Nova-stara vojna: Armenija - Azerbajdžan

Še ena vojna? Super

Zakaj si želijo teh skal? Hvala za razlago.

Armenci so se zajebali. Ko so bili mocnejsi, so bili arogatni. Sedaj se je razmerje moci obrnilo.

papasmrk je 19. sep 2023 ob 13:52 izjavil:

Na kateri strani pa moram biti v tej vojni ?

Mislim, da si mednarodna skupnost ne bo preveč belila glave pri tej vojni.

Idealno bi si drzavi izmenjali ozemlja ter prostovoljno naredili bolj etnicno homogeni drzavi. Nekaksno prostovoljno etnicno ciscenje brez vojne.
Samo v zivljenju ni nikoli idealno. Oba naroda se res sovrazita.

Vanich je 19. sep 2023 ob 13:11 izjavil:

...se je zopet in pričakovano začela.

Jup. Pričakovano.

Vprašanje, če bodo Rusi pomagali. :)

če prav razumem gre tu za spor med Turčijo (Azerbajdžan) in Iranom (Armenia) - bolj kot Rusijo, ki itak ni podprla Armenije....

Smo videli kako so Rusi leta 2020 ustavili Azerbajdzan... Rusi so popusili popolnoma. Izgubljajo vpliv na Kavkazu, v Srednji Aziji in v Vzhodni Evropi.

Turki podpirajo Azerbajdžan in Turki so naši zavezniki v NATO-u. Na drugi strani je pa grdi Iran. OK mi je že jasno koga moram podpirat v tej vojni.

trololololo je 19. sep 2023 ob 14:12 izjavil:

kow je 19. sep 2023 ob 14:11 izjavil:

Smo videli kako so Rusi leta 2020 ustavili Azerbajdzan... Rusi so popusili popolnoma.

Rusi niso sodelovali v tisti vojni, vsaj ne v takšni meri kot Turčija.

Ergo, so popusili in Armencem ne koristijo.

@spenta4
10 hours ago
The problem with this analysis is that it concentrates on Armenia and not Azerbaijan. The main driving force for this conflict is the desire of Turkey and Baku to create a land corridor between Azerbaijan proper, Nakhjavan, and Turkey. The key is to create the Zangzur corridor. That would practically make Azerbaijan an autonomous province of Turkey, the way North Cypress is. Iran is the main country preventing that. Russia would be alarmed but it would not intervene. That became apparent when Azeri troops killed Russian observers and nothing happened. The point that Iran is the main obstacle in this plan has been repeatedly expressed by Mr. Erdogan, FM Fidan Hakan, and the officials in Baku. Iran has drawn red lines and they adhere to it strictly. Mr. Fidan even implied that in case of war between Baku and Iran, Turkey would have to defend Baku. He traveled to Iran and invited Raisi to Turkey to discuss that and he was told that Iran will not accept any changes in borders. There are currently up to 75k troops in northwestern Iran. The hope was that the anniversary of the events of last year would jump-start another round of unrest and Iran would be busy with its own problems and not be able to intervene. Well, the anniversary came and went and nothing happened. Another player in this conflict is Israel. In the last two weeks alone, there have been at least 20 military transport flights from Israel to Baku. It is understandable that Israel would prefer a war between Iran and Baku which would drag in Turkey. The issue seems to be that neither Turkey nor Baku can convince Iran to give up its objection and neither wants a war with Iran. Meanwhile, Baku rushes up to Iran's red line occasionally but always backs down at the last moment. I know that this channel has an anti-Iran attitude but this antipathy cannot lead to a major gap in your analysis. If anybody follows the events there, the person will realize promptly that the conflict is about the Zangzur Corridor and it is mainly a conflict that involves Iran and Armenian territorial complexity on one side and Baku, Turkey, and Israel on the other side. Incidentally, India has become a major supporter of Armenia and sends heavy weapons to Armenia through Iran. Russia, China, India, and Iran all see the implications of the Zangzur corridor. For Russia, it would be the end of its North-Suuth corridor and full dependence on Turkey. Moreover, Turkey has territorial claims in Russia's underbelly. The Chinese know the expansion will not end with Baku but it will extend into Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and that means a major block to the Belt and Road Initiative and its East-West Corridor. More importantly destabilization of its eastern border. For Iran, that would mean being locked out of Central Asia and the Caspian Sea and more importantly constant war on its northern borders. Armenia is the first step in a major geopolitical change. This is an existential threat to Armenia. People in Baku already claim all of Armenia is East Azerbaijan. All of this begins with Zangzur and it ends with Zangzur. Iran knows this and Iran is the country actively blocking it with the support of China, Russia, and India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKxc8-6MCVg&lc=Ugyxq_ckip3JD1lQrL94AaABAg

D3m je 19. sep 2023 ob 14:00 izjavil:

Vanich je 19. sep 2023 ob 13:11 izjavil:

...se je zopet in pričakovano začela.

Jup. Pričakovano.

Vprašanje, če bodo Rusi pomagali. :)

Rusi še sebi ne morejo pomagat.
Tu se bo videl fail CSTO-ja.

Dobro je Pashinyan prodal Armence tam.

Sedaj bombardirajo vojaške, kot civilne tarče. :D

Očitno namiguje na to, da bi se morali Armenijci mobilizirat in it full scale war.

Ampak alternativa je, pa da agresorju pustis, to kar si želi. To se je v zgodovini že dostkrat pokazalo, da potem reši stvari ane.

kow je 20. sep 2023 ob 09:07 izjavil:

Kaj tocno naj bi naredil? Kaj predlagas?

Jaz nič ne predlagam.

Samo pravim, da je izbral Pashinyan sebi najboljšo opcijo.

Vprašanje, če bo politično preživel.

Nimajo sreče Armenci. :D

kow je 20. sep 2023 ob 09:12 izjavil:

Problem je, da tehnicno, Azeri niso agresor.

Glede tega imaš prav ja ...

kow je 20. sep 2023 ob 09:17 izjavil:

Sreco si izberes sam. Ko so zmagali vojno v zacetku 90-ih, bi lahko ravnali pametneje in sklenili boljsi deal.

Žal.

Sedaj pa verjetno ne bo nobenih sankcij s strani EU/USA. :D

Azere :D

No, rezervni krivec bo tudi Rus. :D

Armenci so rekli isto kot jaz, *ebeš te skale.

D3m je 20. sep 2023 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Azere :D

No, rezervni krivec bo tudi Rus. :D

Napadajo lastno (mednarodno priznano) drzavo. Zdaj bomo videli, koliko brihtni bodo Azeri - ce so se kaj naucili iz napak Armencev.

kow je 20. sep 2023 ob 12:44 izjavil:

D3m je 20. sep 2023 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Azere :D

No, rezervni krivec bo tudi Rus. :D

Napadajo lastno (mednarodno priznano) drzavo. Zdaj bomo videli, koliko brihtni bodo Azeri - ce so se kaj naucili iz napak Armencev.

Sedaj bodo zavzeli Artshak.

Ni pa še konec.

Rabijo še koridor do Nakhichevan (to bo šele veselica za Armence).

S tem pretrgajo dostop Rusije do Irana.

kow je 20. sep 2023 ob 12:44 izjavil:

D3m je 20. sep 2023 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Azere :D

No, rezervni krivec bo tudi Rus. :D

Napadajo lastno (mednarodno priznano) drzavo. Zdaj bomo videli, koliko brihtni bodo Azeri - ce so se kaj naucili iz napak Armencev.

Napadajo etnično manjšino. :D

cca. 200k jih je.

Meni je žal Armencev, so eno najstarejših krščanskih ljudstev tam, so naši bratje, Rusi so se jim odpovedali, tepejo jih pa islamisti Turki.

Turki so izvajali že od nekdaj genocid nad njimi:

The Armenian genocide[a] was the systematic destruction of the Armenian people and identity in the Ottoman Empire during World War I. Spearheaded by the ruling Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), it was implemented primarily through the mass murder of around one million Armenians during death marches to the Syrian Desert and the forced Islamization of others, primarily women and children.
Armenian genocide @ Wikipedia

Bogi narod! Za mene imajo tudi najlepše pesmi

Rusi so jih zafukali.
Že pred leti.

CSTO je fail in več kot očitno so Armenci stavili na napačnega konja.

Tako je za Armenijo ne za Artsakh.

Cifer mi ni treba kazati vem kaj je Turčina.

Da malo vidite kaj so izgubili Armenci

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/...

Thx.

No sedaj morajo pa Azeri dobiti še Zangezur koridor.

Zangezur corridor @ Wikipedia

Pa so "Turško ljudstvo" popolnoma zmagali. :D

Slika:

Turška ljudstva