Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

FireSnake je 9. feb 2024 ob 11:23 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 8. feb 2024 ob 11:30 izjavil:

Toliko kot Bahmut.

Problem je, da so Bahmut zapustili, ko ni bilo več smiselno branit tistih ruševin, Avdivko pa izgubljajo tudi zaradi pomanjkanja orožja.

Ne mi o pomanjkanju orožja.
Toliko, kot se je tega poslalo tja, bi morali imeti za 10 let dovolj.

Okapi je 9. feb 2024 ob 11:33 izjavil:

mn je 9. feb 2024 ob 11:28 izjavil:

Skoraj nic se ni poslalo v Ukrajino, v bistvu smo malo pocistili po skladiscih. Saj ves vse tisto kar ves da ne rabis vec, ampak vseeno sparas ker ti je skoda vreci stran.

Dejansko. Mi recimo nočemo poslati 40 za silo spodobnih tankov M-84, očitno zato, ker se bojimi, da jih bomo rabili doma. Ne zavedamo se, da bi obrambi Slovenije ta hip najbolj koristili v Ukrajini.

Okapi je 9. feb 2024 ob 11:48 izjavil:

Po kakšni logiki bi nam kdorkoli dajal Leoparde 2 v zameno za M-84? Potem je že bolje, da jih da Ukrajincem.

Naša logika bi morala biti, da ti tanki za našo varnost več koristijo v Ukrajini kot v garaži na Vrhniki, ali kjerkoli pač sedaj rjavijo.

Za domačo rabo pa pač kupimo nekaj novih, če kdo misli, da ji dejansko potrebujemo. Vojna v Ukrajini nas uči, da so tanki, če jih imaš malo, bolj ali manj neuporabni. Še zlasti nekoristni so za obrambo, na terenu, kot je pri nas.

bbbbbb2015 je 9. feb 2024 ob 11:39 izjavil:

Da pa damo M-84 od sebe in nimamo tankov pa je nerazumno.

There is just a massive amount to dissect here, but it’s astounding how much Carlson REALLY wants Putin to say that he invaded Ukraine because NATO expansion provoked him, but Putin instead insists on continuing his diatribe on Russian irredentism and how Ukraine belongs to them

I’m actually almost in shock at just how much Putin just debunked the

“NATO expansionism was the proximal motive, not Russian irredentist sentiment” theory of the war

This is so genuinely funny to me that he just destroyed 2 straight years of western pro-Russia propaganda

bbbbbb2015 je 9. feb 2024 ob 13:47 izjavil:

Manjko municije je v vojski (vojni) vedno prisoten, sploh v vojni visoke intenzitete.

putin turned out to be SO MUCH DUMBER than i expected. I wanted to see a masterstroke of propaganda, a one of a kind opportunity to speak directly to republican viewers on culture war bullshit and get them on his side, and yet all of it is just his fucking hobby kaiserreich AU

i have been watching this shit and laughing my ass off for the past half an hour this is BRILLIANT i could never have invented a better torture method for cuckkker. oh my GOD

A flop for both Carlson and Putin. Or a limited success: a destructively productive concept poorly executed.

I will analyse Putin's part.

Narratively, the 2 hours had 3 parts.

(1) A half hour long history lecture by Putin
(2) an hour on how Putin is a victim of the West - which has tricked him over and over and
(3) a half hour on how mistreating Russia hurts the West.

The history lecture was bad - bad by Putin's own standards. He was compulsive about all the dates he had memorised. 892. 988. 1922. He kept pulling out historical dates and clinging to them for dear life. When Carlson tried to move the conversation on, Putin couldn't bear it.

I rarely laugh at the tyrant, but I laughed uproariously around minute 18. This was the ludicrousness of a human being ludicrously victimised by his own unfiltered power.

Then came Putin's perennial victimhood. This part was mildly revealing. The central thread was Putin's sincere astonishment at what he sees as the utter hypocrisy of Western political elites, and the sham that he thinks Western ideals turn out to be in practice.

Putin's ask is clear. Can we please do politics without ethical pretence? Can we stop pretending there is a difference between authority and power, or that small countries can have sovereignty. Putin said: we won't invade Latvia because we don't have an interest in it.

Finally, Putin appealed to the West to stop being self-destructive. This was a big missed opportunity for him. A good strategist would've told Putin to drill down: 'Western citizens, your politicians are your enemies and your institutions are betraying you'.

I regularly speak about democracy to a Western audience. I know what Putin needed to say to impact the 2024 US election. But he failed to engage with Western citizens' feelings of (1) unsafety (2) powerless (3) betrayal and (4) opacity about their political systems.

bbbbbb2015 je 9. feb 2024 ob 14:35 izjavil:

kow je 9. feb 2024 ob 14:24 izjavil:

Putin je starec. Nekateri imajo nerazumna pricakovanja, da bo neki tezki mastermind pri teh letih.

Točno!
In marsikdo se ne zaveda, da je zadaj četica silovikov, ki so forsirali tole vojnico.
Putin je samo front-man.

kow je 9. feb 2024 ob 14:48 izjavil:

bbbbbb2015 je 9. feb 2024 ob 14:35 izjavil:

kow je 9. feb 2024 ob 14:24 izjavil:

Putin je starec. Nekateri imajo nerazumna pricakovanja, da bo neki tezki mastermind pri teh letih.

Točno!
In marsikdo se ne zaveda, da je zadaj četica silovikov, ki so forsirali tole vojnico.
Putin je samo front-man.

Se ne strinjam. Putin je kar glavni. Hotel sem povedati, da nima pretirano brihtnih planov. "Siloviki" se ga realno ne morejo znebiti - koga pa bodo postavili za predsednika? Medvedjeva? Lol.
Ce gre Putinova glava, grejo tudi glave najozjega vodstva.

bbbbbb2015 je 9. feb 2024 ob 15:09 izjavil:

Da bi prav odstavili Putina, to pa ne bo šlo. Večina penzionistov v Rusiji ga ima v čislih.

Important arrival in #Kyiv. The train carrying a bipartisan delegation from US Congress.

#Ukraine is desperate for Republicans to stop being selfish/stupid or just plain genocide supporters.

The self-anointed leading free country in the world needs to protect freedom in #Ukraine

Pac-Man je 9. feb 2024 ob 16:56 izjavil:

Tucker mu dobesedno polaga na jezik, da je za vojno kriv NATO in zahod, Putin ne registrira

Tucker Carlson: And there’s a lot of that though, I think. Many nations feel upset about — there are Transylvanians as well as you, others, you know — but many nations feel frustrated by their re-drawn borders after the wars of the 20th century, and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mention, but the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago in February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain a great length that you thought a physical threat from the West and NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

Vladimir Putin: I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of an interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning: ”Are we going to have a serious talk or a show?“ You said — a serious talk. So bear with me please.

We are coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established. Then, in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed. And everything that Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was ”dragged away“ by the latter.

Nadaljevanje je na videz bolj koherentno, ampak če spremljaš vidiš kje laže/naklada

Notnow je 9. feb 2024 ob 17:38 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 9. feb 2024 ob 16:56 izjavil:

Tucker mu dobesedno polaga na jezik, da je za vojno kriv NATO in zahod, Putin ne registrira

Tucker Carlson: And there’s a lot of that though, I think. Many nations feel upset about — there are Transylvanians as well as you, others, you know — but many nations feel frustrated by their re-drawn borders after the wars of the 20th century, and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mention, but the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago in February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain a great length that you thought a physical threat from the West and NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

Vladimir Putin: I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of an interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning: ”Are we going to have a serious talk or a show?“ You said — a serious talk. So bear with me please.

We are coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established. Then, in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed. And everything that Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was ”dragged away“ by the latter.

Nadaljevanje je na videz bolj koherentno, ampak če spremljaš vidiš kje laže/naklada

Prehitr si,sej je prišel do vsega tega,tle je tucker bol kot ne hotel,da bi preskočla ta njegov monolog...poglej do konca prvo.

Sem pa tudi zelo presenečen,da je večina komentarjev,tako kot na twitterju kot na yutubu zelo pozitivnih...
Ali res ni nobene kosti dal za glodat putin?
Mel sem občutek,da tole ne bo daleč pršlo,ker je res mal zabluzu,še posebej za ameriško publiko tole absolutno ni bilo...

Vladimir Tsema Bursov after the exchange following 20 months in russian captivity

Volodymyr Tsema-Bursov lived in Mariupol with his wife and young daughter. He is a serviceman of the 56th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade. Before the full-scale invasion, Volodymyr was a stocky man - he was 191 cm tall and weighed 95 kg. In April 2022, he was captured by the Russians from the Ilyich metallurgical plant, where he spent 20 months.

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I am a senior soldier of the 56th separate Mariupol motorized infantry brigade in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On contract from November 2019. My position is an orchestra artist. Before connecting my life with the army, I worked as a musician. After finishing school, he constantly played in amateur groups, orchestras, etc. In 2019, he left his "place of residence" — the Mariupol Chamber Philharmonic and part-time the "Ukrainian House" Palace of Culture — and decided to work on cruise liners. I had two contracts, for half a year each.

When the coronavirus pandemic began, I was on a ship traveling between the countries of Asia and Oceania. There were 2.5 thousand passengers and 700 crew members, of course, the passenger fleet stopped. It was the middle of the summer of 2020 when he returned to his native Mariupol.

I was looking for a job for some time. And then a comrade from the National Guard orchestra told about the 56th brigade, which was just recruiting for the orchestra. He immediately called his future commander. He confirmed that people are needed in the orchestra, but you need to pass a medical examination - if everything is fine with your health, then we are waiting for you in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I'm in my hometown, doing what I love — what more could you want?

...

The "Rosgvardiysi" re-registered all of us, took us to the Kamenskyi pre-trial detention center, it was not working, the institution was probably opened a few days ago. There we sat for 3-4 hours in cells with windows without glass, then we tied our hands, loaded them into KamAZs and transported them to Sartana. After 2 days, we were put on buses at night and brought to Olenivska Colony in the morning. We sat in those buses all day.

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We are met by a "turner", each of us says his last name, first name and patronymic and runs to the barracks along the "living corridor". Three on the left, the same number on the right. Each of them has a "work tool" in their hands - some have a club or a rubber stick, others have something like a cutting board or a strap with metal inserts. Each of them will hit you for whatever reason.

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There was an episode in Sukhodolsk when I was summoned for questioning. They searched me completely, to the point of removing the insoles from my shoes and bending them so that I wouldn't hide some tiny object in the soles. They take me to the cell, and there are two of them. And one of them, apparently the older one, says: "According to our information, you are an instructor in the Azov regiment." I answered them that this information was far from the truth. But they did not believe that he was only a musician in a military band. And they began to "fly" on the legs, in the chest, under the breath. Accusations — blows, and so on for 15 minutes. Then, apparently, they got tired of it. They say, well, if you are a musician and now we bring a guitar, are you "weak"? Well, of course, I will play, he answered.

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Well, there were rumors that someone was able to remove the cap and saw a road sign with the inscription Rostov, although I personally cannot confirm this. We are crammed into a plane like a herring into a can. We, without exaggeration, were lying on top of each other. It was very difficult. Four hours flew by. And the "vertuhai" still manage to periodically beat the heads and backs of prisoners of war with sticks. We naively thought that there would be an exchange.

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How was the exchange? On the night of January 4, they woke up from the fact that in the corridor, a few cells away from ours, they heard mats and the rattle of a bunch of keys. And also the hustle and bustle. We had three options: another resettlement, someone was brought or, on the contrary, they will be taken away.

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There were 8 people in our cell, four were summoned. They put them in autobags and took them to the airfield. The plane was spacious, not like the one used to transport us to prison. There were long benches. Hands were no longer tied, as before, but they had to be held on the knees with palms up, heads down. I fell asleep for a while because I wasn't feeling well. And when he woke up, the plane had already landed in Belgorod. We were transferred to a bus and taken to the border with Ukraine, to the Sumy region.

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Now I am being treated in one of the medical facilities in Poltava Oblast. My health is much worse than I expected. I have, as they say, a "whole bouquet" of diseases, including chronic gastritis in the exacerbation stage, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) - a disease of the human digestive system, chronic prostatitis in the remission stage, etc.