Zakaj so električni avtomobili prava stvar

Nikec3 je 26. okt 2017 ob 16:50 izjavil:

WarpedGone je 26. okt 2017 ob 16:10 izjavil:

Maš link?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles...

All of this figures prominently in the lawsuit. Hagens Berman, one of the preeminent class action firms in the U.S., is leading the charge for Tesla owners. Partner Steve Berman represented a dozen states in the $206 billion settlement with Big Tobacco, as well as victims of fraud by Enron Corp. and Bernard Madoff. The 72-page amended complaint filed in San Jose federal court alleges fraud in the sale of Autopilot features, with lead plaintiffs from California, Colorado, New Jersey, and Florida describing similar experiences of expectation, expenditure—and disappointment.

“Many owners report the Autopilot is essentially unusable and demonstrably dangerous,” the complaint states, referring to the versions rolled out at the beginning of 2017. The plaintiffs contend that rather than acknowledge problems, Tesla regularly posted optimistic notices of coming updates. The lawsuit refers to the self-driving technology as “vaporware,” tech jargon for software that doesn’t exist.

WarpedGone je 26. okt 2017 ob 14:38 izjavil:

@nikec:

@WarpedOne, kaj točno je težava, da Tesla tako dolgo rabi in da je AP2 celo slabši od eno leto starega predhodnika?

Sej je ja jasno ... so totalno nesposobni, kar dokazujejo vsi ostali ki v svoje avtomobile vgrajujejo bistveno boljše asistenčne sisteme že ohoho časa.

Ignorirajmo detajl, da ga ne, da počasi počasi plezajo proti nivoju AP1 in še vedno za njim grdo zaostajajo in da je AP2 konceptualno čisto drugačna žival kot AP1.
Ampak za SloTech občestvo je razlaga simpl: so nesposobni morilski prevaranti.

poleg tega, da je opisano popolnoma avtonomno vozil (volan ni omenjen),

si očitno povsem odvisen od njihovega podpornega omrežja "avtonomnim" vozilom.

Last year, famous Silicon Valley venture capitalist and early Tesla investor Steve Juvertson recalled a conversation he had with Uber CEO Travis Kalanick:
Travis recently told me that in 2020, if Telsas are autonomous, he'd want to buy all of them. He said all 500,000 of estimated 2020 production, I'd want them all, but he couldn't get a return call from Elon.

Uber reportedly placed an order for 100,000 autonomous Mercedes S-Class sedans valued at around €10 billion ($11 billion). The order is not expected to be fulfilled until around 2020.

Nikec3 je 27. okt 2017 ob 10:54 izjavil:

S tem programom delamo dobiček, a manjšega, kot z avtomobili na dizelski ali bencinski pogon.

Sem mislil da i oddelek gladko tolče izgubo.

RedDrake je 27. okt 2017 ob 11:00 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 27. okt 2017 ob 10:54 izjavil:

S tem programom delamo dobiček, a manjšega, kot z avtomobili na dizelski ali bencinski pogon.

Sem mislil da i oddelek gladko tolče izgubo.

To zato, ker bereš iste vire kot W1, ki potem misli, da ima Tesla pri avtu za 35k 30% marže, konkurenca pa jih prodaja s 30% izgube.
In to zato, ker je šef FCA koncerna, ki po vseh metrikah proizvaja najslabša vozila na zahodnem tržišču, izjavil da njihov Fiat 500e ne prinaša dobička.

Jasna stvar vsem, ki so pripravjeni to videt - Tesla bo Uber z lastno floto avtonomnih vozil.

Invictus je 27. okt 2017 ob 11:46 izjavil:

Baterije? Pa ja ne mislite, da današnji avto proizvajalci ne bodo delali svojih baterij? Muska še povohal ne bo nihče...

Zgleda je preveč dobrih inženirjev preusmeril v SpaceX

As someone working there for Panasonic I can tell you EXACTLY where the problems are. Great management and technicians there from the Japanese side of things, absolutely horrible management from the American side at Panasonic. From top level production managers all the way down to the line leads I've never seen a bigger cluster eff of horrible management at a single company. They have absolutely zero production management experience and it shows. The American hired technicians they've hired have even less production and technical experience than anything I've ever seen. I've seen production equipment down for days at Panasonic just because of complete technical incompetence from the American hired technicians. Things like losing parts or stripping off bolt heads by using channel locks instead of sockets on hex bolts. They damage everything they touch because of their complete technical incompetence then it takes weeks to get the replacement parts they break shipped in from Japan because nothing on the production line just uses standard off the shelf parts that can be purchased locally. Then there's the managers for the production lines. I have no idea why they hired them, they have absolutely zero technical or production experience and there's no hope that they ever will have useable working experience. We had 3 of the then only 4 running production lines down to less Han 40% of production capacity because a manager was told o-ri gs were needed for the electrolyte filling machines. 3 months went buy and he still had not ordered the o-rings, slowly machine after machine went down, unable to run without the simple 3 cent o-rings he manager totally dropped the ball on. The managements complete incompetence in production or technical experience has proven time after time there to be an absolute destructive force on the production rate Panasonic is fully capable of. I've seen the managers fire top quality workers just because they didn't like them, yet keep people who should have never been hired in the first place. It's just unbelievable how poorly managed hat place is on the American side of Panasonic, truly unbelievable.

If the managers aren't bad enough and causing the majority of the problems, or in the very least not preventing them from happening and not hiring truly technical capable people to keep things running instead of always doing more harm than good, then the beyond their control issues then pile up as well. This part of Northern Nevada gets their electricity from NV Energy. The one time plan to make the entire Gigafactory solar and off the grid was scrapped early on. Being only 5 miles away from the power plant for NV Energy you'd think even with NV Energy's long standing track record at terrible dependability in supplying power wouldn't be a problem but it is. The plant experiences power outages lasting from seconds to hours almost weekly. When just a 1/10th of a second long power outage takes place there it is absolute devastation to Panasonic's production lines. It takes up to 6 hours on average to recover the equipment and get it back into production after even just a split second power bump. Not to mention 4 hours worth of production made before the power bump becomes ruined and has to be trashed. This happens a minimum of 1-2 times a week out there due to NV Energy's unreliability.

Then there's the location issues, located almost 20 miles outside of Reno there's only a single highway, I80, available for employees to get there on. This section of highway is notorious for being closed 6-8 hours at a time due to everything from road accidents to brush fires, to snow and ice. It's another regularly occurring problem where I80 can be locked up and closed for numerous hours at a time several times a week. This means no employees can get to work and production has to be shut down. Once hey are able to make it in then it's up to 6 hours again to get the production equipment running again.

What Elon needs to do to solve these problems is start by firing from the very top down ALL of the American hired managers, from the very top manager all the way down to the production line leads. Replace them with people who have actual production management and technical experience.

Dig one of his high speed tunnels from Sparks Nevada to the Gigafactory to resolve the single road issue that's a constant weekly problem.

Get back to the plan of powering the plant by off grid solar, or in the very least use his powerwalls out there to solve the NV Energy unreliability issue.

Start retrofitting the Panasonic production equipment with parts that can be easily and quickly purchased off the shelf locally.

Until ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ACCOMPLISHED they will only continue to have production hell out there and will never meet their realistic and achievable goals.

Not that hard to figure out on your own that Northern Nevada doesn't have production experienced people living in this part of the country where the local economy is based solely on casinos and tourist.

Not that hard to search Reno media and see how often NV Energy has constant power outages affecting thousands of people.

Not that hard to search Reno media and find how often I80 and ISA Parkway between Reno and Fernley gets closed down due to mainly accidents any given day of the year but also weather and fires depending on the time of year.

Elon is fully aware of most of these problems, but I doubt he's fully aware of just how bad the management is on the Panasonic side of his production problems. Nor is he likely aware of just how poorly skilled the people are they've brought in as production equipment technicians.

As an employee nothing can be said about this in house or you're immediately viewed as not being a team player. The Japanese also have this damaging policy where they don't like blame pointed at individuals. That may work for them in Japan, but when you have people here who are supposed to be fixing problems and instead only add to the problems through incompetence you need to weed them out fast.

WarpedGone je 27. okt 2017 ob 12:46 izjavil:

Če povzamemo ... še vedno si nepismen.

WarpedGone je 27. okt 2017 ob 08:20 izjavil:

Tesla NE oglašuje level 5, oglašuje FSD. Njihova trditev je, da trenutna senzorska oprema zadostuje, kompjuter bo pa v primeru nezadostnosti brezplačno zamenjan.

Elon Musk: The basic news is that all Tesla vehicles exiting the factory have the hardware necessary for Level 5 Autonomy. So that’s in terms of the cameras, the compute power. It’s every car we make on the order 2,000 cars a week are shipping now with Level 5, meaning hardware capable of full self-driving for driverless capability.

So it’ll take us some time, you know, into the future to complete validation of the software and to get through required regulatory approval, but the important thing is that the foundation is laid for the cars to be fully autonomous at a safety level we believe to be at least twice that of a person, maybe better.

Elon Musk: This is all Tesla Vision, this software, so we are not using any third-party software or anything for for the vision processing, this is a Tesla developed neural-net

Elon Musk: We did pick in the Nvidia Titan GPU as the main chip for the neural-net

VaeVictis je 30. okt 2017 ob 09:59 izjavil:

WarpedGone je 30. okt 2017 ob 12:59 izjavil:

Saj *to* je šok.