Podnebni ekstremizem

Še en video, ki glede na zadnje izmenjave nekako spada v to temo:

Tudi kot opomin našim ruskim plačancem tu, kaj zamujajo ...

pegasus je 25. avg 2023 ob 19:37 izjavil:

Ker ne znamo pritisniti na bremzo in ker nočemo narediti dovolj korakov nazaj, da bi izbrali drugo pot in ne slepe ulice, imamo edino preostalo opcijo, da v tem trenutku še bolj pritisnemo na gas

Glej glej, obstajajo celo uradni članki na to temo. Quiet vs grabby civilizations:

Also ... slabi obeti glede zaznave sovražnih alienov v bližnji prihodnosti, ki bi nas združili kot civilizacijo.

Podnebne spremembe so bolj politično in gospodarsko gibanje, kot znanstveno. Več panike, kot ustvarijo, več denarja se prelije v določene žepe. Gibanje se razvija že 50-60 let:

Aha, vidim da je zmanjkalo argumentov. Glejte, tu jih je še nekaj: https://climate.copernicus.eu/summer-20...

pegasus je 31. avg 2023 ob 22:10 izjavil:

Lušten, objektiven video za vse, ki še ne razumete problema ali si zatiskate oči pred njim:

Kaj mi hoces pokvart jutro?

Pri nas je toplotna požrla 56 kWh.
40 jih je šlo za standby, ostalih 16 kWh pa za naše boljše počutje. Zakaj bi nas zeblo, če ni treba?

fulk je 3. sep 2023 ob 20:34 izjavil:

Pegasusu sploh več ne vstane zjutraj, če ne prebere MSM članka kako je še en mikronezijski otok poplavilo. Eh

Še Billu Gatesu je jasno, da je vse skupaj scam:

Potem so bila pricakovanja vec kot ocitno napacna.

pegasus je 10. sep 2023 ob 04:27 izjavil:

Odkrit mehanizem, zakaj se v morje iztekajoči ledeniki talijo več kot 2x hitreje od pričakovanj:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-...

Saj veš, da ta študija nima glih veze z warmingom, ampak opisuje pač nek fizikalni pojav?

Sicer pa kaj, a ne bi rad imel škrge za ušesi tudi ti? Free diving bi bil dosti lažji.

Znanost: Ledeniki se topijo hitro.
Mlinar: Ne pa se ne.
Znanost: Popravek, ledeniki se topijo še hitreje kot smo sprva mislili.
Mlinar: Vidite, imel sem prav.

Nikjer ni napisano, da se ledeniki 2x hitreje topijo zaradi podnebja. Vem, da pegasus onanira na to misel, ampak vseeno.

Daj owca, ti pa res verjameš v vsak drek na internetih. Odrasti že!

Na zacetku zemlje ni bilo ledenikov hence je to posledica ohlajanja prvotno in gremo zdaj komaj v normalno zacetno stanje

m0LN4r je 28. avg 2023 ob 22:07 izjavil:

Upajmo, da ne bo treba kurit v vinogradu, da grozdje ne zmrzne letos.

ti in ostali beboti kar pejte kurit... verjetno še zraven molite in verjamete, da to dvoje preprečuje pozebo...

Končno bo Greenlandija spet zelena.

Samo vprašanje ali bo spet žitnica evrope, al bodo kaj naumili, da ne bomo v evropo dobili tega žita.

Pivot area. :)

Zato pa gre gdp rusije gor, nemcije pa dol, ker ni wcjev

Mene res zanima kaj bo, ko bodo "vsakoletni rekordi" prenehali in bo temperatura začela upadati ali se vsaj stabilizirati.
Ne more biti vsako leto bolj in bolj vroče, nismo Venera in niti ne moremo biti. Še posebej ne zaradi razlike med 500ppm in 400ppm.

Ne vem kako so letos izmerili najvišjo temperaturo, ker niti slučajno ni bilo čutit take toplotne obremenitve kot lani. Če je za en dan poskočila, treba vrjetno bolj preverit zakaj. Je kak asistent vzdrževal suito inštrumentov pa odpru polkna in je zapihal notri bolj vroč zrak al neki.
Znanosti zaupam, ampak modernim znanstvenikom pa ne več toliko.

Je pa nobelovc lepo rekel. Danes je znanost predvsem akumulacija podatkov zaradi tehnologije, ni pa več časa za razmislek kaj ti podatki pomenijo.

Skoraj kot nekakšen oče naš zelenega kulta

Ahahaha

kopriwa je 12. sep 2023 ob 09:08 izjavil:

m0LN4r je 12. sep 2023 ob 08:47 izjavil:

Zato pa gre gdp rusije gor, nemcije pa dol, ker ni wcjev

Kadarkoli plačam transfer tebe in tvoje družine do ruske meje kjer boš prosperiral. V poštev pride bencin za lado nivo. Javi.

Bodo tam prej imeli kitajske luxus EVje kot v EU

Le čevlje sodi naj kopitar ...

Bi rekel, da ste omejeni, a to že vemo ... in ker aktivno poudarjate svojo omejenost, lahko sklepam le, da furate svojo agendo. Prosim plačilne liste na mizo.

For science:

If we spend 50 trillion dollars or however much it takes to make our country carbon neutral by 2050 , Europe cooperates, most western democracies cooperate, but China and India don´t - How much will our 50 trillion dollars lower world temperatures?

ChatGTP:
It's challenging to provide an exact estimate of how much a $50 trillion investment in making a single country carbon neutral by 2050 would lower global temperatures, especially if other major emitters like China and India don't cooperate. Several factors come into play:

Global Emissions Share: The impact of one country's efforts on global temperatures depends on its share of global greenhouse gas emissions. The United States, for example, is responsible for about 15% of global emissions, so a unilateral effort would only reduce a portion of total emissions.

Global Nature of Climate Change: Climate change is a global issue, and emissions from one country mix with those from others in the atmosphere. Thus, efforts to reduce emissions in one country can have a positive but limited effect on global temperatures.

Carbon Leakage: If the United States were to reduce its emissions significantly while other major economies, such as China and India, continued to increase their emissions, there could be carbon leakage. This means that some of the emissions reductions achieved domestically could be offset by increased emissions from other countries due to shifts in economic activity.

Feedback Loops: The effects of climate change are complex and include feedback loops that can amplify warming. Even if one country significantly reduces emissions, feedback loops triggered by global temperature increases could continue to drive warming.

Global Cooperation: The success of efforts to combat climate change largely depends on international cooperation. If the United States and Europe cooperate while China and India do not, it may be challenging to achieve meaningful global emissions reductions.

In short, while a $50 trillion investment in making a single country carbon neutral would make a substantial impact on its own emissions, its direct effect on global temperatures would be limited if other major emitters do not also take significant steps to reduce their emissions. To effectively address climate change and limit global temperature increases, widespread international cooperation and emissions reductions from all major emitters are necessary. The actual impact on global temperatures would depend on the specific policies, technologies, and emissions trajectories of all countries involved.

What if the United States spend 50 trillion dollars or however much it takes to make our country carbon neutral by 2050 , Europe cooperates, most western democracies cooperate, but China and India don´t - How much will our 50 trillion dollars lower world temperatures?

ChatGPT:
If the United States, along with Europe and most Western democracies, were to spend a substantial amount like $50 trillion or whatever it takes to make their countries carbon neutral by 2050, while China and India did not cooperate and continued to increase their emissions, the impact on global temperatures would still be limited.

Here are some key points to consider:

Global Emissions Share: While the United States, Europe, and other Western democracies are significant contributors to global greenhouse gas emissions, their combined emissions represent only a portion of the world's total. If they were to achieve carbon neutrality, they would reduce a substantial amount of emissions, but the majority would still come from countries like China and India.

Global Nature of Climate Change: Climate change is a global phenomenon, and greenhouse gases mix in the atmosphere, leading to a shared impact. Emissions reductions in some regions can mitigate global temperature increases, but it's essential for major emitters worldwide to reduce their emissions to achieve meaningful results.

Carbon Leakage: If one group of countries significantly reduces emissions while others increase theirs, there may be carbon leakage, where emissions reductions in one area are offset by increased emissions elsewhere. This can limit the overall impact on global temperatures.

Feedback Loops: Climate change triggers feedback loops that can amplify warming, and these processes are not limited by national borders. Even if one group of countries reduces emissions, feedback loops could continue to drive temperature increases globally.

Global Cooperation: Effective climate action requires international cooperation. If major emitters like China and India do not cooperate, it becomes increasingly challenging to limit global temperature rise to the goals set out in international agreements like the Paris Agreement.

In summary, while a significant investment and effort by the United States, Europe, and other Western democracies to achieve carbon neutrality would make a substantial dent in global emissions, it would not be sufficient on its own to lower world temperatures significantly if China and India did not also take substantial steps to reduce their emissions. To effectively address climate change and limit global temperature increases, coordinated and substantial efforts from all major emitters are necessary. The specific impact on global temperatures would depend on the emissions trajectories of all countries involved and the effectiveness of their actions.
User

But would it lower the temperatures or not?

ChatGPT

Yes, a concerted effort by the United States, Europe, and most Western democracies to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050, even if China and India do not cooperate, would likely lower global temperatures compared to a scenario where no such effort was made. The reduction in emissions from these countries would have a positive impact on global greenhouse gas emissions, leading to some mitigation of temperature increases.

However, the extent of the temperature reduction would depend on various factors, including the magnitude of emissions reductions achieved by the cooperating countries, the rate at which emissions continue to rise in non-cooperating countries, and the presence of other factors like feedback loops and natural variability in the climate system.

In summary, such efforts would likely have a positive impact on global temperatures, but the exact degree of temperature reduction would be influenced by complex and interconnected factors, and it might not be sufficient to meet the ambitious climate goals set out in international agreements like the Paris Agreement without broader global cooperation.

What are the estimates, by how much?

Estimating the exact temperature reduction resulting from a specific scenario involving emissions reductions in some countries while others do not cooperate is a highly complex and uncertain task. It involves a wide range of variables, including the specific emission reduction targets, the rate of emissions growth in non-cooperating countries, the presence of feedback loops, and natural climate variability.

Furthermore, different climate models may provide different estimates based on various assumptions and methodologies. These models attempt to simulate the Earth's climate system, but they have uncertainties and limitations.

Typically, climate scientists use scenarios and models to project potential outcomes. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) provides assessments based on various emissions scenarios, and these assessments often indicate a range of possible outcomes. However, precise temperature reduction estimates in a scenario like the one you described would depend on a multitude of specific factors and assumptions that would need to be analyzed using climate models.

In any case, it's crucial to emphasize that addressing climate change effectively requires global cooperation and emissions reductions from all major emitters. While unilateral actions by some countries can have a positive impact on global emissions and temperatures, the most effective way to limit global temperature increases to well below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, as outlined in the Paris Agreement, is through coordinated international efforts to reduce emissions worldwide.

//Kot da bi se s pegasusom pogovarjali, nic konkretnega, ampak bo, trust me bro

fulk je 13. sep 2023 ob 16:17 izjavil:

To, da vi ignorirate zadnji vulkan, ki je v hipu spravil več vlage v ozračje kot človeštvo zadnjih par desetletji

Očitno vam tudi številke, ki presegajo število prstov na telesu, delajo težave. Razumem, to so nenaravne številke, preveč abstraktne, torej spadajo v fake news kategorijo. Vse jasno.