky ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
mah, doma proizvedenih my ass... morda jih sestavijo tam, ker ocitno ne morejo tovoriti celih sleparjev novih sestavljenih raket, sigurno pa material, znanje in tehnologija ni iz Gaze, kjer pac ni nicesar.
Ali me želiš prepričani da lahko Iran v tem trenutku pošlje orožje v Gazo? Zakaj tega potem ne počne? Mole bolj realno poglej vse skupaj, Iran v tem trenutku ne more poslati orožja v Gazo če ne bi to že storil.
Chalky ::
Zgleda, da hočejo sprovocirati Iran. Najprej so ubili iranskega generala v Siriji, potem voditelja Hamasa v Libanonu. Včeraj teroristični napad na civiliste, ki so se udeležili slovesnost ob 4. obletnici ameriškega uboja iranskega generala Soleimanija, več kot 200 mrtvih v dveh eksplozijah. Drugo eksplozijo so sprožili 20 minut za prvo, ko so ljudje prišli pomagat žrtvam prve eksplozije. Danes še en ameriški napad z dronom na Iransko milico v Iraku. Čakajo, da bo Iran odgovoril, potem bodo pa ZDA eskalirali naprej.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status...
The Middle East is on the brink of a major regional war
Today's attack in Iran, in which more than 210 people have officially died so far, is only one such major blow to Iran in the last few days.
First, Israel, probably with the green light of the United States, killed the Iranian General Moussavi in an airstrike in Syria. Yesterday killed the leader of Hamas in the capital of Lebanon, Beirut, and today the Mossad, according to Iranian officials, although Israel denied, carried out a terrorist attack in Iran and caused a massacre of over 210 dead and many injured. The terrorist attack was carried out with briefcase bombs that were detonated remotely by remote control, a technology typical of the Mossad.
It is already obvious that Israel and the US are openly challenging Iran to a major war.
In addition, the United States and some of its vassal states sent a final warning to the Houthis of Yemen. If they do not stop the attacks on the ships heading towards Israel, they will bear the consequences.
Today, The Wall Street Jurnal also wrote that the action plan to attack the Houthis is ready.
Currently, The Supreme National Security Council of Iran will convene an emergency meeting soon.
One thing is clear that Israel has realized that it cannot defeat the Palestinians alone, so it will look for an excuse for the US to go directly to war.
That is why Iran is currently being provoked to the maximum. Currently the situation in the Middle East is very tense.
Kot kaže ne bo držalo vsaj v tem primeru ne:
Iranian State Media is now reporting that the First Explosion during the Bombing yesterday in the City of Kerman was Triggered by a Suicide Bomber and while Investigations are still ongoing, it’s believed that the Second Explosion was also the result of a Suicide Bomber; this continues to suggest that this Terrorist Attack was likely carried out by ISIS or an ISIS-Linked Group.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status...
Več kot očitno gre za notranja trenja in Izrael nima prstov vmes vsaj v tem primeru ne. Izrael ponavadi kar se tiče Irana cilja predvsem tiste pri vrhu in ne Irance same. Sploh pa bi bilo čudno da bi to storil na pogrebu med množico ljudi kjer ni nobenega pomembnega predstavnika vmes. Kot kaže je šlo za nekoga ki se je rastrelil med ljudmi.
fur80 ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
Kako pa je potem Hamas nabral vec tisoc raket, ki jih je oktobra poslal nad Izrael?
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
Iz vodovodnih cevi, ki jih je naivni zahodni svet dal za žejne in lačne Palestince.
Rambutan ::
Kot kaže ne bo držalo vsaj v tem primeru ne:
Iranian State Media is now reporting that the First Explosion during the Bombing yesterday in the City of Kerman was Triggered by a Suicide Bomber and while Investigations are still ongoing, it’s believed that the Second Explosion was also the result of a Suicide Bomber; this continues to suggest that this Terrorist Attack was likely carried out by ISIS or an ISIS-Linked Group.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status...
Več kot očitno gre za notranja trenja in Izrael nima prstov vmes vsaj v tem primeru ne. Izrael ponavadi kar se tiče Irana cilja predvsem tiste pri vrhu in ne Irance same. Sploh pa bi bilo čudno da bi to storil na pogrebu med množico ljudi kjer ni nobenega pomembnega predstavnika vmes. Kot kaže je šlo za nekoga ki se je rastrelil med ljudmi.
Tudi to ne izključuje, da je Izrael v ozadju. Isis je namreč izraelski podizvajalec, Izrael je zdravil ranjene pripadnike ISISA in jim dostavljal orožje. Očitno pa je, da si Iran ne želi eskalacije in umirja situacijo. Vsi tej dogodki proti Iranu pa kažejo na to, da si Izrael želi potegniti ZDA v vojno z Iranom, oz. ZDA preko Izraela provocirajo Iran.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defens...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-giv...
fur80 ::
Tako se pokažejo potem, ter kje so.
#Photo: Shocking: Senior Qhamas officials Musa Abu Marzouk and Fathi Hamad spotted at Al-Arouri's funeral in Beirut.
Both on top of Israel's target list.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/174...
#Photo: Shocking: Senior Qhamas officials Musa Abu Marzouk and Fathi Hamad spotted at Al-Arouri's funeral in Beirut.
Both on top of Israel's target list.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/174...
Lesoto ::
Zgleda, da hočejo sprovocirati Iran.
US troops in Iraq and Syria have faced over 100 attacks since October
Since mid-October, bases housing U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria have come under attack at least 102 times, a defense official confirmed to Military Times on Friday.
KDO HOČE KOGA SPROVOCIRAT???????
Unilseptij ::
hehe, spet vidim to cudno slepoto... kaj US sploh dela v Iraku in Siriji in kdo se brani, kdo pa je konec koncev okupator?
Lesoto ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
hehe, spet vidim to cudno slepoto... kaj US sploh dela v Iraku in Siriji in kdo se brani, kdo pa je konec koncev okupator?
Vprašaj iraško vlado, kaj delajo v Iraku. Glede Sirije, pa vprašaj Kurde pa Assada, zakaj se je vtikal v interne zadeve Iraka.
Dejstvo je, da Iranci na veliko provocirajo Američane po 7. oktobru. Ne obratno.
Rambutan ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
hehe, spet vidim to cudno slepoto... kaj US sploh dela v Iraku in Siriji in kdo se brani, kdo pa je konec koncev okupator?
Vprašaj iraško vlado, kaj delajo v Iraku. Glede Sirije, pa vprašaj Kurde pa Assada, zakaj se je vtikal v interne zadeve Iraka.
Dejstvo je, da Iranci na veliko provocirajo Američane po 7. oktobru. Ne obratno.
Američani so nezaželjeni v Iraku.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/06/midd...
V Siriji so isto nezaželjeni, tam pa ilegalno zasedajo del države in kradejo nafto, kot je lepo povedal Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1...
Predstavnica Pentagona Dana Stroul lepo razloži, kaj počne ZDA v Siriji, zasedajo del Sirije, bogat z nafto in pšenico za to, da imajo vzvod nad Sirijo. Podobno kot Izraelci Gazo, stradajo Američani Sirijo. Američani naj se umaknejo iz držav, kjer niso zaželjeni, pa jih ne bo nihče napadal.
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1...
Biden admin has bombed Syria in response, it says, to attacks on US forces.
What Biden or US media won't explain is why US forces are really in Syria -- even though a senior US official has done so very clearly.
According to the Pentagon's Dana Stroul, the US military is there so that the US can "own" Syria’s "resource-rich" northeast -- where the oil and wheat is -- to give the US "leverage" over Syria's political future, i.e. regime change.
This is why Biden has put US troops in harm's way in Syria, and this is why he's bombing it.
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papasmrk ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
hehe, spet vidim to cudno slepoto... kaj US sploh dela v Iraku in Siriji in kdo se brani, kdo pa je konec koncev okupator?
Kaj iranci delajo v Jemnu, kaj iranci delajo v Siriji in Iraku, kaj rusi počnejo v Ukrajini, itd... Verjetno vsi branijo neke svoje interese.
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Rambutan ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
hehe, spet vidim to cudno slepoto... kaj US sploh dela v Iraku in Siriji in kdo se brani, kdo pa je konec koncev okupator?
Kaj iranci delajo v Jemnu, kaj iranci delajo v Siriji in Iraku, kaj rusi počnejo v Ukrajini, itd... Verjetno vsi branijo neke svoje interese.
Sicer je to whataboutism, so pa očitne razlike:
Sirija in Iran sta zaveznika, Iran je tam na povabilo Sirije. Enako je v Iraku.
Samo ZDA ilegalno zasedajo v nasprotju z voljo Sirije in imajo vojaške baze v Iraku, kjer jih nočejo imeti.
Iran%E2%80%93Syria relations @ Wikipedia
Unilseptij ::
No, Iran nima svoje vojske ne v Jemnu in ne v Iraku. Rusi so v Ukrajini, ker je tam pač veliko Rusov... ne vem, vsak ima boljši razlog kot ZDA, ki je pač tam zato, da ........ vstavi po želji (varuje mir/ščiti civiliste/nudi humanitarno pomoč/krade, pobija in okupira na tujem ozemlju).
Lesoto ::
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/174...
The terrorist group ISIS has claimed responsibility for yesterday's attack near Suleimani's tomb in the Iranian city of Kerman
The terrorists claim that two of their supporters blew themselves up in the crowd. According to the Iranian authorities, 84 people were killed and 284 injured.
Earlier, the Iranian authorities predictably blamed Israel for the terrorist attack and promised revenge.
The terrorist group ISIS has claimed responsibility for yesterday's attack near Suleimani's tomb in the Iranian city of Kerman
The terrorists claim that two of their supporters blew themselves up in the crowd. According to the Iranian authorities, 84 people were killed and 284 injured.
Earlier, the Iranian authorities predictably blamed Israel for the terrorist attack and promised revenge.
Rambutan ::
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/174...
The terrorist group ISIS has claimed responsibility for yesterday's attack near Suleimani's tomb in the Iranian city of Kerman
The terrorists claim that two of their supporters blew themselves up in the crowd. According to the Iranian authorities, 84 people were killed and 284 injured.
Earlier, the Iranian authorities predictably blamed Israel for the terrorist attack and promised revenge.
Smo že zgoraj omenili, da je ISIS izraelski podizvajalec, če sploh drži, da je napad izvedel ISIS. Če pogledaš motive, se mi najverjetnej zdi, da Izrael in ZDA hočeta sprovocirati Iran, da jim bo dal povod za napad na Iran.
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t543795/p811...
papasmrk ::
V Rambutanovem svetu je vse zelo enostavno. Če se musliči udarijo znotraj svoje države potem zagotovo eno od strani podpira Izrael.
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Fritz ::
Islamska država je prevzela odgovornost za teroristični napad v Iranu:
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Rambutan ::
V vašem svetu je tudi vse enostavno. Ignorira se 70 let izraelskega nasilja in kraje ozemlja Palestincem. Upoštevajo se samo dogodki od 7.oktobra, Izrael ima pravico ubiti 20.000 civilistov in poškodovati ali porušiti 70% stavb v Gazi in stradati Palestince.
Američani kljub vojnam, ki so jih začeli v Vietnamu, Iraku, Afganistanu, Siriji, Libiji in več miljonov žrtah niso nikoli nič krivi in zmeraj na pravi strani. Za sabo pa zmeraj puščajo razdejane države.
https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports...
Američani kljub vojnam, ki so jih začeli v Vietnamu, Iraku, Afganistanu, Siriji, Libiji in več miljonov žrtah niso nikoli nič krivi in zmeraj na pravi strani. Za sabo pa zmeraj puščajo razdejane države.
https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports...
fur80 ::
V vašem svetu je tudi vse enostavno. Ignorira se 70 let izraelskega nasilja in kraje ozemlja Palestincem. Upoštevajo se samo dogodki od 7.oktobra, Izrael ima pravico ubiti 20.000 civilistov in poškodovati ali porušiti 70% stavb v Gazi in stradati Palestince.
Američani kljub vojnam, ki so jih začeli v Vietnamu, Iraku, Afganistanu, Siriji, Libiji in več miljonov žrtah niso nikoli nič krivi in zmeraj na pravi strani. Za sabo pa zmeraj puščajo razdejane države.
https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports...
Sedaj pa to malo razloži. Najprej več miljonov žrtev! Bomo računali ti pa podaj podatke! Tudi o začetku malo povej kako pa kaj so USA začeli. Npr. kako se je začelo v Iraku. Npr. mrtvih Palestincev v več kot 70 letih ni več kot 100 000. Npr. koliko jih je umrlo v Bosni?
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Rambutan ::
V vašem svetu je tudi vse enostavno. Ignorira se 70 let izraelskega nasilja in kraje ozemlja Palestincem. Upoštevajo se samo dogodki od 7.oktobra, Izrael ima pravico ubiti 20.000 civilistov in poškodovati ali porušiti 70% stavb v Gazi in stradati Palestince.
Američani kljub vojnam, ki so jih začeli v Vietnamu, Iraku, Afganistanu, Siriji, Libiji in več miljonov žrtah niso nikoli nič krivi in zmeraj na pravi strani. Za sabo pa zmeraj puščajo razdejane države.
https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports...
Sedaj pa to malo razloži. Najprej več miljonov žrtev! Bomo računali ti pa podaj podatke! Tudi o začetku malo povej kako pa kaj so USA začeli. Npr. kako se je začelo v Iraku.
Na linku imaš za vsako vojno navedene vire. Če hočeš dokazat, da kaj ne drži, kar izvoli.
fur80 ::
V vašem svetu je tudi vse enostavno. Ignorira se 70 let izraelskega nasilja in kraje ozemlja Palestincem. Upoštevajo se samo dogodki od 7.oktobra, Izrael ima pravico ubiti 20.000 civilistov in poškodovati ali porušiti 70% stavb v Gazi in stradati Palestince.
Američani kljub vojnam, ki so jih začeli v Vietnamu, Iraku, Afganistanu, Siriji, Libiji in več miljonov žrtah niso nikoli nič krivi in zmeraj na pravi strani. Za sabo pa zmeraj puščajo razdejane države.
https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports...
Sedaj pa to malo razloži. Najprej več miljonov žrtev! Bomo računali ti pa podaj podatke! Tudi o začetku malo povej kako pa kaj so USA začeli. Npr. kako se je začelo v Iraku.
Na linku imaš za vsako vojno navedene vire. Če hočeš dokazat, da kaj ne drži, kar izvoli.
POzabil si še Kambodžo in pa Ruando, ter kako je USA kriva za miljone mrtvih otrok v Afriki!
Na tvojem linku, med S Korejo in Južno. Kriva pa USA za vsako žrtev. Saj bolj omejen ne moreš biti!
On the ground, it was a war of attrition where China nearly won the war for the North in 1951 by forcing a retreat of UN forces. Yet the war in the sky was a different story.
AMERICA'S WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST - 4 MILLION OR MORE DEAD
Maš prešteto koliko mrtvih je bilo posledica USA, ne bom ti iskal, ker pišeš in linkaš neumnosti!
Koliko ljudi sta medtem pobila doma Stalin in Mao?!
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Fritz ::
Koliko ljudi sta medtem pobila doma Stalin in Mao?!
Niti približno toliko kot ti misliš. Množične lakote so bile v Rusiji in na Kitajskem reden pojav dokler jih komunistični režimi niso odpravili.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
fur80 ::
Tukaj si lahko Rambutan prebreš o smrtih v Iraku in ranjenih. Tudi o naravnih smrtih. Ter najdi kje je tukaj 500 000 mrtvih otrok:
Casualties of the Iraq War @ Wikipedia
vir. google
In 2003, British historian Simon Sebag Montefiore suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.
Casualties of the Iraq War @ Wikipedia
Koliko ljudi sta medtem pobila doma Stalin in Mao?!
Niti približno toliko kot ti misliš. Množične lakote so bile v Rusiji in na Kitajskem reden pojav dokler jih komunistični režimi niso odpravili.
vir. google
In 2003, British historian Simon Sebag Montefiore suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.
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kunigunda ::
Tud iran je reku da tega ne bo vec gledal. Prvo vojaska ladja je ze v rdecm morju, druge so na poti.
Tud putin je reku da tega pocas ne bo vec gledal. Pocasi fila silose s "prvic" interkontinentalnimi raketami, ki lohk nosijo par nuklearnih glav.
Kitajci so tudi namesto US v vlogi mirovnika na bliznjem vzhodu.
Super se kuha.
Iran lahko samo upa, da potegne celo glavo tukaj ven. So rekli, da se bodo maščevali za smrt ljud. Me zanima, kje in kako ter komu. Kake iranske ladje, tiste, ki tam plavajo so že vse na nišanu.
Sploh ni point v posamezni drzavi, tko da je bolj za upati, da mi potegnemo celo glavo ven :)
Sicer pa irana ni za podcenjevati. Se zmeraj je #1 kar se tice balistike na bliznjem vzhodu, ker ce se bodo pocili, se bodo najprej z raketami.
Za izraelska letala je trenutno zarad zamrznitve SA pogajanj prevelika logistika.
Rambutan ::
Še par naslovnic na temo sodelovanja Izraela in ISISa.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDBRwBfXsAA...
https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israel...
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/new-u...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief...
https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/un-repor...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-i-...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDBRwBfXsAA...
https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israel...
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/new-u...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief...
https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/un-repor...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-i-...
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IgorCardanof ::
Tako se pokažejo potem, ter kje so.
#Photo: Shocking: Senior Qhamas officials Musa Abu Marzouk and Fathi Hamad spotted at Al-Arouri's funeral in Beirut.
Both on top of Israel's target list.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/174...
Zanimivo, da Izrael ni usekal s kako raketo še na tem pogrebu. Tu je zagotovo kar mrgolelo visokih tarč. Očitno se le držijo nazaj in ne udrihajo kar vsepovprek, kot nekateri želijo predstaviti.
Sicer pa, ali je boljše, da se enkrat za vselej reši vprašanje bližnjega vzhoda? Radikalni islam je potrebno izrebit, prej gotovo ne bo miru.
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papasmrk ::
Pomoje je problem v sami osnovi islama, ki je za nas zahodnjake radikalna. Še Erdo ima probleme s prikazom sebe kot nekega zmernega islamista. Islam je več kot samo vera v alaha. Je cel kup enih pravil od tega kako vodit kalifat, kdaj je potrebo glavo odrezat, kdaj samo noge, kako si je potrebno s kamni rit obrisat, itd...
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Tidule ::
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/174...
The terrorist group ISIS has claimed responsibility for yesterday's attack near Suleimani's tomb in the Iranian city of Kerman
The terrorists claim that two of their supporters blew themselves up in the crowd. According to the Iranian authorities, 84 people were killed and 284 injured.
Earlier, the Iranian authorities predictably blamed Israel for the terrorist attack and promised revenge.
Spet pravljice prodajas. Iranske oblast niti v eni tocki niso obtozile Izrael za napad. Se vec v vcerajsnji iuradbi izjavi za javnost je bilo jasno povedano da gere za teroristicni napad in da se ne vedo kdo je za njim. Ampak ja, ce rabis X da ti servira informacije, namesto primarnih virov, potem si kjer si.
Gambino ::
Unilseptij je izjavil:
Kako pa je potem Hamas nabral vec tisoc raket, ki jih je oktobra poslal nad Izrael?
In to v Gazi, ki je popolnoma zaprta, v primerjavi z Libanonom.
Iz vodovodnih cevi, ki jih je naivni zahodni svet dal za žejne in lačne Palestince.
Če verjameš pravljicam!
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49106 ::
Pravljicam Hamasa?
The Palestinian group Hamas published footage showing the complete process of making rockets from water pipes. The footage shows how water pipes are dug out of the ground, after which they are cut into pieces, processed and cleaned in artisanal workshops. Warheads containing explosives are then attached to them. Thus, with virtually no industrial capacity necessary for the production of weapons, Hamas successfully produces a significant number of rockets.
The Palestinian group Hamas published footage showing the complete process of making rockets from water pipes. The footage shows how water pipes are dug out of the ground, after which they are cut into pieces, processed and cleaned in artisanal workshops. Warheads containing explosives are then attached to them. Thus, with virtually no industrial capacity necessary for the production of weapons, Hamas successfully produces a significant number of rockets.