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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

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bluefish ::

AtaŠtumf je izjavil:

Sam sem te demantiral, da si napisal laž in za tvoje laži predstavil dokaze.

Naredi enako in poišči dokaze, da nihče od politikov in generalov v Ukrajini ni koruptiven!
Postavil si trditev o korupciji:

AtaŠtumf je izjavil:

ps: No del tega denarja, gre verjetno, glede na vso korupcijo, tudi za kako hišico v Franciji ali kako novo jahtico za ukrajinske voditelje in to verjetno neuradno prišparajo za svojo penzijo v tujini, ko bodo morali bežati iz Ukrajine.


Objavi vir(e) ali pa se posloviš od teme.

AtaŠtumf ::

In Avdiivka

I saw an investigation by Bigus.info about how other servicemen, 30 career officers of the SBU's DPNS, healthy, well-fed, driving good cars that the state gives them, using money that the state gives them, spend three days in a Kyiv hotel during the war, illegally installing video cameras in the bedrooms of female journalists.

And I thought that those who did this, and those who sent these trained SSU officers to a hotel when elderly repairmen are forced to fight to the death in the trenches of Avdiivka, and those who find money for illegal surveillance, for hotel rooms, lunches, cover cars, cameras, and do not find money for cars, drones, antennas, cameras, and electronic warfare for Avdiivka, are real shameless scum and traitors to Ukraine.

Za začetek...
#SlovenijaPrva #SLOVEenianLivesMatter #SlavaGasilcem

bluefish ::

Kul. Čakamo še na hiše v Franciji, jahte in ostalo iz prispevka.

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Notnow ::

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu...

Legenda.
Mad man actually did it! par ur pa je že na 28 milijonov...
Še dobr da mamo muska,pa da se napovedi o propadu x-a niso uresničile :)

Pac-Man ::

Zgoraj omenjen bihus.info, dobro uro o Azovu v Kremini s podnapisi

@1:00:00 je en lep zen tejk o trenutnem dogajanju


AZOV Positions: Infantry, Grenadiers, Medics in Kreminna Forests (Part 1)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Oh snap

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/17...

Interesting to hear @TuckerCarlson claim that “no western journalist has bothered to interview” Putin since the invasion of Ukraine. We’ve lodged several requests with the Kremlin in the last 18 months. Always a ‘no’ for us.



Razlika med propagandistom in žurnalistom.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Notnow ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Oh snap

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/17...

Interesting to hear @TuckerCarlson claim that “no western journalist has bothered to interview” Putin since the invasion of Ukraine. We’ve lodged several requests with the Kremlin in the last 18 months. Always a ‘no’ for us.



Razlika med propagandistom in žurnalistom.


(state media) BBC :)) oh I wonder why...
"We are not encouraging you to agree with what Putin may say in this interview, but we are urging you to watch it." -TC

Machete ::

Da ga ni sram podgano prodano.

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https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/sta...
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Pac-Man ::

Notnow je izjavil:

(state media) BBC :)) oh I wonder why...
"We are not encouraging you to agree with what Putin may say in this interview, but we are urging you to watch it." -TC


Misliš, da bo Tucker vprašal Putina, zakaj v Rusiji preganjajo in zapirajo novinarje?

https://twitter.com/JoshEakle/status/17...

These are the faces of 9 journalists currently arrested in Russia.

These are only a few of the many journalists who have had their homes raided, assets seized, and lives ended because they dared to challenge Putin's narratives.

Despite their conditions, many of these people would love the opportunity to interview Putin.

A good journalist relishes the opportunity to speak truth to power, challenging lies and misinformation head-on.

But instead of granting interviews or fielding their questions, Putin had them arrested.

Unless you're furthering his propaganda, Putin will not tolerate your speech.

The opposite is also true.

If Putin is granting you access and rolling out the red carpet, rest assured you're nothing more than an agent of his propaganda.


Razlika med propagandistom in žurnalistom.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Kdo koga preganja?

https://twitter.com/MykhailoRohoza/stat...

I, a Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainian, have always been oppressed by the Russian language.
It's always been like this.
I was oppressed by Russian, when I was still young I could not watch Ukrainian cartoons, because there were only Russian ones.
I was oppressed by Russian when we were forced to read depressing Russian literature at school.
I was oppressed by Russian when they defiantly did not want to serve me in a Kiev coffee shop, because I spoke Ukrainian.
I was oppressed by Russian when in Odessa I could not order a taxi, because the operator did not understand the Ukrainian phrase “you can drive to Derebasovskaya”, and in Kherson they made a mockery of my speech.
I was pressed by Russian, when my classmates, who came for the summer from Kiev gavarili PA-ruski, " patamusha is so convenient for me, panimaesh”?
I was oppressed by Russian, when I graduated from university, I couldn't find a single Ukrainian-language magazine in Kiev to complete an internship.
I was oppressed by Russian when the Rosetta support service, hotel administrations, or Ukrzaliznytsia refused to serve me in Ukrainian.

And I am frankly shocked when they now talk about some kind of restriction of the rights of Russian speakers.
Really? Did everyone like everything when it was the other way around? Why wasn't there such outrage then?
Let me remind you that the Ukrainian language has been destroyed for centuries and only now has it really begun to develop.
Let me remind you that the Russians in the Occupied Territories first of all burn our books and replace Ukrainian-language signs.
It seems to me that sometimes we are too tolerant, but we need to defend our own.
If you haven't forgotten, the war with Russia is still going on.
No one forbids speaking Russian in everyday life, but if someone is uncomfortable creating content in Ukrainian, they can move to a wonderful country a little further east, where that language is spoken, and not clog up our information space.

I live in Ukraine, we have our own wonderful language, Russia attacked our country, so:
I'm uncomfortable in Russian and for me there is a difference, especially now that we are choosing our future.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Notnow ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Notnow je izjavil:

(state media) BBC :)) oh I wonder why...
"We are not encouraging you to agree with what Putin may say in this interview, but we are urging you to watch it." -TC


Misliš, da bo Tucker vprašal Putina, zakaj v Rusiji preganjajo in zapirajo novinarje?

https://twitter.com/JoshEakle/status/17...



Nevem,njegov intervju,in njegova vprašanja..pa saj so ga že drugi to spraševali zakaj bi ga še on.
Pa ne bit taka snežinka,nevem kaj te sploh tako skrbi ta intervju,saj nismo mi tako glupi kot rusi,ker imamo demokracijo,in imamo svobodo misli in tiska..zdaj bo vsak videl kako laže putin.

Pac-Man ::

Notnow je izjavil:

Nevem,njegov intervju,in njegova vprašanja..pa saj so ga že drugi to spraševali zakaj bi ga še on.


Seveda boš zdaj pokazal, da so ga že drugi spraševali. In govoriš v množini.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

fikus_ ::

Nekaj novic na temo UA:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Predviden čas gradnje 12 mesecev. PS ne brati komentarjev, bo mnoge zvilo.

Še tvit Tuckerja (vem da ga nekateri ne marate), ima marsikaj prav, tako da želim, da pogledate do konca in komentirate vsebino.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu...

Lep dan.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Pac-Man ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Predviden čas gradnje 12 mesecev. PS ne brati komentarjev, bo mnoge zvilo.


Nič skrbet, na MMC so mnogi šlogali, da bodo Rusi uničili vse HIMARS lanserje takoj ko vstopijo v Ukrajino.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Bauc ::

Notnow je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Notnow je izjavil:

(state media) BBC :)) oh I wonder why...
"We are not encouraging you to agree with what Putin may say in this interview, but we are urging you to watch it." -TC


Misliš, da bo Tucker vprašal Putina, zakaj v Rusiji preganjajo in zapirajo novinarje?

https://twitter.com/JoshEakle/status/17...



Nevem,njegov intervju,in njegova vprašanja..pa saj so ga že drugi to spraševali zakaj bi ga še on.
Pa ne bit taka snežinka,nevem kaj te sploh tako skrbi ta intervju,saj nismo mi tako glupi kot rusi,ker imamo demokracijo,in imamo svobodo misli in tiska..zdaj bo vsak videl kako laže putin.

Daj link do intervjuja kjer so novinarji vprašali Putina zakaj preganja novinarje. :D

Bauc ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Nekaj novic na temo UA:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Predviden čas gradnje 12 mesecev. PS ne brati komentarjev, bo mnoge zvilo.

Še tvit Tuckerja (vem da ga nekateri ne marate), ima marsikaj prav, tako da želim, da pogledate do konca in komentirate vsebino.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu...

Lep dan.

Itak, da ti "strokovnjaki" vedo več od tipa, ki bo v tovarno investiral svoj denar. Včeraj si spraševal za primere glupega folka:D

Notnow ::

ah no,glede politikov je blo..


Torej zakaj se mormo bat tuckerja?

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gozdar1 ::

Kaj je z novico da šahedi koštajo precej več kot 20k s katarimi opleta ruske propaganda in se s tem precej bližajo ceni raket.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler...

Notnow je izjavil:

ah no,glede politikov je blo..


Torej zakaj se mormo bat tuckerja?


Ker imamo preveč neumnih ljudi, ki mu verjamejo.

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Notnow ::

In rabimo takšne kot si ti, da nam povedo resnico in samo resnico?

Kresnik ::

Notnow je izjavil:



Kresnik je izjavil:


Notnow je izjavil:

Sej pa vidiš kako je popularen.noben ga očitno ne mara :) ne demokrati,ne republikanci...


Saj tudi Big Brotherji, Kmetije, 16 and pregnant in podobni trash reality show-i so popularni, pa mislim da ne moreva reči, da so nek super nivo kvalitete. Pač, primitivni nivo propagande, ki targetira najnižji čustveni nivo. Outrage addiction (morda lahko slovensko prevedemo kot zasvojenost z ogorčenjem). Desni ekvivalent woke-levici, ki so professionally offended on your behalf. Nivo pa isti, propaganda na nivoju Goebbelsa in Jagode.


A boš pogledal,če bo dobil intreviju?


Načeloma se me takih videov ne da gledat, bom pa prebral, če bo v tekstu. Sicer kaj veliko ne pričakujem, verjetno bo zgoščena Ruska propaganda zadnjih 2 let.

IMHO, bo tole Putinov monolog z Ameriškim statistom, da dobi nekaj dosega.

fikus_ ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Predviden čas gradnje 12 mesecev. PS ne brati komentarjev, bo mnoge zvilo.


Nič skrbet, na MMC so mnogi šlogali, da bodo Rusi uničili vse HIMARS lanserje takoj ko vstopijo v Ukrajino.


Tega ne moreš primerjati, Himars je premičnina, tovarna nepremičnina. Dlje ne bom komentiral.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Pac-Man ::

Notnow je izjavil:

Torej zakaj se mormo bat tuckerja?


In kdo se ga boji?

Pač normalizira diktatorja. Ni ne prvi in ne zadnji. Kot je bilo prilepljeno par objav prej, Reductio ad Hitlerum

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/sta...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Notnow ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Notnow je izjavil:

Torej zakaj se mormo bat tuckerja?


In kdo se ga boji?

Pač normalizira diktatorja. Ni ne prvi in ne zadnji. Kot je bilo prilepljeno par objav prej, Reductio ad Hitlerum

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/sta...


hm...Potem so ga iz ABCja tudi? zakaj ga ona ni vprašala o novinarjih? pa zakaj ga takrat ni od NBCja vprašala?
So oni tudi normalizirali diktatorja?

bbbbbb2015 ::

Bauc je izjavil:


Za intervju bi rabili novinarja, ki bi Putinu postavil tudi neprijetna vprašanja. Na takšnen intervju pa Putin zagotovo nebi pristal. Tu bodo vprašanja in odgovori pripravljeni v naprej. Samo platforma za gonjenje propagande, ki nima ničesar z novinarstvom:D


Za Putina neprijetnih vprašanj ni. Zdaj bi pa to že lahko vedel. Vedno lahko najde stran v zgodovinski knjigi, s katero opraviči karkoli. Una tam marec 2017 je že zglodana, da je skoraj več ni.

Pri intervjujih vedno gre za maksimizacijo paradigme ali vsaj agende.

Pac-Man ::

NBC ga je vprašal l. 2021, @33:00



In s tem nekako rušiš tezo, da Putina ne intervjuja noben zahodni novinar
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

fur80 ::

One of the largest banks in China, Chouzhou Commercial, decided to suspend all transactions with Russia and Belarus, which, according to experts, is directly related to the current sanctions policy of the West. This bank played a key role for Russian importers, providing the main channel for transactions. The suspension of operations affects not only the international SWIFT payment system, but also interaction through national payment systems - the Russian SPFS and the Chinese CIPS.

https://avia-pro.net/news/krupneyshiy-b...

MOSCOW, Feb 7 (Reuters) - China's Chouzhou Commercial Bank, a key settlement channel for Russian importers, has halted operations with Russia, Vedomosti newspaper reported on Wednesday, citing businessmen and consultants.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/chinas-...

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Notnow ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

NBC ga je vprašal l. 2021, @33:00

In s tem nekako rušiš tezo, da Putina ne intervjuja noben zahodni novinar


Saj nisem rekel da ga ne..
No vidiš,si si sam izbrskal..zakaj ga sedaj mora še tucker,če so ga že drugi?

bbbbbb2015 ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Kaj je z novico da šahedi koštajo precej več kot 20k s katarimi opleta ruske propaganda in se s tem precej bližajo ceni raket.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler...


Sticker price je nerelevanten, verjetno boste dvignili obrvi, vsaj nekateri. Iranci pa namreč kupujejo avione in rezervne dele za avione pri Rusih. Prej Su-27/35 splho niso mogli dobiti, sedaj zgleda, da bodo/so.

Ker namreč, avione je treba tudi *proizvesti*, kar gre Rusom ta hip švohtno od rok.

Gre torej za nivelirane cene, preko katerih so avioni cenejši za Irance. Kot neke vrste klirinški dolarji.

Tidule ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Nekaj novic na temo UA:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Predviden čas gradnje 12 mesecev. PS ne brati komentarjev, bo mnoge zvilo.

Še tvit Tuckerja (vem da ga nekateri ne marate), ima marsikaj prav, tako da želim, da pogledate do konca in komentirate vsebino.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu...

Lep dan.


Kater del točno ima prav? Da je vojna v ukrajini povročila tisoče mrtvih? res je. Da mediji lažejo? seveda, je živ dokaz tega.

Potem pa pač odblodi v kalsične zablode o propadu USD in opravičevanju invazije. Crkneš pa od smeha ko začne govorit o pravici do svobode govora v istem stavku kot inteviju z Putinom. Potem pa se gladko zlaže, da ni za intevju prejel nobene finančne kompenzacije.

Komentar Kim Dotcoma odlično povzame celoteno dodano vrednost. Samo /s je pozabil na koncu.

Notnow je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

NBC ga je vprašal l. 2021, @33:00

In s tem nekako rušiš tezo, da Putina ne intervjuja noben zahodni novinar


Saj nisem rekel da ga ne..
No vidiš,si si sam izbrskal..zakaj ga sedaj mora še tucker,če so ga že drugi?


Se je pa tvoj miljenec Tucker točno glede tega zlagal, ko trdil da ni bilo intevijujev z Putinom.

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Gregor P ::

Tip je itak notorični lažnivec in manipulator. Žalostno je predvsem to, da se je dejansko lahko nekaj časa po TV prodajal kot novinar.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

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Bauc ::

bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:

Bauc je izjavil:


Za intervju bi rabili novinarja, ki bi Putinu postavil tudi neprijetna vprašanja. Na takšnen intervju pa Putin zagotovo nebi pristal. Tu bodo vprašanja in odgovori pripravljeni v naprej. Samo platforma za gonjenje propagande, ki nima ničesar z novinarstvom:D


Za Putina neprijetnih vprašanj ni. Zdaj bi pa to že lahko vedel. Vedno lahko najde stran v zgodovinski knjigi, s katero opraviči karkoli. Una tam marec 2017 je že zglodana, da je skoraj več ni.

Pri intervjujih vedno gre za maksimizacijo paradigme ali vsaj agende.

Kaj pa vem. Baje je odklonil več intervjujev za BBC. Sicer sploh ne vem kako bi lahko novinar postavljal vprašanja, če bi ga verjetno zaprli ob omembi besede vojna :D

Notnow ::

Ali imate res tako zelo šibko narativo, da vam jo lahko en tucker trucker podere v eni uri pogovora z putinom?

gozdar1 ::

Tuckerjev intervju je namenjen točno določeni publiki, ki ji je naša narativa tako tuja. Torej utrjevanju že obstoječega prepričanja v točno določenih echo chamberjih.

bicican ::

Notnow je izjavil:

Ali imate res tako zelo šibko narativo, da vam jo lahko en tucker trucker podere v eni uri pogovora z putinom?


Kakšno narativo ?

Jasno se ve kdo je agresor, kdo je šel čez mejo v drugo državo in priključuje ozemlje sebi. In ta ki je to naredil je agresor in tega ne opraviči nič. Ni razloga na tem svetu da bi to opravičil. Je pa mnogo izgovorov, ki smo se jih že naveličali poslušat.

Se opravičujem za meme, a dejansko dobro povzame vsto to opravičevanje Ruske agresije nad sosednjo državo

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fur80 ::

Notnow je izjavil:

Ali imate res tako zelo šibko narativo, da vam jo lahko en tucker trucker podere v eni uri pogovora z putinom?


Čakamo na Kajo S, da naredi povzetek intervjuja za RTV in Damjana P Damjana, da ga zanalizira in Lipovška, da ga predstavi. ;)

bicican ::

Ko delajo amerikanci neumnosti po BV, so jasno krivi amerikanci.

Ko delajo rusi neumnosti po ukrajini, so spet krivi amerikanci ?

Naj mi nekdo razloži to logiko ?

TESKAn ::

Naj mi nekdo razloži to logiko ?

Sovražim zahod, sovražim NATO, sovražim ZDA, zato navijam za in opravičujem vsakega, za katerega mislim da ima najmanjšo možnost, da sesuje zahod. Pa čeprav živim tu im mi na kraj pameti ne pade, da bi živel v katerikoli vukojebini, za katero navijam.

Hm, ne, maš prav, ni neke logike zadaj.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.

Notnow ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Tuckerjev intervju je namenjen točno določeni publiki, ki ji je naša narativa tako tuja. Torej utrjevanju že obstoječega prepričanja v točno določenih echo chamberjih.


Jebiga, to je cena demokracije.A nismo zato boljši od drugih? saj nočemo bit kot rusija,ki ima sam enoumje po medijih mar ne?

Sicer je pa tistih tako ali tako manj.saj vsi vidijo kdo je agresor itd...ali se motim? mediji niso naklonjeni putinu,politika tudi ne,..kaj potem tak strah,če zaradi šibke narative?

kow ::

Kaja S. gre se kar precej dlje. Sovrazi kapitalizem, hkrati pa fetisizira elitisticno kuharijo. Kdo bi razumel te psevdolevicarje.

Kdo bolj podrobno spremlja avdiivko? Se bodo Ukrajinci umaknili?

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Notnow ::

TESKAn je izjavil:

Naj mi nekdo razloži to logiko ?

Sovražim zahod, sovražim NATO, sovražim ZDA, zato navijam za in opravičujem vsakega, za katerega mislim da ima najmanjšo možnost, da sesuje zahod. Pa čeprav živim tu im mi na kraj pameti ne pade, da bi živel v katerikoli vukojebini, za katero navijam.

Hm, ne, maš prav, ni neke logike zadaj.



Najbolš bi bilo takšne ljudi zapret jl?

kow ::

Zapret jih ni treba. Na pozicijah v drzavnih medijih, pa jih tudi ne potrebujemo.

bicican ::

Notnow je izjavil:

TESKAn je izjavil:

Naj mi nekdo razloži to logiko ?

Sovražim zahod, sovražim NATO, sovražim ZDA, zato navijam za in opravičujem vsakega, za katerega mislim da ima najmanjšo možnost, da sesuje zahod. Pa čeprav živim tu im mi na kraj pameti ne pade, da bi živel v katerikoli vukojebini, za katero navijam.

Hm, ne, maš prav, ni neke logike zadaj.



Najbolš bi bilo takšne ljudi zapret jl?


To ne.

Lahko pa bi ti iz prve roke povedal od kje to sovraštvo do samega sebe ? Zakaj sovražiš svoje okolje in svojo družbo ?

Če pa si se preselil v Rusijo potem pa razumljivo. Torej ?

gozdar1 ::

Notnow je izjavil:

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Tuckerjev intervju je namenjen točno določeni publiki, ki ji je naša narativa tako tuja. Torej utrjevanju že obstoječega prepričanja v točno določenih echo chamberjih.


Jebiga, to je cena demokracije.A nismo zato boljši od drugih? saj nočemo bit kot rusija,ki ima sam enoumje po medijih mar ne?

Sicer je pa tistih tako ali tako manj.saj vsi vidijo kdo je agresor itd...ali se motim? mediji niso naklonjeni putinu,politika tudi ne,..kaj potem tak strah,če zaradi šibke narative?


Kot sem že napisal, težava je da določen del ljudi v te stvari dejanko verjame. Osnovno pogaoj za delovanje demokracije so razgledani in izobraženi volivci. Trenutno je večina ujeta v informacijske mehurčke in je dejsnako možno, da ima en politik,entiteta.. več resnic paziti mora samo, da jih plasira točno določenim skupinam.

TESKAn ::

Ni treba zapret, je pa treba to povedat, na glas. Sam so potem snežinke užaljene in se hitijo opravičevat, ker kolonializem in ameriške vojne...
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.

Bauc ::

Notnow je izjavil:

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Tuckerjev intervju je namenjen točno določeni publiki, ki ji je naša narativa tako tuja. Torej utrjevanju že obstoječega prepričanja v točno določenih echo chamberjih.


Jebiga, to je cena demokracije.A nismo zato boljši od drugih? saj nočemo bit kot rusija,ki ima sam enoumje po medijih mar ne?

Sicer je pa tistih tako ali tako manj.saj vsi vidijo kdo je agresor itd...ali se motim? mediji niso naklonjeni putinu,politika tudi ne,..kaj potem tak strah,če zaradi šibke narative?

Kaj je zdaj s tem vsiljevanjem intervjuja s pomočjo obratne psihologije? Imaš identičeni pristop kot štumf in boti na twitterju :D A bodo rusi tuckerju plačali glede na število ogledov in rabi dodatno promocijo?

Pac-Man ::

Na začetku invazije so Rusi vseh 367 prebivalcev vasi Jahidne za cel marec zaprli v klet šole, kjer so imeli bazo. Kot talce.

Seveda so tam začeli umirat, ko so pa končno dovolili, da ujetniki pokopljejo umrle, so za hec odprli ogenj na pogrebnike.

Threadreader link je za tiste, ki nimate tvitr računa

https://twitter.com/RebHarms/status/175...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1755...

In this thread I share what I saw and heard yesterday about a terrible war crime against the people of a 🇺🇦 village.

This is the door to the basement of the school in #Yahidne, a village in #Chernihiv oblast.

And this is a stairway to hell. On 3 march 2022 367 citizens were forced by ruzzian soldiers to go down to the basement of the school and were incarcerated until the end of the month.
They stayed with hundreds in two rooms, the youngest was 1.5 months old. Many elderly were already sick before incarceration. They were not only denied food and medicine. They could never really breath because of lack of air.
The first person died after 5 days in the basement because the lack of oxygen in the room where not all could lay down but had to sit or even to stand in the narrow room. Many had water in the legs, so awfully that their skin bursted.
During the incarceration 10 people died. The dead bodies remained in the basement. When decomposition began and people suffered from the stench, the ruzzian soldiers allowed that some of their prisoners would bury the corpses.

During the funeral the ruzzians started shooting on the prisoners. For fun. They had to jump into the graves with the corpses to protect themselves.

The ruzzian soldiers let their ruzzian “newspapers” in the basement to make their prisoners aware that their army had liberated Ukraine from Nazi government and invasion was successful.
Whatsoever the ruzzian guards tried there were no traitors in Yahidne, not in the basement, not among those hiding in the village. The children refused to learn the ruzzian anthem but wrote the Ukrainian anthem on the walls of their prison.
This is the calendar of the incarcerated. Today we know 10 people died in the basement. 15 people were shot outside by the ruzzians. Being
kept in the basement, people from Yahidne tried to not forget the time,what day was and what happened. On 30 March their soldiers freed them.
The Reckoning @TRPUkraine Project and Public Interest Journalism Lab @PIJLab have documented this unbearable, terrible war crime,try to bring perpetrators to court. We show the doc film “The Most Frightening Day of My Life”

In Yahidne people are not only their houses but also the school. They will make it a place where people will commemorate and understand how ruzzian soldiers tortured and also killed them.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Spet block posting ;) , komentira Tuckerjev video o intervjuju

https://twitter.com/albats/status/17550...

Unbelievable! I am like hundreds of Russian journalists who have had to go into exile to keep reporting about the Kremlin's war against Ukraine. The alternative was to go to jail. And now this SoB is teaching us about good journalism, shooting from the $1000 Ritz suite in Moscow

https://twitter.com/albats/status/17550...

The Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow stands right across from Red Square. Its roof is controlled by one of the KGB's successors, the Federal Security Service. No one of us, and no one other foreign journalist, except for Oliver Stone, had that luxury of reporting from the roof top


bivši dopisnik iz Moskve, zdaj v Ukrajini

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status...

Because of course Elon would amplify this. By the way, I can’t remember any foreign journalist being allowed to film from the top of Moskva hotel. The presidential security service just don’t allow it for security reasons. (It overlooks Kremlin). Why the exception for Tucker?


moskovska dopisnica Sky News

https://twitter.com/DiMagnaySky/status/...

Yep. And to claim western journalists don’t interview Putin. It’s because the Kremlin says no to our requests, Tucker, every time. Because they see no benefit in being asked the hard questions. Plus airing it verbatim is a Kremlin pre-requisite, not a sign of press freedom.


Tudi Peskov pravi, da Tucker laže

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status...

Tucker already being called a liar by Peskov. They have had many requests to interview Putin, but had no interest in accepting.

That is until they finally got their proper propaganda outlet

Source:
https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/02/07/kr...




Spotoma sem na tvitr računu zgoraj citirane Jevgenije Albats našel tole

https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maskavas_...

The Latvian State Theater of Moscow "Skatuve" was initially, from 1919 to 1932, a theater studio directed by Osvalds Glāznieks , from 1932 to 1937 - a state theater . Liquidated in 1938 after the Soviet regime, of the NKVD as part of the "national operations" implementing the "Latvian operation" , arrested and shot all the employees of the theater - both creative staff and technical staff, including dressers - in the Butova mass grave . The theater was located at 8 Strastnoi boulevard ( Strastnoi бульвар ) in Moscow, where since 1924 the Latvian cultural and educational society "Prometeys" was also located .

The most famous actress was Maria Leiko , who joined the ensemble in its last season.

Vsi ubiti imajo nadaljnje življenjepise na latvijski wikipediji.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Kresnik ::

Notnow je izjavil:

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Tuckerjev intervju je namenjen točno določeni publiki, ki ji je naša narativa tako tuja. Torej utrjevanju že obstoječega prepričanja v točno določenih echo chamberjih.


Jebiga, to je cena demokracije.A nismo zato boljši od drugih? saj nočemo bit kot rusija,ki ima sam enoumje po medijih mar ne?

Sicer je pa tistih tako ali tako manj.saj vsi vidijo kdo je agresor itd...ali se motim? mediji niso naklonjeni putinu,politika tudi ne,..kaj potem tak strah,če zaradi šibke narative?


Kakšen strah?

Spremljam medije in edini strah pred Tuckerjevim intervijujem je v glavah rusofilov (alt-desnice, alt-levice in podobnih teoretikov zarote). Večini ljudi z zdravo pametjo pa je je jasno, da v tem intervjuju ne bo nobenih novin informacij. Samo papagajanje ruske propagande, ki jo poslušamo že od 2014 naprej.

bbbbbb2015 ::

Dal bi vam link na članek:
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukra...

V grobem, EU-27 bo dala 50 mrd EUR, ZDA bo dala 61 mrd $. Kolikor se razume, EU-27 bo dala tudi finančno pomoč, ki bo šla za plače, penzije v Ukrajini ZDA bo dala večji delež v orožju, manjši del pa finančno pomoč.

Teh 50 mrd EUR bo med letom 2024 in 2027. Je pa sedaj že jasno, da bo Ukrajina samo letos rabila 40 mrd EUR denarja (za kaj, ni natančno rečeno), ter je teh 50+61 milijard "chicken feed".

Čeprav je proračun EU 1074 milijard EUR in teh 50 miljard EUR ne bi smel biti problerm - je vedno problem. Vsaka milijarda EUR dana Ukrajini je vzeta nekje iz proračuna EU in torej nekje manjka.

ZDA se nagiba, da bi "vzeli" 200 milijard EUR ruskega denarja, kar so Rusi (ruska centralna banka) imeli za kliring v EU, vendar, če jim zaplenijo denar, je to zelo slabo za Evro.

Zato se eni nagibajo, da bi z 200 milijardami EUR ruskega denarja dejansko nastopali kot garanti za kredite, ki bi jih vzela Ukrajina. Ni potrebno posebej povedati, da je to eno in isto, kot opcija 1.

V vsakem primeru pa se bo EU morala sprijazniti z bridko resnico, da bo morda morala financirati večji del te vojne, na "vratih" EU-27.

Zgodovina sprememb…

bicican ::

Kar se mene tiče bi mi bilo super da je Rusija močna država, ki prosperíra. Čisto iz tega pogleda da imaš alternativo, če recimo zahod postane preveč gnil ali pa se znajdeš na napačni strani zakona, ko razkrivaš nečednosti na zahodu. Recimo da si žvigač kot Snowden ali Assange, je fino da obstaja opcija kamor se lahko umakneš in da ni totalni shithole.

Tako, da jaz nikakor nisem apriori proti Rusiji.
So se mi pa zasrali s tem kar počnejo v Ukrajini. In nečednosti ZDA niso izgovor za nečednosti Rusije. Two wrongs doesn't make it right.
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