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Smrekar1 ::

konspirator je izjavil:

Tankovski izleti s plačanci pehoto v tujo državno in "samopovabitev" so del Eu folklore ?


Ne, od kje ti ta ideja?

Potem bi lahko Francozi šli po napadih v Franciji malo na izlet z leclerki in tujsko legijo v Bruselj, v eminentno četrt Molenbeek.Boj proti isilu.


Fora je edino v tem, da je Belgija to sposobna to storiti sama, ampak zaradi zakonodaje tega ne sme storiti. V Siriji to evidentno ne drži.

Obmejni Jarablus je bil prazen, isis je pobegnil v Al-bab (skupaj z onimi, ki so uspeli priti iz Manbija).


Kul. Kaj pa ta slika prikazuje?

eric_cartman ::

In the meantime....

Pa kdo je tu nor?... bi rekli....

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160817/...
Kaj so švaboti res tko naivni?

Erdogan o tem dogovoru:
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160824/...

Pa potem začaran krog. Oni ne izpolnjujejo "naših" pogojev, mi pa ne njihovih. To je tko kot da bi si merili s puškami v glavo pa čakali kdo jo bo prvi odložil.

konspirator ::

Fora je edino v tem, da je Belgija to sposobna to storiti sama, ampak zaradi zakonodaje tega ne sme storiti.

Ne, Belgija tega sama ni več sposobna.Tumor se je na žalost že preveč razširil za njihovo zmogljivost škarij.

Slika prikazuje:
NE #Aleppo: #ISIS erected 25 km+ barriers to protect Al-Bab. Tadef & M4 highway included in huge defensive system.

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Pero_SLO ::

Smrekar1 ::

eric_cartman je izjavil:

In the meantime....

Pa kdo je tu nor?... bi rekli....

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160817/...
Kaj so švaboti res tko naivni?


Pravo vprašanje je - si ti res tako naiven?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160825/...

Smrekar1 ::

konspirator je izjavil:


Ne, Belgija tega sama ni več sposobna.Tumor se je na žalost že preveč razširil za njihovo zmogljivost škarij.


Dvomim da si predstavljaš česa so Belgijci sposobni.

Congo Free State @ Wikipedia

Slika prikazuje:
NE #Aleppo: #ISIS erected 25 km+ barriers to protect Al-Bab. Tadef & M4 highway included in huge defensive system.


Ok. Pa?

eric_cartman ::

@Smrekar saj se zavedam tega..
Že zgoraj sem napisal, da bi po eni strani potrebovali takšno vojaško ureditev. Hkrati pa ne vem kako bi sploh z njo upravljali. Se strinjam, da je to absolutno preveliko jabolko, da bi ga rešili neki forumaši.. :D

In seveda se strinjam z napisanim..Seveda bi najprej poskusili naredit vse, da do vojn sploh ne pride. Samo po drugi strani pa ne smemo bit naivni. Nekateri osebki, ki netijo vojne in hkrati vodijo države imajo pač svoje sanje o NWO-ju. Želim rečt samo, da upam, da na koncu ne potegnemo ta kratke.

konspirator ::

Smrekar1
Dvomim da si predstavljaš česa so Belgijci sposobni.

Primerjaš vikinge s švedi.



eric_cartman
Nekateri osebki, ki netijo vojne in hkrati vodijo države imajo pač svoje sanje o NWO-ju. Želim rečt samo, da upam, da na koncu ne potegnemo ta kratke.

Če nisi oseba, ki dela prve poteze, potem si lahko samo kmet na šahovnici.Brez skrbi, warmorgerji niso nikoli v prvih strelskih jarkih.

Smrekar1 ::

konspirator je izjavil:


Primerjaš vikinge s švedi.


Enačiš 1000 let s 100 leti.

oo7 ::

Z EU vojsko bi upravljali Bruslski politiki in takoj, ko bi bili ljudje v kakšni državi proti njim bi lahko na ulico poslali svojo EU vojsko. Kar naj ostane pri tem, ko je vsaka država naj ima svojo vojsko kot, da jo ima bolnik kot je Junker, ki je 3 dni nazaj rekel meje so najslabša pogruntavščina politikov in, da je potrebno odpreti vse meje.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...

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tikitoki ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

tikitoki je izjavil:

Jah, iz Crnega morja, brez privoljenja Turcije tko ne more nikamor.


V bistvu ne, zaradi več razlogov. Prvi je ta, da lahko, po mednarodnem pravu (ki ga nekatere države kljub vsemu upoštevajo, ker niso Rusija) vsaka ladja v mirnem časuu prepluje katerekoli ozemeljske vode. Podmornice morajo pluti na površju, to je pa tudi vse.
Nadalje, s Turčijo obstajajo še dodatne pogodbe, ki Turčiji izrecno prepovedujejo zapiranje Bosporja tudi v vojnem času, če Turčija ni v vojni z državo, ki pošilja ladje skozi Bospor.

Ledolomilcev pa se niso iznasli...


To je zgolj zasilna rešitev, boljše kot nič je, vendar si v vojnem času res ne želiš odvisnosti od ledolomilcev. Sovrag ti stolče ledolomilca in tvoje ladjevje je paralizirano do pomladi. Manevrirati ne moreš in te je lažje zadeti, pluješ lahko le z omejeno hitrostjo in tako dalje.


Edina resna vojaska groznja Rusiji na tej strani je NATO. Turcija je clanica. Ergo, ce bi rusija dejansko postala ogrozena do mere, da bi bila ogrozena mornarica v Baltskem morju. Pol bi ocitno tudi cez bospor nebi sli nikamor.

oo7 ::

tikitoki je izjavil:


Edina resna vojaska groznja Rusiji na tej strani je NATO. Turcija je clanica. Ergo, ce bi rusija dejansko postala ogrozena do mere, da bi bila ogrozena mornarica v Baltskem morju. Pol bi ocitno tudi cez bospor nebi sli nikamor.



NATO in Amerika sta grožnja celemu svetu.

Blazz ::

tale tema je povsem enaka tisti, o bank run-u kako vas je polovica tle pisala da hitro vse iz bank, ker se bliža thunderstorm...

tko da chill out :)

tikitoki ::

zmaugy je izjavil:

@tikitoki:
1. Glede "nove geografije" ti je odgovoril Smrekar.
2. Učinkovitost EU da se sooči z milijonom neoboroženih migrantov se je pokazala lani. Premisli kaj bi se zgodilo, če bi se Grčija ali Bolgarija soočila s turško vojsko.

Turčija nima izbire, na dolgi rok bo ali imperij ali pa je ne bo.


Je velika razlika med neoborozenimi begunci, migranti, ki jih zaradi vrednost ne morejo enostavno postreliti na meji, kot bi si zelili nekateri in vojaskim napadom na clanico EU, ki se se ni zgodil.

Se vedno obstaja dejstvo, da ima Rusija veliko drugih pomorskih baz in je cista laz, da bi njihova mornarica cez noc razpadla brez Krima. Sam so se morali privaditi tudi na svet v katerem nimajo kup satelitskih drzav. Fuck it:).

tikitoki ::

oo7 je izjavil:

tikitoki je izjavil:


Edina resna vojaska groznja Rusiji na tej strani je NATO. Turcija je clanica. Ergo, ce bi rusija dejansko postala ogrozena do mere, da bi bila ogrozena mornarica v Baltskem morju. Pol bi ocitno tudi cez bospor nebi sli nikamor.



NATO in Amerika sta grožnja celemu svetu.


Debata tece o tem, da domnevno Ruska mornarica brez Krima propade oz. se lahko kar ukine. According to Srekar an Zmaugy

oo7 ::

US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 "Victim Nations" Since World War II



37 VICTIM NATIONS



Afghanistan

The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation. (1,2,3,4)

The Soviet Union had friendly relations its neighbor, Afghanistan, which had a secular government. The Soviets feared that if that government became fundamentalist this change could spill over into the Soviet Union.

In 1998, in an interview with the Parisian publication Le Novel Observateur, Zbigniew Brzezinski, adviser to President Carter, admitted that he had been responsible for instigating aid to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan which caused the Soviets to invade. In his own words:

According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. (5,1,6)

Brzezinski justified laying this trap, since he said it gave the Soviet Union its Vietnam and caused the breakup of the Soviet Union. "Regret what?" he said. "That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it?" (7)

The CIA spent 5 to 6 billion dollars on its operation in Afghanistan in order to bleed the Soviet Union. (1,2,3) When that 10-year war ended over a million people were dead and Afghan heroin had captured 60% of the U.S. market. (4)

The U.S. has been responsible directly for about 12,000 deaths in Afghanistan many of which resulted from bombing in retaliation for the attacks on U.S. property on September 11, 2001. Subsequently U.S. troops invaded that country. (4)




Angola

An indigenous armed struggle against Portuguese rule in Angola began in 1961. In 1977 an Angolan government was recognized by the U.N., although the U.S. was one of the few nations that opposed this action. In 1986 Uncle Sam approved material assistance to UNITA, a group that was trying to overthrow the government. Even today this struggle, which has involved many nations at times, continues.

U.S. intervention was justified to the U.S. public as a reaction to the intervention of 50,000 Cuban troops in Angola. However, according to Piero Gleijeses, a history professor at Johns Hopkins University the reverse was true. The Cuban intervention came as a result of a CIA - financed covert invasion via neighboring Zaire and a drive on the Angolan capital by the U.S. ally, South Africa1,2,3). (Three estimates of deaths range from 300,000 to 750,000 (4,5,6)

Argentina: See South America: Operation Condor

Bangladesh: See Pakistan




Bolivia

Hugo Banzer was the leader of a repressive regime in Bolivia in the 1970s. The U.S. had been disturbed when a previous leader nationalized the tin mines and distributed land to Indian peasants. Later that action to benefit the poor was reversed.

Banzer, who was trained at the U.S.-operated School of the Americas in Panama and later at Fort Hood, Texas, came back from exile frequently to confer with U.S. Air Force Major Robert Lundin. In 1971 he staged a successful coup with the help of the U.S. Air Force radio system. In the first years of his dictatorship he received twice as military assistance from the U.S. as in the previous dozen years together.

A few years later the Catholic Church denounced an army massacre of striking tin workers in 1975, Banzer, assisted by information provided by the CIA, was able to target and locate leftist priests and nuns. His anti-clergy strategy, known as the Banzer Plan, was adopted by nine other Latin American dictatorships in 1977. (2) He has been accused of being responsible for 400 deaths during his tenure. (1)

Also see: See South America: Operation Condor
Brazil: See South America: Operation Condor




Cambodia

U.S. bombing of Cambodia had already been underway for several years in secret under the Johnson and Nixon administrations, but when President Nixon openly began bombing in preparation for a land assault on Cambodia it caused major protests in the U.S. against the Vietnam War.

There is little awareness today of the scope of these bombings and the human suffering involved.

Immense damage was done to the villages and cities of Cambodia, causing refugees and internal displacement of the population. This unstable situation enabled the Khmer Rouge, a small political party led by Pol Pot, to assume power. Over the years we have repeatedly heard about the Khmer Rouge's role in the deaths of millions in Cambodia without any acknowledgement being made this mass killing was made possible by the the U.S. bombing of that nation which destabilized it by death , injuries, hunger and dislocation of its people.

So the U.S. bears responsibility not only for the deaths from the bombings but also for those resulting from the activities of the Khmer Rouge - a total of about 2.5 million people. Even when Vietnam latrer invaded Cambodia in 1979 the CIA was still supporting the Khmer Rouge. (1,2,3)

Also see Vietnam




Chad

An estimated 40,000 people in Chad were killed and as many as 200,000 tortured by a government, headed by Hissen Habre who was brought to power in June, 1982 with the help of CIA money and arms. He remained in power for eight years. (1,2)

Human Rights Watch claimed that Habre was responsible for thousands of killings. In 2001, while living in Senegal, he was almost tried for crimes committed by him in Chad. However, a court there blocked these proceedings. Then human rights people decided to pursue the case in Belgium, because some of Habre's torture victims lived there. The U.S., in June 2003, told Belgium that it risked losing its status as host to NATO's headquarters if it allowed such a legal proceeding to happen. So the result was that the law that allowed victims to file complaints in Belgium for atrocities committed abroad was repealed. However, two months later a new law was passed which made special provision for the continuation of the case against Habre.




Chile

The CIA intervened in Chile's 1958 and 1964 elections. In 1970 a socialist candidate, Salvador Allende, was elected president. The CIA wanted to incite a military coup to prevent his inauguration, but the Chilean army's chief of staff, General Rene Schneider, opposed this action. The CIA then planned, along with some people in the Chilean military, to assassinate Schneider. This plot failed and Allende took office. President Nixon was not to be dissuaded and he ordered the CIA to create a coup climate: "Make the economy scream," he said.
What followed were guerilla warfare, arson, bombing, sabotage and terror. ITT and other U.S. corporations with Chilean holdings sponsored demonstrations and strikes. Finally, on September 11, 1973 Allende died either by suicide or by assassination. At that time Henry Kissinger, U.S. Secretary of State, said the following regarding Chile: "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people." (1)

During 17 years of terror under Allende's successor, General Augusto Pinochet, an estimated 3,000 Chileans were killed and many others were tortured or "disappeared." (2,3,4,5)

Also see South America: Operation Condor

China An estimated 900,000 Chinese died during the Korean War. For more information, See: Korea.
Colombia

One estimate is that 67,000 deaths have occurred from the 1960s to recent years due to support by the U.S. of Colombian state terrorism. (1)

According to a 1994 Amnesty International report, more than 20,000 people were killed for political reasons in Colombia since 1986, mainly by the military and its paramilitary allies. Amnesty alleged that "U.S.- supplied military equipment, ostensibly delivered for use against narcotics traffickers, was being used by the Colombian military to commit abuses in the name of "counter-insurgency." (2) In 2002 another estimate was made that 3,500 people die each year in a U.S. funded civilian war in Colombia. (3)

In 1996 Human Rights Watch issued a report "Assassination Squads in Colombia" which revealed that CIA agents went to Colombia in 1991 to help the military to train undercover agents in anti-subversive activity. (4,5)

In recent years the U.S. government has provided assistance under Plan Colombia. The Colombian government has been charged with using most of the funds for destruction of crops and support of the paramilitary group.




Cuba

In the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba on April 18, 1961 which ended after 3 days, 114 of the invading force were killed, 1,189 were taken prisoners and a few escaped to waiting U.S. ships. (1) The captured exiles were quickly tried, a few executed and the rest sentenced to thirty years in prison for treason. These exiles were released after 20 months in exchange for $53 million in food and medicine.

Some people estimate that the number of Cuban forces killed range from 2,000, to 4,000. Another estimate is that 1,800 Cuban forces were killed on an open highway by napalm. This appears to have been a precursor of the Highway of Death in Iraq in 1991 when U.S. forces mercilessly annihilated large numbers of Iraqis on a highway. (2)

Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire)

The beginning of massive violence was instigated in this country in 1879 by its colonizer King Leopold of Belgium. The Congo's population was reduced by 10 million people over a period of 20 years which some have referred to as "Leopold's Genocide." (1) The U.S. has been responsible for about a third of that many deaths in that nation in the more recent past. (2)

In 1960 the Congo became an independent state with Patrice Lumumba being its first prime minister. He was assassinated with the CIA being implicated, although some say that his murder was actually the responsibility of Belgium. (3) But nevertheless, the CIA was planning to kill him. (4) Before his assassination the CIA sent one of its scientists, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, to the Congo carrying "lethal biological material" intended for use in Lumumba's assassination. This virus would have been able to produce a fatal disease indigenous to the Congo area of Africa and was transported in a diplomatic pouch.

Much of the time in recent years there has been a civil war within the Democratic Republic of Congo, fomented often by the U.S. and other nations, including neighboring nations. (5)

In April 1977, Newsday reported that the CIA was secretly supporting efforts to recruit several hundred mercenaries in the U.S. and Great Britain to serve alongside Zaire's army. In that same year the U.S. provided $15 million of military supplies to the Zairian President Mobutu to fend off an invasion by a rival group operating in Angola. (6)

In May 1979, the U.S. sent several million dollars of aid to Mobutu who had been condemned 3 months earlier by the U.S. State Department for human rights violations. (7) During the Cold War the U.S. funneled over 300 million dollars in weapons into Zaire (8,9) $100 million in military training was provided to him. (2) In 2001 it was reported to a U.S. congressional committee that American companies, including one linked to former President George Bush Sr., were stoking the Congo for monetary gains. There is an international battle over resources in that country with over 125 companies and individuals being implicated. One of these substances is coltan, which is used in the manufacture of cell phones. (2)




Dominican Republic

In 1962, Juan Bosch became president of the Dominican Republic. He advocated such programs as land reform and public works programs. This did not bode well for his future relationship with the U.S., and after only 7 months in office, he was deposed by a CIA coup. In 1965 when a group was trying to reinstall him to his office President Johnson said, "This Bosch is no good." Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Mann replied "He's no good at all. If we don't get a decent government in there, Mr. President, we get another Bosch. It's just going to be another sinkhole." Two days later a U.S. invasion started and 22,000 soldiers and marines entered the Dominican Republic and about 3,000 Dominicans died during the fighting. The cover excuse for doing this was that this was done to protect foreigners there. (1,2,3,4)
East Timor

In December 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor. This incursion was launched the day after U.S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had left Indonesia where they had given President Suharto permission to use American arms, which under U.S. law, could not be used for aggression. Daniel Moynihan, U.S. ambassador to the UN. said that the U.S. wanted "things to turn out as they did." (1,2) The result was an estimated 200,000 dead out of a population of 700,000. (1,2)

Sixteen years later, on November 12, 1991, two hundred and seventeen East Timorese protesters in Dili, many of them children, marching from a memorial service, were gunned down by Indonesian Kopassus shock troops who were headed by U.S.- trained commanders Prabowo Subianto (son in law of General Suharto) and Kiki Syahnakri. Trucks were seen dumping bodies into the sea. (5)




El Salvador

The civil war from 1981 to1992 in El Salvador was financed by $6 billion in U.S. aid given to support the government in its efforts to crush a movement to bring social justice to the people in that nation of about 8 million people. (1)
During that time U.S. military advisers demonstrated methods of torture on teenage prisoners, according to an interview with a deserter from the Salvadoran army published in the New York Times. This former member of the Salvadoran National Guard testified that he was a member of a squad of twelve who found people who they were told were guerillas and tortured them. Part of the training he received was in torture at a U.S. location somewhere in Panama. (2)

About 900 villagers were massacred in the village of El Mozote in 1981. Ten of the twelve El Salvadoran government soldiers cited as participating in this act were graduates of the School of the Americas operated by the U.S. (2) They were only a small part of about 75,000 people killed during that civil war. (1)

According to a 1993 United Nations' Truth Commission report, over 96 % of the human rights violations carried out during the war were committed by the Salvadoran army or the paramilitary deaths squads associated with the Salvadoran army. (3)

That commission linked graduates of the School of the Americas to many notorious killings. The New York Times and the Washington Post followed with scathing articles. In 1996, the White House Oversight Board issued a report that supported many of the charges against that school made by Rev. Roy Bourgeois, head of the School of the Americas Watch. That same year the Pentagon released formerly classified reports indicating that graduates were trained in killing, extortion, and physical abuse for interrogations, false imprisonment and other methods of control. (4)




Grenada

The CIA began to destabilize Grenada in 1979 after Maurice Bishop became president, partially because he refused to join the quarantine of Cuba. The campaign against him resulted in his overthrow and the invasion by the U.S. of Grenada on October 25, 1983, with about 277 people dying. (1,2) It was fallaciously charged that an airport was being built in Grenada that could be used to attack the U.S. and it was also erroneously claimed that the lives of American medical students on that island were in danger.




Guatemala

In 1951 Jacobo Arbenz was elected president of Guatemala. He appropriated some unused land operated by the United Fruit Company and compensated the company. (1,2) That company then started a campaign to paint Arbenz as a tool of an international conspiracy and hired about 300 mercenaries who sabotaged oil supplies and trains. (3) In 1954 a CIA-orchestrated coup put him out of office and he left the country. During the next 40 years various regimes killed thousands of people.

In 1999 the Washington Post reported that an Historical Clarification Commission concluded that over 200,000 people had been killed during the civil war and that there had been 42,000 individual human rights violations, 29,000 of them fatal, 92% of which were committed by the army. The commission further reported that the U.S. government and the CIA had pressured the Guatemalan government into suppressing the guerilla movement by ruthless means. (4,5)

According to the Commission between 1981 and 1983 the military government of Guatemala - financed and supported by the U.S. government - destroyed some four hundred Mayan villages in a campaign of genocide. (4)
One of the documents made available to the commission was a 1966 memo from a U.S. State Department official, which described how a "safe house" was set up in the palace for use by Guatemalan security agents and their U.S. contacts. This was the headquarters for the Guatemalan "dirty war" against leftist insurgents and suspected allies. (2)




Haiti

From 1957 to 1986 Haiti was ruled by Papa Doc Duvalier and later by his son. During that time their private terrorist force killed between 30,000 and 100,000 people. (1) Millions of dollars in CIA subsidies flowed into Haiti during that time, mainly to suppress popular movements, (2) although most American military aid to the country, according to William Blum, was covertly channeled through Israel.

Reportedly, governments after the second Duvalier reign were responsible for an even larger number of fatalities, and the influence on Haiti by the U.S., particularly through the CIA, has continued. The U.S. later forced out of the presidential office a black Catholic priest, Jean Bertrand Aristide, even though he was elected with 67% of the vote in the early 1990s. The wealthy white class in Haiti opposed him in this predominantly black nation, because of his social programs designed to help the poor and end corruption. (3) Later he returned to office, but that did not last long. He was forced by the U.S. to leave office and now lives in South Africa.




Honduras

In the 1980s the CIA supported Battalion 316 in Honduras, which kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds of its citizens. Torture equipment and manuals were provided by CIA Argentinean personnel who worked with U.S. agents in the training of the Hondurans. Approximately 400 people lost their lives. (1,2) This is another instance of torture in the world sponsored by the U.S. (3)

Battalion 316 used shock and suffocation devices in interrogations in the 1980s. Prisoners often were kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked graves. Declassified documents and other sources show that the CIA and the U.S. Embassy knew of numerous crimes, including murder and torture, yet continued to support Battalion 316 and collaborate with its leaders." (4)

Honduras was a staging ground in the early 1980s for the Contras who were trying to overthrow the socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. John D. Negroponte, currently Deputy Secretary of State, was our embassador when our military aid to Honduras rose from $4 million to $77.4 million per year. Negroponte denies having had any knowledge of these atrocities during his tenure. However, his predecessor in that position, Jack R. Binns, had reported in 1981 that he was deeply concerned at increasing evidence of officially sponsored/sanctioned assassinations. (5)




Hungary

In 1956 Hungary, a Soviet satellite nation, revolted against the Soviet Union. During the uprising broadcasts by the U.S. Radio Free Europe into Hungary sometimes took on an aggressive tone, encouraging the rebels to believe that Western support was imminent, and even giving tactical advice on how to fight the Soviets. Their hopes were raised then dashed by these broadcasts which cast an even darker shadow over the Hungarian tragedy." (1) The Hungarian and Soviet death toll was about 3,000 and the revolution was crushed. (2)




Indonesia

In 1965, in Indonesia, a coup replaced General Sukarno with General Suharto as leader. The U.S. played a role in that change of government. Robert Martens,a former officer in the U.S. embassy in Indonesia, described how U.S. diplomats and CIA officers provided up to 5,000 names to Indonesian Army death squads in 1965 and checked them off as they were killed or captured. Martens admitted that "I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that's not all bad. There's a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive moment." (1,2,3) Estimates of the number of deaths range from 500,000 to 3 million. (4,5,6)
From 1993 to 1997 the U.S. provided Jakarta with almost $400 million in economic aid and sold tens of million of dollars of weaponry to that nation. U.S. Green Berets provided training for the Indonesia's elite force which was responsible for many of atrocities in East Timor. (3)




Iran

Iran lost about 262,000 people in the war against Iraq from 1980 to 1988. (1) See Iraq for more information about that war.

On July 3, 1988 the U.S. Navy ship, the Vincennes, was operating withing Iranian waters providing military support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. During a battle against Iranian gunboats it fired two missiles at an Iranian Airbus, which was on a routine civilian flight. All 290 civilian on board were killed. (2,3)




Iraq

A. The Iraq-Iran War lasted from 1980 to 1988 and during that time there were about 105,000 Iraqi deaths according to the Washington Post. (1,2)

According to Howard Teicher, a former National Security Council official, the U.S. provided the Iraqis with billions of dollars in credits and helped Iraq in other ways such as making sure that Iraq had military equipment including biological agents This surge of help for Iraq came as Iran seemed to be winning the war and was close to Basra. (1) The U.S. was not adverse to both countries weakening themselves as a result of the war, but it did not appear to want either side to win.

B: The U.S.-Iraq War and the Sanctions Against Iraq extended from 1990 to 2003.

Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990 and the U.S. responded by demanding that Iraq withdraw, and four days later the U.N. levied international sanctions.

Iraq had reason to believe that the U.S. would not object to its invasion of Kuwait, since U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, had told Saddam Hussein that the U.S. had no position on the dispute that his country had with Kuwait. So the green light was given, but it seemed to be more of a trap.

As a part of the public relations strategy to energize the American public into supporting an attack against Iraq the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. falsely testified before Congress that Iraqi troops were pulling the plugs on incubators in Iraqi hospitals. (1) This contributed to a war frenzy in the U.S.

The U.S. air assault started on January 17, 1991 and it lasted for 42 days. On February 23 President H.W. Bush ordered the U.S. ground assault to begin. The invasion took place with much needless killing of Iraqi military personnel. Only about 150 American military personnel died compared to about 200,000 Iraqis. Some of the Iraqis were mercilessly killed on the Highway of Death and about 400 tons of depleted uranium were left in that nation by the U.S. (2,3)

Other deaths later were from delayed deaths due to wounds, civilians killed, those killed by effects of damage of the Iraqi water treatment facilities and other aspects of its damaged infrastructure and by the sanctions.

In 1995 the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. reported that U.N sanctions against on Iraq had been responsible for the deaths of more than 560,000 children since 1990. (5)

Leslie Stahl on the TV Program 60 Minutes in 1996 mentioned to Madeleine Albright, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. "We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?" Albright replied "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think is worth it." (4)

In 1999 UNICEF reported that 5,000 children died each month as a result of the sanction and the War with the U.S. (6)

Richard Garfield later estimated that the more likely number of excess deaths among children under five years of age from 1990 through March 1998 to be 227,000 - double those of the previous decade. Garfield estimated that the numbers to be 350,000 through 2000 (based in part on result of another study). (7)

However, there are limitations to his study. His figures were not updated for the remaining three years of the sanctions. Also, two other somewhat vulnerable age groups were not studied: young children above the age of five and the elderly.

All of these reports were considerable indicators of massive numbers of deaths which the U.S. was aware of and which was a part of its strategy to cause enough pain and terror among Iraqis to cause them to revolt against their government.

C: Iraq-U.S. War started in 2003 and has not been concluded

Just as the end of the Cold War emboldened the U.S. to attack Iraq in 1991 so the attacks of September 11, 2001 laid the groundwork for the U.S. to launch the current war against Iraq. While in some other wars we learned much later about the lies that were used to deceive us, some of the deceptions that were used to get us into this war became known almost as soon as they were uttered. There were no weapons of mass destruction, we were not trying to promote democracy, we were not trying to save the Iraqi people from a dictator.

The total number of Iraqi deaths that are a result of our current Iraq against Iraq War is 654,000, of which 600,000 are attributed to acts of violence, according to Johns Hopkins researchers. (1,2)

Since these deaths are a result of the U.S. invasion, our leaders must accept responsibility for them.




Israeli-Palestinian War

About 100,000 to 200,000 Israelis and Palestinians, but mostly the latter, have been killed in the struggle between those two groups. The U.S. has been a strong supporter of Israel, providing billions of dollars in aid and supporting its possession of nuclear weapons. (1,2)

Korea, North and South

The Korean War started in 1950 when, according to the Truman administration, North Korea invaded South Korea on June 25th. However, since then another explanation has emerged which maintains that the attack by North Korea came during a time of many border incursions by both sides. South Korea initiated most of the border clashes with North Korea beginning in 1948. The North Korea government claimed that by 1949 the South Korean army committed 2,617 armed incursions. It was a myth that the Soviet Union ordered North Korea to attack South Korea. (1,2)

The U.S. started its attack before a U.N. resolution was passed supporting our nation's intervention, and our military forces added to the mayhem in the war by introducing the use of napalm. (1)

During the war the bulk of the deaths were South Koreans, North Koreans and Chinese. Four sources give deaths counts ranging from 1.8 to 4.5 million. (3,4,5,6) Another source gives a total of 4 million but does not identify to which nation they belonged. (7)

John H. Kim, a U.S. Army veteran and the Chair of the Korea Committee of Veterans for Peace, stated in an article that during the Korean War "the U.S. Army, Air Force and Navy were directly involved in the killing of about three million civilians - both South and North Koreans - at many locations throughout Korea...It is reported that the U.S. dropped some 650,000 tons of bombs, including 43,000 tons of napalm bombs, during the Korean War." It is presumed that this total does not include Chinese casualties.

Another source states a total of about 500,000 who were Koreans and presumably only military. (8,9)




Laos

From 1965 to 1973 during the Vietnam War the U.S. dropped over two million tons of bombs on Laos - more than was dropped in WWII by both sides. Over a quarter of the population became refugees. This was later called a "secret war," since it occurred at the same time as the Vietnam War, but got little press. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Branfman make the only estimate that I am aware of , stating that hundreds of thousands died. This can be interpeted to mean that at least 200,000 died. (1,2,3)

U.S. military intervention in Laos actually began much earlier. A civil war started in the 1950s when the U.S. recruited a force of 40,000 Laotians to oppose the Pathet Lao, a leftist political party that ultimately took power in 1975.

Also See Vietnam




Nepal

Between 8,000 and 12,000 Nepalese have died since a civil war broke out in 1996. The death rate, according to Foreign Policy in Focus, sharply increased with the arrival of almost 8,400 American M-16 submachine guns (950 rpm) and U.S. advisers. Nepal is 85 percent rural and badly in need of land reform. Not surprisingly 42 % of its people live below the poverty level. (1,2)

In 2002, after another civil war erupted, President George W. Bush pushed a bill through Congress authorizing $20 million in military aid to the Nepalese government. (3)




Nicaragua

In 1981 the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza government in Nicaragua, (1) and until 1990 about 25,000 Nicaraguans were killed in an armed struggle between the Sandinista government and Contra rebels who were formed from the remnants of Somoza's national government. The use of assassination manuals by the Contras surfaced in 1984. (2,3)

The U.S. supported the victorious government regime by providing covert military aid to the Contras (anti-communist guerillas) starting in November, 1981. But when Congress discovered that the CIA had supervised acts of sabotage in Nicaragua without notifying Congress, it passed the Boland Amendment in 1983 which prohibited the CIA, Defense Department and any other government agency from providing any further covert military assistance. (4)

But ways were found to get around this prohibition. The National Security Council, which was not explicitly covered by the law, raised private and foreign funds for the Contras. In addition, arms were sold to Iran and the proceeds were diverted from those sales to the Contras engaged in the insurgency against the Sandinista government. (5) Finally, the Sandinistas were voted out of office in 1990 by voters who thought that a change in leadership would placate the U.S., which was causing misery to Nicaragua's citizenry by it support of the Contras.




Pakistan

In 1971 West Pakistan, an authoritarian state supported by the U.S., brutally invaded East Pakistan. The war ended after India, whose economy was staggering after admitting about 10 million refugees, invaded East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and defeated the West Pakistani forces. (1)

Millions of people died during that brutal struggle, referred to by some as genocide committed by West Pakistan. That country had long been an ally of the U.S., starting with $411 million provided to establish its armed forces which spent 80% of its budget on its military. $15 million in arms flowed into W. Pakistan during the war. (2,3,4)

Three sources estimate that 3 million people died and (5,2,6) one source estimates 1.5 million. (3)




Panama

In December, 1989 U.S. troops invaded Panama, ostensibly to arrest Manuel Noriega, that nation's president. This was an example of the U.S. view that it is the master of the world and can arrest anyone it wants to. For a number of years before that he had worked for the CIA, but fell out of favor partially because he was not an opponent of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. (1) It has been estimated that between 500 and 4,000 people died. (2,3,4)

Paraguay: See South America: Operation Condor




Philippines

The Philippines were under the control of the U.S. for over a hundred years. In about the last 50 to 60 years the U.S. has funded and otherwise helped various Philippine governments which sought to suppress the activities of groups working for the welfare of its people. In 1969 the Symington Committee in the U.S. Congress revealed how war material was sent there for a counter-insurgency campaign. U.S. Special Forces and Marines were active in some combat operations. The estimated number of persons that were executed and disappeared under President Fernando Marcos was over 100,000. (1,2)




South America: Operation Condor

This was a joint operation of 6 despotic South American governments (Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay) to share information about their political opponents. An estimated 13,000 people were killed under this plan. (1)

It was established on November 25, 1975 in Chile by an act of the Interamerican Reunion on Military Intelligence. According to U.S. embassy political officer, John Tipton, the CIA and the Chilean Secret Police were working together, although the CIA did not set up the operation to make this collaboration work. Reportedly, it ended in 1983. (2)

On March 6, 2001 the New York Times reported the existence of a recently declassified State Department document revealing that the United States facilitated communications for Operation Condor. (3)




Sudan

Since 1955, when it gained its independence, Sudan has been involved most of the time in a civil war. Until about 2003 approximately 2 million people had been killed. It not known if the death toll in Darfur is part of that total.

Human rights groups have complained that U.S. policies have helped to prolong the Sudanese civil war by supporting efforts to overthrow the central government in Khartoum. In 1999 U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright met with the leader of the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) who said that she offered him food supplies if he would reject a peace plan sponsored by Egypt and Libya.

In 1978 the vastness of Sudan's oil reservers was discovered and within two years it became the sixth largest recipient of U.S, military aid. It's reasonable to assume that if the U.S. aid a government to come to power it will feel obligated to give the U.S. part of the oil pie.

A British group, Christian Aid, has accused foreign oil companies of complicity in the depopulation of villages. These companies - not American - receive government protection and in turn allow the government use of its airstrips and roads.

In August 1998 the U.S. bombed Khartoum, Sudan with 75 cruise míssiles. Our government said that the target was a chemical weapons factory owned by Osama bin Laden. Actually, bin Laden was no longer the owner, and the plant had been the sole supplier of pharmaceutical supplies for that poor nation. As a result of the bombing tens of thousands may have died because of the lack of medicines to treat malaria, tuberculosis and other diseases. The U.S. settled a lawsuit filed by the factory's owner. (1,2)

Uruguay: See South America: Operation Condor




Vietnam

In Vietnam, under an agreement several decades ago, there was supposed to be an election for a unified North and South Vietnam. The U.S. opposed this and supported the Diem government in South Vietnam. In August, 1964 the CIA and others helped fabricate a phony Vietnamese attack on a U.S. ship in the Gulf of Tonkin and this was used as a pretext for greater U.S. involvement in Vietnam. (1)

During that war an American assassination operation,called Operation Phoenix, terrorized the South Vietnamese people, and during the war American troops were responsible in 1968 for the mass slaughter of the people in the village of My Lai.

According to a Vietnamese government statement in 1995 the number of deaths of civilians and military personnel during the Vietnam War was 5.1 million. (2)

Since deaths in Cambodia and Laos were about 2.7 million (See Cambodia and Laos) the estimated total for the Vietnam War is 7.8 million.

The Virtual Truth Commission provides a total for the war of 5 million, (3) and Robert McNamara, former Secretary Defense, according to the New York Times Magazine says that the number of Vietnamese dead is 3.4 million. (4,5)




Yugoslavia

Yugoslavia was a socialist federation of several republics. Since it refused to be closely tied to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, it gained some suport from the U.S. But when the Soviet Union dissolved, Yugoslavia's usefulness to the U.S. ended, and the U.S and Germany worked to convert its socialist economy to a capitalist one by a process primarily of dividing and conquering. There were ethnic and religious differences between various parts of Yugoslavia which were manipulated by the U.S. to cause several wars which resulted in the dissolution of that country.

From the early 1990s until now Yugoslavia split into several independent nations whose lowered income, along with CIA connivance, has made it a pawn in the hands of capitalist countries. (1) The dissolution of Yugoslavia was caused primarily by the U.S. (2)

Here are estimates of some, if not all, of the internal wars in Yugoslavia. All wars: 107,000; (3,4)

Bosnia and Krajina: 250,000; (5) Bosnia: 20,000 to 30,000; (5) Croatia: 15,000; (6) and

Kosovo: 500 to 5,000. (7)

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Smrekar1 ::

tikitoki je izjavil:


Debata tece o tem, da domnevno Ruska mornarica brez Krima propade oz. se lahko kar ukine. According to Srekar an Zmaugy


Dvomim, da si uspel dojeti kaj sem napisal.

tikitoki ::

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tikitoki je izjavil:


Debata tece o tem, da domnevno Ruska mornarica brez Krima propade oz. se lahko kar ukine. According to Srekar an Zmaugy


Dvomim, da si uspel dojeti kaj sem napisal.


Mogoce ti ne dojemas kaj sem jaz napisal. Se pac ne strinjam s tem, da je Krim absolutno kljucnega pomena za njihovo mornarico, kar je med drugim ,tocno to, kar si ti napisal.

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konspirator ::

tikitoki je izjavil:

zmaugy je izjavil:

@tikitoki:
1. Glede "nove geografije" ti je odgovoril Smrekar.
2. Učinkovitost EU da se sooči z milijonom neoboroženih migrantov se je pokazala lani. Premisli kaj bi se zgodilo, če bi se Grčija ali Bolgarija soočila s turško vojsko.

Turčija nima izbire, na dolgi rok bo ali imperij ali pa je ne bo.


Je velika razlika med neoborozenimi begunci, migranti, ki jih zaradi vrednost ne morejo enostavno postreliti na meji, kot bi si zelili nekateri in vojaskim napadom na clanico EU, ki se se ni zgodil.

Se vedno obstaja dejstvo, da ima Rusija veliko drugih pomorskih baz in je cista laz, da bi njihova mornarica cez noc razpadla brez Krima. Sam so se morali privaditi tudi na svet v katerem nimajo kup satelitskih drzav. Fuck it:).

Če vsi rinejo v par Eu držav, lahko že končno nehaš opletati s predšolskimi zgodbicami o beguncih.
Tudi z demografijo se da osvajati države, in to Ahmedi s pridom počno v Eu - na stroške države, ki jih gosti.

Smrekar1 ::

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US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 "Victim Nations" Since World War II


Če seveda šteješ vse žrtve vojn po svetu in jih pripišeš Američanom. Sploh zabavna je Korejska vojna, kjer avtor nekritično povzema stališča Korejske Delavske Stranke. Sploh zabavno pa je, da so za krvavo zatiranje Madžarske pomladi očitno krive kar ZDA. To še zdaleč niso edine težave s člankom, samo nekaj točk, ki so mi padle v oči. Odličen prispevek je tudi o Jugoslaviji, kjer da se je vojna začela zato, ker je SZ razpadla in ni bila več uporabna za ZDA, zato so jo sabotirali.
Za naše neznalčke, vojna v Jugoslaviji se je uradno začela 25.6.1991, posamezni spopadi so takrat trajali že več kot leto dni, razpad SZ se je začel 20.8.1991 (rjavosrajčniki so sicer izvajali operacije od začetka leta, cilj je bil ustrahovati nekatere zvezne republike) razpadla je do konca leta.

Citiranje tako očitno idiotskega članka pove precej o inteligenci tistega, ki ga je citiral.

tikitoki je izjavil:


Mogoce ti ne dojemas kaj sem jaz napisal. Se pac ne strinjam s tem, da je Krim absolutno kljucnega pomena za njihovo mornarico, kar je med drugim ,tocno to, kar si ti napisal.


Saj je absolutno ključnega pomena. Samo tako bistven ni, da brez njega ne bi mogli imeti mornarice.

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Torej če povzamemo vse kar se je v tem letu zgodilo in kar se tesno zadeva Evrope.
Še vedno se vse države medtem naglas strinjajo, da je skupni sovražnik vsem, IS. Ampak se okoli nas vseeno dogajajo stvari, ki nimajo popolnoma nobene veze z IS.

1. Najprej problem z migranti in sporazum s Turčijo, ki se bo kot kaže slabo končal. Erdogan se je odločil za vladanje s trdo roko in bodo po vsej verjetnosti sprejeli smrtno kazen. Evropa je strogo proti takim dejanjem in tukaj pride do prvega resnega nesporazuma. Erdogan ima trenutno v rokah zmagovalne karte (vize za Turke ali pa migrante v EU).


2. NATO pošlje na mejo z Rusijo 4000 vojakov, vključno s 30 slovenskimi vojaki. Precej hinavsko, glede na to, da Putina vabimo v Slovenijo, da bi z Rusijo okrepili odnose, hkrati pa na njihovo mejo pošiljamo vojake.
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vrh-nata-slov...


3. Erdogan se zaradi nestrinjanja z zahodno politiko in čedalje večjega prepada med Evropo in ZDA, trudi okrepit odnose z Rusi zaradi sestreljenega letala.
https://www.rt.com/news/354990-erdogan-...


4. Nemčija uvede nov načrt za civilno zaščito. Pripravljajo si zaloge hrane, pitne vode in goriva. Vedno ko so ljudem govorili naj ne delajo nobene panike in da nič ni, so bile na koncu stvari še hujše od predvidenih. Če ni nevarnosti, se ne pripravljaš in delaš zalog - dejstvo.
http://4d.rtvslo.si/arhiv/prispevki-in-...


5. Temu naj bi sedaj sledila še Češka Republika. Uradnega vira razen parih namigov o tem še ni.
http://www.infowars.com/report-czech-go...


6. Naši severni sosedi nam ne zaupajo več, zato pospešeno gradijo ograjo.
http://www.delo.si/svet/sosescina/avstr...


Torej če vsemu temu zgoraj pravimo, da nič ni in naj ne delamo panike.. Kaj si vi mislite o tem?
Se gre morda za prenaseljenost planeta? Se končno bližamo točki, kjer se bomo(bodo) odločali katera "polovica" prebivalstva preživi?


Ali pa se morda bliža konec kapitalizma, kjer na eni strani vladata moč in denar, na drugi pa lakota in kriminal?


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