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Iran - odštevanje
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Smrekar1 ::
Če bi eskaliral iz kakšnih drugih razlogov, te verjetno ne bi skrbelo?
Hm, vidim napačo ja. Bom poskusil napisati slovnično lepše:
Moja največja skrb je, da bo Trump eskaliral, da si izboljša možnosti ponovne izvolitve.
Boljše?
Ker je napad na Iran itak utemeljen, a ni tako?
ISIS = Iran, samo slednji so malo bolj diskretni
Smrekar1 ::
Tilen ::
U.S. drone shot down by Iranian missile in international airspace: U.S. source
TEHRAN (FNA)- A US-made Global Hawk spy drone was shot down
The official said the drone was a U.S. Navy MQ-4C Triton. No further details were immediately available, including the time of the shoot-down.
TEHRAN (FNA)- A US-made Global Hawk spy drone was shot down
IRGC said that the drone was in Iranian air space, while the US official told Reuters it was in international airspace.
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J.McLane ::
Lahko sta obe izjavi pravilni
- razstreljen je bil v mednarodnem območju
- letel je po Iranskem območju
- razstreljen je bil v mednarodnem območju
- letel je po Iranskem območju
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
imagodei ::
Itak, da je napad na Iran utemeljen. Že štiri desetletja je tako.
Zagotovo si že, ampak, daj pls povzemi, kakšna so merila za napad na Iran?
- Hoc est qui sumus -
Smrekar1 ::
Zagotovo si že, ampak, daj pls povzemi, kakšna so merila za napad na Iran?
Približno taka, kot za napad na katerokoli državo.
Teh je precej, konkretno Iran dela sledeče:
1. Obljublja uničenje druge države, brez da bi za to imel karkoli, kar bi spominjalo na utemeljen razlog.
2. Krši bistvene mednarodne pogovore, ki ga zavezujejo k neposedovanju določenega orožja (NNPT).
3. Podpira mednarodni terorizem.
Zaradi te kombinacije razlogov je napad na Iran utemeljen. To ne pomeni, da je priporočljiv, ampak utemeljen in pravičen vsekakor je.
Smrekar1 ::
Poldi112 ::
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Mr.B ::
Smrekiju nastaviš ogledalo, pa noče niti enega komentirat...
US was prepared to slap financial sanctions and criminal charges on officials of the court if they proceed against any Americans.
because God commanded the Israelites to slaughter those people groups-men, women, children, infants, and animals.
Dwight D. Eisenhower > Quotes > Quotable Quote
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3237-i...
US was prepared to slap financial sanctions and criminal charges on officials of the court if they proceed against any Americans.
Executive Order on Revocation of Reporting Requirement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...
because God commanded the Israelites to slaughter those people groups-men, women, children, infants, and animals.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Leif ::
Itak, da je napad na Iran utemeljen. Že štiri desetletja je tako.
Zagotovo si že, ampak, daj pls povzemi, kakšna so merila za napad na Iran?
Merilo je predvsem rešitev največjega zaveznika na bližnjem vzhodu z dvigom cen nafte. Pri trenutnih cenah nafte se Savdski fundametalistični sistem ne more obdržati na dolgi rok.
Truga ::
hm, mogoc pa ne :D
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/11...
mislm da si bolton ni cist predstavlu kok len je trump, ko se je prjavu na tole
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/11...
mislm da si bolton ni cist predstavlu kok len je trump, ko se je prjavu na tole
vostok_1 ::
its shit like this that makes trump a safer bet than nearly every democrat
Best comment. In se strinjam.
Trump will dumb himself out of starting a war.
Pri Bushu je bilo obratno.
Obama in podobni pa so načrtno začenjali vojne.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
Fritz ::
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
xxxul ::
da, tko kot vsi demokrati do zdej;
ker ce mislis da bi sanders zmagu na volitvah in bi meu pol čisto proste roke za svoje reforme, mam en most voška zate, zelo poceni.
ker ce mislis da bi sanders zmagu na volitvah in bi meu pol čisto proste roke za svoje reforme, mam en most voška zate, zelo poceni.
vostok_1 ::
Sanders je itak talking head.
V študentskih časih so ga zmetali vn iz anarho-komunističnih komun, ker je zgolj govoril in nič delal.
Da bi sedaj na stara leta kaj drugače...i fucking doubt it.
And besides, je zgolj en prdec stran od groba, tko da...
Fun times.
V študentskih časih so ga zmetali vn iz anarho-komunističnih komun, ker je zgolj govoril in nič delal.
Da bi sedaj na stara leta kaj drugače...i fucking doubt it.
And besides, je zgolj en prdec stran od groba, tko da...
Fun times.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
joze67 ::
Misliš, da bi president Sanders rinil v vojne?
Mogoče ne bi, če bi zmagal iz prve, ko je bil še "svež" in "presenečenje". Sedaj mora obljubljati veliko več in kazati, da je "oster" in "odgovoren" in "resen" in konec koncev če so vojne ustrezne za nobelovega nagrajenca za mir, zakaj ne bi bile za dolgoletnega kongresnika in senatorja iz Vermonta (to navajam, ker mnogi dejansko verjamejo, da gre - za razliko od drugih - za človeka iz in za množice).
vostok_1 ::
Berni je del elitistične židovske diaspore 20. st. Ni to človek iz množice, to bi moralo biti jasno.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
Fritz ::
Bernie ima 40 let zgodovine nasprotovanja vojnam in če bi hotel izvajati kakšne bolj širokopotezne socialne politike, bi najlažje prihranil pri izdatkih namenjenih vojnam.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
vostok_1 ::
Ne delaj si utvar.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
xxxul ::
Bernie ima 40 let zgodovine nasprotovanja vojnam in če bi hotel izvajati kakšne bolj širokopotezne socialne politike, bi najlažje prihranil pri izdatkih namenjenih vojnam.
to mogoče drži, ampak kandidira lahko samo z demokrati, ti imajo pa svojo zgodovino.
in ko v zda enkrat kandidiraš po okriljem ene od velkih dveh strank, to za sabo prinese obveze, ki se začnejo že pri sestavi kabineta, za vse večje odločitve potrebuješ podporo stranke v kongresu in senatu, etc.
kaj vse misliš da bi požru da bi spravu svoje programe čez?
r3dkv1c4 ::
Zagotovo si že, ampak, daj pls povzemi, kakšna so merila za napad na Iran?
Približno taka, kot za napad na katerokoli državo.
Teh je precej, konkretno Iran dela sledeče:
1. Obljublja uničenje druge države, brez da bi za to imel karkoli, kar bi spominjalo na utemeljen razlog.
2. Krši bistvene mednarodne pogovore, ki ga zavezujejo k neposedovanju določenega orožja (NNPT).
3. Podpira mednarodni terorizem.
Zaradi te kombinacije razlogov je napad na Iran utemeljen. To ne pomeni, da je priporočljiv, ampak utemeljen in pravičen vsekakor je.
Dokaz zato je klobasa, ki si jo podelal po jutranji kavi, al kako?
Ameriška demokracija ti je sprala možgane.
Vsaka stvar ima svojo mejo.
You can ban me, but you can't shut me down!
You can ban me, but you can't shut me down!
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Poldi112 ::
Sanders je itak talking head.
V študentskih časih so ga zmetali vn iz anarho-komunističnih komun, ker je zgolj govoril in nič delal.
Da bi sedaj na stara leta kaj drugače...i fucking doubt it.
And besides, je zgolj en prdec stran od groba, tko da...
Fun times.
Kolega, niso vsi taki kot ti, da ne bi bili sposobni v google vnesti "Sanders achievements".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
Fuck fuck fuck.
Mr. Stable Genius je dal ukaz za napad in se nato premislil, tam ob enih zjutraj po našem času. Ostane samo upanje, da bo Islamska republika Iran odgovorna stranka tega konflikta, ki bo šla v smeri de-eskalacije.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl...
President Trump approved military strikes against Iran in retaliation for downing an American surveillance drone, but pulled back from launching them on Thursday night after a day of escalating tensions.
As late as 7 p.m., military and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike, after intense discussions and debate at the White House among the president’s top national security officials and congressional leaders, according to multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations.
Officials said the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries.
The operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off, a senior administration official said. Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, the official said.
...
The strike was set to take place just before dawn Friday in Iran to minimize risk to the Iranian military and civilians.
But military officials received word a short time later that the strike was off, at least temporarily.
...
Mr. Trump’s national security advisers split about whether to respond militarily. Senior administration officials said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; John R. Bolton, the national security adviser; and Gina Haspel, the C.I.A. director, had favored a military response. But top Pentagon officials cautioned that such an action could result in a spiraling escalation with risks for American forces in the region.
Mr. Stable Genius je dal ukaz za napad in se nato premislil, tam ob enih zjutraj po našem času. Ostane samo upanje, da bo Islamska republika Iran odgovorna stranka tega konflikta, ki bo šla v smeri de-eskalacije.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl...
President Trump approved military strikes against Iran in retaliation for downing an American surveillance drone, but pulled back from launching them on Thursday night after a day of escalating tensions.
As late as 7 p.m., military and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike, after intense discussions and debate at the White House among the president’s top national security officials and congressional leaders, according to multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations.
Officials said the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries.
The operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off, a senior administration official said. Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, the official said.
...
The strike was set to take place just before dawn Friday in Iran to minimize risk to the Iranian military and civilians.
But military officials received word a short time later that the strike was off, at least temporarily.
...
Mr. Trump’s national security advisers split about whether to respond militarily. Senior administration officials said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; John R. Bolton, the national security adviser; and Gina Haspel, the C.I.A. director, had favored a military response. But top Pentagon officials cautioned that such an action could result in a spiraling escalation with risks for American forces in the region.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Smrekar1 ::
Fuck fuck fuck.
Mr. Stable Genius je dal ukaz za napad in se nato premislil, tam ob enih zjutraj po našem času. Ostane samo upanje, da bo Islamska republika Iran odgovorna stranka tega konflikta, ki bo šla v smeri de-eskalacije.
Optimist. Gre za podobno zgodbo kot pri Iraku (ali Černobilu): percepcija šibkosti je smrt za vladajočo kliko.
Mr.B ::
Fuck fuck fuck.
Mr. Stable Genius je dal ukaz za napad in se nato premislil, tam ob enih zjutraj po našem času. Ostane samo upanje, da bo Islamska republika Iran odgovorna stranka tega konflikta, ki bo šla v smeri de-eskalacije.
Optimist. Gre za podobno zgodbo kot pri Iraku (ali Černobilu): percepcija šibkosti je smrt za vladajočo kliko.
Ja samo tvoji so bolüi..
Dwight D. Eisenhower > Quotes > Quotable Quote
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3237-i...
US was prepared to slap financial sanctions and criminal charges on officials of the court if they proceed against any Americans.
Executive Order on Revocation of Reporting Requirement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...
because God commanded the Israelites to slaughter those people groups–men, women, children, infants, and animals.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Miki N ::
Naj bi naj bi... definitivno je včeraj zelo deeskaliral konflikt. To je dobro. Nekateri seveda tega nikoli ne bodo priznali, ne zmorejo. Ne smejo.
maco-maco ::
Najbrž je bilo nekaj takega:
My yuge amazing drone.
Stupid pigs will pay for this, believe me.
Melania, give me coordinates of that shithole; Iran or something.
Here Donald, 46.115759,14.6200180. Press that button with your huge hands.
Great.
Mr. president, the coordinates.....
Oh, we will make America great again tomorrow.
Kaj?
ziga1990 ::
nevem kaj se Trump gre ampak sumim, da hoče sprovocirat Iran, da naredi napačno potezo, da lahko potem Američani jokajo Iran je začel in dobijo mednarodno podporo.
https://www.24ur.com/novice/svet/trump-...
https://www.24ur.com/novice/svet/trump-...
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Smrekar1 ::
nevem kaj se Trump gre ampak sumim, da hoče sprovocirat Iran, da naredi napačno potezo, da lahko potem Američani jokajo Iran je začel in dobijo mednarodno podporo.
https://www.24ur.com/novice/svet/trump-...
Preveč planiranja za Trumpa.
Odločil se je, da je Iran treba kaznovati in si v zadnjem trenutku premislil.
maco-maco ::
Sedaj pravijo, da naj bi poklical Trump warned Iran via Oman that U.S. attack was imminent, called for talks - Iranian officials
Kaj?
perci ::
Pri Trumpu se ob njegovih potezah dostikrat vprašam ali je res popoln imbecil ali pa je zadaj nek izjemno hud master plan, ki ga nihče ne razume.
Smrekar1 ::
Genetic ::
Eh, Iranci so mu pač črno na belem pokazali, da je bil dron v času sestrelitve dejansko v iranskem zračnem prostoru in ne v mednarodnem.
perci ::
Seveda. Tudi ameriške kopenske sile imajo dovoljenje za izkrcanje na iranski obali. Dovoljenje jim podpiše sam Trump.
windigo ::
Ameriški airlinerji imajo, iranski nimajo, kot kaže sestrelitev leta Iran Air 655 pred 31. leti.
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maco-maco ::
Sedaj bodo pa očitno tekmovali, kdo je večji filantrop.
Iran-US tensions escalate after drone downed
Niso sklatli avijona s 35imi ljudmi, oni pa niso napadli, ker bi bilo ubitih 150.
Super ste, hvala vam.
Iran-US tensions escalate after drone downed
Niso sklatli avijona s 35imi ljudmi, oni pa niso napadli, ker bi bilo ubitih 150.
Super ste, hvala vam.
Kaj?
korenje3 ::
Fuck fuck fuck.
Mr. Stable Genius je dal ukaz za napad in se nato premislil, tam ob enih zjutraj po našem času. Ostane samo upanje, da bo Islamska republika Iran odgovorna stranka tega konflikta, ki bo šla v smeri de-eskalacije.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl...
President Trump approved military strikes against Iran in retaliation for downing an American surveillance drone, but pulled back from launching them on Thursday night after a day of escalating tensions.
As late as 7 p.m., military and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike, after intense discussions and debate at the White House among the president’s top national security officials and congressional leaders, according to multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations.
Officials said the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries.
The operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off, a senior administration official said. Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, the official said.
...
The strike was set to take place just before dawn Friday in Iran to minimize risk to the Iranian military and civilians.
But military officials received word a short time later that the strike was off, at least temporarily.
...
Mr. Trump’s national security advisers split about whether to respond militarily. Senior administration officials said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; John R. Bolton, the national security adviser; and Gina Haspel, the C.I.A. director, had favored a military response. But top Pentagon officials cautioned that such an action could result in a spiraling escalation with risks for American forces in the region.
ti pa si malo zmeden... tukaj samo zda eskalira s poskusi podtikanja. sedaj pa celo z inkurzijami v iran.
Eh, Iranci so mu pač črno na belem pokazali, da je bil dron v času sestrelitve dejansko v iranskem zračnem prostoru in ne v mednarodnem.
v bistvu je čisto vseeno. zda so sestrelile iranski dron na sirijo.
to je samo povračilo.
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Fritz ::
V Trumpotovem stilu:
Vsakdo lahko ukaže napad na Iran a le pravi car ga lahko prekliče, ko je že v teku
Za nameček so še zaostrili ekonomsko vojno (sankcije) proti Iranu. Ta bo seveda odgovoril na njim ustrezen način. Vse je pripravljeno, dobrodošli v naslednjo vojno ZDA.
Vsakdo lahko ukaže napad na Iran a le pravi car ga lahko prekliče, ko je že v teku
Za nameček so še zaostrili ekonomsko vojno (sankcije) proti Iranu. Ta bo seveda odgovoril na njim ustrezen način. Vse je pripravljeno, dobrodošli v naslednjo vojno ZDA.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
vostok_1 ::
Kakšne so šanse, da bo zgolj vojna ZDA in ne še vseh ostalih. To je v resnici vprašanje.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21
xxxul ::
Izrael je "zaskrbljen"
https://www.jns.org/report-israeli-offi...
Bolton gre jutr v Izrael. Stara garda ma še vedno zobe...
https://www.jns.org/report-israeli-offi...
Bolton gre jutr v Izrael. Stara garda ma še vedno zobe...
Poldi112 ::
Zanemarljive? Iran bo itak šel tudi na USA zaveznike v regiji, če se USA spravi nanj. Plus da rusi in kitajci ne bodo dovolili, da Iran postane še ena USA kolonija.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
nsa_ag3nt ::
ZDA/ Iran sta v pat poziciji, če se ohranja status quo je to za Iran pot v pogubo (ekonomske sankcije).
Razen če Kitajci (in še kdo od velikih) odločijo ignorirati zda sankcije.Eu je kot ponavadi odpovedala na celi črti.
Od konca ww2 ZDA ni uspela dobiti nobene vojne (Koreja, Kuba, Vietnam, Afganistan, Irak, Libija, Sirija).
Razen da jim je uspelo zbombardirati s kasetnimi bombami Laos, kar še danes velja za rekord med državami (2 milijona ton bomb).
Se popravljam, prinesli so "demokracijo" v Haiti, Grenado in Panamo.
Razen če Kitajci (in še kdo od velikih) odločijo ignorirati zda sankcije.Eu je kot ponavadi odpovedala na celi črti.
Od konca ww2 ZDA ni uspela dobiti nobene vojne (Koreja, Kuba, Vietnam, Afganistan, Irak, Libija, Sirija).
Razen da jim je uspelo zbombardirati s kasetnimi bombami Laos, kar še danes velja za rekord med državami (2 milijona ton bomb).
Se popravljam, prinesli so "demokracijo" v Haiti, Grenado in Panamo.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five
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