Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Kaj bi bilo najbolj ironično po koncu vojne ... da bi se del Rusije priključil Ukrajini.

Hm, Bild je objavil, da rusi trdijo, da je Ukrajina pravkar začela dolgo pričakovano protiofenzivo ...

nit:

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/...

Men evacuated from Shebekino are causing havoc at Belgorod State University, where they've been relocated. Students are complaining of sexual harassment, drunkenness and rowdy behaviour. "Get together as a group, find those men and smash their faces in," one student says. ⬇️

https://twitter.com/european_memes/stat...

Saj ne da koga preseneča, očitno so rusi uporabili beli fosfor na ruskih upornikih v Shebekinu in na svojem lastnem mestu.

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1665...

Zmajc je 5. jun 2023 ob 08:49 izjavil:

Saj ne da koga preseneča, očitno so rusi uporabili beli fosfor na ruskih upornikih v Shebekinu in na svojem lastnem mestu.

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1665...

Ja zgodbe iz Belgoroda še ni konec.
Po mojem je to ukrajinska strategija, ki jo bomo videli poleti: Vzporedno z ukrajinskimi protinapadi na jugu bodo potekali vpadi ruske legije v Belgorod (pa tudi recimo proti Kursku).
Tako, da se bo na takšne novice potrebno navaditi IMHO.

Jap, začenja se. Zdaj bojo bockali na večih lokacijah hkrati, potem pa na eni od njih udarili na polno.

Pac-Man je 4. jun 2023 ob 09:45 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/PigLazer/status/166...

Though the term 'D-Day' was never used till the day in question, allied broadcasters had been making it clear there would be a counterattack against Nazi Germany since 1943.
Do you know what the Nazis said after months with no invasion in sight?
No one remembers.

Hehe "NATO is losing".... tudi ce ukrajina zgubi, NATO ne zgubi. Ko so Americani okupirali Afganistan in Irak je amerika kup resourcov pokurila, tko da iz stalisca Rusije in Kitajske je bilo to dobro. Tukaj je zdaj obratno, vsak izid pomeni velik resource drain za Rusijo in zmago za Americane. Ze sam napad in mednarodni dogodki, ki so sledili so ogromna zmaga za Americane:
- potisnilo evropo stran od sodelovanja z rusijo in v roke americanom
- prepricalo dodatne drzave za clanstvo v Natu
- zmanjsalo sodelovanje EU in kitajske
- lepo so razstrelil plinovod in so pokazal rusom in evropi kdo je tukaj glavni, da ne bi evropejci kej razmisljal o tem, da bi spet ruski plin kupoval

Zgleda, da so Ukiji začeli ofenzivo, uporabljajo novoformirane enote namenjene za ofenzivo. Kot ponavadi sami o ofenzivi ne poročajo, medijska blokada.

https://t.me/remylind21/3025

Results for Velika Novoselovka and Ugledar.

The attack towards Velikonovoselovsky that was repelled today was most likely only the first wave. According to the radio logs and other intelligence data, the enemy is currently preparing a new attack in this sector of the front. At the same time, it's worth noting that Ukies throw fresh, not-yet-really-tested-in-combat units into battle. By repelling the attack, we defeated at least two enemy companies. Nevertheless, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are again piling up equipment in the depths of the front. we wait tomorrow Good luck to the guys who are in charge there. Separately, it is worth mentioning the gunners of the Kaskad OBTF, who today recorded most of the destroyed enemy equipment on their sniper account. Well, air reconnaissance worked perfectly, finding columns with reserves in time, which today, as it turns out, never reached.

According to my information, UA has lost up to 35 armored vehicles in all the attacks today. Including at least 10 tanks. The losses in personnel are also very significant and high.

Kremelj ima načrt za primer vojne: elita v bunker, kaj pa državljani?
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/krem...

Da bi se zaščitil pred napadi ukrajinskih brezpilotnikov in raket, Kremelj namerava pod elitno bolnišnico v Moskvi zgraditi ogromen bunker, v katerega bi se lahko zateklo do 800 ljudi. Imel naj bi več vhodov ter zasilni izhod, sofisticiran sistem prezračevanja in posebne komunikacijske sisteme. Zgrajen naj bi bil v rekordnem času.

Beri, postavili bodo ladijski kontejner v klet lokalnega shopping centra, napisala na vrata: za 800 ljudi, majke mi! in si razdelili par milijonov dolarjev.

Še Mikael Valtersson o dogajanju v Zaporožju, pravi da so obeti za Ukrajinsko ofenzivo bolj slabi.

https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/sta...


ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS JUNE 4
June 4th UkrAF scaled up offensive operations on the Southern Front, but the losses are too high for long time success. Earlier operations were mainly reconnaissance in force with platoon and company sized combat groups. Yesterday the ukrainian forces seemed to be battalion sized combat groups. According to Russian MoD 8 UkrAF battalions was involved in offensive operations SE of Mala Tokmachka (1), at the Vremivka salient (2) and East of Vuhledar towards Velikonovoselovka (3). The fighting was intense, but on most places ukrainian forces was turned back, mainly by intense russian artillery and air attacks. On some places UkrAF succeeded in capturing a couple of hundred meters.

There are two different media stories about the fighting. The ukrainian side is very quiet about both the attacks and eventual losses on their side. Russian sources are much more liberal with information, both in text and videos. IF the russian information is correct, this explains the ukrainian silence, since the ukrainian side seldom concedes major losses on their side and tries to shift attention to other subjects.

According to the russian side, ukrainian losses amount at least 10 tanks, nearly 40 IFVs or APCs and at least 250 eliminated (KIA or very badly WIA). With this number of eliminated, the number of wounded would probably be 750-1000.

Are these numbers true, the prospects for a ukrainian counteroffensive looks very dim. This is even if we don't take into account the ongoing intense russian air and artillery offensive against UkrAF troop concentrations, ammunition and fuel depots.

With losses of over 1000 KIA and WIA that means that a ukrainian brigade of 4000 man loose at least 25 percent of its manpower. That's on the brink of making a brigade unusable. Two days fighting with such losses would destroy a brigades battle capability. 24 days with such losses would in effect destroy the entire fist of 12 brigades UkrAF has gathered for the counteroffensive. With losses of around 12 brigades, 25 000 KIA/WIA, 250 tanks and 1000 IFVs/APCs all the strategic reserves UkrAF has built during the last 6 months would be gone. In exchange the ukrainian side could have advanced maybe 10 km on some places or more generally 2-3 km along maybe half the southern front.

Once again, IF the russian claims are true, RuAF must feel relieved and UkrAF very worried by the results of the fighting on the Southern front June 4th.

Ukrajinci iščejo šibko točko. Če bi prodrli skozi prvo RU linijo, je zadaj verjetno čakalo več UA vojske in oklepne mašinerije, da se na hitro pridružijo konici napada.

Prigožin je 5. jun 2023 ob 12:46 izjavil:

Še Mikael Valtersson o dogajanju v Zaporožju, pravi da so obeti za Ukrajinsko ofenzivo bolj slabi.

https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/sta...


ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS JUNE 4
June 4th UkrAF scaled up offensive operations on the Southern Front, but the losses are too high for long time success. Earlier operations were mainly reconnaissance in force with platoon and company sized combat groups. Yesterday the ukrainian forces seemed to be battalion sized combat groups. According to Russian MoD 8 UkrAF battalions was involved in offensive operations SE of Mala Tokmachka (1), at the Vremivka salient (2) and East of Vuhledar towards Velikonovoselovka (3). The fighting was intense, but on most places ukrainian forces was turned back, mainly by intense russian artillery and air attacks. On some places UkrAF succeeded in capturing a couple of hundred meters.

There are two different media stories about the fighting. The ukrainian side is very quiet about both the attacks and eventual losses on their side. Russian sources are much more liberal with information, both in text and videos. IF the russian information is correct, this explains the ukrainian silence, since the ukrainian side seldom concedes major losses on their side and tries to shift attention to other subjects.

According to the russian side, ukrainian losses amount at least 10 tanks, nearly 40 IFVs or APCs and at least 250 eliminated (KIA or very badly WIA). With this number of eliminated, the number of wounded would probably be 750-1000.

Are these numbers true, the prospects for a ukrainian counteroffensive looks very dim. This is even if we don't take into account the ongoing intense russian air and artillery offensive against UkrAF troop concentrations, ammunition and fuel depots.

With losses of over 1000 KIA and WIA that means that a ukrainian brigade of 4000 man loose at least 25 percent of its manpower. That's on the brink of making a brigade unusable. Two days fighting with such losses would destroy a brigades battle capability. 24 days with such losses would in effect destroy the entire fist of 12 brigades UkrAF has gathered for the counteroffensive. With losses of around 12 brigades, 25 000 KIA/WIA, 250 tanks and 1000 IFVs/APCs all the strategic reserves UkrAF has built during the last 6 months would be gone. In exchange the ukrainian side could have advanced maybe 10 km on some places or more generally 2-3 km along maybe half the southern front.

Once again, IF the russian claims are true, RuAF must feel relieved and UkrAF very worried by the results of the fighting on the Southern front June 4th.

Poročajo, da je nekje UA že prebila linije! Vendar sami molčijo, vse kar je, pišejo ruski blogerji.

Vse tvoje napovedi niso vredne pol kurca :)

Prej smo en mesec poslušal tvoje drekanje od mrtvem zaluzhnyem.
Sedaj bomo pa očitno en mesec o propadli ofenzivi

Se zavedaš, da je to vnaprej pripravljena Ruska propagandna Psyops akcija, da demoralizirajo Ukrajince? Večina objavljenega materjala je bila verjetno pripravljena še preden so Ukrajinci zaćeli z boji.

Aja ne, rusi "o vsem poročajo korektno in nikoli ne lažejo".

Zmajc je 5. jun 2023 ob 11:46 izjavil:

Glede na to da je Putin vojsko vedno imel zelo podhranjeno in samo projiciral njeno moč v stilu Potemkinovih vasi, res ne vem kako je mislil doseči te cilje.

Verjetno tako, kot so Sovjeti zatrli Čehoslovake, Madžare. Zapeljejo se malo s tanki. Politiki se ustrašijo.

Ukrajinci so bili že v naprej odločeni, da se predajo pa ne, za nobeno ceno. In na tej točki se je Rusom 3. dan ofenzive ali pač tu nekje - zalomilo. Zmanjkalo hrane, goriva, vsega. Vse ostalo se potem podira kot domine.

xseki je 5. jun 2023 ob 12:20 izjavil:

Kremelj ima načrt za primer vojne: elita v bunker, kaj pa državljani?

Državljani pa najprej v zapore, od tam pa na fronto v Ukrajino. Temu se strokovno reče dvostopenjska rekrutacija.

Malidelničar je 5. jun 2023 ob 14:04 izjavil:

Je kaj novega v Belgorodu/Bilhorodu?
Boji se še niso polegli. Rusi so zavrnili izmenjavo POW-jev. Rusi so s fosforjem bombardirali lastne civilne objekte, plus prišlo je do razpada javnega reda in miru (ropanja). To so moje zadnje info, ima kdo kaj več?

Ni. Edino morda to, da so Ruski borci za svobodo vdrli v Rusijo na štirih krajih dodatno, ter v večjem številu, vsega skupaj 500 borcev. To je že bataljon. To Rusi če ne bodo pazili, bodo tile prišli do Belgoroda. V enem od prejšnjih poročil je bilo rečeno, da je še 2x 2000 borcev. To sta dve bataljonski skupini.

Drugače pa napadajo v formaciji bataljona. Tanki naprej, transporterji zadaj, iz krila pa protioklepna, protiletalska zaščita, naprej imajo izvidnico, zadaj zaščitnico s snajperji. To so se pripravili. Ni to, da bi šli po kosilu ali igrat karte ali pa Ruse napadat.

Rusija v manjši meri odgovarja na te provokacije, v glavnem z posredovanjem vojaškega krila FSB. To je, po mojem mnenju, prešibko. To je nivo žandarjev, oboroženi z avtomatskim orožjem. Taki se ne morejo zoperstaviti mehanizirani jurišni brigadi, oboroženi za protiletalski in protioklepni boj.

Rusi so nekaj bombardirali položaje Ruskih borcev za svobodo, vse zgrešili, ter dosti škode naredili na premoženju. Ti butli ruski bodo še okolico Belgoroda zravnali z zemljo.

Ruski borci za svobodo bodo zmesarili policaje, FSBjevce. Prigožin je rekel, da bo on šel branit Belgorod, če bo treba. Ukrajinci so z HIMARSI napadli železniške povezave, tako da morda bo moral Prigožin peš do tja.

Prigožin: Del Berhivke je že izgubljen, ruski vojaki pa mirno bežijo. Sramota!

Prvo NATO generale, sedaj so začeli tolčti še "specialiste" iz ZDA :D

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/sta...

Zmajc je 5. jun 2023 ob 14:37 izjavil:

o0o0o0o0o0 je 5. jun 2023 ob 14:31 izjavil:

Prvo NATO generale, sedaj so začeli tolčti še "specialiste" iz ZDA :D

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/sta...

Ja, ameriške specialce brez izkušenj so poslali tranirat na ruse, ki pa so tako vrhunsko izvežbani specialci z tono izkušenj, da so jih čisto vse pobili kot za šalo.

Cel platoon, med 20 in 50 specialcev! ;) Če bi ti blo res, bi Rusi dali državni praznik in sliko na vse kanale kar je možno. :D

A platoon is a military unit typically composed of two to four squads, sections, or patrols. Platoon organization varies depending on the country and the branch, but a platoon can be composed of 20–50 troops,[1] although specific platoons may range from 10[2] to 100 people.[3] A platoon is typically the smallest military unit led by a commissioned officer. The platoon leader is usually a junior officer—a second or first lieutenant or an equivalent rank. The officer is usually assisted by a platoon sergeant.

MEARSHEIMER: Russia is poised to take 4 additional provinces of Ukraine, including Odessa, controlling half the country

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"A lot of people think that the Russians are bent, and have been bent since February 24, 2022, in conquering all of Ukraine, and then absorbing it into a greater Russia," Mearsheimer said. "The Russians have never been interested in that, and they're not gonna try to do that."
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https://humanevents.com/2023/05/25/mear...

Lesoto je 5. jun 2023 ob 16:44 izjavil:

Ukrajinci itak ne bodo nič obveščali. Pa niti ne vemo, kje bo glavni push.

Glavni vir kolikor toliko točnih informacij bo verjetno pritoževanje (pro)rusov na fronti

https://twitter.com/wartranslated

Malo razmišljam. Ali obstaja kaka varianta da bi ukrajinci z večjo udarno silo prestopili nebranjeno rusko mejo in Donbas napadli od zadaj v hrbet z ruske strani?
Tako bi se izognili utrjenim ruskim položajem in odrezali Donbas.
Podobno so nemci opravili z Maginotovo linijo.

The US confirms that Ukraine's counteroffensive has started