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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

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damirj79 ::

mtosev je izjavil:

Koliko so Ukrajinci napredovali zadnje dni?


Hm, več kot rusi?

kow ::

Vprasanje je neumno. Da ti razlozim s primerom.

Koliko so Nemci napredovali v Stalingradu 13 - 17. septembra 1942? Kaksne zakljucke si lahko iz podatkov potegnil naslednji dan, torej 18. septembra 1942? Hvala za razlago!

Malidelničar ::

Ena taktična: ali smo narobe razmišjali in se na jugu osredotočili samo na Melitopol, medtem ko bi lahko bil odločilen že Tokmak (zaradi HIMARS-ovega dosega na Krim in Krimski most)? LP
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

kow ::

Ne razumem. Nic ni bolj ocitna tarca kot Tokmak, ker je najkrajsa razdalja do ukrajinske zmage v vojni (ceste in zeleznica + izohipse).

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Malidelničar ::

kow: Ja ker pred časom ko se je začelo o tem prodoru na jug šele govoriti, so strategi na polno omenjali Melitopol in prodor prav do obale ...
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Lesoto ::

fikus_ ::

Na kakšni L**T+ paradi.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

kow ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

kow: Ja ker pred časom ko se je začelo o tem prodoru na jug šele govoriti, so strategi na polno omenjali Melitopol in prodor prav do obale ...


Ce zavzames Tokmak, te bodo tezko ustavili, da prides do Melitopola.

gozdar1 ::

Včerajšnji ognjemet od blizu.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/...

Gregor P ::

Kakšen lep ognjemet:D
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

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Pac-Man ::

Spet poskušam skozi cenzuro na MMC, hvala tistemu, ki je tule pripel povezavo

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

Vodja proruskih oblasti v regiji Doneck Denis Pušilin je sporočil, da so ukrajinske sile v Makijivki obstreljevale naseljena območja, vključno z bolnišničnim kompleksom, pri da čemer je bilo poškodovanih več stanovanjskih stavb, bolnišnica, šola in vrtec.


V resnici so zadeli nedokončan (stanovanjski) kompleks kjer je bilo rusko skladišče streliva. Rezultat je bil lep ognjemet, posnetek z drona:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/...

V naslednjem tvitu je lokacija geolocirana, koordinate 48.067171539593026, 37.901618755425986
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Lonsarg ::

Prov smešno je kako sicer obe strani lažeta in zavajata, ampak Ukrajinci to delajo na zelo mehak način, vglavnem subtilno zavajanje, direktne laži zgolj redko.

Rusi pa tako na masovno direktne očitne laži lansirajo, da se človek res vpraša kaka je to Ruska publika, da propaganda ne rabi bit nič subtilna. Res ne razumem kaka publika mora to bit, da taka nesubtilna propaganda deluje na njih.

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Malidelničar ::

Lonsarg: Po eni strani sem presenečen, ker je bila ruska propaganda pred tole vojno zelo dodelana in subtilna.

Recimo kako so Zahod prepričali o neobstoječem ukrajinskem obstreljevanju Donjecka, pa nihče se ni spraševal o 'little green men' leta 2014 (za te se je izkazalo da so bili Wagnerjevci), pa recimo zelo učinkovita laž, da se bo Ukrajina razdelila na pol, ker je Vzhod "ruski" je pa ta vojna pokazala čisto drugačno sliko, pa kako so Rusijo slikali kot "krščansko" državo in zaščitnico "družinskih vrednot" in Bližnjevzhodnih kristjanov (recimo v času vojne v Siriji).

Tu je Rusom na žalost potrebno pripisati izjemno taktnost, kreativnost in učinkovitost. Dejansko jim je uspelo naslikati neverjetno sliko.

Po mojem so ruski timi na trol farmah sedaj v času vojne pod izjemnimem pritiskom in preprosto ne zmorejo več "kvalitetnega" dela, ki je bilo za njih značilno zanjih 10 let ko so oni diktirali tempo. Ob psihičnem pritisku vojne sta se njihova struktura in učinkovitost popolnoma razsuli in tu so jih Ukrajinci pri propagandi na koncu usodno prehiteli.
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Zmajc ::

Prigožin je pred kratkim po "uporu" dal fizično uničit svoje troll farme ko je pozaprl vsa podjetja v Rusiji. Me zanima kakšen vpliv bo to imelo na rusko propagando na spletu.

darkolord ::

Lonsarg je izjavil:

Rusi pa tako na masovno direktne očitne laži lansirajo, da se človek res vpraša kaka je to Ruska publika, da propaganda ne rabi bit nič subtilna. Res ne razumem kaka publika mora to bit, da taka nesubtilna propaganda deluje na njih.
Njihov koncept je tak: "mi vemo, da lažemo, ampak Zahod laže še bolj; in ne samo to, Zahod v svoje laži celo VERJAME, hahaha"

Malidelničar ::

Zmajc: nisem vedel, da jih je imel Prigožin čez.
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Gregor P ::

Bi bilo lepo, da bi še v ruskem primeru veljal izrek:
You can fool all people some of the time and some people all the time. But you can never fool all people all the time.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

mikhaair ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

Zmajc: nisem vedel, da jih je imel Prigožin čez.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/14/euro...

Smrekar1 ::

max00slo je izjavil:

Ne morem verjet kaj tu berem :D Kakšen sekret opranih ljudi je tu na ST. In to vse fura proukrajinske fore? A ste kdaj sploh poskusili biti nevtralni?
The New Atlas - Pobira novice iz svetovnih medijev, katere seveda naratirajo tisti, ki želijo imeti kaj od te vojne ter katere berete z veseljem tudi vi. Torej iz proukrajinskih medijev. Uporablja proukrajinsko mapo in lepo naniza kaj se dogaja in kako se dogaja. In vi vidite tukaj kaj... kot razlog vojne... kot razlog nadaljevanja vojne? Isusa...

https://www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas








Kredibilen vir, ni kaj.

AtaŠtumf ::

#SlovenijaPrva #SLOVEenianLivesMatter #SlavaGasilcem

TESKAn ::

Lonsarg je izjavil:

Prov smešno je kako sicer obe strani lažeta in zavajata, ampak Ukrajinci to delajo na zelo mehak način, vglavnem subtilno zavajanje, direktne laži zgolj redko.

Rusi pa tako na masovno direktne očitne laži lansirajo, da se človek res vpraša kaka je to Ruska publika, da propaganda ne rabi bit nič subtilna. Res ne razumem kaka publika mora to bit, da taka nesubtilna propaganda deluje na njih.

Ruske laži so za tujino, da se niti ne trudijo naredit laži 'verjetne' zgolj kaže na to, kaj si o nas mislijo.

Tu je Rusom na žalost potrebno pripisati izjemno taktnost, kreativnost in učinkovitost. Dejansko jim je uspelo naslikati neverjetno sliko.

Mislim da so zmeraj imeli bolj šalabajzerske laži, razlika zdaj je edino to, da so malo bolj pod drobnogledom. Plus jim gre na roko, da veliko ljudi na zahodu 'sovraži' ZDA in je dovolj 'Kaj pa zda'-izem, da so jim premnogi pripravljeni spregledat očitne laži.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.

cleanac ::

@AtaŠtumf

Imajo omejen dostop. Preberi raje poročilo samo, ne pa youtube video naslovov. Torej ni možno zagotoviti ali je minirano ali ne.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressre...

The IAEA experts have also been conducting regular walkdowns across the six reactor units and other areas around the site. Access to further areas is still expected, including parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system.

As previously indicated, the IAEA is aware of reports that mines and other explosives have been placed in and around the ZNPP, including mines near the cooling pond.

"We take all such reports very seriously and I have instructed our experts at the site to look into this matter and request the access they need for doing their job. Until now they have not observed any mines or other explosives. Further access will still be needed," Director General Grossi said.

As Director General Grossi said last week, no mines were observed at the site during his visit to the ZNPP on 15 June, his third in less than ten months. However, the IAEA has been aware of a previous placement of mines outside the plant perimeter, which the Agency has reported about earlier, and also at particular places inside.

The five basic principles for the protection of Europe's largest nuclear power plant (NPP) that Director General Grossi established on 30 May at the United Nations Security Council state that there should be no attack from or against the plant and that it should not be used as storage or a base for heavy weapons - multiple rocket launchers, artillery systems and munitions, and tanks.

"We need full access to be able to confirm that the five principles have not been violated, and we will continue to request the necessary access to all those areas essential to nuclear safety and security so that we can deliver on this mandate, including that the plant should not be used as storage or base for heavy weapons and munitions," Director General Grossi said, adding that the IAEA team had not reported any shelling or explosions over the past week and that the military presence at the site appears unchanged.

Gregor P ::

AtaŠtumf je izjavil:

YT video

Torej pred 5 dnevi, ko je bil na YT objavljen ta video, je iz štaba IAEA, torej Dunaja, imel ta intervju, kjer podaja informacije; v Zaporožju pa je bil še nekaj dni nazaj pred tem pogovorom. Dejal, pa je, da se tam razmere spreminjajo iz dneva v dan. Pri uničenju jezu, pravi, so upali, da se to ne bo zgodilo, a se pač je. In sedaj imajo pri nuklearki dodaten "sloj" (layer) skrbi, ker je ta elektrarna, ki je sedaj pod rusko okupacijo oz. kontrolo, direktno na fronti. Pravi, da njihovi ljudje so tam in poročajo vsak dan. Dejstvo je, da je to zelo volatilna situacija. In sploh nimajo možnosti, da bi lahko zaznali od kod prihaja nevarnost. A kljub temu pravi, da oni tam niso videli, da bi Rusi načrtovali napad na elektrarno, a v prihodnosti se lahko zgodi karkoli, kar ga skrbi.

Po vsem povedanem, ne bi jaz bil sedaj rad preveč blizu te elektrarne te dni.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

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Pac-Man ::

Saj strelja, ampak tole ni vredno naziva 2. vojske sveta.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu...

The downward spiral of the Russian Army appears to have arrived at the ‘Libyan rebels in 2011 stage’ 🇷🇺

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

lateralno od zgornje fotke, to

https://twitter.com/tankiemilk/status/1...

When the invasion wouldn’t happen



in to, OP fotke, menda razumen chicom, ki tvita Angleško

https://twitter.com/partizan_oleg/statu...

I don't think this is a Russia-apologist excuse; on the contrary, this is very reasonable. Many people, including myself, thought the same thing before Feb 24: Russia won't launch a full-scale invasion simply because it can't achieve its goal which was to conquer Ukraine.
However, as we have seen, Russia invaded unexpectedly and failed as expected. It seems that Putin held very different views on his gambit in Ukraine with us. Sadly Putin was wrong and he pushed his own country into the greatest geopolitical disaster since the end of the Cold War.

A dictator often act against common sense not because he is brilliant, but because he is long misinformed by his subordinates and has a totally wrong picture of view, since the system welcomes not truth, but the thing that the dictator wants to hear.
The higher position one holds in the hierarchy, the worse he is informed from his subordinates. The dictator himself could be completely locked in his echo chamber. He will feel powerful, ominous, that he controls everything, and he can win.
The final phase of this disease is one trying to act against the rule of our objective reality (military science is definately a part of it) and suddenly finds everything he thought before is just a delusion.
If one have to deal with dictatorships like Putin's in the foreseeable future, he should always take into account the unexpectedness from the misinformation around the dictator himself.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Lesoto ::

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/sta...
During a May visit to Kyiv, China's special representative for Eurasia, Li Hui, did not believe that American Patriot systems could shoot down Russian "Kinzhal". When Ukraine offered him to provide the evidence, Li Hui refused to study it" - Financial Times

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/sta...
"Significant amounts of US military assistance to Ukraine are kept secret, they are overseen by the CIA" - Newsweek
At the same time, CIA seeks to distance itself from everything that implies a direct attack on Russia- this restriction was personally established by Biden!

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Pac-Man ::

Originalno ime kanala je bilo AP Wagner, sicer brez komentarja

https://twitter.com/edubnewjeruz/status...
#Wagner Group #Telegram channel name changed to: Alex Parker Returns. Who tf is Alex Parker 🤷‍♂️

https://t.me/apwagner


https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/sta...

A Russian "military correspondent" wrote his reaction to the death of Ukrainian novelist Viktoria Amelina. Below is the translation of his Telegram post.

I decided to share this post for two reasons. The first is, obviously, the reaction itself to the death of a civilian woman, who was having dinner with her Colombian colleagues (@hectorabadf
among them) in Kramatorsk when Russia attacked the pizzeria with Iskander missile. And, secondly, I was appalled by the amount of support and approval this post(see the reactions section on the screenshot).


I was happy to learn that Lviv novelist Victoria Amelina also died as a result of the missile attack on Kramatorsk. She was in that very cafe where the blessed Iskander missile, which had been revered by the unhappy Russian people, flew in. Victoria was born in Lviv and being a flesh-and-blood stupid fool, she went to Canada with her parents. On the wave of Maidan she came back and began to praise this very Maidan. She chose expansionism of the moronic culture into the native Russian lands as the goal of her writings. She believed that there were wrong Ukrainians living in the East, russified and she needed to help fix them and bring them back into the fold of their native moronic "culture".

She founded a book festival in the village of New York (Ukraine), I remind you that this is a Russian village of Novgorodskoye, to promote her rotten ideas. So the Russian God struck this Ukrainian scum with a blow of justice retaliation. For every fool who cannot sit at home, there is a Iskander. Because God is with us. And he knows where to aim the Iskander. He won't miss. Be good! Burn in hell, you scum.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

bbbbbb2015 ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

Lonsarg: Po eni strani sem presenečen, ker je bila ruska propaganda pred tole vojno zelo dodelana in subtilna.

Recimo kako so Zahod prepričali o neobstoječem ukrajinskem obstreljevanju Donjecka, pa nihče se ni spraševal o 'little green men' leta 2014 (za te se je izkazalo da so bili Wagnerjevci), pa recimo zelo učinkovita laž, da se bo Ukrajina razdelila na pol, ker je Vzhod "ruski" je pa ta vojna pokazala čisto drugačno sliko, pa kako so Rusijo slikali kot "krščansko" državo in zaščitnico "družinskih vrednot" in Bližnjevzhodnih kristjanov (recimo v času vojne v Siriji).

Tu je Rusom na žalost potrebno pripisati izjemno taktnost, kreativnost in učinkovitost. Dejansko jim je uspelo naslikati neverjetno sliko.

Po mojem so ruski timi na trol farmah sedaj v času vojne pod izjemnimem pritiskom in preprosto ne zmorejo več "kvalitetnega" dela, ki je bilo za njih značilno zanjih 10 let ko so oni diktirali tempo. Ob psihičnem pritisku vojne sta se njihova struktura in učinkovitost popolnoma razsuli in tu so jih Ukrajinci pri propagandi na koncu usodno prehiteli.


Ne vem, kaj je točno mišljeno s subtilno rusko propagando, vendar je za 'little green men' bilo zelo hitro ugotovljeno, da gre za plačance, ter tudi kdo so bili poveljniki ipd.

Tudi o obstreljevanju Donecka, ko vidiš, da kdo piše o tem, je treba biti pazljiv ali je ruski plačanec ali povzema recimo, nekredibilen vir.

Težava je ta, da ko pridejo slike groze iz Buče, potem težko, zelo težko subtilno zagovarjaš Ruse. Potem, ko pa pride na dan, kako Rusi sami govorijo o rudnikih, poljih ipd. vidiš da gre za landgrab.

Kako zagovarjati landgrab? Saj ga ni mogoče zagovarjai.

Malidelničar ::

bbbbbb2015: malce off-topic je tu potrebno pohvaliti Natašo Pirc Musar, ko je bila še kandidatka in je na soočenju s tistimi 'loparčkarji' jasno povedala, da je Rusija agresor in da je pravo tukaj jasno. Se pravi NPM ve, da 'landgrab' ni sprejemljiv. Seveda so takrat številni prisotni nekaj naglas nergali, torej podpirajo ruski landgrab (verjetno so tudi srbskega).
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Lonsarg ::

bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:

Težava je ta, da ko pridejo slike groze iz Buče, potem težko, zelo težko subtilno zagovarjaš Ruse. Potem, ko pa pride na dan, kako Rusi sami govorijo o rudnikih, poljih ipd. vidiš da gre za landgrab.

Kako zagovarjati landgrab? Saj ga ni mogoče zagovarjai.
Ja dejansko zna bit to glavni razlog da je Ruska propaganda tako slaba in nesubtilna. Enostavno je težko delat dobro propagando za vlogo agresorja.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/alburov/status/1676...
AAAAAAAAAAA
Putin has a gym and a beauty parlor in an armored train



Članek v Ruščini

https://dossier.center/inside-train/

in 13-min video z angleškimi podnapisi o njegovem vlaku

Inside Putin’s $77.000.000 Armored Luxury Train | ENG SUBS


Today, the Dossier Center unveils never-before-seen photos, straight from Putin's armored train. He’s got it all: a gym, a cosmetology room, and even a hammam. Now we know absolutely everything about the presidential armored train, and we’ll show you every little detail.


Watch the initial armored train investigation here (ENG SUBS):


Watch an interview with Putin's escaped communications and security officer here (ENG SUBS):
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Lesoto ::

Rusija ma še cca 300 milijard evrov in dolarjev, ki jih lahko pretvori v rublje in s tem okrepi valuto.


A si ziher? S čim pa krijejo tistih 40-50 miljard proračunskega primankljaja iz prvih mesecih tega leta?

Pac-Man ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

V Čečeniji so na poti do letališča v Groznem "neznanci" ustavili taksi z novinarko Novaje Gazete in odvetnikom ter ju linčali

https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/stat...

Horrific attack on fearless journalist Elena Milashina and lawyer Nemov in Chechnya: car surrounded, beaten, gun to head. Elena had her head shaven, fingers broken, says Memorial

Elena has spent years reporting on human rights abuses in Chechnya, despite constant threats



https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/stat...

Horrific. Elena Milashina is a brilliant journalist who has exposed some of the worst human rights abuses in Chechnya. She’s had death threats before; left the country at times. It’s amazing she kept going back. Now this is what was done to her in Grozny



Hrbet novinarke:

https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/167...

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Nikec3 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

lateralno od zgornje fotke, to

https://twitter.com/tankiemilk/status/1...

When the invasion wouldn’t happen



in to, OP fotke, menda razumen chicom, ki tvita Angleško

https://twitter.com/partizan_oleg/statu...

I don't think this is a Russia-apologist excuse; on the contrary, this is very reasonable. Many people, including myself, thought the same thing before Feb 24: Russia won't launch a full-scale invasion simply because it can't achieve its goal which was to conquer Ukraine.
However, as we have seen, Russia invaded unexpectedly and failed as expected. It seems that Putin held very different views on his gambit in Ukraine with us. Sadly Putin was wrong and he pushed his own country into the greatest geopolitical disaster since the end of the Cold War.

A dictator often act against common sense not because he is brilliant, but because he is long misinformed by his subordinates and has a totally wrong picture of view, since the system welcomes not truth, but the thing that the dictator wants to hear.
The higher position one holds in the hierarchy, the worse he is informed from his subordinates. The dictator himself could be completely locked in his echo chamber. He will feel powerful, ominous, that he controls everything, and he can win.
The final phase of this disease is one trying to act against the rule of our objective reality (military science is definately a part of it) and suddenly finds everything he thought before is just a delusion.
If one have to deal with dictatorships like Putin's in the foreseeable future, he should always take into account the unexpectedness from the misinformation around the dictator himself.

Ta izjava pove vse in ni več kaj za dodat.
@WarpedOne o Elonu Musku:
"ST inteligenca serijskemu izdelovalcu "čudežev" očita pomanjkanje inteligence"

MadMen ::

Kje je Surovikin?
Millbloger Romanov je objavil sledeče:
So:
- Surovikin;
- Yudin;
- Guest.

For all of them, they are officially on vacation.

They are charged with leaking data on the coordination of the flight of our aircraft to the Wagners.


Še en ruski TG vir(se ne ukvarja z vojno kot tako, ampak z interno problematiko Rusije):
A VChK-OGPU source said that, as expected, on July 4, Sergei Surovikin did not appear at home. On this day, his wife Anna had a birthday. Moreover, since July 3, Anna and other family members have stopped communicating even with the general's very close friends and colleagues, which, according to the source, suggests that so far everything is not going well for Surovikin. He is in isolation in connection with checking the reports of his subordinates that Surovikin had something to do with Prigozhin's rebellion. The course of the reports is DPL and Shoigu personally supervises the check.


Lahko da na koncu ne bo nič, je pa vse skupaj zaključjo pri teh grešnih kozlih, vodja dunajskih dečkov pa je dobil še svoja odlikovanja nazayj.

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Malidelničar ::

Se pravi bo krivec Surovikin, kaj pa Prigožin? Brez kazni LOL? Nekaj pravijo, da ga ima v Belorusiji FSB na piki...
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Pac-Man ::

Da se ne bomo delali norca samo iz Rusov, ki po propagandnih plakatih lepijo zahodno/nacistično orožje in vojake

https://twitter.com/BDHerzinger/status/...
US Pacific Fleet Don’t Post Russian Ships and Aircraft on Independence Day Challenge 2023: Failed.

Recce prize goes to @vgmenon99! Kashin-class DDG, no longer in service in Russia but several still in the Indian Navy’s stable.

And @mgerrydoyle wins the air recce prize for identifying the Sukhois. I was never great at recce…bad Intel officer. Bad.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

MadMen ::

Ekonomske sankcije ne delujejo? Podatki pravijo drugače

bbbbbb2015 ::

MadMen je izjavil:

Kje je Surovikin?
Millbloger Romanov je objavil sledeĨe:
So:
- Surovikin;
- Yudin;
- Guest.

For all of them, they are officially on vacation.

They are charged with leaking data on the coordination of the flight of our aircraft to the Wagners.


Ĺ e en ruski TG vir(se ne ukvarja z vojno kot tako, ampak z interno problematiko Rusije):
A VChK-OGPU source said that, as expected, on July 4, Sergei Surovikin did not appear at home. On this day, his wife Anna had a birthday. Moreover, since July 3, Anna and other family members have stopped communicating even with the general's very close friends and colleagues, which, according to the source, suggests that so far everything is not going well for Surovikin. He is in isolation in connection with checking the reports of his subordinates that Surovikin had something to do with Prigozhin's rebellion. The course of the reports is DPL and Shoigu personally supervises the check.


Lahko da na koncu ne bo niĨ, je pa vse skupaj zakljuĨjo pri teh greťnih kozlih, vodja dunajskih deĨkov pa je dobil ťe svoja odlikovanja nazayj.


Jaz verjamem, da bo Surovikin nazaj. Sigurno, da sta Šojgu in Gerasimov nekako pogasila upor, ki je bil, pro-forma namenjen proti njima (in ne Putinu). In zdaj iščeta, bom rekel, grešne kozle oz. krivca. Lahko, da bosta s prstom pokazala na Surovikina, vendar mogoče Surovikin ne bo odletel. Stvar je podobna, kot tisti en general, ki so ga obdolžili izgube Harkova in vzhodnega dela zasedene Ukrajine.

Zdaj se že ve, da je vzhodni del padel, ker so Rusi imeli premalo vojakov in jih mobilizacija ni mogla zagotoviti dovolj hitro. To je težko objektivna krivda generala, ob dejstvu, da so Rusi imeli ukaze za prodiranje (in ne vkopavanje, oz. obrambo). Te ukaze pa je dal Gerasimov, on pa jih je dobil od Šojguja, Šojgu pa jih je dobil od Putina.

Surovikin je spoznal, da Rusi nimajo resursov in je strokovno pravilno ocenil situacijo.

To je zelo dragoceno, ker lahko bi bili Rusi popolnoma nepripravljeni in nevkopani in dejansko bi danes bežali kot zajci. Putin bo spoznal, da pač vse poti niso ravne, ene so vijugate, zdaj pa imajo narativo, da so oni vse pravilno naredili, da pa Ukrajini pomaga "Zahod" in dejansko se to ni dalo predvideti (mogoče res ne, mogoče pa ja).

Je pa Putin sedaj ugotovil, da njegov padec ni bil daleč, da *NIHČE* v Rusiji ni s prstom mignil zanj, razen tistih gradbenih delavcev, ki so prekopavali cesto, da Prigožin ne bi mogel preko.

rationlibe00 ::

MadMen je izjavil:

Ekonomske sankcije ne delujejo? Podatki pravijo drugače


Putin pravi da so zaradi sankcij še močnejši https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co... :))

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Bauc ::

rationlibe00 je izjavil:

MadMen je izjavil:

Ekonomske sankcije ne delujejo? Podatki pravijo drugače


Putin pravi da so zaradi sankcij še močnejši https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co... :))

Očitno je situacija še hujša kot si predstavljamo :))

mailer ::

Se kaj govori o tihi spremembi nato člena, ki govori o tem, da se lahko aktivira člen 5 oz 4 v kolikor radiacija doseže države, ki so v natu ali je to samo fake news?
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Unilseptij ::

Fake news. NATO se lahko aktivira samo v primeru oboroženega napada na ozemlje države članice. Mislim, da še imamo toliko elementarne resnicoljubnosti, da razstrelitve nuklearke v tretji državi ne moremo šteti za oborožen napad na ozemlje države članice, tudi če radioaktivno onesnaženje pride skozi. Hec je seveda, da bo v takem primeru tak detajl čisto nepomemben in bo zgražanje tako, da se bo NATO vseeno aktiviral, tako ali tako pa ne bo jasno, kdo je zadevo razstrelil. Zdaj je očitno, da nas že zelo srbijo prsti, ker se nam zdi, da manjka čisto malo, mogoče ena ali dve polno opremljeni brigadi na strateških točkah fronte s polno podporo zahodnega letalstva in raket dolgega dosega in usklajenimi akcijami z Ukrajinsko vojsko, bi verjetno vsaj kratkoročno spremenila razmerja na bojišču in Rusijo prisilila vsaj v delni umik in spremembo strategije. Ni si pa potrebno delati nobenih utvar, da v svojih računicah Rusi niso predvideli tudi takega scenarija, zato so možna tudi presenečenja. Kdo ve, kako bi se odzvali... raje ne razmišljam o tem.

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
- on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
- on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

jernejl ::

Unilseptij je izjavil:

Fake news. NATO se lahko aktivira samo v primeru oboroženega napada na ozemlje države članice. Mislim, da še imamo toliko elementarne resnicoljubnosti, da razstrelitve nuklearke v tretji državi ne moremo šteti za oborožen napad na ozemlje države članice, tudi če radioaktivno onesnaženje pride skozi.
Nedvomno bi to bil oborožen napad na državo članico. Vse ostalo je sprenevedanje.
To je nekako tako, kot če bi NATO vojska nekje tik ob ruski meji v trenutku, ko bi bili vetrovi primerni, uporabila kemično, biološko ali radiološko orožje in bi strupeni oblaki šli nad ozemlje rusije. Bi potem rusi tudi rekli, da jih NATO v resnici ni napadel, ampak je napadel neko tretje ozemlje, krivdo za potujoče strupene oblake pa bi pripisali nekomu tretjemu... recimo gospodu vsemogočnemu tam zgoraj? :))
Mislim, če je tako, potem se lahko pač gremo tako igro. Če rusi nad ozemlje NATA pošljejo strupen oblak, ga NATO pošlje tudi nad rusijo.

Hec je seveda, da bo v takem primeru tak detajl čisto nepomemben in bo zgražanje tako, da se bo NATO vseeno aktiviral
Ukrepanje bi zagotovo bilo popolnoma smiselno. Če bomo vojskam tretjih držav kar tako dovolili zastrupljanje našega naroda in se pri tem ne vojaško odzvali, potem je brezveze, da svojo vojsko sploh še imamo.

Ni si pa potrebno delati nobenih utvar, da v svojih računicah Rusi niso predvideli tudi takega scenarija, zato so možna tudi presenečenja.
Rusi marsičesa niso predvideli, ali pa so predvideli popolnoma narobe in precenili svoje vojaške sposobnosti. Ni si treba delati utvar, da bo tokrat kaj bistveno drugače. Če pa bi nekako rusi vseeno bili sposobni to predvideti in ustrezno odreagirati, bodo pač pobegnili, ker resursov za boj protu NATO državam niti približno nimajo dovolj in je umik zanje edina smiselna rešitev.

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BorutO ::

Zanimiva statistika:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/nato-pr...

In potem bi naj Rusi imeli čez 9000 tankov pred vojno ... Ja, upoštevajoč tiste iz muzejev iz prve svetovne vojne res. Če imajo ti teroristi še vsaj 1000 tankov, ki so narejeni od leta 1990, so res zmagali. Od 9000 tankov jih je 80% neuporabnih oz. uničenih ali pa še jih kar niso uspeli prestaviti iz muzejev.

MadMen ::

Financial Time je objavil članek, da je "Putinov šef" Xi Jing Ping osebno rekel Putinu naj ne uporabi nuklearnega orožja v Ukrajini...

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TESKAn ::

jernejl je izjavil:

Bi potem rusi tudi rekli, da jih NATO v resnici ni napadel, ampak je napadel neko tretje ozemlje, krivdo za potujoče strupene oblake pa bi pripisali nekomu tretjemu... recimo gospodu vsemogočnemu tam zgoraj? :))

Rusi že zdaj pravijo, da so v spopadu z NATOm, tako da...
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.

Gregor P ::

Uuu tale B.V. na RTVS si pa upa danes:
Rusija več mesecev izvaja smrtonosne raketne napade in napade z brezpilotnimi letali na ukrajinska mesta, pri čemer so pogoste zadete civilne tarče.

Samo prejšnji teden je bilo v Kramatorsku na vzhodu Ukrajine ubitih 13 ljudi, vključno z otroki.


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You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

AtaŠtumf ::

Koliko jedrskih je v Ukrajini in logika pro-Ukrajincev je, da bodo Rusi raztrelili edino, ki je pod njihovim vplivom in je najbližje Rusiji?

Odlična logika.

Za vse take, ki take oslarije verjamejo, imam most na voljo za prodajo...
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gozdar1 ::

Zakaj bi ukrajinci razstreljevali jedrske v ukrajini?

To je šele odlična logika, tam nekje skupaj s tem, da ukrajinci bombardirajo sami sebe.

Siver pa je precej očitno, da putin dobiva frizirana poročila podrejwnih. Ker tale "posebna operacija" ni mogla biti načrtovana na realnih osnovah.
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