Svoboda izražanja

Ja, ponavadi se na koncu izkažejo/pokažejo zelo čudne stvari.
Tole ni bilo prvič.
Take zadeve si velja zapomniti.

Obreganje ob medijske omejitve v rusiji, cenzuro in podobno, je v tem kontekstu predvsem iskanje krivde za lastne napake pri nekom drugem. Zaradi "grdega govorjenja" na spletu je bilo Lani tako v rusiji pridrzanih cca 400 ljudi. Zaradi podobnih grehov jih je bilo v UK pozaprtih cca 4200. Rusija ima 140 uk pa 67 mio prebivalcev. Na super demokraticnem zahodo torej ni ravno roznata slika glede clovekovih svoboscin in pravic. Se slabsa podoba je ce pogledamo raven objektivnosti porocanja medijev. Vse trditve uradnih medijev v zadnjem letu in pol so se izkazale kot cista laz, polresnca ali zavajanje. Najprej je bila to vehementna podpora sankcijam, za katere so trdili da bojo unicile rusko gospodarstvo in rubelj se bo sesul v prah. Trenutno belezi rusija gospodarsko rast, vecjo od nemcije, pa je rusija pod najhujsimi sankcijami zahoda. Ali vrli voditelji nimajo pojma kaj sprejemajo, ali pa zavestno sprejemajo ukrepe na skodo eu. V obeh primerih bi se spodobilo, da se jih za vedno odstrani in javnega zivljanja in ustrezno institucionaliza. Laganje je nacin komunikacije, ki nam jo prodajajo ze vec kot 3 leta. Skrajni cas bi bil, da se groteskna predstava norosti konca.

FireSnake je 23. avg 2023 ob 17:04 izjavil:

nejclp je 22. avg 2023 ob 19:33 izjavil:

FireSnake je 22. avg 2023 ob 18:15 izjavil:

nejclp je 22. avg 2023 ob 15:04 izjavil:

luclucluc je 22. avg 2023 ob 14:17 izjavil:

>podaj vir
>že v štiridesetih je...

Abaoluten waste kisika.

Ja, v štiridesetih.
Kinsey scale @ Wikipedia

11.6% of white males aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[13] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[13]

Čakaj:
1) Govoriš o usekih in posplošuješ na ves svet
2) Tvoj vir je pedofil (ki bi jih bilo, po moje, najbolje kastrirati - otroke je treba zaščititi)

Ali to dvoje drži ali se motim?
Lahko potrdiš, prosim?

1) Kaj so to useki? Misliš američani? Odkod pa tebi podatek? Kakšna ruska raziskava ali kako? Saj nisem napisal, da sem iz tega vira navedel cifro, od tukajle sem pobral oceno, ne koliko se jih identificira, da so geji ampak najverjetnejši delež homoseksualnih. Kinseya sem omenil naknadno, ker je on že v štiridesetih govoril o 10%, pa takrat ni bilo kakšne blazne gey propagande in (sinhroniziranih) risank. Zakaj te pa teh 10% tako zelo moti? A misliš, da če bo cifra nižja, bo manj nevarnosti, da si ti gej, ali kako?

2) Moj vir je pedofil? Misliš Kinsey? No ja, tale vaša borka za tradicionalne vrednote Judith Reisman, je tudi na sploh izjemno kredibilna ženska, ki je objektivno ugotovila tudi, da so za vzpon hitlerjevih nacionalsocialistov in holokavst zaslužni geji.

Hvala za 2x da, da si potrdil (ker negiral nisi, zato povzemam, da si potrdil).
Hvala, to je vse, kar sem rabil, da sem pomirjen.

Kaj sem pa potrdil? In kaj naj bi zanikal?

kosi dojenčkov v hladilniku?

nejclp je 24. avg 2023 ob 14:52 izjavil:

Ponavadi se izkaže, da je večina pedofilov desnjakarjev. Za to pa nočejo spolne vzgoje v šolah, da so otroci dovolj naivni, da jih lahko zlorabljajo.

Hm, malo sem poguglal za muslimanska posilstva otrok in mladoletnih. Sicer na poročilih tega ni zaznati, ampak je precej razširjeno.
Telford child sexual exploitation scandal @ Wikipedia
Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal @ Wikipedia
Aylesbury child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Banbury child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Bristol child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Derby child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Halifax child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Huddersfield grooming gang @ Wikipedia
Keighley child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Newcastle sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Oxford child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia
Peterborough sex abuse case @ Wikipedia
Rochdale child sex abuse ring @ Wikipedia

Zgornji primeri so samo za Anglijo. Je pa še ogromno priemerov drugje, kjer živijo velike islamske skupnosti, npr. Belgija, Francija, Nemčija. Švedska, Avstralija.....

Če pa bi vključili še posilstva, pa lahko govorimo o pravi epidemiji. Sicer pa, poglejmo malo imena teh pedofilov.

Name Age Charges
Mohammed Imran 38 Rape, conspiracy to rape and child prostitution
Akbari Khan 36 Rape, administering a substance with intent and conspiracy to rape
Arshad Jani 33 Rape and conspiracy to rape
Vikram Singh 45 Rape and administering a substance with intent
Asif Hussain 33 Rape
Taimoor Khan 29 sexual activity with a child

Name Age Charges
Ahmed Hassan-Sule 21 Found guilty of 13 counts of sexual activity with a child and one count of assault by penetration[2]
Mohamed Saleh 22 Found guilty of two counts of sexual activity with a child[2]
Said Saleh 20 Found guilty of one count of sexual activity with a child[2]
Kagiso Manase 21 Found guilty of three counts of sexual activity with a child, two counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and one count of sexual assault[2]
Takudzwa Hova 21 Found guilty of one count of rape, one count of sexual activity with a child and two counts of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity[2]
Zsolt Szaltoni 18 Found guilty of one charge of rape[3]

Perpetrator Conviction Sentence
Liban "Leftback" Abdi aged 21 Paying for sexual services of a child, admitted supplying cocaine and heroin, admitted a separate charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm to a prison officer. 13 years and 8 months
Mustapha "Greens" Farah aged 20 Paying for sexual services of a child, admitted supplying her with heroin and cocaine. 13 years
Arafat "Left Eye" Osman aged 20 Paying for sexual services of a child, admitted supplying her with heroin and cocaine. 13 years
Idleh "Sniper" Osman aged 21 Facilitating child prostitution, admitted supplying heroin and cocaine. 10 years
Abdulahi "Trigger" Aden aged 20 Rape, possession of indecent pictures of a child, supplying heroin and cocaine. 13 years
Mustafa Deria aged 22 Rape 7 years and 6 months
Said "Target" Zakaria Rape, supplying heroin and cocaine 11+5 years
Mohamed "Deeq" Jumale Rape, sexual activity with a child, aiding and abetting Omar Jumale in sexual activity with a child. 10 years[8]
Jusuf "Starns" Abdirizak Rape 7.5 years
Sakariah "Zac" Sheik Rape 4 years
Abdirashid "Abs" Abdulahi Rape 4 years
Omar Jumale Sexual activity with a child 2 years
Mohamed "Kamal" Dahir Child prostitution 2 years

Name Conviction[1][2]
Abid Mohammed Saddique Rape, sexual assault, sexual activity with a child, perverting the course of justice, aiding and abetting rape, false imprisonment, making indecent images of children
Mohammed Romaan Liaqat Rape, sexual assault, aiding and abetting rape, affray, sexual activity with a child, making indecent images of children
Akshay Kumar Making indecent images of children
Faisal Mehmood Sexual activity with a child
Mohammed Imran Rehman Rape

Number Name Age Conviction Sentence
1 Razwan Razaq 30 Sexual activity with a child 11 years[134]
2 Umar Razaq 24 Sexual activity with a child 4 years, 6 months (later reduced on appeal)
3 Zafran Ramzan 21 Rape, sexual activity with a child 9 years
4 Mohsin Khan 21 Sexual activity with a child 4 years
5 Adil Hussain 20 Sexual activity with a child 4 years

Forename Surname Age Of Charges
Bilal Ziarab 21 Bradford 12 years for two counts of rape.
Faisal Khan 27 Keighley 13 years for one count of rape.
Hussain Sardar 19 Keighley 6 years in a young offenders’ institution for one count of rape.
Israr Ali 19 Keighley 3-and-half-years in a young offenders’ institution for one count of rape.
Khalid Raja Mahmood 34 Keighley 17-year extended sentence for two charges of rape and three charges of sexual activity with a child.
Mohammed Akram 63 Keighley 5 years for one count of sexual activity with a child.
Nasir Khan 24 Keighley 13 years for one count of rape.
Saqib Younis 29 Keighley 13 years for one count of rape.
Sufyan Ziarab 23 Keighley 15 years for two counts of rape.
Tauqeer Hussain 23 Keighley 18 years for two counts of rape against the first victim and one rape against another teenage girl.
Yasser Kabir 25 Keighley 20 years for three counts of rape against the first victim and four charges of rape, two charges of sexual assault, two charges of assault by penetration and four charges of causing a child to engage in sexual activity against two young girls.
Zain Ali 20 Keighley 8 years in a young offenders’ institution for one count of rape.

Forename Surname Age Of Charges
Mohammed Azram 35 Croydon Road Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, sexual assault, supplying drugs to a victim
Jahangir Zaman 43 Hadrian Road Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, rape, supplying drugs to a victim
Nashir Uddin 35 Joan Street Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, supplying drugs to a victim
Saiful Islam 34 Strathmore Crescent Convicted of rape. Jailed for 10 years
Mohammed Hassan Ali 33 Bentinck Street Convicted of sexual activity with a child, supplying drugs to a victim. Jailed for seven years
Yasser Hussain 27 Canning Street Convicted of beating, possession of drugs. Jailed for two years
Abdul Sabe 40 Dean House Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation, drugs offences
Habibur Rahim 34 Kenilworth Road Convicted of causing or inciting prostitution, drugs, sexual assault, trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation
Badrul Hussain 37 Drybeck Court Convicted of drug offences
Mohibur Rahman 44 Northcote Street Pleaded guilty to conspiracy to incite prostitution, supplying drugs to a victim
Abdulhamid Minoyee 33 Gainsborough Grove Convicted of rape, sexual assault, supply of drugs
Carolann Gallon 22 Hareside Court Pleaded guilty to three counts of trafficking
Monjour Choudhury 33 Phillip Place Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, supplying drugs to a victim
Prabhat Nelli 33 Sidney Grove Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, supplying drugs to a victim
Eisa Mousavi 41 Todds Nook Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, rape, supplying drugs to a victim
Taherul Alam 32 Normanton Terrace Convicted of conspiracy to incite prostitution, supplying drugs to a victim, attempted sexual assault
Nadeem Aslam 43 Belle Grove West Convicted of supplying drugs to victims
Redwan Siddquee 32 West Road Pleaded guilty to supply or offering to supply a class B drug. Jailed for 16 months

Forename Surname Age Of Charges
Kamar Jamil 27 Summertown, Oxford Found guilty of five counts of rape, two counts of conspiracy to rape and one count of arranging child prostitution.
Akhtar Dogar 32 East Oxford Found guilty of five counts of rape, three counts of conspiracy to rape, two counts of child prostitution and one count of trafficking.
Anjum Dogar 31 East Oxford Found guilty of three counts of rape, two counts of child prostitution, three counts of conspiracy to rape and one count of trafficking.
Assad Hussain 32 Rose Hill, Oxford Found guilty of two counts of sexual activity with a child.
Mohammed Karrar 38 Cowley Found guilty of two counts of conspiracy to rape, four counts of rape of a child, one count of using an instrument to procure miscarriage, two counts of trafficking, one count of assault of a child by penetration, two counts of child prostitution, three counts of rape, two counts of conspiracy to rape a child and one count of supplying a class A drug.
Bassam Karrar 33 Cowley Found guilty of two counts of rape, one count of rape of a child, two counts of conspiracy to rape a child, two counts of child prostitution, one count of trafficking and one count of conspiracy to rape.
Zeeshan Ahmed 27 Wood Farm, Oxford Found guilty of two counts of sexual activity with a child and perverting the court of justice.
Bilal Ahmed 27 Maidenhead Found guilty of serious sexual assault.
Mustafa Ahmed 26 London Found guilty of sexual assault.
Assad Hussain 37 Iffley Road, Oxford Found guilty of five counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault.
Moinul Islam 42 Wykeham Crescent, Oxford Found guilty of rape, two counts of indecent assault and supplying cannabis.
Kameer Iqbal 39 Dashwood Road, Oxford Found guilty of guilty of three counts of rape.
Khalid Hussain 38 Ashhurst Way, Oxford Found guilty of rape and indecent assault.
Alladitta Yousaf 38 Bodley Road, Oxford Found guilty of indecent assault.
Haji Khan 38 Littlegreen Lane, Birmingham Found guilty of conspiracy to rape.
Kamran Khan 36 Northfield Road, Bolton Found guilty of indecent assault and false imprisonment.
Raheem Ahmed 40 Starwort Path, Oxford Found guilty of four counts of indecent assault, false imprisonment and supplying a class B drug.
Naim Khan 38 Herschel Crescent, Oxford Found guilty of eight counts of rape, seven counts of indecent assault and one count of supplying a class B drug.
Mohammed Nazir 42 Wood Farm, Oxford Found guilty of seven counts of rape, eight counts of indecent assault and one count of supplying a class B drug.
Tilal Madhi 36 Friars Street, Hereford Found guilty of two counts of conspiracy to rape a girl under 16, conspiracy to indecently assault a girl under 16, one count of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation and one count of arranging or facilitating child prostitution of a child under the age of 18 years.
Salik Miah 34 Ferry Hinksey Road, West Oxford Found guilty of one count of conspiracy to rape, two counts of rape and one count of arranging or facilitating child prostitution.
Azad Miah 37 Riverside Court, Oxford Found guilty of one count of conspiracy to rape, two counts of rape and one count of arranging or facilitating child prostitution.

Name Age Crimes
Hassan Abdulla 34 Four counts of rape, and three counts of sexual activity with a child.
Renato Balog 19 Five counts of rape and four counts of sexual assault.
Jan Kandrac 18 Rape and two counts of sexual touching.
Yasir Ali 29 Four counts of rape, seven counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, two counts of making indecent images of children, one count of engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child and one count of intimidation of a witness/juror.
Daaim Ashraf 20 Five counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, one count of sexual assault, one count of sexual activity with a child, one count of sexual activity in the presence of a child, and one count of intimidation of a witness/juror.
Mohammed Abbas 30 Two counts of sexual assault on a girl aged under 12 and two counts of sexual activity with a child.
'Unnamed Child' 14 Sexual activity with a child.
Muhammed Waqas 24 Sexual activity with a girl aged between 13 and 15.
Zdeno Mirga 18 Inciting child prostitution, eight counts of rape and four counts of sexual activity with a child.
Mohammed Khubaib 43 Rape and grooming offences.

Name Age Conviction Sentence
Ahdel Ali 25 "one charge of rape, 11 charges of sexual activity with a child, three charges of controlling child prostitution, one of inciting child prostitution, a charge of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and meeting a child after grooming" 18 years[4]
Mubarek "Max" Ali 29 "four charges of controlling child prostitution, two of trafficking in the UK for sexual exploitation and a charge of causing child prostitution" 14 years[4]
Mohammed Islam Choudhrey 54 "paying for sex with a Telford schoolgirl" 2 years 6 months[4]
Mohammed Ali Sultan 26 "having sex with two teenage girls, one of whom was 13 years old" 7 years[4]
Mohammed Younis 61 "allowing his flat to be used as a brothel by allowing a man to have sex with a girl who was being controlled as a prostitute" 2 years 6 months[4]
Mahroof Khan 35 "having sex with a 15-year-old girl" 2 years 6 months[4]
Tanveer Ahmed 40 "controlling a child prostitute" 2 years 6 months

Name Age Conviction Sentence
Amjad Hussain 38 Indecent assault 4 years 6 months
Mohammad Rizwan 37 Indecent assault 5 years 6 months
Mohammed Ali Sultan 33 Rape and three counts of indecent assault Eight years with an extended licence of two years

Forename Surname Age Of Charges
Aesan Pervez 27 Halifax 4 years. Convicted by a jury after a trial at Leeds Crown Court on one charge of sexual assault on the girl[17]
Aftab Hussain 37 Halifax 6 years for sexual activity with a child
Amaar Ali Ditta 27 Halifax 9 years for sexual activity with a child
Azeem Subhani 25 Halifax 9 years for sexual activity with a child
Furqaan Ghafar 31 Derby 5 years and three months after he admitted one charge of sexual activity with a child.[17]
Haaris Ahmed 32 Halifax 12 and a half years for sexual activity with a child and supplying class B drugs
Haider Ali 41 Halifax 20 years for sexual activity with a child and causing a person to engage in sexual activity
Hedar Ali 36 Bradford 25 years for rape and trafficking for sexual exploitation
Khalid Zaman 38 Bradford 17 and a half years for rape and supplying class B drugs
Mansoor Akhtar 25 Huddersfield 6 years for sexual activity with a child and supplying Class B drugs
Mohammed Ramzan 35 Bradford 15 years for rape
Mohammed Ali Ahmed 43 Halifax 6 and a half years for sexual activity with a child
Sikander Malik 31 Halifax 7 years for sexual activity with a child
Sikander Ishaq 31 Halifax 6 years for sexual activity with a child
Tahir Mahmood 43 Halifax 11 years for sexual activity with a child and sexual assault
Talib Saddiq 31 Halifax 8 years for sexual activity with a child
Taukeer Butt 31 Halifax 10 years for sexual activity with a child

Forename Surname Age Of Charges
Saeed Akhtar 55 Bradford 20 years for two counts of inciting child prostitution and rape
Basharat Khaliq 38 Bradford 20 years for five counts of rape and assault by penetration
Parvaze Ahmed 36 Bradford 17 years for three counts of rape
Naveed Akhtar 43 Bradford 17 years for two counts of rape
Kieran Harris 28 Dewsbury 17 years for two counts of rape
Mohammed Usman 31 Bradford 17 years for two counts of rape
Izar Hussain 32 Bradford 16 years for rape and attempted rape
Faheem Iqbal 27 No fixed abode 7 years for aiding and abetting rape
Zeeshan Ali 32 Bradford 18 months for sexual assault

nejclp je 24. avg 2023 ob 15:27 izjavil:

Noro, pa sami tapravi desnjakarski islamistični verski fundamentalisti, anede?

No, meni ni tako smešno kakor tebi, da bi pokal cinične enovrstičnice.

Vem pa nekaj, nad temi pedofili so precej bolj navdušeni na levi kakor na desni strani.

nejclp je 24. avg 2023 ob 16:46 izjavil:

Ne, pomoje ste navdušeni predvsem na desni, glede nato, da lahko to potem uporabljate za širjenje sovraštva do vseh muslimanov. Komično mi pa je, ja, da na mojo trditev reagiraš tako, da greš guglat specifično muslimane. Kakšna pa je razlika med muslimanskim in krščanskim pedofilom?

V tem da Mohamed to odobrava, Jezus pa vsaj v teoriji ne =)

Čaki, a smo že tako daleč, da so nasprotiniki pedofilov že kar rasisti? Odlično, čisto malo še manjka.

Mato989 je 24. avg 2023 ob 16:50 izjavil:

V tem da Mohamed to odobrava, Jezus pa vsaj v teoriji ne =)

No ja, bi se dalo diskutirati.... :

31:18

So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.

Drugace bi me zanimalo kje tocno to odobrava Mohamed?

Zgleda je bil Mohamed bolj desen, Jezus je bil pa itak levičar, saj zato so ga pribili na križ.

WizzardOfOZ je 24. avg 2023 ob 19:50 izjavil:

Čaki, a smo že tako daleč, da so nasprotiniki pedofilov že kar rasisti? Odlično, čisto malo še manjka.

Če ločiš pedofile po barvi kože si itak rasist. Po definiciji.

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:22 izjavil:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:15 izjavil:

Kje pa ne? Koliko je bila njegova "žena" stara ??? Zgledi vlečejo.

Pac tam tam je z RKC. RKC bi pac v dolocenih primerih vse pobili in si vzeli vse device zase. To pa je praviloma kar starostni razpon.

Bolj ugovarjam, da tega ni pri RKC. Pri RKC bi znalo biti, da je tega delezen vsak, ki se bori na pravi strani in ima malo "srece". Je menda kar huje, kot pa, da je bila v zakon prodana samo ena punca in se to s konsenzom njene druzine.

Ce ze hoces primerjati mi glede na to kar si dal kot primer RKC deluje bolj usekan.

Nima veze, ti si vprašal kje Mohamed to propagira... Kje pa je Jezus to propagiral?

Tako Jezus kot Mohamed sta bojda hodila po Zemlji zato sta primerljiva kar sta propagirala... in kazala s svojimi dejanji... je Alah hodil po Svetu?

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:32 izjavil:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:29 izjavil:

Tako Jezus kot Mohamed sta bojda hodila po Zemlji zato sta primerljiva kar sta propagirala... in kazala s svojimi dejanji... je Alah hodil po Svetu?

Ne vem kaj bi rad? Obe veri sta pac tako usekani kakor beres. Naceloma je Alah lahko hodil po svetu. Pri teh domislijskih zadevah je ja vse mozno.

Samo tezko bos rekel, da RKC ni podobno usekan ce ne bos ignoriral dolocenih delov napisanega.

Pa ne opravicujem muslimanske vere, samo, da reces da elementov takih in podobnih grozot ni v RKC svetih pismih samo kaze na tvojo klasicno nerazgledanost.

Pa kje sem jaz napisal to, jaz sem ti odgovoril na tvoje vprašanje kje je Mohamed to propagiral... to je vse.

Nisem sploh omenil Islama in RKC... samo Mohameda ki je glasnik Islama in ga Isma loverji upoštevajo in jim je zgled.

Mato989 je 24. avg 2023 ob 16:50 izjavil:

V tem da Mohamed to odobrava, Jezus pa vsaj v teoriji ne =)

To. Sem ti pac spoonfedal, da Jezus ni enak job kot Mohamed in da je tisti, ki je pri RKC imel ta job bil zelo podoben ali pa celo hujsi. Ce ne verjames se enkrat pozorno preberi kar sem citiral.

Utk je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:35 izjavil:

https://nova24tv.si/svet/peterson-dokon...

Bom nalašč dal link od nove24, da vam bo nekaterim šel še bolj na živce. Pa da vidimo ali vidite tudi vsebino ali samo poštarja.

Točno tako, svoboda ni nikaršna svoboda če si prisiljen v nekaj. Ali je to cenzura govora, ali obvezni "prostovoljni" prispevki ali celo obvezno pranje možganov otrokom. Vse to ali še več v novi demokraciji, ki se pod pretvezo svobode oklepa fašističnov ukrepov.

Nikoli si nisem da bo fašizem zmagal po drugi svetovni vojni, ampak očitno se je lepo prepakiral v krinko demokracije.

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:39 izjavil:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Če verjamemo besedilu je Jezus hodil okrog kot prerok Mohamed in delal "čudeže" tako da v efektivi je enako...

Ce poznas besedilo in definicije ves, da ni enako. Kaj to se poizkusas izmotati, da RKC ni enako slab ali slabsi, ker Jezus tega ni rekel direktno?

Ne, oboji so gnoji, samo ti si vprašal kje je Mohamed propagiral tole kar sem ti pokazal da je z dejanji lastnimi to je vse.

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:50 izjavil:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:40 izjavil:

Ne, oboji so gnoji, samo ti si vprašal kje je Mohamed propagiral tole kar sem ti pokazal da je z dejanji lastnimi to je vse.

Ni propagiral. RKC pa dovoli dosti sirse. Pa da ne govorimo, da v isti sapi pove, da pobijes vse fantke, zenske, moske tako ali tako... Skratka vse razen devic vseh starosti.

Je kar razlika med tem, da je Mohamed dobil za zeno tisto menda sedem letno, ce se prav spomnem, prevzel pri desetih letih s soglasjem starsev. Se mi ne da iskati kako je ze bilo. Ali pa, da lahko, ce sledis "tapravega" pobijes vse in zase vzames tiste device katere najdes med prezivelimi. Verjetno imas z vojsko ginekologa, da preveri, ce moras ubiti ali vzeti za igracko.

No glede tega RKC in Islam sta identična... ampak spet jaz ne govorim o Islamu ampak o Mohamedu za katerega si ti vprašal kej je to propagiral... jaz sem ti povedal z dejanji... če maš ti nekoga za preroka potem se ti njegova dejanja ne zdijo sporna in jih povzemaš... to je vse on pa z takim delovanjem sporoča kaj je moralno ok.

Jaz nisem nič opravičeval RKC niti Mojzesa niti Jezusa samo povedal sem ti da je Mohamed to propagiral neposredno z lastnimi dejanji... ti pa mešaš not cel RKC...

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 09:56 izjavil:

Ne, ker ce nekaj sme prerok, to ne pomeni, da smes ti.

Pri RKC pa si lahko delezen tega luksuza tudi ti! Potrjeno skozi sveto pismo. Se prej pa dobis zeleno luc ali pa celo zahtevo, do pokoljes vse fantke, nedevice, moske tako ali tako in zase vzames kar najdes devic.

Skratka, ni identicno. RKC pa mesam, ker si dal kot primerjavo, da je kvazi boljse v klasicnem populisticnem nevednem smislu, ko taki kot si ti primerjate religije.

Pa niti nisem nek teolog, to so neke osnovne zanimivosti.

Kaj smem in ne smem itak predpisuje zakonodaja... tako da to ni problem, problem je kaj moralno Mohamed predstavlja... s svojimi dejanji... in spet jaz sem ti govoril kje to promovira z dejanji nič drugega... ker si vprašal.

Če ti imaš Mohameda za "svetega" preroka, potem se ti ne zdi sporno nič kar je počel.

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:12 izjavil:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:01 izjavil:

Kaj smem in ne smem itak predpisuje zakonodaja... tako da to ni problem, problem je kaj moralno Mohamed predstavlja... s svojimi dejanji... in spet jaz sem ti govoril kje to promovira z dejanji nič drugega... ker si vprašal.

Če ti imaš Mohameda za "svetega" preroka, potem se ti ne zdi sporno nič kar je počel.

Zakoni veljajo za vse. Pac ti si posmehovalno primerjal v stilu, da je Islam v teoriji slabsi. Ampak zal je diskutabilno. In te niti ne resi detajl, da tega ni povedal Jezus, ker je napisano v svetem pismu s strani enokovrednega preroka Mohamedu, nadzor pa ima seveda vedno in povsod domislijsko bitje, ki je CEO vseh prerokov. Ce pa bos Muslimane kritiziral zaradi tega posrednega promoviranja takrat legalne in splosno sprejete prakse, je v kontekstu kjer potem izpostavis kako naj bi bil RKC boljsi pac treba povedati, da RKC bolj direktno, proti volji njih in starsev, dovoli to in v isti sapi umor fantkov, fantov, nenedolznih punc(takrat dosti mlade, verjetno podobno kot pri Mohamedu), moskih, starejsih zensk ...

Mato989 je 24. avg 2023 ob 16:50 izjavil:

V tem da Mohamed to odobrava, Jezus pa vsaj v teoriji ne =)

Pac ce hoces tehtati na ta nacin vprasanje, ce tvoja fantazija ali pa povzetek kaksnega neukega populista drzijo vodo.

Drugace pa nisem clan nobene religije, nobene stranke, nobenega gibanja, tako, da se bos tezko tolazil, da sem smotan, ker sem clan tega ali onega in nekaj slepo verjamem.

Ne, muslimane kritizram ker dovoljuje šeriatsko pravo kot del Islama ki je politično in posega na represivno pravo suverene države.... to je moja kritika muslimanom... drugo kar kritiziram muslimane je to da doktirnirajo ljudi (ženske) v neko prisilno oblačenje ki ni skladno v zahodnih državah in potem tu protestirajo češ kao svoboda vere, hkrati pa se požvižgajo na svobodo vere ko zahtevajo pokrivanje žensk turist v svojih deželah...

Še bolj od teh pa kritiziram MORONE v Evropi ki temu ploskajo in suportirajo in se postavijo na njihovo stran.

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:50 izjavil:

Temu niti ne bi nujno ugovarjal, je pac politicno stalisce. Samo argumentacija, kjer primerjas religije ne kaze, da bi imel o tej temi kaj dosti znanja, kar pa je nekako tvoja klasika.

Katere primere uveljavljanja seriatskega prava in posegov v druge suverene drzave imas v mislih?

Kdo v Evropi naj bi podpiral, da se zenske pokrivajo?

Poglej si Trst kot zadnji primer... Županja je rekla da bo v veljavi odlok ki ne dovoljuje kopanja žensk v burkinijih... to je tak klasičen primer ko Islamsko "pravo" oz predpisi in zahteve vere vplivajo na pravno politično ureditev znotraj EU države(preko protestov tudi nasilnih sicer ne v tem priemru)...

Vsak belec in Evropejec ki se je pridružil temu protestu deluje dejansko za Islam in proti pravni suvereni oblasti... in bi jih jaz izgnal naj to počenejo v obratni smeri sredi SavdskeBarabije če upajo.

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:53 izjavil:

Poglej si Trst kot zadnji primer... Županja je rekla da bo v veljavi odlok ki ne dovoljuje kopanja žensk v burkinijih... to je tak klasičen primer ko Islamsko "pravo" oz predpisi in zahteve vere vplivajo na pravno politično ureditev znotraj EU države...

Ampak nihce ne zahteva, da se kdo kopa oblecen, zahteva je obratna s strani politikov tvoje barve v tej tematiki.

To je nekoliko smesno, da tvoj politik prepove, da se kdo kopa v burkiniju, in potem je to zate argument, da muslimani vsiljujejo svoje pravo, ker taki kot ti pisete zakone proti njim.

nejclp je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:57 izjavil:

Ja, desnjakarji so globalni problem. Absolutno je treba podpirati levičarska gibanja, ko bo med muslimani dovolj levičarjev, se bo tudi kaj spremenilo.

Vecina se nas ne strinja niti s tabo niti z matotom. Podpirati leva gibanja, ki so deloma postala totalno usekana, pac ne gre.

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 11:04 izjavil:

Ne to je samo recipročnost... v Savdski Barabiji se mora ženska pokrit ipd... tukaj pa pač zahtevamo da se odkrije ker je to bilo od nekdaj tako... ni bilo uzakonjeno ker dokelr ni prišel Islam gor je bilo vsem samoumevno biti v kopalkah...

A tako, Muslimini nam vsiljujejo svoje pravo na nasem kontinentu s tem, ko lokalne politike posredno silijo v sprejemanje protimuslimanskih zakonov?

Ampak ne vem, ce to stima s tem kar si pisal, ker:

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 10:42 izjavil:

Ne, muslimane kritizram ker dovoljuje šeriatsko pravo kot del Islama ki je politično in posega na represivno pravo suverene države.... to je moja kritika muslimanom...

Torej posega v "represivno pravo suverene države" na nacin, da suverena drzava pise zakone proti njim? Torej tvoja kritika je, da posegajo v naso pravno drzavo s tem, da lokalni politiki pisejo zakone proti njim?

V tvoji glavi je pa malo cuden party?

Mato989 je 25. avg 2023 ob 11:04 izjavil:

Če občina reče da po mestu ne smeš v bikinkah na plažo pa ne v burkiniju je to to... nima noben Kristijan ali Islam lover meni drkat po mestu karkoli ali pa naj spizdi.

Ampak problem je, ce je prepoved bikinija za to, ker je nekdo vsiljeval nosenje bikinija in je s tem vsiljeval pravni red proti bikinijem?

Ce je zakon, da je vse dovoljeno in vsak oblece kar hoce pa je to idealno, ker nihce ni direktno lobiral za zakon v svojo koristi niti indirektno proti svoji koristi. Slednje pravis, da ni OK, tako da bi v bistvu morali Muslimani izsilit, da se ne prepove burk? Je to nekje Mato lokiga na visku?

TheBlueOne je 25. avg 2023 ob 11:00 izjavil:

Vecina se nas ne strinja niti s tabo niti z matotom. Podpirati leva gibanja, ki so deloma postala totalno usekana, pac ne gre.

No, ti nekako misliš, da lahko govoriš v imenu večine, jaz pač izražam zgolj svoje mnenje, in me niti najmanj ne zanima, če se kdo strinja z mano ali ne.

Ko bojo šli muslimani woke in bojo njihovi fundamentalisti zgolj nemočno lapali, da bo zaradi tega, ker se moški poročajo med sabo, ljudje spol spreminjajo, ženske zasedajo vodstvene funkcije etc. konec njihove civilizacije, se to ne bo zgodilo zaradi pobud vaših muslimanskih kameradov na desni.

Ce bos gledal za nazaj si povedal, da muslimani silijo svoje pravo v svobodne drzave, da te ne se enkrat citiram.

Seveda silijov lokalno skupnost... kaj pa je burkini na plaži kot posladica verske zahteve musličev nad ženskami sredi Trsta...

Če musličev ne bi bilo burkinijev ne bi bilo in prepoved ne bi bila potrebna... kako potem ne sili muslimansko versko pravo v EU države?

Če si mislil da s tem mislim na pravni okvir potem se seveda motiš (zaenkrat dokler ni večine) ampak jaz govorim o efektu na ulici...

Če misliš da to kar pišem ne drži pomisli če bi dovolili sredi atarja ali Savdske Barabije križe krščanske pa Cerkev ki zvoni ob 9:00 pa krščanski način lajfa... ne ga ne pustijo...