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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
Temo vidijo: vsi
Tidule ::
Kako ste nekateri tukaj oprani Hollywoodska propaganda zadnjih 30 let v filmih (russian bad, russian mafia...) očitno dobro deluje.
Le zakaj je vedno bad guy rus?
No ravno toliko časa, ali pa še več, so se tudi Rusi pripravljali na tole, in če mislite, da bo rusom karkoli kmalu zmankalo ste hudo naivni.
Nič jim ne bo zmanjkalo.
Samo za hec pošiljajo na bojišče stare tanke.
Raketirajo pa samo še občasno in še to bolj medlo iz čiste dobrote in ne zato, ker bi raket vse bolj primanjkovalo.
Aja pa proračunski primanjkljaj v letošnjih mesecih je samo namišljen
Skratka še en ki je nasedel propagandi o neskončni Rusiji.
ma ne, raketirat so nehal, ker ni več ciljev. V evropi zmrzujemo in jemo hrčke, v ukrajini že mesece ni več elektrike... Rusi so že tik pred Parizom, v ZDA so pa razglasili kitajščino za uradni jezik. Sam nam mediji to prekrivajo.
Gregor P ::
Zadeve so eskalirale prek vseh razsežnosti, postaja kritično, zdaj mu še ploskajo ne več
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/puti...
Putin pričakoval aplavz, nato pa presenečen odšel iz dvorane
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/puti...
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
bbbbbb2015 ::
Zadeve so eskalirale prek vseh razsežnosti, postaja kritično, zdaj mu še ploskajo ne več
Putin pričakoval aplavz, nato pa presenečen odšel iz dvorane
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/puti...
Ma to je z ambasadorji. To če bi ambasadorji ploskali, bi se celo dalo razumeti drugače. Si predstavljaš v časopisu: "Ploskal Putinu!".
Meni so bolj zanimivi podrepniki, ki imajo pogovorne oddaje in so vabljeni na Putinove govore. In potem vidiš, da sicer poslušajo, samo una televizijska talk show lady (priimek sem pozabil) vidiš, da ima zmračen obraz in nagubano čelo. Sicer kasneje v talk showu se nasmeje z žarom pa to, samo vidiš, da jih grozno skrbi, tudi si več ne upajo 100% hajpati za Putina (ker ne vejo, če se to ne bo enkrat v bodočnosti obrnilo proti njim), ampak se bolj sprašujejo, kako bo, kako bomo.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Rambutan ::
Ukrajinski "Strelkov" komentira na espreso.tv:
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status...
General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos: "Bakhmut is a meat grinder, it makes no sense to keep him and he should have been handed over a few weeks ago"
Before that, the former deputy secretary of the Security Council of Ukraine, General Krivonos, said:
▪️ "I said at the beginning of February that it makes no sense to keep Bakhmut, because Bakhmut is a meat grinder," lamented.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/16...
The disgraced General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos speaks live - according to him, it is not the right decision for Bakhmut to defend, and now is not the time to attack.
Moreover, Krivonos assures that Russia at the moment has not even committed reserves to battle, which are waiting in the wings "somewhere in the Voronezh region."
They simply could not let the general, who is now under criminal prosecution, live on air, without the knowledge of Zelensky.
This means that the words of General Krivonos should have been heard. Another question is why?
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status...
General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos: "Bakhmut is a meat grinder, it makes no sense to keep him and he should have been handed over a few weeks ago"
Before that, the former deputy secretary of the Security Council of Ukraine, General Krivonos, said:
▪️ "I said at the beginning of February that it makes no sense to keep Bakhmut, because Bakhmut is a meat grinder," lamented.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/16...
The disgraced General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos speaks live - according to him, it is not the right decision for Bakhmut to defend, and now is not the time to attack.
Moreover, Krivonos assures that Russia at the moment has not even committed reserves to battle, which are waiting in the wings "somewhere in the Voronezh region."
They simply could not let the general, who is now under criminal prosecution, live on air, without the knowledge of Zelensky.
This means that the words of General Krivonos should have been heard. Another question is why?
Chalky ::
Kakšno je vaše mnenje glede Macrona in trenutnega obiska Kitajske? Nekaj se govori da naj bi Francoski predsednik prepričal Kitajskega da naj se pogovori z Zelinskim. Jaz nisem proti pogovorom in upam da pride do kakšnega dogovora ampak ne pred pomembno ukrajinsko ofenzivo. Ali se samo meni zdi da želi Macron preprečiti ukrajinsko ofenzivo? Jaz osebno nikoli nisem maral Macrona in se mi zdi da je glavni izdajalec Evrope. Trenutno mu še Francija gori medtem ko Kitajski prodaja plin v Yuanih. Kot kaže na vsak način želi preprečiti ofenzivo.
Lonsarg ::
Pogovori dokler ni nič podpisano seveda ne vpliva na to kako poteka vojna ali kdo ima ofenzive. Tak da za pogovor je čas kadarkoli.
Chalky ::
*XI: TO ISSUE JOINT CALL FOR POLITICAL SETTLEMENT OVER UKRAINE
Tik pred ofenzivo? Zanimivo. Upam da Ukrajinci in Zahod ni tako neumen da bo sprejel takšne predloge.
Tik pred ofenzivo? Zanimivo. Upam da Ukrajinci in Zahod ni tako neumen da bo sprejel takšne predloge.
Rambutan ::
Macron in UVDL si verjetno domišljajo, da bodo lahko prepričali Xija, da bo pritisnil na Putina za končanje vojne.
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/...
China and the EU have the duty to uphold and promote the rules-based international order.
Starting with the end of the Russian invasion and withdrawal of its troops.
Mogoče ju je Biden poslal, ker Xi noče sprejeti njegovega klica že od sestrelitve balon?
https://www.reuters.com/world/little-ro...
President Joe Biden said last month after a U.S. fighter jet shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon that he planned to speak to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the episode and clear the air between the rival superpowers.
Five weeks later, the call still hasn't happened.
Verjetno pa bodo tudi kakšno rekli o odnosu med EU in Kitajsko po pričakovani zaostritvi med ZDA in Kitajsko, baje EU gospodarstveniki nočejo slediti ZDA v blokadi Kitajske. UVDL je seveda na pro ameriški liniji.
Kakšnih rezultatov pa iz tega obiska ne bo, bolj otipavanja verjetno.
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/...
China and the EU have the duty to uphold and promote the rules-based international order.
Starting with the end of the Russian invasion and withdrawal of its troops.
Mogoče ju je Biden poslal, ker Xi noče sprejeti njegovega klica že od sestrelitve balon?
https://www.reuters.com/world/little-ro...
President Joe Biden said last month after a U.S. fighter jet shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon that he planned to speak to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the episode and clear the air between the rival superpowers.
Five weeks later, the call still hasn't happened.
Verjetno pa bodo tudi kakšno rekli o odnosu med EU in Kitajsko po pričakovani zaostritvi med ZDA in Kitajsko, baje EU gospodarstveniki nočejo slediti ZDA v blokadi Kitajske. UVDL je seveda na pro ameriški liniji.
Kakšnih rezultatov pa iz tega obiska ne bo, bolj otipavanja verjetno.
Kresnik ::
Ukrajinski "Strelkov" komentira na espreso.tv:
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status...
General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos: "Bakhmut is a meat grinder, it makes no sense to keep him and he should have been handed over a few weeks ago"
Before that, the former deputy secretary of the Security Council of Ukraine, General Krivonos, said:
▪️ "I said at the beginning of February that it makes no sense to keep Bakhmut, because Bakhmut is a meat grinder," lamented.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/16...
The disgraced General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos speaks live - according to him, it is not the right decision for Bakhmut to defend, and now is not the time to attack.
Moreover, Krivonos assures that Russia at the moment has not even committed reserves to battle, which are waiting in the wings "somewhere in the Voronezh region."
They simply could not let the general, who is now under criminal prosecution, live on air, without the knowledge of Zelensky.
This means that the words of General Krivonos should have been heard. Another question is why?
Ker govori neumnosti in ker vemo da en idiot v enem stavku naredi toliko škode, da boš ti rabil esej, da boš zadevo popravil (če narediš to večkrat zapored, se taktika imenuje Gish-ev galop).
Realno gledano pa niti nima prav. Če so Ruske rezerve še pri Voronežu, potem se poraja vprašanje kdo se bori v Bahmutu. Ruske rezerve (se pravi poceni expendable kanonfutr) se pravi da ne, ostanejo redne ruske sile in Wagner. Ti pa so veliko bolj izurjeni in izkušeni, kar pomeni da niso ravno vojaki, ki bi jih brez problema poslal nad mitraljeze. Torej, če je ruski poceni kanonfurt še vedno v Rusiji ali pa vsaj v zaledju, potem imajo Rusi velike izgube med profesionalci in je obramba Bahmuta pravzaprav strateško pravilna. Če pa v Bahmutu umira samo poceni kanonfutr, potem pa Krivonos govori neumnosti ali pa laže.
RedDrake ::
Premika se, in to v smer katero sem napovedal več kot eno leto nazaj.
Tole je citat iz rtvslo.
Ponavaljam že večkrat napisano.
Na Krimu ni veliko ukrajincev, verjetno bi "proper" referendum izbral Rusijo, četudi je bil oni 2014 bullshit.
Najverjetnejša "rešitev" tega konflikta je torej:
- Krim ruski, morda demilitariziran (čeprav v to resno dvomim)
- Donbas uradno ukrajinski, ampak verjetno v neki "avtonomna republika" obliki, opcija je tudi cona A in B ter plebisciti (a-la nekaj iz naših mej in okolice po WW1 in WW2).
To je rešitev, ki imho ustreza vsem.
Putka doseže da je Krim priznan.
Ukrajinci obranijo državo in (morda) dobijo (del) Donbasa.
Zelo podobno temu kar je nastalo iz Finsko sovjetske vojne leta '40. Nihče zares ne zmaga.
Je pa verjetno res odvisno od tega kako bo šla ofenziva ukrajincev.
Če bo polom, potem verjetno še nekaj časa ne bo miru.
Če bo pa "tempo tempo tempo" a-la '91, potem bo pa verjetno res še Krim ukrajinski na koncu.
Ampak verjetno bo nekaj vmes in bo Ukrajina dosegla osvoboditev okrožij Zaporožje in Herson, kar bi moralo zadoščati za pogajanja.
Če še Poldijevi gopodarji pritisnejo na Ruse bo potem hitro konec.
Ukrajina v primeru uspešne protiofenzive morda na pogajanja o Krimu
Ukrajina bi v primeru uspešne spomladanske protiofenzive morda razmislila o pogovorih z Rusijo o Krimu, je po navedbah nemške tiskovne agencije DPA povedal namestnik vodje urada ukrajinskega predsednika Andrij Sibiga. S tem je namignil na omilitev stališča, da se Ukrajina ne bo pogajala, dokler so na njenem ozemlju ruski vojaki.
"Če nam bo uspelo doseči strateške cilje na bojišču in bomo dosegli upravno mejo s Krimom, bi bili pripravljeni odpreti tudi diplomatsko pot za razpravo o tem vprašanju," je v četrtek za Financial Times dejal Sibiga. "To pa ne pomeni, da izključujemo možnost osvoboditve Krima s pomočjo naših oboroženih sil," je dodal.
Tole je citat iz rtvslo.
Ponavaljam že večkrat napisano.
Na Krimu ni veliko ukrajincev, verjetno bi "proper" referendum izbral Rusijo, četudi je bil oni 2014 bullshit.
Najverjetnejša "rešitev" tega konflikta je torej:
- Krim ruski, morda demilitariziran (čeprav v to resno dvomim)
- Donbas uradno ukrajinski, ampak verjetno v neki "avtonomna republika" obliki, opcija je tudi cona A in B ter plebisciti (a-la nekaj iz naših mej in okolice po WW1 in WW2).
To je rešitev, ki imho ustreza vsem.
Putka doseže da je Krim priznan.
Ukrajinci obranijo državo in (morda) dobijo (del) Donbasa.
Zelo podobno temu kar je nastalo iz Finsko sovjetske vojne leta '40. Nihče zares ne zmaga.
Je pa verjetno res odvisno od tega kako bo šla ofenziva ukrajincev.
Če bo polom, potem verjetno še nekaj časa ne bo miru.
Če bo pa "tempo tempo tempo" a-la '91, potem bo pa verjetno res še Krim ukrajinski na koncu.
Ampak verjetno bo nekaj vmes in bo Ukrajina dosegla osvoboditev okrožij Zaporožje in Herson, kar bi moralo zadoščati za pogajanja.
Če še Poldijevi gopodarji pritisnejo na Ruse bo potem hitro konec.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Rambutan ::
Po pričakovanjih, Macron se je neuspešno trudil šarmirat Xija, uspelo mu je edino sam sebe se osmešiti. Tako je, če imamo take amaterje na zahodu za voditelje Ni čudno, če se cel svet združuje proti nam...
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanue...
Macron fails to move Xi Jinping over Russia’s war on Ukraine
Chinese President Xi Jinping showed no sign of changing his position over Russia’s war on Ukraine after talks Thursday with French counterpart Emmanuel Macron.
On the second day of Macron’s state visit to China, Xi took his long-standing line on Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine — saying that “all sides” have “reasonable security concerns” — and gave no hint he would use his influence to help end the conflict.
The two leaders’ contrasting styles were immediately apparent. Xi read his carefully scripted remarks while staring straight ahead before ceding to Macron. The French leader then proceeded to speak for roughly twice as long as his host — a protocol faux pas that members of Xi’s Chinese entourage noticed.
Xi himself at times looked impatient and annoyed as Macron continued speaking. The Chinese leader heaved several deep sighs and appeared uncomfortable as Macron addressed him directly while apparently ad-libbing on the Ukraine war and their joint responsibility to uphold peace.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanue...
Macron fails to move Xi Jinping over Russia’s war on Ukraine
Chinese President Xi Jinping showed no sign of changing his position over Russia’s war on Ukraine after talks Thursday with French counterpart Emmanuel Macron.
On the second day of Macron’s state visit to China, Xi took his long-standing line on Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine — saying that “all sides” have “reasonable security concerns” — and gave no hint he would use his influence to help end the conflict.
The two leaders’ contrasting styles were immediately apparent. Xi read his carefully scripted remarks while staring straight ahead before ceding to Macron. The French leader then proceeded to speak for roughly twice as long as his host — a protocol faux pas that members of Xi’s Chinese entourage noticed.
Xi himself at times looked impatient and annoyed as Macron continued speaking. The Chinese leader heaved several deep sighs and appeared uncomfortable as Macron addressed him directly while apparently ad-libbing on the Ukraine war and their joint responsibility to uphold peace.
fikus_ ::
Referednum in stil cona A in B ne bo dal realnega rezultata, ker je ozemlje očiščeno "nepravih" prebivalcev, tako na RU kot UA strani.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
nejcek74 ::
Macron mi sicer ni ravno ljub, ampak se mi je zdal ne onile novinarski konferenci kr car. Ši bere vnaprej napisane fraze iz svojega pildka, Macron pa samozavestno odpredava svoje in ne jebe Ši-ja, ki se mu je očitno mudilo domov na večerjo. Je pa jasno, da zaenkrat nekih zbliževanj med EU in Kitajsko ne bo, očitno tega noben zares ne rabi trenutno.
Pac-Man ::
Ukrajinski "Strelkov" komentira na espreso.tv:
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status...
General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos: "Bakhmut is a meat grinder, it makes no sense to keep him and he should have been handed over a few weeks ago"
Katz je postavil dobro tezo - če se ukrajinska vojska umakne iz Bahmuta bodo ruske bombe začele padat po naslednjem ruskogovorečem mestu z dobrim delom etničnih Rusov.
Kdo torej brani Ruse in ruskogovoreče v Ukrajini?
Saving Russians in Eastern Ukraine | Buildup for Ukraine's Operation (English subtitles)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
o0o0o0o0o0 ::
Xi Jinping condemned Russia's shelling of Ukrainian civilians, reports France24.
"We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used," Xi added.
"We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used," Xi added.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Katz je postavil dobro tezo - če se ukrajinska vojska umakne iz Bahmuta bodo ruske bombe začele padat po naslednjem ruskogovorečem mestu z dobrim delom etničnih Rusov.
Kdo torej brani Ruse in ruskogovoreče v Ukrajini?
V Ukrajini so Ukrajinci. Ogromno Ukrajincev je imelo za svoj materin jezik ruščino. Rusi so nekako zelo pavšalno in napak (verjetno na podlagi Donbas "izkušnje") domnevalo, da bodo rusko govoreči prebivalci "prestopili" na rusko stran.
Mogoče dokler niso začele padati prve resne bombe je marsikdo npr. iz Odese odšel v Donbas borit se na strani Donbasovcev. Ampak ocene so bile, da je to manj kot 5% ljudi.
Saj nenazadnje, ko so se začeli prvi protesti v Donbasu, ki jih je vodil, med drugim, Pušilin, je folk Pušilina izžvižgal.
Čim pa so padle prve bombe, pa je vsaj večini (ruskogovorečih Ukrajincev) bilo jasno, da ti Rusi prinašajo samo destrukcijo. Sploh pa po tem, ko so se razširili posnetki iz Buče in posnetki nadzornih kamer, kjer so ruski vojaki v hrbet streljali na lastnika poslovne stavbe in jo kasneje zropali.
Tako da v Ukrajini se borijo in ščitijo Ukrajinci Ukrajince.
To Putinovo o "ščitenju" avtohtonih Rusov v Ukrajini je enako, kot iztrebljanje nacijev v Ukrajini. Fake, da glava peče.
Rambutan ::
o0o0o0o0o0 je izjavil:
Xi Jinping condemned Russia's shelling of Ukrainian civilians, reports France24.
"We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used," Xi added.
Rusko obstreljevanje civilistov si sam dodal ali je dodal tisti, ki je povzemal France24? Original prispevek France24 namreč ne omenja ruskega obstreljevanja.
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi...
Xi called for “restraint from all political partners” in Ukraine and said China hoped for peace to be achieved via a “political solution”. The Chinese leader also condemned the bombing of civilians in Ukraine. “We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used,” he said.
Rambutan ::
Mogoče je mislil na Ukrajince, ki redno obstreljujejo mesto Donetsk?
Bi lahko jest povzel takole:
Xi Jinping condemned Ukraine's shelling of Donbas civilians, reports France24.
Bi lahko jest povzel takole:
Xi Jinping condemned Ukraine's shelling of Donbas civilians, reports France24.
Pac-Man ::
https://twitter.com/Q0MT6pFmbVqynsM/sta...
Photo of Putin's meeting with foreign ambassadors.
Who went to Mariupol?
Photo of Putin's meeting with foreign ambassadors.
Who went to Mariupol?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
tomlin ::
o0o0o0o0o0 je izjavil:
To že po thumbnailu vidiš da je bumbar
Razmišljam,da bi ustvaril proruski YouTube kanal. Imam par tisoč ur na Hoi4 in pogledal sem že tudi kup vojnih filmov tako,da imam podobne oziroma še boljše reference kot tip iz History legends. Rusofilom bom prodajal top shelf copium v zameno za donacije,ki jih bom pretopil v drone za ukrajinsko vojsko. Povpraševanje po copiumu presega ponudbo.
Na pro-ukrajinski strani imaš večji poslovni potencial, na žalost pa boš imel več konkurence. Bo treba pa pohitet, se bo kmalu zaprlo okno priložnosti.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/worl...
Ampak rusofili so bolj počasne sorte in posledično manj zahtevna publika. Z manjšim trudom je dosežen večji uspeh. Če v mineštro vmešam še teme o cepljenju, chemtrailsih in Sorošu imam pokritih večino čudakov.
Glede na to koliko je v naših krajih rusofilov, vernikov v chemtrails, antivaxerjev ter mikročip frikov, bi imel super biznis.
Svoboda in enakost ni isto kot svoboda.
M. Friedman
M. Friedman
bbbbbb2015 ::
https://twitter.com/Q0MT6pFmbVqynsM/sta...
Photo of Putin's meeting with foreign ambassadors.
Who went to Mariupol?
Zgleda čudno. Kot ona Macronova 20m miza. Tako daleč jih je od sebe postavil, da so morali narediti ozvočenje. Ta človek ni ravno diht.
o0o0o0o0o0 ::
Wagner Group founder: Ukrainian forces not retreating from Bakhmut
A niso ravno včeraj wagner še desetč ta mesec osvojili Bakhmut? :D
A niso ravno včeraj wagner še desetč ta mesec osvojili Bakhmut? :D
mackilla ::
Mogoče je mislil na Ukrajince, ki redno obstreljujejo mesto Donetsk?
Bi lahko jest povzel takole:
Xi Jinping condemned Ukraine's shelling of Donbas civilians, reports France24.
Tudi za to so krivi Rusi tako kot so bili krivi Nemci za zbomardirana mesta po Nemčiji. Rusi gredo domov in ni več obstreljevanja. As simple as that.
Chalky ::
US Army's new weapons depot in Poland is largest NATO facility buy in decades
"There will be seven gigantic warehouses stationed here on Polish soil full of heavy equipment, over 2,700 pieces from tanks to Bradley (Fighting) Vehicles, all of it belonging to the U.S. armored brigade combat team," Mark Brzezinski, the U.S. ambassador to Poland, said during an opening ceremony.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2...
"There will be seven gigantic warehouses stationed here on Polish soil full of heavy equipment, over 2,700 pieces from tanks to Bradley (Fighting) Vehicles, all of it belonging to the U.S. armored brigade combat team," Mark Brzezinski, the U.S. ambassador to Poland, said during an opening ceremony.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2...
fur80 ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
https://twitter.com/Q0MT6pFmbVqynsM/sta...
Photo of Putin's meeting with foreign ambassadors.
Who went to Mariupol?
Zgleda čudno. Kot ona Macronova 20m miza. Tako daleč jih je od sebe postavil, da so morali narediti ozvočenje. Ta človek ni ravno diht.
Enim pa še kar ne potegne, da je človek resno bolan in prismuknjen tja v glavo na kvadrat!
Lesoto ::
#Kadyrov'ites not happy with those
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Pac-Man ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Zgleda čudno. Kot ona Macronova 20m miza. Tako daleč jih je od sebe postavil, da so morali narediti ozvočenje. Ta človek ni ravno diht.
Ampak v Mariupolu se je mirno družil s tamkajšnjimi "prebivalci".
Ali je šlo za njegovega dvojnika, ali pa so bili tamkajšnji prebivalci pravzaprav uslužbenci predsedniške administracije po dvotedenski karanteni, kot pravi en pobegli varnostnik.
https://maribor24.si/globalno/pobegli-v...
Gleb Karakulov, Putinov nekdanji častnik za varnost, je pobegnil iz Rusije in razkril, da je Putin tako paranoičen glede svoje osebne varnosti, poskusov atentatov in zdravja, da se je odločil ostati v svojem bunkerju, namesto da bi redno potoval po državi kot prej. Povedal je tudi, da zaradi strahu pred prisluškovanjem z Zahoda ne uporablja mobilnega telefona.
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Njegov nekdanji varostnik trdi tudi, da se Putin smrtno boji koronavirusa in da je že četrto leto v izolaciji. “Še vedno imamo predsednika v samoizolaciji. Pred vsakim dogodkom, tudi tistim, ki traja od 15 do 20 minut, moramo spoštovati strogo dvotedensko karanteno,” je dejal in omenil, da obstaja skupina zaposlenih, ki so bili očiščeni, ki so prestali to dvotedensko karanteno. Veljajo za čiste in lahko delajo v isti sobi kot Putin.
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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
fur80 ::
o0o0o0o0o0 je izjavil:
Xi Jinping condemned Russia's shelling of Ukrainian civilians, reports France24.
"We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used," Xi added.
Rusko obstreljevanje civilistov si sam dodal ali je dodal tisti, ki je povzemal France24? Original prispevek France24 namreč ne omenja ruskega obstreljevanja.
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi...
Xi called for “restraint from all political partners” in Ukraine and said China hoped for peace to be achieved via a “political solution”. The Chinese leader also condemned the bombing of civilians in Ukraine. “We need to ensure that civilians are protected and nuclear weapons are not used,” he said.
Ti kaj šteješ te vojake in očete, ki so bili prisilno mobilizirani, da bi zadostili Putlerov ego, potem ko je več kot očitno, da je pritegnjen direkt na možgane.
Trenches full of dead Russian occupiers. Apparently, covid mowed.
https://twitter.com/CrimeaUA1/status/16...
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status...
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Rambutan ::
Se mi je zdelo čudno kakšne komedije je zganjal Prigožin da Wagnerju manjka streliva. Mogoče je to skupaj s pozivom naj umaknejo otroke in starce prepričalo Zelenskega, da je vztrajal v Bakhmutu.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023...
Russia has not experienced an ammunition shortage in the east of Ukraine, despite the Wagnerites' public statements about the lack of ammunition at the contact line.
Source: Serhii Cherevatyi, Speaker for the Eastern group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Details: Cherevatyi answered the question of whether Russia is no longer experiencing an ammunition shortage.
Quote: "Yes, unfortunately. We have repeatedly said there was no ‘shell hunger’ where Russia focused its efforts. For example, in our case, these are the Bakhmut, Kupiansk and Lyman fronts. Unfortunately, Russia still has significant capacities to attack our positions."
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023...
Russia has not experienced an ammunition shortage in the east of Ukraine, despite the Wagnerites' public statements about the lack of ammunition at the contact line.
Source: Serhii Cherevatyi, Speaker for the Eastern group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Details: Cherevatyi answered the question of whether Russia is no longer experiencing an ammunition shortage.
Quote: "Yes, unfortunately. We have repeatedly said there was no ‘shell hunger’ where Russia focused its efforts. For example, in our case, these are the Bakhmut, Kupiansk and Lyman fronts. Unfortunately, Russia still has significant capacities to attack our positions."
Lesoto ::
A misli ruska banka kaj branit tečaj rublja, al so obupali.
Ubadaš se stvarmi, ki jih ne zastopiš.
Se mi je zdelo čudno kakšne komedije je zganjal Prigožin da Wagnerju manjka streliva.
Ubadaš se stvarmi, ki jih ne zastopiš.
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o0o0o0o0o0 ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Zgleda čudno. Kot ona Macronova 20m miza. Tako daleč jih je od sebe postavil, da so morali narediti ozvočenje. Ta človek ni ravno diht.
Ampak v Mariupolu se je mirno družil s tamkajšnjimi "prebivalci".
Ali je šlo za njegovega dvojnika, ali pa so bili tamkajšnji prebivalci pravzaprav uslužbenci predsedniške administracije po dvotedenski karanteni, kot pravi en pobegli varnostnik.
https://maribor24.si/globalno/pobegli-v...
Gleb Karakulov, Putinov nekdanji častnik za varnost, je pobegnil iz Rusije in razkril, da je Putin tako paranoičen glede svoje osebne varnosti, poskusov atentatov in zdravja, da se je odločil ostati v svojem bunkerju, namesto da bi redno potoval po državi kot prej. Povedal je tudi, da zaradi strahu pred prisluškovanjem z Zahoda ne uporablja mobilnega telefona.
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Njegov nekdanji varostnik trdi tudi, da se Putin smrtno boji koronavirusa in da je že četrto leto v izolaciji. “Še vedno imamo predsednika v samoizolaciji. Pred vsakim dogodkom, tudi tistim, ki traja od 15 do 20 minut, moramo spoštovati strogo dvotedensko karanteno,” je dejal in omenil, da obstaja skupina zaposlenih, ki so bili očiščeni, ki so prestali to dvotedensko karanteno. Veljajo za čiste in lahko delajo v isti sobi kot Putin.
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https://twitter.com/theplakhovgroup/sta...
pri 0:04 se ženska zadere, da je vse fake. Tudi varnostniki začnejo okoli gledat
Rambutan ::
Ti kaj šteješ te vojake in očete, ki so bili prisilno mobilizirani, da bi zadostili Putlerov ego, potem ko je več kot očitno, da je pritegnjen direkt na možgane.
Trenches full of dead Russian occupiers. Apparently, covid mowed.
https://twitter.com/CrimeaUA1/status/16...
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status...
Jest ne štejem, ruski BBC in Mediazona pa spremljajo ruske vojaške osmrtnice, do decembra 2022 so našteli okrog 10.000 vojaških pogrebov, kar je zelo blizu ruskim uradnim podatkom. Verjetno niso všteti Wagnerji in pa LPR in DPR vojaki ter drugi prostovoljci. Glede na posnetke ukrajinskih vojaških pokopališč in mobilizacije po Ukrajini, se mi zdi, da je na ukrajini strani dosti več žrtev.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/12/09/bb...
The BBC’s Russian Service, Mediazona, and volunteers working with open source data have confirmed that, as of December 9, 10,002 Russian service members have been killed in Ukraine.
Among the dead are 430 mobilized soldiers, 104 more than the total from two weeks ago, notes the BBC. Journalists found that 394 mobilized soldiers were killed on Ukrainian territory. Another 36 died in Russia, before they were sent to the front.
The highest number of confirmed losses, according to journalists, come from the Krasnodar region (428 people). However, writes BBC, 40 percent of these losses were never reported in traditional or social media. The deaths were discovered by studying burials in local cemeteries.
Chalky ::
Lesoto:: danes, 20:12
A misli ruska banka kaj branit tečaj rublja, al so obupali.
Precej zanimivo dogajanje. Ali je možno da je Putin izgubil nadzor nad svojo valuto? Zaenkrat so jo umetno držali zdaj pa že nekaj časa izgublja vrednost. Ali je možno da je tole začetek nečesa bistveno večjega? Kaj to pomeni zdaj ko se je Putin odločil da bo trgoval v Yuanih? Tole zna biti gospodarska bomba ki je lahko večja kot katerakoli bomba ki jo ima Rusija v svojem skladišču.
Tole bi znal biti hud udarec za Putina sploh če bodo Ukrajinci istočasno pričeli z ofenzivo.
A misli ruska banka kaj branit tečaj rublja, al so obupali.
Precej zanimivo dogajanje. Ali je možno da je Putin izgubil nadzor nad svojo valuto? Zaenkrat so jo umetno držali zdaj pa že nekaj časa izgublja vrednost. Ali je možno da je tole začetek nečesa bistveno večjega? Kaj to pomeni zdaj ko se je Putin odločil da bo trgoval v Yuanih? Tole zna biti gospodarska bomba ki je lahko večja kot katerakoli bomba ki jo ima Rusija v svojem skladišču.
Tole bi znal biti hud udarec za Putina sploh če bodo Ukrajinci istočasno pričeli z ofenzivo.
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Chalky ::
Morda kdo ve kdaj bodo Rusi objavili budget deficit za mesec marec? Bo zanimivo videti če se bo trend nadaljeval. Januarja in Februarja so imeli rekordni deficit ki znaša že skoraj toliko kot v celotnem prejšnjem letu skupaj. Imajo pa še približno 150 milijard rezerv za "krizne čase". Zdaj enkrat bi morali objaviti, ta teden enkrat če se ne motim. Morda kdo ve?
fur80 ::
Ti kaj šteješ te vojake in očete, ki so bili prisilno mobilizirani, da bi zadostili Putlerov ego, potem ko je več kot očitno, da je pritegnjen direkt na možgane.
Trenches full of dead Russian occupiers. Apparently, covid mowed.
https://twitter.com/CrimeaUA1/status/16...
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status...
Jest ne štejem, ruski BBC in Mediazona pa spremljajo ruske vojaške osmrtnice, do decembra 2022 so našteli okrog 10.000 vojaških pogrebov, kar je zelo blizu ruskim uradnim podatkom. Verjetno niso všteti Wagnerji in pa LPR in DPR vojaki ter drugi prostovoljci. Glede na posnetke ukrajinskih vojaških pokopališč in mobilizacije po Ukrajini, se mi zdi, da je na ukrajini strani dosti več žrtev.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/12/09/bb...
The BBC’s Russian Service, Mediazona, and volunteers working with open source data have confirmed that, as of December 9, 10,002 Russian service members have been killed in Ukraine.
Among the dead are 430 mobilized soldiers, 104 more than the total from two weeks ago, notes the BBC. Journalists found that 394 mobilized soldiers were killed on Ukrainian territory. Another 36 died in Russia, before they were sent to the front.
The highest number of confirmed losses, according to journalists, come from the Krasnodar region (428 people). However, writes BBC, 40 percent of these losses were never reported in traditional or social media. The deaths were discovered by studying burials in local cemeteries.
Kaj ti misliš, da Rusi svoje tu ven iz rovov vlačijo in jih pošiljajo domov na pogrebe? Tisti, ki imajo to čast so verjeno iz premožnejših družin z vplivom.
Samo pri Vuhlendarju so izgubili 430 ljudi v dveh dneh, ti pa tukaj bluziš o 10 000 mrtvih? To kar si napisal, so uradni pogrebi doma. Kje je še vse ostalo.
Morda kdo ve kdaj bodo Rusi objavili budget deficit za mesec marec? Bo zanimivo videti če se bo trend nadaljeval. Januarja in Februarja so imeli rekordni deficit ki znaša že skoraj toliko kot v celotnem prejšnjem letu skupaj. Imajo pa še približno 150 milijard rezerv za "krizne čase". Zdaj enkrat bi morali objaviti, ta teden enkrat če se ne motim. Morda kdo ve?
Kaj ni nekdo tu objavo, da -46%. Bo zanimivo videti koliko bo avgusta, septembra in oktobra, tam bi moralo biti tudi do -300%.
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mackilla ::
Ti kaj šteješ te vojake in očete, ki so bili prisilno mobilizirani, da bi zadostili Putlerov ego, potem ko je več kot očitno, da je pritegnjen direkt na možgane.
Trenches full of dead Russian occupiers. Apparently, covid mowed.
https://twitter.com/CrimeaUA1/status/16...
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status...
Jest ne štejem, ruski BBC in Mediazona pa spremljajo ruske vojaške osmrtnice, do decembra 2022 so našteli okrog 10.000 vojaških pogrebov, kar je zelo blizu ruskim uradnim podatkom. Verjetno niso všteti Wagnerji in pa LPR in DPR vojaki ter drugi prostovoljci. Glede na posnetke ukrajinskih vojaških pokopališč in mobilizacije po Ukrajini, se mi zdi, da je na ukrajini strani dosti več žrtev.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/12/09/bb...
The BBC’s Russian Service, Mediazona, and volunteers working with open source data have confirmed that, as of December 9, 10,002 Russian service members have been killed in Ukraine.
Among the dead are 430 mobilized soldiers, 104 more than the total from two weeks ago, notes the BBC. Journalists found that 394 mobilized soldiers were killed on Ukrainian territory. Another 36 died in Russia, before they were sent to the front.
The highest number of confirmed losses, according to journalists, come from the Krasnodar region (428 people). However, writes BBC, 40 percent of these losses were never reported in traditional or social media. The deaths were discovered by studying burials in local cemeteries.
Tole je sicer iz tvojega prispevka tako,da že mora držati. Hvala za link.
In late November, publication Important Stories reported that Russian authorities expect 100,000 killed and wounded by spring among mobilized soldiers alone. According to Meduza’s sources, they will be replaced by conscript.
BBC notes that, by the most conservative estimates, the real number of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine may exceed 20,000, and the total number of irretrievable losses could be as high as 90,000.
Pac-Man ::
Na ruski črnomorski obali naj bi bilo 8 hotelov polnih wagnerjevcev na okrevanju, nit:
https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1643...
🧵/ link in the last tweet. Evgeny Prigozhin rented at least 8 hotels at the Krasnodar Krai resorts to use them as "rehabs" for wounded Wagner prisoners. No doctors or treatment in most of them, but drugs, alcohol and brawls. Some of those hotels receive Russian gov funding.
+ neuspešna denacifikacija:
Another 'rehab' hotel for Wagnerites fully booked by Prigozhin is 'Atlantida' in Anapa itself. The guy on the photo served his sentence back in 2022. Now he's drinking Martini near the beach after killing Ukrainians to be pardoned by Putin. Swastika tattoo is included of course.
https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1643...
🧵/ link in the last tweet. Evgeny Prigozhin rented at least 8 hotels at the Krasnodar Krai resorts to use them as "rehabs" for wounded Wagner prisoners. No doctors or treatment in most of them, but drugs, alcohol and brawls. Some of those hotels receive Russian gov funding.
+ neuspešna denacifikacija:
Another 'rehab' hotel for Wagnerites fully booked by Prigozhin is 'Atlantida' in Anapa itself. The guy on the photo served his sentence back in 2022. Now he's drinking Martini near the beach after killing Ukrainians to be pardoned by Putin. Swastika tattoo is included of course.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Lesoto ::
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/statu...
Vladimir Solovyov just never stops
At half seven this morning he was screaming into the void that Russia should nuke Ukraine before it launches its much anticipated spring counter-offensive
skoz, ko ga gledam, se na glas smejem ne morem si pomagat
Vladimir Solovyov just never stops
At half seven this morning he was screaming into the void that Russia should nuke Ukraine before it launches its much anticipated spring counter-offensive
skoz, ko ga gledam, se na glas smejem ne morem si pomagat
Lesoto ::
najdel smo Rambutana
A Ukrainian blogger tries to have a dialogue with a Russian.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/sta...
A Ukrainian blogger tries to have a dialogue with a Russian.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/sta...
Rambutan ::
Pozicioniranje EU do Kitajske, ko se bo začel konflikt med ZDA in Kitajsko, to je bistvo obiska Macrona in UVDL. Za Ukrajino jim je bilo verjetno jasno, da Xija ne bodo prepričali...
Analyst @Boris_Rozhin writes :
Politico writes that Macron failed to convince Xi Jinping on the issue of Ukraine, and the parties remained on their own (it is interesting that someone seriously hoped that Macron (!) would be able to bend Xi Jinping).
They are trying to portray victory as the fact that, in the conversation, Xi Jinping said that someday he was going to call Zelensky. But the trick is that China has not refused either a conversation with Biden or a conversation with Zelensky before. It’s just that Comrade Xi is very busy right now and can’t. Therefore, Macron was again told that there would be a conversation when there was time and circumstances for this, so here, too, China remained on its own [China's stance has not changed].
The same applies to von der Leyen, who tried to strain Xi with issues of Taiwan and Ukraine. In Ukraine, they reproduced the already well-known Chinese position, and in Taiwan, they were again reminded of the Chinese red lines, which are not recommended to be crossed.
In this regard, the visit of the United States' European vassals to correct China's policy looks like a complete failure.
The Europeans are well aware of where the United States is taking them and that this course will lead them to a confrontation with China, but they cannot change this. After the aggravation of the Cold War between the US and China, they will have to make a choice, but the choice has already been made, and they will be even more tied to the US, including to the detriment of their own economic interests. At the same time, it will be extremely problematic for the EU to free itself from the American yoke, taking into account the transition to dependence on American energy sources, and the United States will have a key lever for managing the EU in fact in a directive mode, because by that time, the pots with Russia and China will have already been beaten and there will be no alternatives.
China understands this very well, but the United States does not show any desire to make concessions in order to save the asses of European vassals.
Analyst @Boris_Rozhin writes :
Politico writes that Macron failed to convince Xi Jinping on the issue of Ukraine, and the parties remained on their own (it is interesting that someone seriously hoped that Macron (!) would be able to bend Xi Jinping).
They are trying to portray victory as the fact that, in the conversation, Xi Jinping said that someday he was going to call Zelensky. But the trick is that China has not refused either a conversation with Biden or a conversation with Zelensky before. It’s just that Comrade Xi is very busy right now and can’t. Therefore, Macron was again told that there would be a conversation when there was time and circumstances for this, so here, too, China remained on its own [China's stance has not changed].
The same applies to von der Leyen, who tried to strain Xi with issues of Taiwan and Ukraine. In Ukraine, they reproduced the already well-known Chinese position, and in Taiwan, they were again reminded of the Chinese red lines, which are not recommended to be crossed.
In this regard, the visit of the United States' European vassals to correct China's policy looks like a complete failure.
The Europeans are well aware of where the United States is taking them and that this course will lead them to a confrontation with China, but they cannot change this. After the aggravation of the Cold War between the US and China, they will have to make a choice, but the choice has already been made, and they will be even more tied to the US, including to the detriment of their own economic interests. At the same time, it will be extremely problematic for the EU to free itself from the American yoke, taking into account the transition to dependence on American energy sources, and the United States will have a key lever for managing the EU in fact in a directive mode, because by that time, the pots with Russia and China will have already been beaten and there will be no alternatives.
China understands this very well, but the United States does not show any desire to make concessions in order to save the asses of European vassals.
Matejjjjj ::
če bi vi vsi skupaj vodili vojno, bi izgubili še pred prvim strelom. vojne se ne bojuje na internetu. koliko truda sploh rabiš, da sproduciraš fake news? sploh ne rabiš dokazov. le mnenja nekoga xy. ne preverja se virov, nič.. le objave objave objave... a kdo pozna koga v rusiji ali ukrajini, a kdo pozna koga na poljski meji, a kdo pozna koga ki dela na poljskih letališčih, ali v Kursku, železnici v Belgorodu itd?. te forumske bitke, twitter propagando itd bi bilo najlaže primerjati s t.i. amaterskimi porniči kjer je 90% vsebine zaigrane.
Rambutan ::
Tukaj se odvija informacijska vojna med pro rusko in pro ukrajinsko propagando. Mislim, da je pro ukrajinska stran v prednosti. Resnična vojna se dogaja daleč od nas, se mora pač vsak zanašati na tiste vire, ki jim bolj zaupa. Je pa zelo fascinantno, kako velika razlika je v percepciji vsake strani, kateri strani gre bolje. Npr. za število žrtev mislim jest, da je nekje 8:1 v korist Rusije, pro ukrajinska stran pa verjetno misli ravno obratno, 10:1 v korist Ukrajine.
Vojna megla pa se bo kmalu razkadila in bomo videli kdo je imel prav.
Vojna megla pa se bo kmalu razkadila in bomo videli kdo je imel prav.
fur80 ::
če bi vi vsi skupaj vodili vojno, bi izgubili še pred prvim strelom. vojne se ne bojuje na internetu. koliko truda sploh rabiš, da sproduciraš fake news? sploh ne rabiš dokazov. le mnenja nekoga xy. ne preverja se virov, nič.. le objave objave objave... a kdo pozna koga v rusiji ali ukrajini, a kdo pozna koga na poljski meji, a kdo pozna koga ki dela na poljskih letališčih, ali v Kursku, železnici v Belgorodu itd?. te forumske bitke, twitter propagando itd bi bilo najlaže primerjati s t.i. amaterskimi porniči kjer je 90% vsebine zaigrane.
Če bi kaj gledal porniče, bi vedel, da ravno amaterski porniči niso zaigrani oz. najmanj, moraš pa seveda znati ločit med t.i. in pravimi! :D In ja poznamo, te zanima še koga, kje in zakaj?
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ripmork ::
Okoli števila žrtev nimam pojma. Se pa spomnim bahavo samozavestne napovedi Edvard Žitnika lani februarja, da je padec Kijeva "vprašanje dni, morda le ur"... več kot leto kasneje orjaška Rusija z ogromnimi izgubami še vedno melje, na bojiščih se pa pojavljajo muzejski primerki vojaških vozil. Podobo velesile so definitivno izgubili.
Ruska propaganda preprosto nima smisla; "Nacifikacija", kjer so morilci s svastikam pretežno na strani ruskih vojakov. "Borba proti nacizmu" s strani absolutističnega tirana, katerega obnašanje in delovanje je totalno nacistično. Borba proti (kao) širitvi NATO-a, a hkrati (odkrito) sanjarjenje o obnovitvi Sovjetske zveze - ob vzpostavitvi katere bi avtomatsko naenkrat mejili na NATO države... kje zaboga je tu kaka logika? Da niti ne omenjamo, kolikokrat se je ruska diplomacija v minulem letu+ ujela v lažeh...
S to nesmiselno agresijo je Putler dosegel ravno obratno - Finska je pravkar vstopila v NATO, Švedska je pa na poti tja.
Ko pa vsi vemo da so glih profesionalni videi tisti res pristni, lol
Ruska propaganda preprosto nima smisla; "Nacifikacija", kjer so morilci s svastikam pretežno na strani ruskih vojakov. "Borba proti nacizmu" s strani absolutističnega tirana, katerega obnašanje in delovanje je totalno nacistično. Borba proti (kao) širitvi NATO-a, a hkrati (odkrito) sanjarjenje o obnovitvi Sovjetske zveze - ob vzpostavitvi katere bi avtomatsko naenkrat mejili na NATO države... kje zaboga je tu kaka logika? Da niti ne omenjamo, kolikokrat se je ruska diplomacija v minulem letu+ ujela v lažeh...
S to nesmiselno agresijo je Putler dosegel ravno obratno - Finska je pravkar vstopila v NATO, Švedska je pa na poti tja.
če bi vi vsi skupaj vodili vojno, bi izgubili še pred prvim strelom. vojne se ne bojuje na internetu. koliko truda sploh rabiš, da sproduciraš fake news? sploh ne rabiš dokazov. le mnenja nekoga xy. ne preverja se virov, nič.. le objave objave objave... a kdo pozna koga v rusiji ali ukrajini, a kdo pozna koga na poljski meji, a kdo pozna koga ki dela na poljskih letališčih, ali v Kursku, železnici v Belgorodu itd?. te forumske bitke, twitter propagando itd bi bilo najlaže primerjati s t.i. amaterskimi porniči kjer je 90% vsebine zaigrane.
Če bi kaj gledal porniče, bi vedel, da ravno amaterski porniči niso zaigrani oz. najmanj, moraš pa seveda znati ločit med t.i. in pravimi! :D
Ko pa vsi vemo da so glih profesionalni videi tisti res pristni, lol
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