Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 14:10 izjavil:

gozdar1 je 13. maj 2023 ob 12:57 izjavil:

Tu nekaj bluzijo še of su 35, ne vem koliko verodostojno.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/sta...

Potrdili tudi Rusi, verjetno imajo Ukiji kako novo protizračno obrambo tam pri Bryansku.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45889

Both pilot and navigator of the Su-34 fighter shot down in the Bryansk region were killed.
The loss of two Mi-8 helicopters in the Bryansk region was also confirmed. It is clear the enemy has brought air defense systems into the area adjacent to Bryansk region.

Ne vem rambutan, na telegramu pisejo:

According to Russian media security services in Briansk region are looking for saboteurs who used MANPADS in Klintsy region

Niso peljali AA sistemov v Rusijo.
Ukrajinci se drzijo svojega ozemlja.

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 16:22 izjavil:

mackilla je 13. maj 2023 ob 15:30 izjavil:

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 15:08 izjavil:

mackilla je 13. maj 2023 ob 15:01 izjavil:

Če so jih sestrelili imajo verjetno kakšne dokaze Sicer očitno spet bluziš,ker očitno mig 29 sploh ni uporabnen za Storm Shadow.

The Ukrainian Air Force’s MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets and Su-25 Frogfoot attack jets are likely unable to carry the Storm Shadow. Each missile weighs around almost 2,900 pounds. The heaviest weapons routinely carried by the MiG-29 and Su-25 are only around 1,100 pounds each. The heaviest-lifting stores pylons on the Frogfoot can only accommodate weapons of 1,100 pounds, and heavier weapons are rarely ever seen on early-model MiG-29s.

This would seem to suggest that the Su-27 Flanker fighter jet and/or the Su-24 Fencer strike aircraft would be the likely candidates as Storm Shadow shooters. These larger aircraft have much greater payload capacities and the Su-24, in particular, can routinely carry weapons of over 3,300 pounds each.

The Su-24 bomber and the Mig-29 fighter aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force that carried out a missile strike against Lugansk have been shot down by the Russian Air Forces, the Russian Defence Ministry has stated

MiG-29 za ADM-160B MALD raketo in SU-24 za SS, kaj pa tebi ni jasno spet?

https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status...

Daj še pokaži sestreljena letala. Bo šlo ali ti kaj ni jasno?

Sestreljena letala so na ukrajinskem ozemlju, lahko kar Ukrajince zaprosiš za dokaze.

Kako pa Ukrajincem verjameš, da prestrežejo vse ruske rakete, brez da bi karkoli pokazali? Kdaj se zgodi, da Ukrajinci poročajo da so prestregli več raket, kot so jih Rusi sploh izstrelili. Posledice napadov pa pokažejo samo takrat, kadar lahko trdijo da so to civilne stavbe. Bo šlo ali ti kaj ni jasno?

A hočeš povedati,da nimaš nikakršnih dokazov za sestreljena Ukrajinska letala? To bi lahko povedal že na začetku Kakšne dokaze pa imaš,da so Rusi dejansko izstrelili manj raket kot trdijo Ukrajinci? Uh? Ti je že kaj jasno

Nikec3 je 13. maj 2023 ob 13:35 izjavil:

Realnost pa je, vseeno ta, da je evropska (in slovenska) ekonomija pod velikim pritiskom. Inflacija, protesti, firme, sploh tiste, ki porabijo dosti energije, zapirajo vrata. Slovenski nacionalni dolg raste.

Ni, da bi počepnili ali pokleknili, samo gospodarstvo je kar pod pritiskom. Upam, da se tega zavedaš.

V tem zapisu je kar nekaj laži.
1. Slovenski dolg/BDP je lani padel iz 74% na 69%.
2. Inflacija je trenutno po celem zahodnem svetu in se trenutno zmanjšuje.
3. To, da firme zapirajo vrata je BS, ker imamo rekordno nizko brezposelnost.

Napačega si se lotil. Dolg je iz lani na danes zrasel in abolutno in kot procent BDP:
https://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?no...

Lani je bil dolg 36,7 mrd € zdaj je 38 mrd €. Lani je bil 62,2% BDP, zdaj je 64,4% BDP.
Inflacija je še vedno malo manj kot 10%.

Nezaposlenost je enaka že ves čas:
https://tradingeconomics.com/slovenia/u...

Talum je vrata zaprl:
https://www.rtvslo.si/gospodarstvo/talu...

Zakaj povzemaš rusko MOD? A si njihov PR?

Povečala se bo prodaja AA ruskega orožja in zmanjšala prodaja letalskega dela...

bbbbbb2015 je 13. maj 2023 ob 16:53 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 13. maj 2023 ob 13:35 izjavil:

Realnost pa je, vseeno ta, da je evropska (in slovenska) ekonomija pod velikim pritiskom. Inflacija, protesti, firme, sploh tiste, ki porabijo dosti energije, zapirajo vrata. Slovenski nacionalni dolg raste.

Ni, da bi počepnili ali pokleknili, samo gospodarstvo je kar pod pritiskom. Upam, da se tega zavedaš.

V tem zapisu je kar nekaj laži.
1. Slovenski dolg/BDP je lani padel iz 74% na 69%.
2. Inflacija je trenutno po celem zahodnem svetu in se trenutno zmanjšuje.
3. To, da firme zapirajo vrata je BS, ker imamo rekordno nizko brezposelnost.

Napačega si se lotil. Dolg je iz lani na danes zrasel in abolutno in kot procent BDP:
https://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?no...

Lani je bil dolg 36,7 mrd € zdaj je 38 mrd €. Lani je bil 62,2% BDP, zdaj je 64,4% BDP.
Inflacija je še vedno malo manj kot 10%.

Nezaposlenost je enaka že ves čas:
https://tradingeconomics.com/slovenia/u...

Talum je vrata zaprl:
https://www.rtvslo.si/gospodarstvo/talu...

V Nemčiji imajo tudi gospodarske težave. Višje cene energije, butalci so še jedrske elektrarne zaprli. Nemška avtomobilska industrija zaostaja za Kitajci pri električnih vozilih. Nemški Zeleni bi pa še Kitajce sankcionirali, to se ne bo dobro končalo...

https://twitter.com/perfiliev/status/16...

Wow, -10.7% decline in Germany factory orders vs -2.3% expected, highlighting much lower demand for goods from the European largest economy.

There were only two times in the last 30+ years when German factory orders fell by a larger amount - Covid and 1991.

https://twitter.com/DanielKral1/status/...

Germany is in search of a new growth model, as the previous growth driver - its industry - has been in secular decline since 2018. German industrial output is now down by over 10% relative to 2010-19 trend. No wonder alarm bells are ringing and subsidies are cooking in Berlin...

A da Rusi ne bi zaznali radarja tam? Pa da SU35S ne bi zaznal izstrelitev SA raket?

Nekaj let v preteklost.
Rusko govoreči ukrajinski predsednik judovske narodnosti:
Na vzhodu in Krimu ljudje želijo govoriti ruščino...
https://twitter.com/MindSpeak12/status/...

Lesoto je 13. maj 2023 ob 17:31 izjavil:

A da Rusi ne bi zaznali radarja tam? Pa da SU35S ne bi zaznal izstrelitev SA raket?

Daleč od fronte, že mesece povsem mirno.

Sistem je bil verjetno na treh ali štirih tovornjakih (lanser, radar, kontrolna enota, mogoče generator). Postaviš, prižgeš radar, na kar se posveti izstreliš salvo raket.
Ko Rusom postane jasno, kaj se je zgodilo, si že daleč stran.

primoz4p je 13. maj 2023 ob 17:39 izjavil:

Nekaj let v preteklost.
Rusko govoreči ukrajinski predsednik judovske narodnosti:
Na vzhodu in Krimu ljudje želijo govoriti ruščino...
https://twitter.com/MindSpeak12/status/...

In kdo jim brani govorit Ruščino? Vox Populi pro-ruskega medija v Harkivu mesec pred invazijo. Vsi govorijo Rusko in se norčujejo iz izjave ta istega predsednika, da bo Rusija verjetno napadla in to najprej njihovo mesto

So Putin will attack or not? Poll of Antonina Beloglazova | Country.ua


Ruska TV, ta teden:

Russian propagandists talk about killing millions of Ukrainians


Govor ruskega ambasadorja v Oxfordu, ta teden:

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/statu...

On Thursday 11 May, there was a talk by #Russia’s ambassador Kelin in #Oxford, #UK. It was not organised by / took place at @UniofOxford.
It was organised by Oxford Russian Club, which is a society not affiliated with the University.
I decided that if the event was taking place, I was to attend to be able to ask the ambassador challenging questions, thus undermining his narratives.
As a former president of the Oxford University Russian Society in 2000 I could attend the event for free, and was given three questions.
Again - I did not pay. Otherwise I would not have attended.

Kelin started with prepared introductory remarks, which consisted of usual Kremlin’s lies:

- Russia and Ukraine are basically one country/culture
- The West has been meddling in Ukraine since 2014, trying to rip it away from Moscow
- Euromaidan of 2014 was a Western instigated coup
- The “Kyiv regime” was discriminating the Russian speakers in the east
- The “Kyiv regime” began the war against its own people in Donbas
- Russia had no other choice but to interfere in February 2022
- The West is prolonging the suffering of Ukrainians by supplying Ukraine with weapons
- Ukraine is a “failed state” with non-functioning economy: “industry is gone, agriculture is gone, population has halved”.
- Ukraine is corrupt and Western taxpayers’ money is stolen by corrupt politicians.
- And similar lies.

...

There were questions/comments from two people who were sympathetic to Kelin’s narratives. One came from an older guy (around 60) with a thick Russian accent who before that was complaining about how difficult it was to travel between Russia and UK with no direct flights.
There was also a young guy, in his 20s, who said he was half Russian / half German. He said he fully supported Putin and his “special military operation” against “the Nazis in Ukraine”. He asked Kelin why did Russia was so modest in its bombing of Ukraine? He also asked why did Russia not bomb Kyiv to the ground, thus eliminating entire Ukrainian government? He added that his family back in Russia was fully supportive of the war and that his uncle volunteered to fight for the Russian forces and was killed near Bakhmut.

...

When Kelin and the embassy staff were leaving, he shook the hand of an Oxford professor who hosted the event in her home. This professor was sat an aisle just in front of me.
While walking by me, Kelin offered his hand for a handshake to me and smirked. I did not move and said in Russian: “I speak Russian perfectly and I don’t buy your disinformation”. To which he responded “I know, I know. I know who you are”. And he tapped me on a shoulder.
To me this (both verbal and non-verbal) interaction meant his admittance to me personally that he had been lying through the entire event, and he had been simply “just doing his job”.

After Kelin and the embassy people have left, there was a pause as people attending the event were not sure on when to leave as there was a small protest rally taking place on a street outside, organised by those supporting Ukraine.
I left the house first and spoke to the protesters in Ukrainian and English, explaining who I was, why I was there, and what was the mood in the room. To me it was important that the audience was not taking Kelin’s points at face value and challenged him.
This diffused the atmosphere – and the protesters agreed to pose for a photo. They were a diverse group, including Ukrainians, Russians, Britons and others who support Ukraine, who held their peaceful protest against Russian officials getting a platform in the West.

Lesoto je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:16 izjavil:

Sory, ampak to tako ne laufa. Ne rečem, če bi bili vsi sestreljeni v nekaj minutah ampak ure narazen...

Imaš kaj več informacij, kdaj so bile sestrelitve?

IMO precej sočasno.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta...
An unexpected turn of events. “According to preliminary data, we are talking about the fall of 2 helicopters at once. 1 of them fell in Klintsy themselves, another 1 near the village of Suretsky . - Russian media

Due to the fact that everything happened at the same time, it can be difficult to get all the information right. But apparently one of the downed targets in the Bryansk region was also a military fighter jet.

Pac-Man je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:16 izjavil:

In kdo jim brani govorit Ruščino? Vox Populi pro-ruskega medija v Harkivu mesec pred invazijo. Vsi govorijo Rusko in se norčujejo iz izjave ta istega predsednika, da bo Rusija verjetno napadla in to najprej njihovo mesto

Zakonodaja, zakonsko je dovoljena samo raba ukrajinščine v javnosti. Ljudi finančno kaznujejo, policija v civilu tudi dejansko preverja in kaznuje za govorjenje v ruščini. Kot zanimivost, v 4 ruskih regijah, ki jih je Rusija priključila, je ukrajinščina priznana kot uradni jezik.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new...

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2...

An article of the laws that entered into force in January goes further, obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

Anyone caught violating the new legislation twice within one year could be fined 200 euros ($235), almost half of the average salary in the country. No one has been penalised so far.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine...

Ukraine has penalised the mayor of Kharkiv, a city with over 30 per cent Russian population, for using the Russian language on social media posts.

This is not the first time that Igor Terekhov, the mayor of Ukraine’s second largest city, has been fined for using Russian. November last year he was fined for using the language on a TV show.

The penal action comes from the commissioner for the protection of the state language. According to the official document, as reported by Russia Today, the mayor is guilty of using “a language other than the state one” on his Facebook and Telegram pages, which he listed as official channels.

Današnja bilanca:
3x Mi8
1x SU25
1x SU34

Dan je še mlad..

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:16 izjavil:

In kdo jim brani govorit Ruščino? Vox Populi pro-ruskega medija v Harkivu mesec pred invazijo. Vsi govorijo Rusko in se norčujejo iz izjave ta istega predsednika, da bo Rusija verjetno napadla in to najprej njihovo mesto

Zakonodaja, zakonsko je dovoljena samo raba ukrajinščine v javnosti. Ljudi finančno kaznujejo, policija v civilu tudi dejansko preverja in kaznuje za govorjenje v ruščini. Kot zanimivost, v 4 ruskih regijah, ki jih je Rusija priključila, je ukrajinščina priznana kot uradni jezik.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new...

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2...

An article of the laws that entered into force in January goes further, obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

Anyone caught violating the new legislation twice within one year could be fined 200 euros ($235), almost half of the average salary in the country. No one has been penalised so far.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine...

Ukraine has penalised the mayor of Kharkiv, a city with over 30 per cent Russian population, for using the Russian language on social media posts.

This is not the first time that Igor Terekhov, the mayor of Ukraine’s second largest city, has been fined for using Russian. November last year he was fined for using the language on a TV show.

The penal action comes from the commissioner for the protection of the state language. According to the official document, as reported by Russia Today, the mayor is guilty of using “a language other than the state one” on his Facebook and Telegram pages, which he listed as official channels.

Pojdi že enkrat nekam z svojo propagando
https://www.husj.harvard.edu/news/opini...

Contrary to widespread (and often propagandistic) rumors, the new language law, of course, does not ban the Russian language—or any other language—in Ukraine. The law merely helps to establish Ukrainian as a true state language, that is, a language that brings together speakers of various ethnic or linguistic backgrounds, as in many other countries around the world.

Stikalo je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:46 izjavil:

Itak ne povedo kaj se dogaja v ozadju. Tako bo kot z Storm Shadow. Najavili bodo donacijo nekih x letal in naslednji dan/isti dan bodo že letela po zraku. Če bodo ukrajinici dobili F-16 se že pol leta urijo v njih (ali bodo pa to kakšni upokojeni zahodni piloti). Kakor se vidi se na fronti dogaja, skoraj vsak dan je nekaj novega. Mislim, da se ukrajnici bajno zalagajo z orožjem in bodo spucali okupatorje iz svojega ozemlja.

Pomojem so sedaj rusi sedaj kot žaba v loncu, Ukrajinci pa počasi višajo temperaturo vode do vrelišča :D

Poljski nadgrajeni Mig-29 (14) imajo radarski domet 70 km in lahko izstreljujejo aim9x, aim120c(domet 105km), agm88 harm ter storm shadow. Lahko da so ti ‘odgovorni’ za sestrelitve 2 letal in 3 helikopterjev v Briansku blizu Ukrajinske meje. Lahko da sta bili letali celo neoboroženi.. je bilo nekaj posnetkov kako Rusi letajo dosti blizu meje z letali in testirajo Ruske AA sisteme ter so opremljeni samo z dodatnimi tanki za gorivo.
Glede F-16 so bila sredstva za usposabljanje pilotov pripravljena že lani poleti v enem od ZDA paketov, usposabljanje se izvaja že nekaj časa. Težava je v tem da so letala F-16 na voljo v Evropi, vendar mora ZDA primakniti usposobljene UA pilote. Po moje je to trenutno ena zelo vroča debata med npr. ZDA in Nizozemsko.
Rakete Storm Shadow so zavezniki napovedali že lani ko ZDA niso odobrile ATACMS. Očitno pa je trajalo pol leta, da so letala Poljaki ustrezno pripravili.

Debata je tako brezvezna, ker vojna v realnosti nima dosti zveze z zaščito ruske manjšine.

V Lugansk prispela še ena pošiljka...

mackilla je 13. maj 2023 ob 19:09 izjavil:

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:16 izjavil:

In kdo jim brani govorit Ruščino? Vox Populi pro-ruskega medija v Harkivu mesec pred invazijo. Vsi govorijo Rusko in se norčujejo iz izjave ta istega predsednika, da bo Rusija verjetno napadla in to najprej njihovo mesto

Zakonodaja, zakonsko je dovoljena samo raba ukrajinščine v javnosti. Ljudi finančno kaznujejo, policija v civilu tudi dejansko preverja in kaznuje za govorjenje v ruščini. Kot zanimivost, v 4 ruskih regijah, ki jih je Rusija priključila, je ukrajinščina priznana kot uradni jezik.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new...

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2...

An article of the laws that entered into force in January goes further, obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

Anyone caught violating the new legislation twice within one year could be fined 200 euros ($235), almost half of the average salary in the country. No one has been penalised so far.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine...

Ukraine has penalised the mayor of Kharkiv, a city with over 30 per cent Russian population, for using the Russian language on social media posts.

This is not the first time that Igor Terekhov, the mayor of Ukraine’s second largest city, has been fined for using Russian. November last year he was fined for using the language on a TV show.

The penal action comes from the commissioner for the protection of the state language. According to the official document, as reported by Russia Today, the mayor is guilty of using “a language other than the state one” on his Facebook and Telegram pages, which he listed as official channels.

Pojdi že enkrat nekam z svojo propagando
https://www.husj.harvard.edu/news/opini...

Contrary to widespread (and often propagandistic) rumors, the new language law, of course, does not ban the Russian language—or any other language—in Ukraine. The law merely helps to establish Ukrainian as a true state language, that is, a language that brings together speakers of various ethnic or linguistic backgrounds, as in many other countries around the world.

LOL, opinion - mnenje tipa iz Avstrije si dal kot kontra članku, ki ti jasno pove, da so celo župana Kharkova denarno kaznovali zaradi izražanja v ruščini. Poleg tega imaš mnenje Human Right Watch, ki so prav tako zaskrbljeni zaradi prepovedi ruščine v javnosti.

Ko zmanjka argumentov, je bolje molčati kot pa si kopati globjo luknjo s patetično pro ukrajinsko propagando.

https://twitter.com/AlexBondODUA/status...
This orc is not so stupid..

Pac-Man je 13. maj 2023 ob 19:21 izjavil:

to

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

Zakonodaja, zakonsko je dovoljena samo raba ukrajinščine v javnosti.

in to

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 18:42 izjavil:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2...

An article of the laws that entered into force in January goes further, obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

pač ne gre skupaj.

Boš kar lepo pokazal zakon, ki Ivanu Ivanovu prepoveduje, da na ulici spregovori Rusko.

Na ulici in v privatnem življenju je sicer dovoljeno govoriti rusko, v praksi se ti pa zna zgoditi tole:

https://twitter.com/OlgaBazova/status/1...

Ukrainians: Russian speaking people are not prosecuted in Ukraine.

Also Ukrainians:
- Why are you speaking in the language of the "enemy"?
- I’m speaking my native language! Yes! My native language!
- Make a registration let's take him to to the police office.

Zakonodajo glede uporabe jezika imaš na Wikipedii, dejansko je ruščina prepovedana v vseh sferah javnega življenja, v vseh javnih ustanovah ter tudi v privat podjetjih, trgovinah, ... Prodajalec v trgovini mora npr. začeti pogovor v ukrajinščini, to dejansko preverjajo in kaznujejo.

Language policy in Ukraine @ Wikipedia

The law regulates the Ukrainian language in the media, education, and business aiming to strengthen its role in a country where much of the public still speaks Russian.[105] The Law does not apply to the sphere of private communication and the conduct of religious rites.[12]

Rambutan je 13. maj 2023 ob 19:54 izjavil:

Najdeš kaj pred začetkom SVO? Zdaj so seveda našpičeni, pol države je zrušene. Prodajat anekdotne informacije kot splošno pravilo v 40mio državi je pa tudi malo tako.



Sicer samo Telegram, ampak županu Harkiva kazni očitno ne bo treba plačat.

https://t.me/Anticor_Kharkov/2427

Kharkiv Mayor Ihor Terekhov won a court case regarding the use of the Russian language in his social networks

The court's decision satisfied the lawsuit of Kharkiv Mayor Ihor Terekhov to declare illegal and cancel the resolution regarding the use of the Russian language in his social networks. This became known from the decision of the Kyiv District Court of Kharkiv on April 6.

According to Igor Terekhov, the resolution is illegal, since his web page on the social network "Facebook" and the Telegram channel are not an online representation of either the local self-government body or the Kharkiv mayor.

According to Terekhov, he runs the Facebook page and Telegram channel as a public person, not an official.

This is not the first fine imposed on Terekhov for not using the state language in public. But Terekhov did not challenge that fine in court.

Recently, Ihor Terekhov has nevertheless maintained his pages in the Ukrainian language in Telegram and Facebook

Meni se ne zdi normalno zapovedovati ljudem, v kakšnem jeziku naj govorijo, in kaznovati ljudi zaradi uporabe jezika, ki ga govorijo že celo življenje. Npr. Zelenski sploh ni znal govoriti ukrajinsko in se je začel učiti ukrajinsko komaj leta 2016. V velikem delu Ukrajine se pač govori rusko in seveda se meni ne zdi normalno ljudi za to kaznovati.

Sej jim ne zapovedujejo. Doma lahko govorijo kakorhočejo. Uraden jezik je pa tak kot je. Glede na to, da jim Rusi sploh ne priznavajo, da so narod, je to prav. Čez 100 let bojo tam vsi govorili ukrajinsko, rusko pa nihče. In čez 150 let morda ne bo še enga takega norca.

Pac-Man je 13. maj 2023 ob 19:53 izjavil:

Zakaj bi letalo potrebovalo spremstvo helikopterja mi sicer ni čisto jasno.

Verjetno so zraven letal odzadaj poslali helikopterje za potencialni SAR ali pa za ognjeno podporo? Sicer pa kot sem zgoraj napisal verjtno so bili Poljski nadgrajeni Migi 29 z Aim 120c v akciji, Ruska letala pa so imela samo bombe in se niso mogla braniti, Ruskih lovcev pa ni bilo(?).