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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
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Malidelničar ::
Pa a se ve potrjene številke o ruski mobilizaciji? Ali so to bolj ugibanja?
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mojsterleo ::
Bi pa bilo zanimivo vedet, ali lahko rusom zmanjka orožja za topništvo in raket. Videti namreč ni konca.
Ne bo jim zmanjkalo ničesar. Probleme so imeli od začetka, ko so začele zaloge prehitro pohajati, sedaj so se prilagodili. Tudi manevrirnih in balističnih raket jim ne bo zmanjkalo. V najslabšem primeru pa jim jih lahko slednje dostavi Iran.
Mislim da je trenutna situacija na fronti posledica vremenskih razmer in pa dejstva, da so se Rusi uspeli logistično prilagoditi dometu Himars sistema. Ukrajinci v tem trenutku zelo nujno potrebujejo raketno artilerijo ali manevrirne rakete, daljšega dosega od 84 kilometrov. Pa ne mi prosim o GLSDB .... cela zadeva je videti kot kakšna slaba šala.
Lesoto ::
mojsterleo je izjavil:
Ne bo jim zmanjkalo ničesar.
Zmanjkalo ali jim zmanjkuje sta dva različna pojma. Če misliš, da bodo izstrelili zadnjo raketo, je ne bodo.
Da se bo pa intenziteta zmanjšala, to se je pa že. Izstreljujejo tudi 4x manj granat kot lansko poletje.
ripmork ::
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Pac-Man ::
Tole je o sprejemanju Minska II, fotke na povezavi
https://twitter.com/PavelSlunkin/status...
https://twitter.com/PavelSlunkin/status...
Exactly 8 years ago today Putin, Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko met in Minsk's Palace of Independence to negotiate ceasefire and peace in Ukraine after Russia's invasion in 2014.
I was BY diplomat then and worked with the UA delegation. Here is my thread about that night.
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Lukashenka didn't recognise the annexation of Crimea and cautiously stood up for the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This let him present Belarus as a relatively neutral country that can suit for negotiations purposes.
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France's President Mr Hollande looked like he didn't know what he was doing there. So he chose the simplest strategy - followed Angela Merkel and her instructions. You can easily read it even in the photos from that night.
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The talks lasted almost almost 17 hours. It was a hard marathon for everyone. But Putin had his own "doping" from the host country. He was the only one who had a room with a bed right in the Palace. Several times he left the table looking tired and came back fresh after some time
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Poroshenko looked exhausted. He had almost no sleep the night before Minsk and was to arrive to Brussels for the EU summit right after the talks in BY. He regularly called to Ukraine to get an update from the front and specifically from Debaltseve that was being heavily attacked
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The honeymoon period in the relations between Belarus and the West ended in 2020, when Lukashenka rigged elections, brutally cracked down the protests and political prisoners again appeared in the country (first time since 2015).
I resigned from MFA in protest and joined @ecfr
A little later I moved to Ukraine, the country that I supported so much since 2013, worked with during the Minsk talks and that became my second home after I had to leave my Homeland.
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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
mackilla ::
Zdaj verjetno misliš,da je vseh 300k Rusov,ki so jih mobilizirali odšlo brez prisileKomaj so čakali,da gredo na fronto.
V Rusiji je pri mobilizaciji verjetno bila situacija zelo podobna situaciji v prvem valu mobilizacije v Ukrajini, ko so vpoklicali najbolj sposobne in pripravljen Ukrajince. Tudi Ukrajinci so na začetku mobilizacije imeli isto kot v Rusiji celo prostovoljce.
Seveda pa se bazen voljnih moških z vsakim nadaljnim mobilizacijskim valo manjša in tako so v Ukrajini prišli v tako absurdno situacijo ko morajo mobike loviti po ulicah.
Seveda bi se popolnoma enaka zgodba odvila tudi v Rusiji, če bi prišlo do toliko mobilizacijskih valov kot v Ukrajini.
Čakaj malo. Ti misliš,da ruski mobiliziranci gredo na fronto brez odpora,ker vedo da še niso naredili splošne mobilizacije? Se pravi,da bi ti šel z veseljem v mesoreznico,če bi vedel,da mene še niso mobilizirali? A misliš,da je bilo vseh 300k ruskih mobilizirancev prostovoljcev? Potem Rusi nebi rabili mobilizacije
Pravzaprav jih je par 100k že zdavnaj zbežalo,ker pa vedeli,da jih bodo lovili po ulicah. A nisi videl posnetkov,ko so Rusom na silo vlagali papirje in podobno? Po Donbasu in Lugansku so jih pa lovili kot zajce in to lani februarja Ampak saj pravim,da se tebi Rusi ne smilijo. Rambutan ::
Saj sem ti že prej razložil, pri prvem mobilizacijskem valu so bili razmere v Rusiji in Ukrajini podobne.
Pomembna razlika, da ima Ukrajina zdaj baje že 12. val in so ostali samo posamezniki, ki ne želijo iti v vojno in jih morajo zato loviti po ulicah.
Pomembna razlika, da ima Ukrajina zdaj baje že 12. val in so ostali samo posamezniki, ki ne želijo iti v vojno in jih morajo zato loviti po ulicah.
kow ::
Baje. Baje si ti Orangutan, ne Rambutan. Vsaj tako sem zasledil na random tviter accountu, ki je bil ustvarjen februarja 2022.
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mackilla ::
Saj sem ti že prej razložil, pri prvem mobilizacijskem valu so bili razmere v Rusiji in Ukrajini podobne.
Pomembna razlika, da ima Ukrajina zdaj baje že 12. val in so ostali samo posamezniki, ki ne želijo iti v vojno in jih morajo zato loviti po ulicah.
Se pravi,da lovijo na deset tisoče ljudi ali samo tiste slabe petnajst na tvojih posnetkih? Sicer ne vemo ali jih lovijo zaradi mobilizacije ali česa drugega
Priznaj,da bi tebe tudi morali loviti pa če bi bil Rus ali Ukrajinec Rambutan ::
Baje. Baje si ti Orangutan, ne Rambutan. Vsaj tako sem zasledil na random tviter accountu, ki je bil ustvarjen februarja 2022.
Baje sem uporabil zato, ker ne vem če sploh več številčijo valove, zadnje čase poteka mobilizacija non stop ker je zmeraj manj ljudi pripravljenih iti v vojsko. Spodaj je poročanje madžarskega časopisa o mobilizaciji v Transkarpatiji.
https://pestisracok.hu/ha-ez-egy-megy-t...
Jarno ::
Ti se pa res obešaš na čudne argumente.
Mobilizacija poteka v skladu z zmožnostjo za urjenje in ozirajoč se na vojaško opremo.
Ne morejo na enkrat mobilizirat 100k rekrutov, ker bi se mesece čohali po tazadnji.
Po tvoje bi ti bil bolj srečen oz. pomirjen, če bi mobilizirali 3x po 100k.
Mobilizacija poteka v skladu z zmožnostjo za urjenje in ozirajoč se na vojaško opremo.
Ne morejo na enkrat mobilizirat 100k rekrutov, ker bi se mesece čohali po tazadnji.
Po tvoje bi ti bil bolj srečen oz. pomirjen, če bi mobilizirali 3x po 100k.
#65W!
mackilla ::
Baje. Baje si ti Orangutan, ne Rambutan. Vsaj tako sem zasledil na random tviter accountu, ki je bil ustvarjen februarja 2022.
Baje sem uporabil zato, ker ne vem če sploh več številčijo valove, zadnje čase poteka mobilizacija non stop ker je zmeraj manj ljudi pripravljenih iti v vojsko. Spodaj je poročanje madžarskega časopisa o mobilizaciji v Transkarpatiji.
https://pestisracok.hu/ha-ez-egy-megy-t...
Se pravi,da na vsake par dni ali par tednov mobilizirajo vse moške,ki dopolnijo 18 let?
Rambutan ::
Ti se pa res obešaš na čudne argumente.
Mobilizacija poteka v skladu z zmožnostjo za urjenje in ozirajoč se na vojaško opremo.
Ne morejo na enkrat mobilizirat 100k rekrutov, ker bi se mesece čohali po tazadnji.
Po tvoje bi ti bil bolj srečen oz. pomirjen, če bi mobilizirali 3x po 100k.
So dve vrsti mobilizirancev, bolj sposobni in motivirani se urijo na zahodu z novim orožjem, ti bodo formirali nove brigade. Druga vrsta pa gre direkt na fronto nadomeščat izgube brez dolgotrajnega urjenja. Spodaj imaš ukrajinsko reportažo iz Bakhmuta, šofer ki prevaža ljudi pravi da mobiki povprečno preživijo 4 ure. Verjetno malo pretirano, ma vseeno je to zelo tragično.
https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1...
mackilla ::
Ti se pa res obešaš na čudne argumente.
Mobilizacija poteka v skladu z zmožnostjo za urjenje in ozirajoč se na vojaško opremo.
Ne morejo na enkrat mobilizirat 100k rekrutov, ker bi se mesece čohali po tazadnji.
Po tvoje bi ti bil bolj srečen oz. pomirjen, če bi mobilizirali 3x po 100k.
Ali pa enkrat in takrat vse od 18 let pa do 60. Zdaj kam bi dal vse vojake in kdo bi jih usposabljal pa ni pomembno. Nekaj takšnega so naredili Rusi pol so pa mobiliziranci jamrali,da jih nimajo kam dati in da ni inštruktorjev. Bila je pa ena mobilizacija
Ti se pa res obešaš na čudne argumente.
Mobilizacija poteka v skladu z zmožnostjo za urjenje in ozirajoč se na vojaško opremo.
Ne morejo na enkrat mobilizirat 100k rekrutov, ker bi se mesece čohali po tazadnji.
Po tvoje bi ti bil bolj srečen oz. pomirjen, če bi mobilizirali 3x po 100k.
So dve vrsti mobilizirancev, bolj sposobni in motivirani se urijo na zahodu z novim orožjem, ti bodo formirali nove brigade. Druga vrsta pa gre direkt na fronto nadomeščat izgube brez dolgotrajnega urjenja. Spodaj imaš ukrajinsko reportažo iz Bakhmuta, šofer ki prevaža ljudi pravi da mobiki povprečno preživijo 4 ure. Verjetno malo pretirano, ma vseeno je to zelo tragično.
https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1...
To so naredili Rusi z prebivalci Donbasa in Luganska,ki jih je Putin prišel osvoboditi. Mobilizacija in direkt na fronto. Siromake so pobirali direkt z ulic. Zdaj so večinoma že rešeni vsega hudega. Ampak tebi se Rusi ne smilijo
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kow ::
Pac-Man ::
Solovjova bo treba hospitalizirat, od vsega stresa je čisto adijo :)
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Tole je o sprejemanju Minska II, fotke na povezavi
https://twitter.com/PavelSlunkin/status...
Exactly 8 years ago today Putin, Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko met in Minsk's Palace of Independence to negotiate ceasefire and peace in Ukraine after Russia's invasion in 2014.
I was BY diplomat then and worked with the UA delegation. Here is my thread about that night.
O tem se je že ves čas pisalo. Ukrajini, oziroma Porošenku so vsiljevali pozicijo. Morda največji problem Minska II je bil, da se ni dotaknil statusa Krima. Podpisano je bilo premirje, ki pa ga DNR/LNRjevci niso spoštovali:
Battle of Debaltseve @ Wikipedia
Takrat, najkasneje takrat je bilo Ukrajincem jasno, da so Rusi zadaj za LNR/DNRjevci, saj separatisti niso imeli težkega orožja. In da pač vseeno, kaj Rusi/LNR/DNRjevci podpišejo - papir raztrgajo, če jim to ustreza.
Takrat je bilo jasno, da Ukrajinci (takrat) niso bili dovolj močni, a so od 2014 dobivali na moči. Rusi so pa tudi vedeli, da ne bo ostalo pri tem. Ruske sreče je bilo 2022 konec, ker so z direktnim napadom na Ukrajino pokazali, da so direkten agresor.
Na principu, da se s silo meja ne spreminja, si bo Putin polomil vse zobe in kremplje.
lynxslo5 ::
Solovjova bo treba hospitalizirat, od vsega stresa je čisto adijo :)
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
Solovjev je bedak. Po vrhu pa še sploh Rus ni, saj je Žid.
lynxslo5 ::
https://www.rtvslo.si/zabava-in-slog/gl...
Samo še tega se je manjkalo. Zelenski v San Remu. Naj ostane pri svojih židovskih rojakih iz Hollywooda in vsaj Italijane pusti na miru, da izberejo svojega predstavnika v San Remu.
Samo še tega se je manjkalo. Zelenski v San Remu. Naj ostane pri svojih židovskih rojakih iz Hollywooda in vsaj Italijane pusti na miru, da izberejo svojega predstavnika v San Remu.
mackilla ::
Solovjova bo treba hospitalizirat, od vsega stresa je čisto adijo :)
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
Solovjev je bedak. Po vrhu pa še sploh Rus ni, saj je Žid.
A Rus me more biti Žid? Daj malo razčisti osnove.
Malidelničar ::
bbbbbb2015: Zanimivo ozadje. Porošenkove pozicije tudi nikoli nisem razumel. Juščenkova je bila znana, Janukovičeva tudi. Kam bi ga ti postavil - je želel naivno bolj nežno priti bližje Zahodu ampak na način, da bi bil še vedno 'bestič' s Putinom?
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.
lynxslo5 ::
Solovjova bo treba hospitalizirat, od vsega stresa je čisto adijo :)
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
Solovjev je bedak. Po vrhu pa še sploh Rus ni, saj je Žid.
A Rus me more biti Žid? Daj malo razčisti osnove.
Osnove tebi niso jasne. Ruska federacija je večnacionalna država in v njej živijo tako Rusi kot Židi in vsi ostali. Ne moreš pa biti po narodnosti Rus in Žid hkrati. Solovjev je genetsko nekaj takega kot Roman Abramovič.
mackilla ::
Solovjova bo treba hospitalizirat, od vsega stresa je čisto adijo :)
video:
https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/statu...
Solovjev je bedak. Po vrhu pa še sploh Rus ni, saj je Žid.
A Rus me more biti Žid? Daj malo razčisti osnove.
Osnove tebi niso jasne. Ruska federacija je večnacionalna država in v njej živijo tako Rusi kot Židi in vsi ostali. Ne moreš pa biti po narodnosti Rus in Žid hkrati. Solovjev je genetsko nekaj takega kot Roman Abramovič.
Kakšno vezo ima če je Žid? A židi niso ruski državljani?
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Rambutan ::
Ribiči analizirajo poraz pri Ugledarju.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaR...
You can put the blame on the command of the group as much as you like, but in this particular case , the cause of the tragic events was the general unpreparedness of the commanders of the battalion and tactical level, the lack of coordination between the units involved and the disruption of the combat mission.
Motorized rifle units were supposed to enter the battle almost simultaneously with the marines, but this did not happen. The formation commanders, probably afraid of punishment, reported on the complete readiness of their subordinates for the assault, which was far from reality.
Due to the lack of elementary cover for electronic warfare and air defense, as well as the objective difficulty of completely clearing all approaches to Ugledar and dachas (well, and insufficient efforts, let's be honest), there was simply no other option for movement. The entire column was at a glance from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Ugledar Heights.
At the same time, all the equipment was not destroyed, as Ukrainian media say. Some were only damaged, some remained intact. Under favorable conditions, it can be pulled out and repaired. Judging by the open hatches, most of the personnel were successfully evacuated, but there are dead and, alas, they cannot be returned.
Fear of command, unwillingness to work on mistakes, failure to use the experience of the NWO year and the most common bureaucracy are the main reasons for what happened. Systemic changes are needed in approaches to the conduct of hostilities - both at the operational-tactical and simply tactical levels. Otherwise, Belogorovka and Ugledar will be repeated from time to time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaR...
You can put the blame on the command of the group as much as you like, but in this particular case , the cause of the tragic events was the general unpreparedness of the commanders of the battalion and tactical level, the lack of coordination between the units involved and the disruption of the combat mission.
Motorized rifle units were supposed to enter the battle almost simultaneously with the marines, but this did not happen. The formation commanders, probably afraid of punishment, reported on the complete readiness of their subordinates for the assault, which was far from reality.
Due to the lack of elementary cover for electronic warfare and air defense, as well as the objective difficulty of completely clearing all approaches to Ugledar and dachas (well, and insufficient efforts, let's be honest), there was simply no other option for movement. The entire column was at a glance from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Ugledar Heights.
At the same time, all the equipment was not destroyed, as Ukrainian media say. Some were only damaged, some remained intact. Under favorable conditions, it can be pulled out and repaired. Judging by the open hatches, most of the personnel were successfully evacuated, but there are dead and, alas, they cannot be returned.
Fear of command, unwillingness to work on mistakes, failure to use the experience of the NWO year and the most common bureaucracy are the main reasons for what happened. Systemic changes are needed in approaches to the conduct of hostilities - both at the operational-tactical and simply tactical levels. Otherwise, Belogorovka and Ugledar will be repeated from time to time.
mackilla ::
Ribiči analizirajo poraz pri Ugledarju.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaR...
You can put the blame on the command of the group as much as you like, but in this particular case , the cause of the tragic events was the general unpreparedness of the commanders of the battalion and tactical level, the lack of coordination between the units involved and the disruption of the combat mission.
Motorized rifle units were supposed to enter the battle almost simultaneously with the marines, but this did not happen. The formation commanders, probably afraid of punishment, reported on the complete readiness of their subordinates for the assault, which was far from reality.
Due to the lack of elementary cover for electronic warfare and air defense, as well as the objective difficulty of completely clearing all approaches to Ugledar and dachas (well, and insufficient efforts, let's be honest), there was simply no other option for movement. The entire column was at a glance from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Ugledar Heights.
At the same time, all the equipment was not destroyed, as Ukrainian media say. Some were only damaged, some remained intact. Under favorable conditions, it can be pulled out and repaired. Judging by the open hatches, most of the personnel were successfully evacuated, but there are dead and, alas, they cannot be returned.
Fear of command, unwillingness to work on mistakes, failure to use the experience of the NWO year and the most common bureaucracy are the main reasons for what happened. Systemic changes are needed in approaches to the conduct of hostilities - both at the operational-tactical and simply tactical levels. Otherwise, Belogorovka and Ugledar will be repeated from time to time.
Seveda Ukrajinci čakajo,da bodo Rusi prišli iskati zapuščeno robo. Smo videli kako so se Rusi evakuirali v brezglavem begu. S takim vas filajo pa verjamete
bbbbbb2015 ::
Malidelničar je izjavil:
bbbbbb2015: Zanimivo ozadje. Porošenkove pozicije tudi nikoli nisem razumel. Juščenkova je bila znana, Janukovičeva tudi. Kam bi ga ti postavil - je želel naivno bolj nežno priti bližje Zahodu ampak na način, da bi bil še vedno 'bestič' s Putinom?
Porošenko je bil v skoraj nemogoči poziciji. Vlado/parlament je imel prozahodno usmerjeno. Ekonomsko je bila (takrat) Ukrajina v primežu Rusije glede cen plina. Če Rusija ceno zviša, gre ukrajinska ekonomija hipoma dol.
In Zelenski in Porošenko, nenazadnje tudi Merklica, sploh Porošenko so takrat podpisali karkoli dokaj razumnega, kar ni kapitulacija Ukrajine, da si kupijo čas. In podpisali so Minsk II.
Samo moraš pa vedeti, da pro-rusko usmerjeni oligarhi tudi niso šparali besed/krogel:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e...
Porošenko je vedel za napake, ki so jih Ukrajinci naredili prej, predvsem v razmerju do Donbasa. Porošenko je sigurno hotel v EU in nasploh bliže zahodu. Saj to je sam rekel v intervjujih. Da Putin laže kot pes, mu je bilo jasno že takrat. Tudi to je povedal enkrat, ko so ga na cesti snemali, kako je dobil AK, pa je rekel, da bo sedaj treba v boj.
Ukrajinci so se odločili za Minsk II, ker je to bil nek zamrznjen konflikt, davili so Krim z nedobavo vode, Zalužni pa je imel nalogo (na to nalogo ga je sicer postavil Zelenski), da vojsko pripravi na boj.
Porošenko se je samo odbijal med posameznimi trdimi opcijami, v EU ne bo možno hitro, cena plina držati nizko, dokler se da, vojsko maksimalno pripraviti, zasedeni Krim in Donbasovce daviti, kolikor se da. Imel pa je porozno vse - Rusi so nasrali vohunov v vse, je pa res, da je nekdo bil iz Donbasa ali Odese, pa je delal v Kijevu in vohunil za Ruse. Vohune so sčistili iz svojih vrst šele kasneje, nemogoče jih je bilo izločiti prej.
Na kratko: Porošenko je kupoval čas, kar se da na debelo. Da mu pa Rusi lažejo, pa je ugotovil glih za časa pogajanja Minsk II. Rusi so pač ugotovili, da vsiljeni Minsk II dolgoročno ne dela za njih - očitno ne bo implementiran, Donbas je bil v ekonomskem krču, Donbasovci so imeli težave z ekonomijo. Krim je bil suh kot poper in niso imeli elektrike in uvažali so sadje in zelenjavo. Plus je bil pod sankcijami.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Ribiči analizirajo poraz pri Ugledarju.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaR...
You can put the blame on the command of the group as much as you like, but in this particular case , the cause of the tragic events was the general unpreparedness of the commanders of the battalion and tactical level, the lack of coordination between the units involved and the disruption of the combat mission.
Tukaj imaš poljudno verzijo:
Rusi so napadli frontalno s celim tankovskim batajonom, Ukrajinci so jih spustili naprej (skozi), nato pa komplet uničili v navzkrižnem ognju.
Enako se jim bo zgodilo, kjerkoli bodo tako pogumno napadli. Področje je bilo na gosto minirano, zemlja ni imela nosilnosti, pa so se odpravili v gosjem redu po cesti.
Da zdaj Rusi napadejo v veliki ofenzivi, Ukrajinci bodo ravnali enako: spustili predse, niso neumni, da se čelno soočijo s tankovskim bataljonom. Potem pa jih udrihati iz razdalje v bok, plus močno izvidovanje. Lahko pa Ruse spustijo še globlje noter, ter jim porežejo oskrbo. In bodo tanki in oklepna vozila zopet brez vsega in bodo lačni Rusi zopet ravbali trgovine.
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Rambutan ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Rusi so napadli frontalno s celim tankovskim batajonom, Ukrajinci so jih spustili naprej (skozi), nato pa komplet uničili v navzkrižnem ognju.
Enako se jim bo zgodilo, kjerkoli bodo tako pogumno napadli. Področje je bilo na gosto minirano, zemlja ni imela nosilnosti, pa so se odpravili v gosjem redu po cesti.
Da zdaj Rusi napadejo v veliki ofenzivi, Ukrajinci bodo ravnali enako: spustili predse, niso neumni, da se čelno soočijo s tankovskim bataljonom. Potem pa jih udrihati iz razdalje v bok, plus močno izvidovanje. Lahko pa Ruse spustijo še globlje noter, ter jim porežejo oskrbo. In bodo tanki in oklepna vozila zopet brez vsega in bodo lačni Rusi zopet ravbali trgovine.
Ja, se kar strinjam da bi Rusi imeli konkretne izgube če bi šli zdaj v globoke prodore. Zato pa tudi mislim da bodo še naprej vztrajali s pozicijsko taktiko, kjer imajo veliko prednost v artileriji. Trenutna situacija Rusiji ustreza, Zelenski jim gre na roko z vztrajanjem v Bakhmutu. IMO bodo šli v globoke prodore komaj takrat, ko bo ukrajinska vojska dovolj degradirana in se bo začela rušiti.
Anney ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Obstajata samo dva načina kako živeti svoje življenje:
Prvi pravi, da nič ni čudež, drugi pa, da vse je čudež.
Prvi pravi, da nič ni čudež, drugi pa, da vse je čudež.
Rambutan ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
lynxslo5 ::
Če bi Američani resnično hoteli, da Ukrajinci zmagajo, bi jim dali najsodobnejše orožje, tako kot ga že desetletja dajejo Izraelu. Ukrajina je do sedaj dobila bore malo najsodobnejšega orožja od Amerike. Letal jim nočejo dati. 30 tankov jim bodo pa mogoče dostavili enkrat naslednje leto. Edina država na svetu katero sto procentno ščiti Amerika je Izrael. Vse ostale pa vedno pusti na cedilu in jim na koncu zarine nož v hrbet. Ne verjemem, da se bo frotna črta v prihodnosti bistveno spremenila. Ostalo bo zamznjeno stanje in Ukrajina bo za vedno izgubila probližno 20% ozemlja.
jernejl ::
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
Ruska propaganda (drugega iz rusije itak ne boš slišal) je pred enim letom napovedovala, kako bodo ruski vojaki iz vaje v belorusiji šli nazaj domov. Zahodne napovedi so popolnoma točno povedale, da bodo vdrli v Ukrajino.
Če že slediš ruske vire, jih moraš negirati, da dobiš resnico. Ali pa za resnico enostavno bereš zahodne vire.
Če bi Američani resnično hoteli, da Ukrajinci zmagajo, bi jim dali najsodobnejše orožje, tako kot ga že desetletja dajejo Izraelu. Ukrajina je do sedaj dobila bore malo najsodobnejšega orožja od Amerike.Američanom vojna paše, ker bodo tako prodali največ orožja. Poleg tega bodo z dolgotrajnim mletjem ruske vojske ruse precej bolj ošibili (tako vojaško kot ekonomsko), kot če bi jih na hitro pregnali iz Ukrajine in Ukrajince tako oborožili, da rusi ne bi več upali stopiti tja. Američani si lahko privoščijo Ukrajino pitati z orožjem v aktualnih/omejenih količinah še naslednjih 20+ let, zdaj ko nimajo več Afganistana.
Končanje vojne je precej bolj v interesu evropskih držav, ampak mi itak nimamo skupne zunanje politike in se ne moremo nič dogovoriti, zato (skoraj) vsaka evropska država razmišlja nekako tako: naj raje drugi pomagajo, da nam ne bo treba.
Chalky ::
Politiko ravnokar poroča da bo Biden kmalu zaprosil kongres za najvišji vojaški proračun v zgodovini ZDA. Razlog naj bi bil "obnovitev vojaških zalog". Trenutni vojaški proračun znaša 858 milijard. Se nebi čudil če bo šlo tole čez Trilijon.
Biden prepares largest Pentagon budget in history as spending cuts loom
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/1...
The Biden administration is preparing to ask Congress for the largest Pentagon budget in history, according to the Defense Department's chief financial officer, as partisan squabbling over the debt ceiling raises the specter of deep cuts to the military's funding plans.
Officials are "very close" to settling on a final topline number for the Defense Department, which the White House will include as part of its overall fiscal 2024 budget request set for release on March 9, Pentagon Comptroller Michael McCord said in an interview.
"I do expect it will be a bigger number than Congress provided last year," McCord said. While he declined to give details about the proposal since it's still in flux, he said the Pentagon will invest in munitions to replenish U.S. stockpiles and support the continued fight in Ukraine, where both sides are expending thousands of rounds a day.
In December, lawmakers appropriated $858 billion in national defense funding -- $45 billion more than Biden sought. That included $817 billion for the Pentagon, and billions more for nuclear weapons development through the Energy Department and other national security programs.
Biden prepares largest Pentagon budget in history as spending cuts loom
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/1...
The Biden administration is preparing to ask Congress for the largest Pentagon budget in history, according to the Defense Department's chief financial officer, as partisan squabbling over the debt ceiling raises the specter of deep cuts to the military's funding plans.
Officials are "very close" to settling on a final topline number for the Defense Department, which the White House will include as part of its overall fiscal 2024 budget request set for release on March 9, Pentagon Comptroller Michael McCord said in an interview.
"I do expect it will be a bigger number than Congress provided last year," McCord said. While he declined to give details about the proposal since it's still in flux, he said the Pentagon will invest in munitions to replenish U.S. stockpiles and support the continued fight in Ukraine, where both sides are expending thousands of rounds a day.
In December, lawmakers appropriated $858 billion in national defense funding -- $45 billion more than Biden sought. That included $817 billion for the Pentagon, and billions more for nuclear weapons development through the Energy Department and other national security programs.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Anney ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
Žal rusi tega ne bodo nikoli rekli, je pa vir tujih obveščevalcev, žal zahodnih, bomo videli kaj bo iz tega. Tudi moje mnenje je, da če ne ukrenejo zdaj kaj (kar že poskušajo, z gromozanskimi izgubami), bodo na pomlad bore malo storili. Tudi info, da jih v Bahmutu še vedno držijo na distanci pove veliko. Sam šef wagnerja je rekel, da je tukaj mesoreznica.
Obstajata samo dva načina kako živeti svoje življenje:
Prvi pravi, da nič ni čudež, drugi pa, da vse je čudež.
Prvi pravi, da nič ni čudež, drugi pa, da vse je čudež.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Lesoto ::
Lesoto ::
Ne moreš pa biti po narodnosti Rus in Žid hkrati. Solovjev je genetsko nekaj takega kot Roman Abramovič.
Ijaaaoooo...
Rus je nacionalnost, Žid je veroizpoved.
Fak folk, kaj to pišete, pa še mislite, da ste pametni.
za ZDA:
IMO bodo šli v globoke prodore komaj takrat, ko bo ukrajinska vojska dovolj degradirana in se bo začela rušiti.
Ko pogledamo kolaps okoli Vuhledarja, vidimo, da te sama ruska vojska demantira.
Rusi tako hudo degradirajo Ukrajince, da so dezintegrirali tako Kadirovce kot Wagnerja.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Lesoto ::
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/sta...
Russian losses in three days - 8-10 February.
From 103 vehicles 36 are tanks.
And these are what have confirmed by pictures and videos, must be 30-40% more.
Russian losses in three days - 8-10 February.
From 103 vehicles 36 are tanks.
And these are what have confirmed by pictures and videos, must be 30-40% more.
mackilla ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
Rusi se nacificirajo Ukrajinci pa militarizirajo. Očitno specialna vojaška operacija gre po načrtih. Sicer ne po ruskih
Pac-Man ::
Reportaža AP o in iz Mariupola
Video, 7 minut:
Occupied Mariupol: Russia wipes out city's history
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai...
...
Eight months after Mariupol fell into Russian hands, Russia is eradicating all vestiges of Ukraine from it – along with the evidence of war crimes buried in its buildings, such as the famed Drama Theater where demolition started Thursday. The few open schools teach a Russian curriculum, phone and television networks are Russian, the Ukrainian currency is dying out, and Mariupol is now in the Moscow time zone. On the ruins of the old Mariupol, a new Russian city is rising, with materials from at least one European company, The Associated Press found.
...
Every one of the dozens of residents the AP spoke with knew someone killed during the siege of Mariupol, which began with the Feb. 24 invasion. As many as 30 people arrive at the morgue each day in hopes of tracking down a loved one.
Lydya Erashova watched her 5-year-old son Artem and her 7-year-old niece Angelina die after a Russian shelling in March. The family hastily buried the young cousins in a makeshift grave in a yard and fled Mariupol.
They returned in July to rebury the children, only to learn while on the road that the bodies had already been dug up and taken to a warehouse. As they approached the city center, each block was bleaker than the last.
...
The AP investigation drew on interviews with 30 residents from Mariupol, including 13 living under Russian occupation; satellite imagery; hundreds of videos gathered from inside the city, and Russian documents showing a master plan. Taken together, they chronicle a comprehensive effort to suppress Mariupol’s collective history and memory as a Ukrainian city.
...
In all, a total at least 10,300 new graves are scattered around Mariupol, according to AP’s methodology, confirmed by three forensic pathologists with expertise in mass graves. Thousands more bodies likely never even made it to the graveyard.
Back in May, when the city finally fell, the municipal government in exile estimated 25,000 people at a minimum had died. But at least three people in the city since June say the number killed is triple that or more, based on conversations with workers documenting body collection from the streets for the Russian occupation authorities.
Svitlana Chebotareva, a Mariupol resident who fled in March, said her neighbor died in a flat nearby, and the body is still there. Chebotareva returned home this autumn for just long enough to retrieve her belongings, since residents are free to come and go so long as they pass checkpoints. She said the Russians expect gratitude with their offer of a few new apartments.
“I don’t know how it’s possible now to give us ‘candies’ in exchange for destroyed homes and killed people,” she said in Kyiv. “As if there’s something to believe in.”
The notices are taped to peeling, pockmarked walls by the entry, and addressed to “DEAR RESIDENTS.”
This is how those who remained in Mariupol learn their buildings are scheduled for imminent demolition. Often, despite shattered windows, frozen pipes and no electricity, they are still living inside because they have nowhere else to go.
...
That means in all, the demolitions will remove well over 50,000 homes, according to AP calculations.
“There is no discussion, people aren’t prepared,” said an activist in Mariupol, who like all inside Mariupol requested anonymity for fear of retribution. “People still live in the basements. Where they can go is unclear.”
Only Russians handle the debris itself, according to another resident still in the city who works on the sites. The stated reason is to avoid accidents, he said.
But Petro Andryushchenko, an aide to Mariupol’s mayor who is exiled in Dnipro, believes the real reason is to ensure that people don’t see the rotting corpses being hauled away. He said many of the buildings, especially in the neighborhood around Azovstal , contain 50 to 100 bodies each that will never get a decent burial. Those deaths will go unrecorded.
...
Nepomnyshaya was at her daughter’s building when Russian tanks rolled up to her own at dusk on March 11. As AP journalists watched and recorded from the upper floor of nearby Hospital No. 2, one tank raised its gun at 110 Mytropolytska and fired.
The shell shattered the walls of Nepomnyshaya’s apartment and obliterated those of the neighbors above, below and behind her. Most of the neighbors were huddled in the basement, but two elderly women, Lydya and Nataliya, couldn’t make the trip up and down the stairs.
Their bodies would be buried in the courtyard soon after. Weeks later, AP video showed the rough graves still there.
...
“They spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on things like erasing demonstrations of Ukrainian identity and very little time tending to the needs of the Mariupol people,” said Michael Carpenter, U.S. ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which for years monitored eastern Ukraine. “It’s really a very brutal inhuman colonial experiment unfolding before our eyes.”
As it tries to raze the remains of Ukraine, Russia has laid out a plan for a new city with a new population. At its heart will lie the historic Mariupol theater, according to the master plan first reported by the Russian site The Village in August and seen by The Associated Press.
The majestic Drama Theater became the city’s main bomb shelter until twin Russian airstrikes hit on March 16. Hundreds died, an AP investigation found, and residents said the site reeked of bodies all summer. To mask the ruins, Russian authorities put up a screen so tall it can be seen from space, etching the theater’s outline on the paneling in a ghostly reminder of its previous life.
...
Russia already has constructed at least 14 new apartment buildings — a small fraction of the number coming down — and is repairing at least two of the hospitals it damaged by shelling. Video obtained by The Associated Press showed rows of pallets stacked with insulation from the Danish company Rockwool, which maintains its division in Russia despite criticism. Construction materials are not subject to sanctions.
...
Videos show no furniture visible in the windows of the new apartments and few people on the sidewalks outside. Only pensioners, the disabled and those affiliated with the occupation seem to be getting them, according to multiple people still in Mariupol.
One man applied to the list in September and found himself in 11,700th place. He has friends in the 2,000 range who are still waiting, like him. And an old man he knows, whose number was in the 9,000s has already moved into one of the new buildings.
“I don’t know how it happens. I won’t speculate,” he said.
...
The Russian master plan for Mariupol calls for a population of 212,000 in 2022, and back to 425,000 by 2030. Right now, about 15,000 of the people in Mariupol people are Russian troops, said Andryushchenko, who drew his estimate from information about the soldiers taking over homes and public buildings. He said Russian riot police have begun patrolling the city to head off protests over the lack of heat, electricity and water.
...
Construction workers from Russia show no signs of leaving, and tents were visible outside the Port City mall until the winter. Doctors and city administrators also have come in from Russia, according to Russian government announcements and physicians who left the city after refusing to work for the occupation authorities.
...
On Nov. 15, Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded Mariupol the title of “City of Military Glory” for the heroism of people he described as its defenders. On Dec. 7, Putin said his war against Ukraine had turned the Sea of Azov into “Russia’s internal sea.”
This suits many of those who remained behind just fine. Mariupol has always had some residents who considered themselves Russian.
Russia’s occupation of Mariupol has divided families and friends into two categories: Those who stayed and those who fled. Both grapple with what Mariupol once was and will be.
When Ivan Kalinin escaped, he left behind the body of his wife Iryna and their unborn first child, both killed in the March 9 Russian airstrike on the maternity hospital. His parents and hers stayed in Mariupol.
...
Mariupol is now torn between Russia and Ukraine. Some people who stayed are waiting for Russian citizenship just to get on with their lives. Yet the Ukrainian letter ï , which is not found in Russian, is appearing as graffiti around the city — a small act of defiance in a place many described as full of fear.
...
Video, 7 minut:
Occupied Mariupol: Russia wipes out city's history
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai...
...
Eight months after Mariupol fell into Russian hands, Russia is eradicating all vestiges of Ukraine from it – along with the evidence of war crimes buried in its buildings, such as the famed Drama Theater where demolition started Thursday. The few open schools teach a Russian curriculum, phone and television networks are Russian, the Ukrainian currency is dying out, and Mariupol is now in the Moscow time zone. On the ruins of the old Mariupol, a new Russian city is rising, with materials from at least one European company, The Associated Press found.
...
Every one of the dozens of residents the AP spoke with knew someone killed during the siege of Mariupol, which began with the Feb. 24 invasion. As many as 30 people arrive at the morgue each day in hopes of tracking down a loved one.
Lydya Erashova watched her 5-year-old son Artem and her 7-year-old niece Angelina die after a Russian shelling in March. The family hastily buried the young cousins in a makeshift grave in a yard and fled Mariupol.
They returned in July to rebury the children, only to learn while on the road that the bodies had already been dug up and taken to a warehouse. As they approached the city center, each block was bleaker than the last.
...
The AP investigation drew on interviews with 30 residents from Mariupol, including 13 living under Russian occupation; satellite imagery; hundreds of videos gathered from inside the city, and Russian documents showing a master plan. Taken together, they chronicle a comprehensive effort to suppress Mariupol’s collective history and memory as a Ukrainian city.
...
In all, a total at least 10,300 new graves are scattered around Mariupol, according to AP’s methodology, confirmed by three forensic pathologists with expertise in mass graves. Thousands more bodies likely never even made it to the graveyard.
Back in May, when the city finally fell, the municipal government in exile estimated 25,000 people at a minimum had died. But at least three people in the city since June say the number killed is triple that or more, based on conversations with workers documenting body collection from the streets for the Russian occupation authorities.
Svitlana Chebotareva, a Mariupol resident who fled in March, said her neighbor died in a flat nearby, and the body is still there. Chebotareva returned home this autumn for just long enough to retrieve her belongings, since residents are free to come and go so long as they pass checkpoints. She said the Russians expect gratitude with their offer of a few new apartments.
“I don’t know how it’s possible now to give us ‘candies’ in exchange for destroyed homes and killed people,” she said in Kyiv. “As if there’s something to believe in.”
The notices are taped to peeling, pockmarked walls by the entry, and addressed to “DEAR RESIDENTS.”
This is how those who remained in Mariupol learn their buildings are scheduled for imminent demolition. Often, despite shattered windows, frozen pipes and no electricity, they are still living inside because they have nowhere else to go.
...
That means in all, the demolitions will remove well over 50,000 homes, according to AP calculations.
“There is no discussion, people aren’t prepared,” said an activist in Mariupol, who like all inside Mariupol requested anonymity for fear of retribution. “People still live in the basements. Where they can go is unclear.”
Only Russians handle the debris itself, according to another resident still in the city who works on the sites. The stated reason is to avoid accidents, he said.
But Petro Andryushchenko, an aide to Mariupol’s mayor who is exiled in Dnipro, believes the real reason is to ensure that people don’t see the rotting corpses being hauled away. He said many of the buildings, especially in the neighborhood around Azovstal , contain 50 to 100 bodies each that will never get a decent burial. Those deaths will go unrecorded.
...
Nepomnyshaya was at her daughter’s building when Russian tanks rolled up to her own at dusk on March 11. As AP journalists watched and recorded from the upper floor of nearby Hospital No. 2, one tank raised its gun at 110 Mytropolytska and fired.
The shell shattered the walls of Nepomnyshaya’s apartment and obliterated those of the neighbors above, below and behind her. Most of the neighbors were huddled in the basement, but two elderly women, Lydya and Nataliya, couldn’t make the trip up and down the stairs.
Their bodies would be buried in the courtyard soon after. Weeks later, AP video showed the rough graves still there.
“They spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on things like erasing demonstrations of Ukrainian identity and very little time tending to the needs of the Mariupol people,” said Michael Carpenter, U.S. ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which for years monitored eastern Ukraine. “It’s really a very brutal inhuman colonial experiment unfolding before our eyes.”
As it tries to raze the remains of Ukraine, Russia has laid out a plan for a new city with a new population. At its heart will lie the historic Mariupol theater, according to the master plan first reported by the Russian site The Village in August and seen by The Associated Press.
The majestic Drama Theater became the city’s main bomb shelter until twin Russian airstrikes hit on March 16. Hundreds died, an AP investigation found, and residents said the site reeked of bodies all summer. To mask the ruins, Russian authorities put up a screen so tall it can be seen from space, etching the theater’s outline on the paneling in a ghostly reminder of its previous life.
Russia already has constructed at least 14 new apartment buildings — a small fraction of the number coming down — and is repairing at least two of the hospitals it damaged by shelling. Video obtained by The Associated Press showed rows of pallets stacked with insulation from the Danish company Rockwool, which maintains its division in Russia despite criticism. Construction materials are not subject to sanctions.
...
Videos show no furniture visible in the windows of the new apartments and few people on the sidewalks outside. Only pensioners, the disabled and those affiliated with the occupation seem to be getting them, according to multiple people still in Mariupol.
One man applied to the list in September and found himself in 11,700th place. He has friends in the 2,000 range who are still waiting, like him. And an old man he knows, whose number was in the 9,000s has already moved into one of the new buildings.
“I don’t know how it happens. I won’t speculate,” he said.
...
The Russian master plan for Mariupol calls for a population of 212,000 in 2022, and back to 425,000 by 2030. Right now, about 15,000 of the people in Mariupol people are Russian troops, said Andryushchenko, who drew his estimate from information about the soldiers taking over homes and public buildings. He said Russian riot police have begun patrolling the city to head off protests over the lack of heat, electricity and water.
...
Construction workers from Russia show no signs of leaving, and tents were visible outside the Port City mall until the winter. Doctors and city administrators also have come in from Russia, according to Russian government announcements and physicians who left the city after refusing to work for the occupation authorities.
...
On Nov. 15, Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded Mariupol the title of “City of Military Glory” for the heroism of people he described as its defenders. On Dec. 7, Putin said his war against Ukraine had turned the Sea of Azov into “Russia’s internal sea.”
This suits many of those who remained behind just fine. Mariupol has always had some residents who considered themselves Russian.
Russia’s occupation of Mariupol has divided families and friends into two categories: Those who stayed and those who fled. Both grapple with what Mariupol once was and will be.
When Ivan Kalinin escaped, he left behind the body of his wife Iryna and their unborn first child, both killed in the March 9 Russian airstrike on the maternity hospital. His parents and hers stayed in Mariupol.
...
Mariupol is now torn between Russia and Ukraine. Some people who stayed are waiting for Russian citizenship just to get on with their lives. Yet the Ukrainian letter ï , which is not found in Russian, is appearing as graffiti around the city — a small act of defiance in a place many described as full of fear.
...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
redtech ::
Oddelek za zgodovino: potvarjanje zgodovine?
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.co...
Oddelek za scenografijo: snemano v filmu ali prostočasna dejavnost?
https://biblicisminstitute.files.wordpr...
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.co...
Oddelek za scenografijo: snemano v filmu ali prostočasna dejavnost?
https://biblicisminstitute.files.wordpr...
lynxslo5 ::
Politiko ravnokar poroča da bo Biden kmalu zaprosil kongres za najvišji vojaški proračun v zgodovini ZDA. Razlog naj bi bil "obnovitev vojaških zalog". Trenutni vojaški proračun znaša 858 milijard. Se nebi čudil če bo šlo tole čez Trilijon.
Kje pa bodo dobili denar za najvišji vojaški proračun v zgodovini? Aja, denar si bodo spet izposodili pri največjih sovražnikih Kitajcih. Amerika ima že 31 trilijonov dolga, sedaj ga bodo pa še povečali. To je res država absurda. Cela Amerika je preplavljena z brezdomci, ki spijo v šotorih. Cestna infrasttuktira jim razpada. Železnice in šole imajo na ravni tretjega sveta. Oni bodo pa dali za vojsko trilijon denarja, ki ga nimajo.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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gozdar1 ::
Večina ameriškega dolga je domačega, torej dolžni so sami sebi(podobno kot kitajci, japonci,..). Kitajska ni niti največji tuji upnik, to je namreč japonska.
Rambutan ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
Žal rusi tega ne bodo nikoli rekli, je pa vir tujih obveščevalcev, žal zahodnih, bomo videli kaj bo iz tega. Tudi moje mnenje je, da če ne ukrenejo zdaj kaj (kar že poskušajo, z gromozanskimi izgubami), bodo na pomlad bore malo storili. Tudi info, da jih v Bahmutu še vedno držijo na distanci pove veliko. Sam šef wagnerja je rekel, da je tukaj mesoreznica.
Po pričakovanjih, Rusi uradno ne dajejo vojaških napovedi. Vse te "ruske napovedi", kot npr. v treh dneh bomo osvojili Kijev, so plod zahodne propagande. To so variacije na temo "poisoing the well", ko Rusom podtikajo nerealne napovedi, ki se seveda ne uresničijo, potem pa to izkoriščajo za zasmehovanje Rusov in jih prikazujejo kot nesposobne. Ponavadi so vir ravno anonimni obveščevalci. Ta medijska taktika je zaradi medijske amplifikacije očitno zelo učinkovita.
Zaradi skoraj popolne kontrole nad zahodnimi mediji, ki vsi navdušeno tulijo v pro ukrajinski rog, in cenzure ruskih medijev so Rusi seveda obsojeni na poraz v propagandni vojni. Isti propagandni bias se seveda uporablja tudi pri poročanju o vojaški situaciji. Nobeno naklučje ni, da je nekdo ki spremlja to vojno samo preko uradnih medijev, trdno prepričan da Ukrajina zmaguje. Zaenkrat ta narativa še uspeva, čeprav počasi že pripravljajo javnost na skorajšnji polom npr. z napovedmi ruske ofenzive. IMHO pa se bo ta narativa o uspešnem ukrajinskemu odporu dokončno zlomila do konca letošnjega poletja, ko se bo zgodil kolaps ukrajinske vojske na levem bregu Dnepra. Takrat bomo spet v isti situaciji kot pri umiku iz Afganistana, po 20 letih lažnive narative o uspešni prenovi in demokratizaciji zahod ni bil zmožen izvesti niti organiziranega umika. Takrat bo seveda čas za novega sovražnika, Kitajsko. Upam da bo takrat čimveč pro ukrajinskih podpornikov spregledalo
gozdar1 ::
Ne bodo, napovedujejo invazijo, še v tem mesecu. Verjetno jih malo skrbijo zahodne zadeve marca in so rekli zdaj ali nikoli. Kanon futra mamo dosti.
Imaš kak link kjer bi Rusi uradno napovedali ofenzivo? Ne zanimajo me zahodne napovedi ali razni Tomašiči iz ruskih NovaTV. Kar jest sledim, so ruske napovedi zelo ohlapne v stilu demilitarizacije in denacifikacije.
Žal rusi tega ne bodo nikoli rekli, je pa vir tujih obveščevalcev, žal zahodnih, bomo videli kaj bo iz tega. Tudi moje mnenje je, da če ne ukrenejo zdaj kaj (kar že poskušajo, z gromozanskimi izgubami), bodo na pomlad bore malo storili. Tudi info, da jih v Bahmutu še vedno držijo na distanci pove veliko. Sam šef wagnerja je rekel, da je tukaj mesoreznica.
Po pričakovanjih, Rusi uradno ne dajejo vojaških napovedi. Vse te "ruske napovedi", kot npr. v treh dneh bomo osvojili Kijev, so plod zahodne propagande. To so variacije na temo "poisoing the well", ko Rusom podtikajo nerealne napovedi, ki se seveda ne uresničijo, potem pa to izkoriščajo za zasmehovanje Rusov in jih prikazujejo kot nesposobne. Ponavadi so vir ravno anonimni obveščevalci. Ta medijska taktika je zaradi medijske amplifikacije očitno zelo učinkovita.
Zaradi skoraj popolne kontrole nad zahodnimi mediji, ki vsi navdušeno tulijo v pro ukrajinski rog, in cenzure ruskih medijev so Rusi seveda obsojeni na poraz v propagandni vojni. Isti propagandni bias se seveda uporablja tudi pri poročanju o vojaški situaciji. Nobeno naklučje ni, da je nekdo ki spremlja to vojno samo preko uradnih medijev, trdno prepričan da Ukrajina zmaguje. Zaenkrat ta narativa še uspeva, čeprav počasi že pripravljajo javnost na skorajšnji polom npr. z napovedmi ruske ofenzive. IMHO pa se bo ta narativa o uspešnem ukrajinskemu odporu dokončno zlomila do konca letošnjega poletja, ko se bo zgodil kolaps ukrajinske vojske na levem bregu Dnepra. Takrat bomo spet v isti situaciji kot pri umiku iz Afganistana, po 20 letih lažnive narative o uspešni prenovi in demokratizaciji zahod ni bil zmožen izvesti niti organiziranega umika. Takrat bo seveda čas za novega sovražnika, Kitajsko. Upam da bo takrat čimveč pro ukrajinskih podpornikov spregledalo
Toliko propagande kot jo sproducirajo rusi že težko najdeš. Dobesedno vsi forumi so polni plačanih trolov, yt kanali, twitter,...
Sicer pa kako se ruska mobilizacija vklaplja v narativo vse gre po planu 3 dnevna operacija je samo zahodna propaganda?
Lesoto ::
Vse te "ruske napovedi", kot npr. v treh dneh bomo osvojili Kijev, so plod zahodne propagande.
V kakšnem času pa naj bi zavzeli Kiev, če ne v treh dneh?
potem pa to izkoriščajo za zasmehovanje Rusov in jih prikazujejo kot nesposobne.
Po vsem videnem smo se prepričali, da so nesposobni. Po osmih mesecih so zavzeli Soledar s 10 tisoč prebivalci in to pribijali na najvišji zvon. To bi bil uspeh za slovensko vojsko, ne pa rusko, ki se nahaja nekaj deset KM od ruske meje.
Ponavadi so vir ravno anonimni obveščevalci.
V bistvu niso anonimni.
Zaenkrat ta narativa še uspeva, čeprav počasi že pripravljajo javnost na skorajšnji polom npr. z napovedmi ruske ofenzive.
Pravzaprav je ukrajinski GUR sporočil, da Rusi nimajo dovolj sredstev za večjo ofenzivo:
Russia does not have sufficient resources for a large-scale offensive in February - GUR
https://myc.news/en/politika/u_rf_net_d...
Kar direktno NEGIRA tvoje blodnje.
IMHO pa se bo ta narativa o uspešnem ukrajinskemu odporu dokončno zlomila do konca letošnjega poletja, ko se bo zgodil kolaps ukrajinske vojske na levem bregu Dnepra.
Kolaps Ukrajinske vojske se seveda ne bo zgodil iz čisto enostavnega razloga. Na drugi strani stoji popolnoma nesposobna ruska vojska.
Takrat bomo spet v isti situaciji kot pri umiku iz Afganistana, po 20 letih lažnive narative o uspešni prenovi in demokratizaciji zahod ni bil zmožen izvesti niti organiziranega umika. Takrat bo seveda čas za novega sovražnika, Kitajsko. Upam da bo takrat čimveč pro ukrajinskih podpornikov spregledalo
Lajnaš en kup neumnosti. Neprestano si demantiran in kar nadaljuješ.
A lahko prosim pokomentiraš $25 miljardni deficit v januarju v duhu tega, da ima Rusija na voljo rezerv vse skupaj za cca 300 miljard. Začeli so odprodajati tudi zlato.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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martincek1 ::
Po pričakovanjih, Rusi uradno ne dajejo vojaških napovedi. Vse te "ruske napovedi", kot npr. v treh dneh bomo osvojili Kijev, so plod zahodne propagande. To so variacije na temo "poisoing the well", ko Rusom podtikajo nerealne napovedi, ki se seveda ne uresničijo, potem pa to izkoriščajo za zasmehovanje Rusov in jih prikazujejo kot nesposobne.
Menda da se tudi Prigožin zaveda, da sta dve leti za zavzetje Donecka in Luganska nerealni, trajalo naj bi 5 let.
Mimogrede, tudi ko bo vojne "konec", bodo tile propagandisti na Slo-techu trdili, da je Rusija zmagala in "denacificirala" Ukrajino.
Rambutan ::
Toliko propagande kot jo sproducirajo rusi že težko najdeš. Dobesedno vsi forumi so polni plačanih trolov, yt kanali, twitter,...
Sicer pa kako se ruska mobilizacija vklaplja v narativo vse gre po planu 3 dnevna operacija je samo zahodna propaganda?
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/war-a...
Tukaj imaš opisano rusko strategijo. Na kratko, Rusi so z začetnim globokim vdorom poskusili doseči svoj cilj s pogajanji. To se ni uresničilo, zato so se umaknili in začeli drugo fazo vojne, demilitarizacijo v Donbasu. So pa vmes imeli fajn za**b, dosti ruskim poklicnim vojakom se je poleti izekla 6 mesečna pogodba, ki je proti pričakovanjem Rusov niso podaljšali, zato so imel konec poletja primanjkljaj vojakov, najbolj očitno v Kharkovu, kjer je bilo res malo ruskih vojakov. Zahodni obveščevalci so to opazili in splanirali edino res uspešno ukrajinsko ofenzivo.
Takrat so se Rusi odločili za mobilizacijo in umik iz Khersona, z skrajšanjem fronte in mobilizacijo so spet dosegli da imajo dovolj vojakov. Vsekakor so za**ali, to bi morali že prej predvideti.
gozdar1 ::
Saj razumeš, da so to imeli že od minska. Cilje je bil pač menjava oblasti, verjetno tudi pripajanje delov ukrajine in koridor do moldavije.
Torej za rusko zmago bi morali doseči glavni strateški cilj , ki je kontrola nad ukrajinsko zunanjo politiko.
Torej za rusko zmago bi morali doseči glavni strateški cilj , ki je kontrola nad ukrajinsko zunanjo politiko.
Rambutan ::
V kakšnem času pa naj bi zavzeli Kiev, če ne v treh dneh?
Nihče z ruske strani ni napovedal zavzetja Kijeva, to so zahodna podtikanja.
Pravzaprav je ukrajinski GUR sporočil, da Rusi nimajo dovolj sredstev za večjo ofenzivo:
Russia does not have sufficient resources for a large-scale offensive in February - GUR
https://myc.news/en/politika/u_rf_net_d...
Kar direktno NEGIRA tvoje blodnje.
Če boš podrobno prebral svoj link, boš lahko videl da to ne trdijo Rusi, ampak predstavnik ukrajinskih obveščevalcev. Spet ukrajinske projekcije...
Russia does not have sufficient resources to launch a large-scale offensive by the anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine on February 24. This was stated by the representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Chernyak in a commentary to the Kyiv Post, published on Saturday, February 11.
A lahko prosim pokomentiraš $25 miljardni deficit v januarju v duhu tega, da ima Rusija na voljo rezerv vse skupaj za cca 300 miljard. Začeli so odprodajati tudi zlato.
Bomo pokomentirali konec leta ko bo zaključen ruski proračun. IMF je kar optimističen za rusko gospodarstvo.
https://thebell.io/en/imf-predicts-russ...
Russia’s forecast was upgraded even more than the global figures: in October, the IMF expected a 2.3% fall in Russian GDP in 2023, now it is talking about 0.3% growth. In 2024, they believe Russia’s GDP will increase by as much as 2.1%.
Nihče z ruske strani ni napovedal zavzetja Kijeva, to so zahodna podtikanja.
Pravzaprav je ukrajinski GUR sporočil, da Rusi nimajo dovolj sredstev za večjo ofenzivo:
Russia does not have sufficient resources for a large-scale offensive in February - GUR
https://myc.news/en/politika/u_rf_net_d...
Kar direktno NEGIRA tvoje blodnje.
Če boš podrobno prebral svoj link, boš lahko videl da to ne trdijo Rusi, ampak predstavnik ukrajinskih obveščevalcev. Spet ukrajinske projekcije...
Russia does not have sufficient resources to launch a large-scale offensive by the anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine on February 24. This was stated by the representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Chernyak in a commentary to the Kyiv Post, published on Saturday, February 11.
A lahko prosim pokomentiraš $25 miljardni deficit v januarju v duhu tega, da ima Rusija na voljo rezerv vse skupaj za cca 300 miljard. Začeli so odprodajati tudi zlato.
Bomo pokomentirali konec leta ko bo zaključen ruski proračun. IMF je kar optimističen za rusko gospodarstvo.
https://thebell.io/en/imf-predicts-russ...
Russia’s forecast was upgraded even more than the global figures: in October, the IMF expected a 2.3% fall in Russian GDP in 2023, now it is talking about 0.3% growth. In 2024, they believe Russia’s GDP will increase by as much as 2.1%.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Rambutan ()