kateri 24" monitor kupiti

MVA je. Ze povedano nekajkrat.

Ekola, sem se jo že navadil malo.....
Preseneča me da že dva monitorja nista imela niti enega dead pixla....

Jaz sem dobil zelo ugodno ceno.... Bolj kot v comtronu

Jux comshop... v MB v centru jo imajo razstavljeno... za druge stacune nebi vedo

kaka pa je

No takole... Benq FP241VW me že čaka doma. Slike in prvi vtisi sledijo takoj ko pridem iz službe.

A bodo 24tke brez tft matrike(torej dobri vidni koti) cez 3 leta 200evrov? dobro so ze vecji monitorji, kaj mislite nasploh glede prihodnosti, predvsem glede cen in velikosti pri nas. ali bodo bolj tft vecji monitorji pač tok pocen kot 24tke danes?

Zgodovina nas uci, da bodo 24" nekoc cisto poceni. Gre pa nekako takole, da se prodaja tisto kar se kupuje (forsira z marketingom). Cena dolocena produkta gre tako nizko, da je se profit, nato se ga umakne iz prodaje in nadomesti z boljsim modelom. Ta meja je danes pri monitorjih okoli 200€. Pod to mejo bos tezko nasel nove monitorje. So bili pred leti zelo dragi 15", 17" in 19" LCD-ji. Danes so na teh mestih samo druge stevilke 22", 24"... Enako je bilo z CRT monitorji.

Za normalnega uporabnika sploh ne vem kje bi bila prava meja. Se mi zdi da res kaj vecjega od 22 ali 24" je cisto pretiravanje.

Sam imam se vedno 21" CRT in 19" LCD, ki sta po velikosti slike skoraj enaka. Pred leti so 21" CRT-je uporabljali res samo profesionalci in temu so bile primerne tudi cene.

24" je danes neka prava meja, saj omogoca pravo HD izkusnjo, ce ze gledas filme preko racunalnika. Ce imas dober TV in racunalnik samo za internet, office in podobno... je ze 19" vrh glave.

Osebno pa cakam na kaksne dobre in poceni 27".

lp

Novita 2406WD zmontirana
čez DVI je slika kot v navadi pribita
vidni koti so super
mogoče mal povprečna homogenost osvetljevanja
backlight bleeding precej manjši od pričakovanega
plastika je precej... kitajsko bedna
podnožje komaj zadosti svojemu imenu (nagib nazaj naprej in basta
zvočniki so tolk kvalitetni da so boljš kot dobri stari speaker
tista kristalna zrnatost ki nas nekatere zelo moti je komaj opazna (tega ne znam razložit)
Input lag in odzivnost boste pa še mal počakal a velja:)

P.S.: NEC 17colar star 4 leta je težji od tega monitorja!

neke dolgoživosti nikakor ne pričakujem, čeprav dobiš klasična 3 leta garancije

manjših slik ne moreš dat ?

@djdare: lahko sprobaš vidni kot, ko maš eno temnejše oz črno ozadje. Sicer zgleda kar solidno za tn matriko...

kok si plačal

Oba omenjena monitorja sta izredno popularna, benqa sem videl prejšnji teden in mi je kar všeč..

Tudi sam kupujem monitor pa se za 24" nikakor ne morem odločit, malo razmišljam tudi o skoku kar na 30".

Če bi kupoval 24" me najbol vleče 2407WFP-HC tudi 2408WFP-HC je že pri nas, pa imata bojda preveč problemov.

Pri 30" pa LP3065,.. 3007WFP-HC je cena preveč vesolska.

Če kopuješ 24 vzami novito za kaj več pa kakšnega HP, čeprav je zame 24 zogrnja meja, na 30 nisem moral delati..... Že na 24 mi je skoraj preveleiko.... Moram pa reci da je 27 nekakšna optimalna velikost

A ni 2408 model brez HC-ja? Ker kakor sem nekje zasledil so imeli 2407wfp-hc težave ravno zaradi te dodatne tehnologije...HC-loss model baje ni imel težav z ghostingom...

Bratu kupil NOVITA 2406WD... Top zaslon za to ceno... Mogoče je neenakomernost zaslona malo preveč opazna, je pa res da sem znan kot najbolj tečen glede kakovosti slike.

Skratka:
+ najcenejša PVA/MVA matrika
+ neprimerno boljši od po ceni primerljivega 22" z TN matriko po kakovosti barv
+ dobre barve in kontrast
+ ghosting v igrah ni problematičen, samo ne pozabit vklopit VSYNC
+ light bleedinga je malo opazen

- vigivagi nenastavljivo ohišje. Samo nenastavljivost še preživim, ampak podstavek res ni primeren za tako velik in težak monitor (če ruknem mizo, se zaslon preveč trese)
- Ne najbolj enakomerne barve, ob levem in desnem robu na črnem ozadju je mogoče opaziti rdečkaste lise (remember, sem fuuuul občutljiv uporabnik, ki je do sedaj uporabljal izključno SIPS/AS-SIPS matrike)

Vprašanje - kaj so za vas optimalne nastavitve zaslona (color temp / po barvnih kanalih / brightness + contrast)?

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There are three basic types of panels for LCD monitors, TN, VA, and IPS.
Of all three only VA and IPS panels can be acceptable for photography.

There are very few panel manufacturers and most monitors share the same panel with many other models.

The top players for LCD panels are, Samsung, LG.Philips, AUO, and also with a smaller share, Mitsubishi, Hitatchi, Sharp, and NEC.

Top of the line monitors like EIZO CG19, CG21, CG210, CG220, NEC spectraview 1980, 1990, 2180, 2190, Quato Inteliproof 190, 210, 230, LaCie 319, 321, use high quality IPS panels from Mitsubishi, Hitatchi or NEC.

High quality monitors like EIZO L778, L768, L887, S1910, S1931 S2100, NEC 1980FXi 1990SXi, 2180UXi, 2190UXi, Samsung 970P, 971P, share VA or IPS panels from Samsung, LG.Philips, Hitatchi, NEC or Sharp.

Most of the times you will find monitors that cost even half the price of an EIZO or a NEC that shares the same panel.

The secret here is the electronics, the software and the way the backlight works
as well as the quality control.

Most low budget monitors fall short in the following departments:
1)Viewing angles, anything below 170 degrees both horizontal and vertical is not acceptable for serious photo editing.
2)Shaddow detail or deep blacks. Most monitors cannot display deep blacks and some that can, loose in shaddow detail.
3)Brightness levels too high for photo editing.
People that work in very bright rooms need the extra brightness most monitors today can offer, but for critical photo editing we should be working in low light environment and the ideal LCD monitor brightness should be well below the 120-140 candelas that is generaly accepted as "normal".
4)Color shifts when viewed at an angle.
Even some good monitors suffer from color shifts when viewed at an angle even if their viewing angle measurments are above 170.
5)Light uniformity and light leakage.
6)Bad pixels. Although even good monitors can have bad pixels usualy the quality control is tighter on the higher level monitors.
7)Color gammut. This should be higher in the list but unless you get a monitor with TN panel and 6bit color the problem will not be that big.
Stick to IPS or VA panels with more than 16milion colors and it will not be your biggest problem.

There are at least three technical specifications that you should never look at.
Contrast ratio, responce times, and latency.
None of them is important or relevant to the qualities of a monitor for photo editing.

There is at least one technical specification that what is good for most is not good at all for photo editing and that is brightness.
High numbers most of the times, equal trouble.

This was the introduction to LCD monitors I'll get back to it tomorrow since it's 05:10 in the morning here and it's time for me to sleep.



Let's talk about recommendations now.

Top of the line monitors:

1)EIZO CG220, EIZO CG221, NEC Spectraview Reference21, NEC Spectraview 2180WG LED, QUATO Inteliproof 230, and QUATO Intelliproof 213, are the top of the tops.
The cost of these monitors is prohibiting for most of us but if you want the Rolls Rouce of monitors these are the ones.
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/i...
http://www.quato.de/english/index.html
http://www.nec-display-solutions.com/sp...

DDC hardware calibration for all of them ensures the best possible calibration.

If you shoot with a large format camera and a scanning back or a medium format camera with one of the latest 39MP backs from Phase One, Haselblad, Sinar, etc
You should seriously think about these monitors.

2)Not far behind in performance you can get the EIZO CG210, EIZO CG211, EIZO CG19, QUATO Intelliproof 201, 190
You can call these the Mercedes S-Class of monitors.

These monitors are also DDC Hardware calibrated for absolut performance.

A Perfect companion if you are a commercial, fashion, or just perfectionist photographer and shoot with a medium format camera and a digital back or one of the best full frame DSLRs and only the best lenses available.

3)Again not far behind you can find a bunch of very good monitors like the LaCie321, 320, 319, NEC Spectraview 2190, 2180, 2090, 2080, 1990, 1980, EIZO L797, L997, CE210W, CE240W, QUATO intellicolor 190, 201, 213.

Some of them also support DDC hardware calibration for maximum performance but even with simple hardware calibration the perfornance is going to be tops.

These are the monitors to look for if you are serious about color but don't want to break the bank.

They are not cheap but then, is your 70-200IS cheap? or your 85 f1.2?

I'm sure that you don't shoot with a 20D or a D70 either and all your lenses are f2.8 or less.

4)One step down in performance but still very good monitors are the EIZO L578, S1721, S1910, S1931, L778, L788, L887, S2000, S2100, S2110, S2410, NEC 1980FXi,
1990SXi, 2080UXi, 2090Uxi, 2180UXi, 2190UXi, and the Samsung 970P and 971P.

These are monitors that calibrate well and after calibration they don't fall much behind.

These are the monitors to look for, if you are a serious about color professional photographer that is more concious about value for money than absolute quality.
This is the line of monitors that you should look for, if you are a CRT fan.
These are probably better than CRTs unless you had a Sony Artisan a Mitsubishi or a LaCie.

5)One step down in performance you will find many monitors that after a hardware calibration will be at least acceptable for color critical work but be prepared for some compromises.
Apple Cinema Displays, Lacie 119, 120, 121 are the safest bet here with other monitors with similar VA or IPS panels coming next.

Most of the times the compromises will be acceptable unless they don't calibrate well.

The most common problems here are, excess brightness, lack of deep blacks, shaddow and highlight detail, and color shifts.

Some monitors in this range are the HP2065, DELL ultrasharp series of monitors (if you are lucky since DELL is using different panels upon availability so it's like gambling here) some more NECs like the 1970NX BK and 20WGX pro, Fujitsu P19-2, P19-1, LG L2000C, and the Samsung 214T and 244T.

I don't personaly recommend any one of them but I'm sure most people will be happy to have one of them if they are not very demanding.

Any monitor with a TN panel and/or less than 16 milion colours is totaly unacceptable for anything that involves photography.

Get one if you want a cheap monitor for palettes and/or gaming and thats about it.
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dOndian:
V zbirki sem imel tudi 2407wfp-HC. Sicer sem v bistvu še vedno njegov lastnik, čeprav ga ne uporabljam (ker delam na 3007WFPHC), nimam pa ga več v biroju.. Sam sem ga uporabljal le malo časa, vendar nisem opazil nobenega problema z ghostingom. Res pa je da nisem igral nobene igre na njemu, niti gledal nobenega filma. Sem pa, ker sem vedel za problem ghostinga, že nekajkrat vprašal osebo, ki ga uporablja, če ga opazi, pa pravi da je vse ok.

_IVo,
definiraj srednji razred .

Saladin,

moj pomislek se ustavi pri tistih, ki takšne zaslone kupujejo zaradi iger ;-).

torej v uporabi takšnih ekranov vidiš le igranje iger in gledanje filmov?

Saj rečem - zmotil sem se (24" so pretežno widescreen ekrani, kolkor vidim)

Ciljal pa sem na 24" 3:4 ekrane.
Kajti če imaš dober Widescreen LCD TV za filme gledat, ima smisla vzet dober 3:4 LCD za razna dela, vključno z igranjem iger.

Nima pa smisla jemat tako velikega in dragega zaslona, če ga ne misliš uporabljat v nativni rezoluciji, 1920x1200 pa je velik zalogaj tudi za high end PC-je - sedaj in v bližnji bodočnosti.

3:4 ??? ...Pol sploh ne rabiš pivot funkcije.......

4:3

Kaj pa, če kupiš ta monitor?

Lej, sej za občasno gamanje je vredu, in za kakšne dirkaške....Za igranje hitrih iger, cod so npr. crysis, cod in podobno, pa niti ni tko ql......

Sem si pa včeri Neca pogledal v BigBangu ob veliko monitorjih (med njimi tudi ips matrike) in je imel prav impresivno sliko, pa tudi velikost je kar vredu....tako da super

Saj ga tudi bom, ko 1x vidiš sliko v živo, se potem težko premisliš....