Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 15:30 izjavil:

tattoo je 7. mar 2023 ob 14:06 izjavil:

Zakaj se Ukrajinci ne potegnejo iz Bakmuta? Zgleda kot izgubljena bitka..

Kot drugo - pripravlja Rusija ofenzivo v regiji Zaporizhzia?

Dobro vprašanje, tako zgleda pot v Bakhmut:

https://twitter.com/intermarium24/statu...

IMO je Prigozhin s tistim video pozivom naj umaknejo vojake (otroke in starostnike) iz Bakhmuta sprovociral Zelenskega da se je odločil vztrajati v Bakhmutu. Kaotično vse skupaj...

Isto se vprašuje Ropcke v Bildu.

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/sta...

Zelensky is making a terrible mistake by leaving troops in #Bakhmut?"
The German Bild continues to "hint" at #Zelensky's wrong decisions.
But the stubborn little Furer refuses to listen to his generals.

https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status...

Very confusing situation in Bakhmut. A few days ago, the AFU destroyed a key bridge on their last escape route, and then we started seeing convoys being shredded as they attempted to flee the firebag. This suggested that Ukraine was going to attempt a last minute withdrawal. (1)🔗
Now, we have statements of defiance from Ukrainian leadership insisting that the city will be held. It seems likely that at least some units will be left in the pocket to be fully encircled and liquidated. They are on the clock and must get out now, but they aren't leaving. (2)🔗
A counterattack on Wagner's northern pincer was also attempted, likely trying to force a small rollback and keep the door open. Several armored vehicles were destroyed, but no MBTs took part in the assault, which failed badly. (3)🔗
Most likely what's happening is that Ukraine has pulled/is pulling its "good" units out and cynically playing for time by leaving the pocket stuffed with low quality TD units, which continually complain about their lack of artillery support. (4)🔗
Some interpreted Ukraine's recent shortage of artillery in Bakhmut as a sign that the encirclement was choking off the supply of shells, but I rather think it's because the AFU withdrew as many of their tubes as they could and left the units in the city defenseless. (5)🔗
This is a fairly consistent pattern from Ukraine, and reflects a completely cynical and calculating approach to manpower. "Trench meat" will be used to slow the Russian advance with their bodies so that quality units can escape. (6)🔗
The operational schizophrenia is fairly predictable given that we have heard for months now that Zaluzhny thought the defense of Bakhmut was inexcusably wasteful of manpower, but has been overridden by Zelensky, who craves a political symbol of defiance. (7)

Meni res ni jasno, kaj tebi dela, kaj ti misliš, da se ti ljudje preko twiterja provocirajo in pogovarjajo!? To vse kar mi vidimo, so samo posledice že tedne prej dorečene taktike. In če so jih Ukrajinci res pustili, da se Wagner prebije naprej, sedaj jih bodo pa napadli, potem vsaka jim čast. Je pa res težko sedaj v teh časih satelitskih posnetkov pripraviti zasedo.
Rusi trdijo na ves glas, da zahodno orožje ne bo spremenilo poteka, kaj ti to pove, da ga prekleto bo!

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 16:55 izjavil:

Bolibri je 7. mar 2023 ob 15:57 izjavil:

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 15:30 izjavil:

Dobro vprašanje, tako zgleda pot v Bakhmut:

Nesposobneži še niso zasedli Bahmuta?

Ne, zakaj bi pa hiteli če Ukrajinci dostavljajo nove in nove vojake v izgubljeno pozicijo?

Sun Tzu: "Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake."

https://insajder.com/svet/ukrajinski-vo...

Med kratkimi obiski bližnjega mesta Kostiantynivka so ukrajinski vojaki za časnik Kyiv Independent povedali o nepripravljenih, slabo izurjenih bataljonih, ki so jih poveljniki »vrgli v mlin za meso« na prvi črti, da bi preživeli po najboljših močeh z malo podpore oklepnih vozil, minometov, topništva in brezpilotnih letal ter taktičnih informacij.

»Ne dobimo nobene podpore,« pravi vojak po imenu Serhij, ki se je boril na fronti v Bahmutu.

Vojaki so novinarjem povedali, da je ruskemu topništvu, bojnim vozilom pehote in oklepnim transporterjem pogosto dovoljeno, da ure ali dneve napadajo ukrajinske položaje, ne da bi jih ukrajinsko težko orožje blokiralo.

Nekateri so se pritoževali nad slabo koordinacijo in zavedanjem situacije, kar je omogočilo, da so pripadniki ruskega Wagnerja že prišli v središče mesta.

Posadke minometov so govorile o izjemnem pomanjkanju streliva in o uporabi orožja iz časa druge svetovne vojne.

Bolnišnice so polne, kot kažejo posnetki AP:

Brezpilotna letala, ki naj bi zagotavljala kritične izvidniške informacije, so prav tako redka in se na nekaterih delih bojišča zelo hitro izgubljajo.

Vse to vodi do grozljivih žrtev, tako mrtvih kot ranjenih. »Naš bataljon je prišel sredi decembra ... med vsemi različnimi enotami nas je bilo 500,« pravi Boris, vojaški zdravnik iz regije Odesa, ki se bori okoli Bahmuta. »Pred mesecem dni nas je bilo dobesedno le še 150.«

»Ko greš ven na položaj, ni niti 50/50 možnosti, da prideš od tam (živ),« pravi vojak Serhij. »Verjetnost je bolj 30/70.« To dokazujejo tudi posnetki padlih ukrajinskih vojakov.

»Skoraj smo že obkoljeni. Enote se postopoma umikajo v majhnih skupinah.«

Neasfaltirana cesta, ki povezuje obe naselji, ostaja edina, ki je razmeroma varna pred ruskimi napadi, je zatrdil moški in opozoril, da bi lahko vozila, če bi se ukrajinski oklepniki zagozdili v mehkih tleh, postala lahka tarča za rusko topništvo.

Tiskovna agencija se je sklicevala tudi na ameriški Inštitut za preučevanje vojne, ki je nedavno ocenil, da Kijev izvaja omejen taktični umik iz mesta, kar bi lahko vodilo v strateški umik.

V ponedeljek pa je vlada v Kijevu napovedala, da bo še naprej krepila svoj položaj v Artjomovsku, kljub velikim izgubam, o katerih poročata obe strani.

Urad predsednika Vladimirja Zelenskega trdi, da je odločitev o obrambi mesta podprl Valerij Zalužni, vrhovni poveljnik ukrajinskih oboroženih sil.

Toda glede na vire v Kijevu, ki jih je istega dne navedel nemški časopis Bild, je Zalužni pred tedni pozval Zelenskega, naj odredi umik, česar pa ukrajinski predsednik ni hotel storiti.

Medtem obrambni minister ZDA že zmanjšuje pomen obleganega mesta v Donbasu.

V samo mesecu dni so časniki na Zahodu - na primer tudi New York Times - začeli pisati, da je nekoč strateško zelo pomembno mesto postalo nepomembno in da ima samo »simboličen« pomen. In nič več. Na to opozarja tudi ameriški polkovnik Douglas Macgregor.

V ukrajinski vojski obstaja zaskrbljenost, da bi izgube spodkopale prizadevanja za spomladansko in poletno protiofenzivo.

»Tukaj izkoriščamo preveč ofenzivnega potenciala, ki ga bomo potrebovali za preboj, ko se ukrajinski črnozjom posuši,« je nek poveljnik bataljona povedal za ameriško agencijo.

Sun Tzu-ja je citiral. /intelektualc

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:07 izjavil:

BREAKING: U.S. Officials claim new intelligence suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged the Nord Stream Pipelines.
https://twitter.com/alx/status/16331329...

Zato je šel Scholz na obisk k Bidenu, sta eno uro govorila en na ena, brez pomočnikov in prevajalcev.
Ukrajino bodo vrgli pod avtobus...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...

US intelligence suggests pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines
New intelligence reviewed by US officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, the New York Times reports.

There was no evidence that president Volodymyr Zelensky or his top lieutenants in Ukraine were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials, the newspaper reported, citing US officials.

Že ta dva stavka sta si prekleto naporotujoča! :D A ti si želiš, da bi Ukrajino vrgli pod avtobus, ali te skrbi, da bi jo? Drugače pa Ukrajina bo na tanku počasi, ne pod avtobuso! ;)

Še komu tale Lukašenko deluje kot veliki diktatorski nepomembnež, ki se mu izteka čas, kot so je Gadafiju, Huseinu, Miloševiču,... ki so jih tik pred smrtjo vlačili iz lukenj.

Lukashenko, who usurped power in Belarus, who prosecutes activists, who had people beaten to death and raped with police batons in prisons, who allowed Russia to invade from his territory, calls president Zelensky a "scum" while commenting on the A50 incident in Machulishchy.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu...

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:13 izjavil:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/p...

WASHINGTON -- New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.

U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials.

Ukraine and its allies have been seen by some officials as having the most logical potential motive to attack the pipelines. They have opposed the project for years, calling it a national security threat because it would allow Russia to sell gas more easily to Europe. Ukrainian government and military intelligence officials say they had no role in the attack and do not know who carried it out.

U.S. officials said there was much they did not know about the perpetrators and their affiliations. The review of newly collected intelligence suggests they were opponents of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, but does not specify the members of the group, or who directed or paid for the operation. U.S. officials declined to disclose the nature of the intelligence, how it was obtained or any details of the strength of the evidence it contains. They have said that there are no firm conclusions about it, leaving open the possibility that the operation might have been conducted off the books by a proxy force with connections to the Ukrainian government or its security services.

Nobenega ne briga ta prekleta cev! Kaj tukaj ni jasno? Nič se ne bo spremenilo in ja Amerkanci so ga vrgli v zrak, Sholz pa je požegnal to,kaj pa sedaj? Putler pa v jok? Plin je cenejši kot pred vojno!

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:16 izjavil:

fur80 je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:11 izjavil:

Že ta dva stavka sta si prekleto naporotujoča! :D A ti si želiš, da bi Ukrajino vrgli pod avtobus, ali te skrbi, da bi jo? Drugače pa Ukrajina bo na tanku počasi, ne pod avtobuso! ;)

Nič si ne nasprotuje. Zahod bo izrabil to obtožbo Ukrajine kot razlog za ustavitev podpore Ukrajini. Taki leaki iz anonimnih virov ne pridejo po naključju v javnost.

haha, kako naiven moraš biti, da to verjameš! Zahod niti začel še ni! Pišejo se pogodbe, orožje se dela na polno, kaj hočeš lepšega, če bi mi imeli kaj orožarske proizvodnje, bi bilo to skoraj tako lepo kot so bili turistični vaučerjiy.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/sta...
Russian propagandists say that the "time is now on Ukrainian side" and "we need to end this conflict as soon as possible."

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/163...
PMC "Wagner" began to recruit patients of psychiatric hospitals

Journalists from the publication The Moscow Times, under the guise of one of the volunteers, contacted the hotline of "Wagner" and reported that he had been treated in a neuropsychiatric hospital for a nervous breakdown. In response, they sent a formal instruction with the requirements for recruits and offered to self-evaluate themselves according to it. "Read the instructions, if everything is okay, we are waiting for you," said the recruiter of PMCs.

Lesoto je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:52 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/163...
PMC "Wagner" began to recruit patients of psychiatric hospitals

Journalists from the publication The Moscow Times, under the guise of one of the volunteers, contacted the hotline of "Wagner" and reported that he had been treated in a neuropsychiatric hospital for a nervous breakdown. In response, they sent a formal instruction with the requirements for recruits and offered to self-evaluate themselves according to it. "Read the instructions, if everything is okay, we are waiting for you," said the recruiter of PMCs.

Človek bi mislil, da so dno dosegli z rekrutiranjem zapornikov.
Kaj sledi; samomorilski otroci iz sirotišnic s polnim nahrbtnikom eksploziva?

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:16 izjavil:

fur80 je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:11 izjavil:

Že ta dva stavka sta si prekleto naporotujoča! :D A ti si želiš, da bi Ukrajino vrgli pod avtobus, ali te skrbi, da bi jo? Drugače pa Ukrajina bo na tanku počasi, ne pod avtobuso! ;)

Nič si ne nasprotuje. Zahod bo izrabil to obtožbo Ukrajine kot razlog za ustavitev podpore Ukrajini. Taki leaki iz anonimnih virov ne pridejo po naključju v javnost.

A zato ze v tvojem viru pise da naj bi slo za ekstremno skupino, ki nima nicesar z dejanskimi organi odlocanja v Ukrajini? Da jih bodo lazje vrgli pod avtobus. Mislim, da si rek bolje ispast glup nego iz avijona, vzel malo prevec resno.

Saj, dejstva so enostavna:
1) Agresor so Rusi, oni so tisti, ki se morajo spokati ven iz Ukrajine;
2) Rusi uporabljajo plačance (Wagner); to ni zasebna vojska, pač pa skupina plačanih morilcev;
3) sankcije primejo (pre)počasi, a so nujne;
4) kot z vsemi "ključnimi osebami" do sedaj (Husein, bin Laden...) bo tudi v tem primeru potrebno "rešiti" problem ključnih oseb;
5) treba si bo priznati, da bo za dolgoročnejšo stabilnost na EU tleh potrebno najmanj enake sankcije uvesti tudi proti Kitajski - tako kot je bil leto dni nazaj marsikdo prepričan, da "brez ruskega plina in nafte pa sigurno ne bo šlo", tako ste sedaj vsi prepričani, da "brez kitajske proizvodnje pa sigurno ne bo šlo". Tudi v to kislo jabolko bo treba ugrizniti in v celoti ustaviti izvoz znanja in tehnologije tja ter v celoti ustaviti uvoz potrošne robe, elektronike ipd. od tam.... Ja, bo kaos, še večji kot je bil lani, ampak druge možnosti v resnici nimamo.
6) Ko se bodo vsi ohladili lahko ponovno pričnemo trgovati, a samo s tistimi državami, ki se bodo držale enakih standardov glede okoljevarstva, demokracije, ipd.... Ostali se lahko pridružijo Severni Koreji.
7) par teh točk bo treba z vso resnostjo razložiti tudi nekaterim članicam EU, dodatno in še posebej glasno in razločno pa tudi eni exYu državi okrog sotočja Save in Donave

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 17:07 izjavil:

BREAKING: U.S. Officials claim new intelligence suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged the Nord Stream Pipelines.
https://twitter.com/alx/status/16331329...

Zato je šel Scholz na obisk k Bidenu, sta eno uro govorila en na ena, brez pomočnikov in prevajalcev.
Ukrajino bodo vrgli pod avtobus...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...

US intelligence suggests pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines
New intelligence reviewed by US officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, the New York Times reports.

There was no evidence that president Volodymyr Zelensky or his top lieutenants in Ukraine were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials, the newspaper reported, citing US officials.

Shit, a niso bili Američani?!

Dobro samo kako naiven moraš biti, da je neka skupina z neke jahte na lastno pest razstreljevala plinovode, medtem ko so ene tri zahodne mornarice, ki tam stalno patruljirale z vso faking opremo nekako čudežno vso to dogajanje spregledale. Hej, mogoče je bil Hunter Biden zraven, saj ima jahto!

V bistvu bi bil obolje, da bi rekli, da so ga pač razfukali vesoljci - saj a ne letijo UFOti povsod. To bi imelo saj nek smisel.

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 19:42 izjavil:

Še članek iz Kyivindependent ki ga citirajo v Insajderju. Zanimivo, da so Ukrajinci objavili tako kritičen članek .

https://kyivindependent.com/national/uk...

Mortarmen spoke of extreme ammunition scarcity and having to use weapons dating back to World War II. Drones that are supposed to provide critical reconnaissance information are also scarce and are being lost at very high rates in some parts of the battlefield.

All this leads to terrifying casualties of both dead and wounded. "The battalion came in in the middle of December… between all the different platoons, there were 500 of us," says Borys, a combat medic from Odesa Oblast fighting around Bakhmut. "A month ago, there were literally 150 of us."

“They get the positions where we are, establish the coordinates, then they hit us from seven to nine kilometers out with mortars,” as well as from closer by with grenade launchers, says the older Serhiy. “They wait for the house to fall so we have to jump out. The building catches fire and then they try to finish us off.”

“Their birds come out and they chase us with fire,” adds the younger Serhiy, referring to Russian UAVs, like quadcopters and Orlan-10 fixed wing drones that spot distant heavy weapons. “They hit accurately.”

As Russians destroy more and more buildings, Ukrainians keep losing more places where they can reliably take cover. Borys the medic says people have been lost when their entrenched positions collapsed from heavy Russian fire, suffocating them.

“I’ll put it like this, we should get our people out because if we don’t take off, then in the next few weeks, it’s going to be bad,” says Oleksandr. A mortarman named Illia agrees that Bakhmut is “practically encircled.”

“I heard that infantry (units) need to be mechanized,” says the older Serhiy. “We, it seems, are following the old system, no one knows this. Where are our BMPs? Where is our artillery?”

Illia confirms that what is supposed to be mechanized infantry on paper, is often just infantry on foot in practice. He says Ukraine critically needs infantry vehicles, as the insufficiently few that it has are being expended in combat.

"When we get ammo, we get 10 shells per day, 120 millimeter shells," Illia says. "That's enough for one minute of work."

The mortars themselves date back to the years 1938-1943 and hitting something with them “takes a miracle.” But Ukrainian mortars still manage to hit their targets despite all these challenges, he says."We need ammo, ammo, ammo," Illia adds. "If we keep getting 10 shells, Bakhmut will quickly be surrounded."

The younger Serhiy says the mortar shells are often old and useless, either failing to fly on target or failing to explode.

Some say the disorganization goes beyond ammunition shortages.

The younger Serhiy says that logistics and signals are of very poor quality, adding that his battalion fails to make good use of its drone, which provides no help in the urban battlefield.

While units have access to radios to communicate, a lack of better communication equipment and specialists to operate it leads to some very difficult moments, the younger Serhiy adds.

A Russian BTR terrorized Ukrainian infantry around a part of Bakhmut for a month, without being shot by heavy weapons even once, even though it had been reported up the chain of command multiple times and multiple soldiers confirmed the casualties it was causing.

Multiple soldiers say Bakhmut troops are barely given enough time to learn to shoot a rifle – sometimes their training is just 2 weeks, before they’re dropped into the hottest parts of the most intense current battle of the war. They would have preferred for troops to get a minimum of two or three months of training before being deployed to such a hot spot.

“Two weeks’ live training and they’re sent here. You can’t do that,” says the older Serhiy. “Or it’s a person who once served in the army, how long ago was that? Obviously they forgot everything.”

“We were promised that we wouldn’t be sent to the zero line right away, that at first we’d be sent to the second or third line,” he continues. “And then we came here in the middle of the night and they immediately sent us to Bakhmut.”

Zakaj Putin noče pomagati?

We are people, not meat"

Mobilized from the Kaliningrad, Murmansk and Arkhangelsk regions complained about the intimidation of the command.

They also stated that they use weapons from the 40s, including mortars and guns.

They are being threatened with punitive measures.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslate...

Another portion of "consumables" (as they describe themselves) i.e. Russian mobilised soldiers from Krasnodar Krai asking Putin to stop sending them into "senseless" assaults. They explain how in a recent failed assault mission, without any artillery support, their wounded were left on the battlefield for 6 hours and had to withdraw on their own.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslate...

Now Russian mobiks from Orenburg Obl complain that they were transferred under the command of the local people's militia and made into assault units without any training. They're in a hopeless situation and really need putin to help them

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslate...

Ta trenutek se bijejo spopadi na čistini na liniji V/Z Bakmut. Ukrajinci so menda pustili nekatera vozila, ki zgledajo ispravno (pa niso), ko pridejo Rusi, da bi se malo poveselili plena pa - bum! Rusi so se neprevidno prikazali na čistino na V/Z liniji mesta, Ukrajinci pa so jih pobili. Zvijača je bila, da so Ukrajinci rekli, da se umikajo - pa se zgleda ne umikajo.

Na bokih so nagnali Ruse nazaj, zdaj pa se Rusi gnetejo na enem dokaj majhnem prostoru, pa so se jih lotili z 120mm minometi (Ukrajinci Rusov). Prigožin se je nekaj napihoval, še dan dva, no včeraj so jih precej pobili. Zdaj menda zopet vali krivdo na rusko Ministratvo, da nimajo municije.

Zgleda, kot da so Wagnerjevci malo planili na čistino, zdaj so jih precej pobili. Ukrajinci sicer Rusov ne potiskajo nazaj, ker je rasputica, pa nima smisla tvegati vozila, ker bodo obtičala v blatu, peš pa tudi nočejo. Tako da so zdaj boki Bakmuta v bistvu "no man's land".

V bistvu je ocena analitikov enaka, kot je bilo že na forumu omenjeno, če prepustijo Bakmut, bodo orki potem požgali naslednje ukrajinsko mesto do tal.

Ne vem, Wagnerjevci so osvojili morda 250m linije, ter so izgubili cca 30.000 borcev (kakšnih koli že). Poročila so, da sedaj Wagnerjevci niti pušk več nimajo za deliti (AK-74M), pa so delili lopate, pa naj pridejo do prve puške na bojišču (battlefield pickup), ki pač leži tam.

To so absolutno preveč dragi načini, kako zasesti ozemlje. Ne bo Ukrajincem zmanjkalo municije.

Bil je en posnetek, kjer par ukrajinskih mitraljezcev (mitraljezec in pomočnik) streljata na Ruse. Najprej se je ugotavljalo, kaj imata za mitraljeza, neko varianto slovitega MG 42:
MG 3 machine gun @ Wikipedia

Nakar je nekdo rekel, da je glede na frekvenco streljanja to MG 74, avstrijske izdelave, strelja pa 7,62x51 NATO municijo. To je malo čudno, ker ne vem, če bi Avstrijci prav orožje donirali. Samo sta pa nasula svinca na orke nenormalno.

bbbbbb2015 je 7. mar 2023 ob 20:15 izjavil:

Ta trenutek se bijejo spopadi na čistini na liniji V/Z Bakmut. Ukrajinci so menda pustili nekatera vozila, ki zgledajo ispravno (pa niso), ko pridejo Rusi, da bi se malo poveselili plena pa - bum! Rusi so se neprevidno prikazali na čistino na V/Z liniji mesta, Ukrajinci pa so jih pobili. Zvijača je bila, da so Ukrajinci rekli, da se umikajo - pa se zgleda ne umikajo.

Na bokih so nagnali Ruse nazaj, zdaj pa se Rusi gnetejo na enem dokaj majhnem prostoru, pa so se jih lotili z 120mm minometi (Ukrajinci Rusov). Prigožin se je nekaj napihoval, še dan dva, no včeraj so jih precej pobili. Zdaj menda zopet vali krivdo na rusko Ministratvo, da nimajo municije.

Zgleda, kot da so Wagnerjevci malo planili na čistino, zdaj so jih precej pobili. Ukrajinci sicer Rusov ne potiskajo nazaj, ker je rasputica, pa nima smisla tvegati vozila, ker bodo obtičala v blatu, peš pa tudi nočejo. Tako da so zdaj boki Bakmuta v bistvu "no man's land".

V bistvu je ocena analitikov enaka, kot je bilo že na forumu omenjeno, če prepustijo Bakmut, bodo orki potem požgali naslednje ukrajinsko mesto do tal.

Ne vem, Wagnerjevci so osvojili morda 250m linije, ter so izgubili cca 30.000 borcev (kakšnih koli že). Poročila so, da sedaj Wagnerjevci niti pušk več nimajo za deliti (AK-74M), pa so delili lopate, pa naj pridejo do prve puške na bojišču (battlefield pickup), ki pač leži tam.

To so absolutno preveč dragi načini, kako zasesti ozemlje. Ne bo Ukrajincem zmanjkalo municije.

Bil je en posnetek, kjer par ukrajinskih mitraljezcev (mitraljezec in pomočnik) streljata na Ruse. Najprej se je ugotavljalo, kaj imata za mitraljeza, neko varianto slovitega MG 42:
MG 3 machine gun @ Wikipedia

Nakar je nekdo rekel, da je glede na frekvenco streljanja to MG 74, avstrijske izdelave, strelja pa 7,62x51 NATO municijo. To je malo čudno, ker ne vem, če bi Avstrijci prav orožje donirali. Samo sta pa nasula svinca na orke nenormalno.

Kar je najbolj žalostno, seveda za Wagner, da so mislili, da se Ukrajinci res umikajo in da bodo predali mesto, nakar, da bi se slikali in bili zaslužni za zmago, so tja poslali najbolj elitne in najboljše svoje vojake. Sedaj jih pa Ukrajinci tolčejo na polno, oz. se tolčejo na polno. Prigozhin pa v paniki, ker mu bodo na koncu res ostali še samo mobiziranci. Kot smo seže pogovarjali, je bil Lisičjansk in Severodenjeck pogreb za Kadirovce, tako bo Bakhmut pogreb za Wagner.

bbbbbb2015: Sam sem tudi spremljal in je zanimivo, tam na bokih. A kdo spremlja kakšna je situacija tam? Presenečen sem bil, ker Rusom ni uspelo zapreti bokov in ker je že kazalo, da so obe asfaltirani cesti v Bakhmut dobili pod svoj topovski nadzor, ob čemer bi Ukrajincem ostale samo še blatne ceste.

Eni nekaj špekulirajo, da bi Ukrajinci lahko udarili na severni ruski bok. Recimo to je zanimiva teorija o mogočem Ukrajinskem protinapadu okli Bakhmuta (malo bolj znanstvenofantastična teorija):
Update from Ukraine | Bakhmut Holds | Can Ukraine Counterattack?


Je pa res, da Američani naglas Ukrajincem namigujejo, da 'je bilo dovolj' in naj se sedaj umaknejo iz Bakhmuta; da preveč zamujajo.

Malidelničar je 7. mar 2023 ob 20:38 izjavil:

bbbbbb2015: Sam sem tudi spremljal in je zanimivo, tam na bokih. A kdo spremlja kakšna je situacija tam? Presenečen sem bil, ker Rusom ni uspelo zapreti bokov in ker je že kazalo, da so obe asfaltirani cesti v Bakhmut dobili pod svoj topovski nadzor, ob čemer bi Ukrajincem ostale samo še blatne ceste.

Eni nekaj špekulirajo, da bi Ukrajinci lahko udarili na severni ruski bok. Recimo to je zanimiva teorija o mogočem Ukrajinskem protinapadu okli Bakhmuta (malo bolj znanstvenofantastična teorija):

Je pa res, da Američani naglas Ukrajincem namigujejo, da 'je bilo dovolj' in naj se sedaj umaknejo iz Bakhmuta; da preveč zamujajo.

Asfaltne ceste so pod ruskim ognjenim nadzorom, iz Bakhmuta je možno samo po blatu.

Ja, ukrajinski protinapad je za pričakovati, v nasprotnem primeru bi verjetno zapustili Bakhmut. Bo pa zelo zahtevno zaradi dežja in blata. Dima iz MS isto špekulira napad iz severa proti Soledarju. Ruski TG pa pravijo da bodo uporabili del novih enot in oklepa, ki je namenjen za pomladno ofenzivo.

There is information that before the start of the general offensive, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely conduct a combat "test" of the combat readiness of its strike group, and develop tactical developments and technical innovations prepared for the spring campaign. Therefore, there is reason to believe that in the next two weeks the Armed Forces of Ukraine will inflict a local counterattack on one of the sectors of the front, as a rehearsal for the upcoming battle. And it is quite possible that such will be the operation to unblock Bakhmut, who today is in a shrinking "horseshoe" environment. The pushback of Russian assault units from the city will be a clear confirmation of the correctness of the new tactics, combat capability and organization of new formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, the turning point in the battle for Bakhmut will be another excellent PR reason, both for the domestic Ukrainian agenda, which has become increasingly defeatist in the last two months, and for external curators, expecting decisiveness and success from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There is information that Zelensky, with the consent of the American curators, was allowed to send freshly received Western equipment and part of the personnel reserves to Bakhmut. But no more than 20 percent of what is prepared for a strike on Melitopol. It will be about 50 infantry fighting vehicles (including the Bradley) and dozens of armored vehicles and about 3,000 militants who should try to release Bakhmut and strengthen his defenses.

Rambutan je 7. mar 2023 ob 21:05 izjavil:

Malidelničar je 7. mar 2023 ob 20:38 izjavil:

bbbbbb2015: Sam sem tudi spremljal in je zanimivo, tam na bokih. A kdo spremlja kakšna je situacija tam? Presenečen sem bil, ker Rusom ni uspelo zapreti bokov in ker je že kazalo, da so obe asfaltirani cesti v Bakhmut dobili pod svoj topovski nadzor, ob čemer bi Ukrajincem ostale samo še blatne ceste.

Eni nekaj špekulirajo, da bi Ukrajinci lahko udarili na severni ruski bok. Recimo to je zanimiva teorija o mogočem Ukrajinskem protinapadu okli Bakhmuta (malo bolj znanstvenofantastična teorija):

Je pa res, da Američani naglas Ukrajincem namigujejo, da 'je bilo dovolj' in naj se sedaj umaknejo iz Bakhmuta; da preveč zamujajo.

Asfaltne ceste so pod ruskim ognjenim nadzorom, iz Bakhmuta je možno samo po blatu.

Ja, ukrajinski protinapad je za pričakovati, v nasprotnem primeru bi verjetno zapustili Bakhmut. Bo pa zelo zahtevno zaradi dežja in blata. Dima iz MS isto špekulira napad iz severa proti Soledarju. Ruski TG pa pravijo da bodo uporabili del novih enot in oklepa, ki je namenjen za pomladno ofenzivo.

There is information that before the start of the general offensive, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely conduct a combat "test" of the combat readiness of its strike group, and develop tactical developments and technical innovations prepared for the spring campaign. Therefore, there is reason to believe that in the next two weeks the Armed Forces of Ukraine will inflict a local counterattack on one of the sectors of the front, as a rehearsal for the upcoming battle. And it is quite possible that such will be the operation to unblock Bakhmut, who today is in a shrinking "horseshoe" environment. The pushback of Russian assault units from the city will be a clear confirmation of the correctness of the new tactics, combat capability and organization of new formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, the turning point in the battle for Bakhmut will be another excellent PR reason, both for the domestic Ukrainian agenda, which has become increasingly defeatist in the last two months, and for external curators, expecting decisiveness and success from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There is information that Zelensky, with the consent of the American curators, was allowed to send freshly received Western equipment and part of the personnel reserves to Bakhmut. But no more than 20 percent of what is prepared for a strike on Melitopol. It will be about 50 infantry fighting vehicles (including the Bradley) and dozens of armored vehicles and about 3,000 militants who should try to release Bakhmut and strengthen his defenses.

Ti si bolj na tistih ruskih TG. Mogoče si prebral kaj, kje je tistih famoznih 500 000 ruskih vojakov in 1800 tankov na meji z Ukrajino in ofenziva, ki naj bi bila 24. 2.? Vse je potihnilo? Satelitskih posnetkov pa tudi ni. Kaj govorijo še o tem?

fur80 je 7. mar 2023 ob 21:13 izjavil:

Ti si bolj na tistih ruskih TG. Mogoče si prebral kaj, kje je tistih famoznih 500 000 ruskih vojakov in 1800 tankov na meji z Ukrajino in ofenziva, ki naj bi bila 24. 2.? Vse je potihnilo? Satelitskih posnetkov pa tudi ni. Kaj govorijo še o tem?

Nič ne vem da bi Rusi uradno napovedali kako ofenzivo. To je spet zahodna propaganda, enako kot tiste napovedi o zavzetju Kijeva v treh dneh. Moje mnenje je da bodo Rusi kar lepo počakali napovedano ukrajinsko pomladno ofenzivo...

Where did the mythical claim that "Russia though it could defeat Ukraine in three days" come from?
Not from the Russian side, it was the U.S. that said it.
Yet this misattributed claim is parroted relentlessly as propaganda by the West.

Saj so si to da bo rusija napadla ukrajno tudi zahodnjaki izmislili.

Emajl101 je 7. mar 2023 ob 23:12 izjavil:

Unchancy je 7. mar 2023 ob 19:51 izjavil:

Tidule je 7. mar 2023 ob 19:48 izjavil:

Caki jutri bo novica, da so bili v bistvu v ukrajince obleceni americani, po navodilu Stalina, ki so ga med tem kloniral in se skriva na Luni.

…, ki je votla - kar itak vsak ve.

Iz sira je, ni votla.
So pa res luknje. Ker je ementalc.

To je laž. Vsi vemo,da lune ni. To zlobni amerikanci svetijo z projektorjem v vesolje.

Zmaga pri Vuhledarju je posledica briljantne ukrajinske taktike:

Ta mesec in vsak naslednji ob placilu rtv poloznice v namen napisem slava ukrajini. To bom zdaj delal vsak mesec.

Torej rusko rušenje ni težava, ameriška in eu obnova je...razumem.

Medtem v Ukrajini Rusi pripravljajo nov kotel okrog Avdiivke. Utrdbe v Avdiivki uničujejo z letalskimi bombami FAB 500.

https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/...

Situation at Avdiivka front: #RussianArmy & #DPR forces advanced from the east and took control over the small village of Vesele and made small advances towards Kam'yanka/Кам'янка.

Moreover, #RussianArmy and #DPR forces managed to break #Ukrainian Army defenses north of Vodyane/Водяне and secured two important hills and part of the trench line.