Zakaj so električni avtomobili prava stvar

7982884e je 23. avg 2014 ob 11:23 izjavil:

ne, bolj manjko infrastrukture in vladnih subvencij napram kakšni norveški, kjer tesle kupujejo kot norci

Long-time German premium brand driver here, got bitten by the Tesla bug bad - I guess it was airborne because all it took is one look at the car and a few moments of thought concerning never having to think about engine noise, idle pollution, smelly mornings with the gasoline heater running (or hot parked cars because parked gasoline cars can't run the compressor during summer), messy gasolines and oily fluids again. And paying for gas. It doesn't hurt that Tesla is priced very competitively for us in high gasoline/CO2 taxation countries either.

Nobody else does normal-size, yet at the same time mindblowingly great electric cars but Tesla. Everyone else seems to be either dabbling in some super-niche fringe, small-battery hybrid or trying to attack the golf cart market. None of the other offering seem to have the combination of practicality, performance and purity.

I think I must be going a bit mad. Say it ain't so? Or maybe Tesla really hit this one out of the car park. I'm pretty brand loyal and now it feels my brand loyalty has shifted massively. If I were a German premium brand, I would be pretty darn nervous right about now, because it can't be just me. I already ordered the Tesla Shop clean of any and all apparel they sell to show my newly found colors. Sorry if they ran out of something, just blame me. Well, I guess I'm rather shifting loyalties than gears anymore.

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I always saw hybrids and plug-in hybrids as stopgaps, but I did use to think that the near to mid-term future of electric car was the gasoline range extender. It sort of made a lot of sense to me - make an electric car that can also charge from a relatively compact gasoline engine when necessary. I guess this is what BMW i3 (with the option) is targeting and others have shown similar concepts. What I didn't realize at the time is that the thinking radically changes when you take the bold step beyond that: remove the gasoline engine entirely.

The thing is, doing something like the BMW i3 really can mislead. Its problem isn't so much that it is a small car (that can certainly be attractive for many reasons, least of which is parking space and maneuverability in cities - I do see a future for small electric cars as well), the problem is that it is still inherently based on an idea that electric car thusfar is limited. This changes thinking and it is something that seems to set Tesla apart massively at the moment, because they don't share that belief.

The BMW i3 and many of the first electric cars (be it hybrids or whatnots) are smallish city spinners exactly because electricity isn't considered practical for longer ranges by the traditional automotive manufacturers. Similarly, by creating the range extender option, this point is driven further home - leave it to good old gasoline to get anywhere else. The Audi A3 e-tron (a plug-in hybrid) is also built on the idea that electricity is for the city and you'll need gasoline for the longer hops - the functionality of the car is built around this premise. Audi too was thinking otherwise with the R8 e-tron, but cancelled it because they got scared. Besides, it really wasn't the best proposition for the "new normal" electric car. I'll get to that shortly.
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What if you think electric car is suitable for everything that your regular, normal or full-sized car is? You might just build one. This is when a brand new world opens up, because an electric car that believes it can cover any distance and dismisses the internal combustion engine, begins to enjoy immense benefits. Not least because that clarity and purity of vision, of an electric car world, means you are likelier to take better and bolder steps to make it happen. Traditional car-makers have a vested interest in the world of the past and are more inclined to take and prefer babysteps, so that their current business isn't hurt. After all, a lot of the R&D these guys have is about building internal combustion engines. Making those obsolete overnight isn't a good proposition for them. They'll dabble in the niches, so as to not hurt the volumes. A car-maker of the future has a vested interest in things like a supercharger network instead, because they are already living that future in their thinking and their interest is aligned with it.

EV za 80k€ pač ni nič posebnega

Sicer pa W1, kdaj bo Tesla? Put your money where your mouth is, al kako že.

Trenutno bistveno predragi za to kar ponujajo.

Ah daj no, ker tebi ni všeč je pa skropucalo?

alexa-lol je 24. avg 2014 ob 14:23 izjavil:

Two VERY...

need to say no more

Skropucalo je enostavo zato ker se po vseh/večini avtomobilskih metrikah mogoče lahko primerja z mestnim avtočičem za 10 jurjev. Mogoče.

A Tesla Motor Club poll of 87 Model S owners revealed that a startling 28 of them had had their drive units replaced, a rate of 32 percent. Five of them (6 percent) had had multiple replacements.

WarpedGone je 25. avg 2014 ob 18:19 izjavil:

Vsaj v Edmundsovem primeru se je po treh zamenjavah izkazalo da je kriv rahlo losan kabl ki zaradi vibriracij udarja ob kovino, kar se prenaša na celo karoserijo.

Moderne ICE avtomobile se še vedno šraufa, pri tesli pa se enostavno zamenja pogonski sklop:
a) ker je hitrejše
b) ker je ceneje
c) ker je zanesljivejše

7982884e je 25. avg 2014 ob 16:20 izjavil:

alexa-lol je 24. avg 2014 ob 14:23 izjavil:

Two VERY...

need to say no more

nevem kaj impliciraš
ker model s userji so večinsko zelo zadovoljni

Moderne ICE avtomobile se še vedno šraufa, pri tesli pa se enostavno zamenja pogonski sklop:

alexa-lol je 25. avg 2014 ob 20:20 izjavil:

Ta stavek pove točno 0.

Primer
Kako se morem jutri oblečti. -> Vreme bo nad Evropo večinoma sončno. -> Super, zvem pa nič.

Two.. verjetno za vsako stvar na svetu obstajata dva uporabnika, ki sta zadovoljna. To ni veliko bolje od tega da imaš mnenje - "eden ni nobeden".

30% menjanih pogonskih sklopov?

Ampak glede na to da pravijo, da so nekateri, ki niso bili upravičeni do garancije (poslovni uporabniki?) že odkartali 15.000$ za nov pogonski sklop, nevem če so to samo "ropotajoči kabli".

They replaced my drive unit, but sadly the clunk is still there

I had a similar problem when my vehicle was still very new ~1,500 miles. The problem got progressively worse, and in the end turned out to be a burned out wheel bearing on the right rear wheel.

Same issue. Faint clunk when light throttle in parking lots. Sort of feels like driveline lash. Had it in my BMW M3 with its heavy duty clutch. P85+ with normal regen and no creep mode.

Tesla has redesigned the motor mount to deal with the humming issue, but I don't know if they've made any changes to the motor itself. I've had two drive units replaced - one after 500 miles in September 2013 and another just a few weeks ago when the issue returned. During the most recent replacement, they also updated the motor mounts which supposedly help with the issue.

After picking up my car and talking to the actual guys who worked on the car, they told me the drive unit is more than just the inverter. It is the motor, gear reduction, and inverter as a single assembly. They also upgraded the motor mounts during the process.
Seems like a pretty involved replacement but they did it quickly and efficiently, was covered by the warranty, and the customer support was amazing!
No more "clunk" sound on transition to regen. Although the folks at the service center were great, hopefully this is the only time I NEED to go the service center for the foreseeable future.

V mojem par letnem ukvarjanju s trifaznimi pogonskimi sistemi,

... there are at least two separate drive train noise issues, a loose cable that vibrates against the housing, and a tolerance issue in the gear reduction that needs to be shimmed.

WarpedGone je 25. avg 2014 ob 22:17 izjavil:

Komu so že v ICE avtu karkoli zamenjali, ker je le "preveč ropotalo"?