Tesla 3

EDIT:
Preletel še originalni "FUD" članek.

The representative also said the number of labor hours per Model 3 produced had decreased by almost 30% since last quarter.

Proti trditvi, da je _SAMO_ tistih 4.300 napak prispevalo k 30% manjši porabi časa pri sestavi.

Poleg tega, je opcija, da je napak manj in to povzroča časovne prihranke, ker ni potrebne dodatne obdelave po proizvodnji.

Torej, cleantechnica ostaja navaden spin, razen če Teslarijanci ne dokažete drugače, saj veš, z citati in dokumenti, tako nekako kot ona druga "FUD" stran ...

Drugače pa naj še ene dvakrat, trikrat zmanjšajo časovno porabo za 30%.
Bo en človek v pol ure sestavil 100 tesel.
To bo optimizarno.
Limited by air friction ...
_{posnetki tovarne pa izgledajo "sportski lagano", z izredno počasno linijo}

Ganon je 22. avg 2018 ob 15:43 izjavil:

Gregor P je 22. avg 2018 ob 15:17 izjavil:

Kaj pa vem, EV so se serijsko prodajala tudi že prej.

Utk vidi samo Teslo, ne jemlji ga resno. Sploh ne ve, kaj ponuja konkurenca.

Resno? So se ja, ampak kateri in kaksni in koliko? Noben ni vreden, da bi se ga danes se spomnili.

Povprečna prodajna cena Modela 3 je 59 000 $. Bogi Warpy

https://insideevs.com/asp-tesla-model-3...

Here is my Tesla/Model 3 experience up to 2000 miles.

This pains me to write as a self described Tesla fanboy, but it's my painful experience that others and Tesla need to be aware of.

Since pre-delivery, my entire experience with Tesla has been what I would rate as horrible.

My wife and I were so excited for our delivery day, but it turned out to be a nightmare. We felt more like a heard of cows being ushered to our vehicles than valuable new customers. Worse off, the vehicle we were given was damaged and needed immediate repair.

Summing up the delivery 'experience':
- 'Group delivery' was awkward and unnecessary for two people.
- Forced to sign documents next to a stranger before ever seeing the car I'm agreeing to purchase
- After car demo on other cars, we expected our cars to be pulled into the empty showroom bay as it was 116-118 degree that day. Instead, we were led OUTSIDE in the direct sun to look over our new car.
- Tesla rep left us sitting in the blazing direct sun to look over the vehicle. When problems were discovered. I couldn't find a rep and was told to not walk through the demo room.

Problems with our 'new' model 3 at delivery:
- Damage to passenger A-pillar. (huge dent)
- Chip in wood dash
- damage to mirror
- Big stain in driver cloth a pillar
- Headlights not equally aligned
- Hood/Fronk gap seems excessive and inconsistent with other model 3's seen on the lot
- Car was dirty. Couldn't tell paint damage from grease marks
- Rear driver side seat has a fold in the material unless rest of seats
- Rear passenger side door trim looks sloppy and sticks out
- ENTIRE front bumper looks like it came off a completely different vehicle! Paint is not same, different texture entirely.

Since that miserable experience at Temple location at delivery, we went to the Scottsdale location instead for repairs.

Repairs were made and the car and pick up went fine. They addressed most things mentioned. Exceptions were too much wind noise and the fronk gap. I wasn't happy about the filthy chrystler 300 they put in me, but oh well. Was told to Tesla loaners for model 3 owners. I offered to pay to rent an S and they said no.

I schedule another appointment for last week to finalize a laundry list of issues from delivery and new issues. One item I put at a reason for my appointment was to replace the front speaker cloth as it got damaged. This was a week prior to the appointment.

This time I mentally lowered my expectations for the experience and accepted I wouldn't get a Tesla as a loaner. I described many of the issues to the tech and went to get my rental. This time, the same lady lead me out to a KIA mini-van. I told her this experience just keeps getting worse and she just said sorry.

Then, I get a message that the speaker cloth piece needed would need to be special ordered and would not be able to get installed this time! This is a two hour round trip for me to drop off my vehicle and the LAST thing I wanted to do was go through this experience again, so went back in to find out if this was correct. It was so I told them I'll just reschedule when they can get it all done in one shot.

There was no attempt to see if the part could be expedited, no sorry for wasting your time. They let me drive off with my Model 3 that I had just complained about potential safety issues at high speeds.

Here are my current issues:
- Front bumper paint & sensors do not match metal paint and look like crap. The texture is entirely different.
- Other minor paint blemishes noted in the paint. Paint job generally appears to be poor quality and soft.
- Rear passenger side door seal and passenger door seal not properly set and looks like crap
- Road noise on certain roads not typically loud seems excessively loud.
- Stereo has static when changing songs randomly
- Dash speaker grill/cloth needs replacement
- Rear driver side seat has a pleat in it unlike the rest of the car
- 75+ MPH the vehicle gives an odd unstable feel at times.
- BOTH side mirrors adhesive falling off vehicle
- Scuff driver side door interior part
- Clicking noise from steering wheel at random
- Interior rattles throughout
- Front windshield doesn't feel properly sealed

This purchase has been a huge regret due to build quality control and poor service. All these car issues should have been identified prior to me taking possession. I have almost zero faith in this vehicle long term given the poor QC and build quality so far.

To date, I have heard from NO ONE at Tesla within a leadership capacity despite my emails/survey and host of issues. Nothing.

Photos: https://1drv.ms/a/s!AqK00MPQYx3cgYZWsfk5-nxAmlp8IA

Lekcija, kako z disruptivnim nategovanjem z defektnim izdelkom zakockati celo praktično neomejeno vero navdušencev.

Juha z muho, kot pričakovano.
(Spredaj pa že sedaj zgleda kot en beden prototip iz poznih 90 ih. Kaj šele, ko ga bodo imeli plačniki v čakalni vrsti do leta 2030, ko je že sedaj zgelda zastarel za 10 let).

V šotoru ga verjetno nimajo.
Da to vse doživiš pri nakupu avta za 60k€ mora biti pa epic.

Kebo je 4. sep 2018 ob 09:17 izjavil:

pero50 je 4. sep 2018 ob 09:11 izjavil:

1000 avtov dnevno pa le proizvedejo ... ups. Polizdelkov.

Imajo sploh quality control?

Musk v vsakega 100 brcne, če nič ne pade stran je dober. :) Tile avti so v bistvu en velik puf, denar dobijo zdaj, garancijski zahtevki pridejo pa čez par let.

Ne 100 brc, ampak 100 čelnih udarcev :P

Za referenco: https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-...

During a tour this spring at Tesla Inc.’s electric-car factory in Fremont, Calif., Elon Musk asked why the assembly line had stopped. Managers said automatic safety sensors halted the line whenever people got in the way.

Mr. Musk became angry, according to people familiar with what happened. His high-profile gamble on mass-producing electric cars had lagged behind since production began, and here was one more frustration. The billionaire entrepreneur began head-butting the front end of a car on the assembly line.

“I don’t see how this could hurt me,” he said of vehicles on the slow-speed line. “I want the cars to just keep moving.”

When a senior engineering manager involved with the system explained that it was a safety measure, Mr. Musk told him, “Get out!” Tesla said the manager was fired for other reasons.

do evrope in warpija verjetno sploh ne bo prišla.

Machete je 4. sep 2018 ob 08:54 izjavil:

Spredaj pa že sedaj zgleda kot en beden prototip iz poznih 90 ih. Kaj šele, ko ga bodo imeli plačniki v čakalni vrsti do leta 2030, ko je že sedaj zgelda zastarel za 10 let.

... ta še danes boljše izgleda od te Tesle

Ko jih bodo štancali kot Ford Model T se pa ponovno oglasi.

Resno, kaj bo meni Mercedes za 70k €? Res da Tesla tudi še ni poceni, ampak v tem pogledu so še vedno v prednosti. Pred 7 leti sem kupil rabljenega Priusa za 18k €, zgleda da ga bom zvozil dokler kolesa ne padejo stran.

Bova videla kako bo čez 3 leta, imel boš ogromno srečo če boš rabljenega EQC v Sloveniji sploh dobil, kaj šele da bi bila cena 25k€.

Za zabavo, dobi poceni rabljeno "spako" od BMW i3, 3 leta stari se prodajajo za 25k €, pa je nov 35k € in ne 70k €.

Jasno da za novega gledam ceno za katero ga Janez lahko kupi, torej s popustom in subvencijo. Subvencije za EV so kar stalnica že nekaj let, če jih ukinejo se bodo cene rabljenih EV držale še bolje kot sedaj. Torej tudi pri ceni rabljenih trenutna subvencija na nova vozila igra svojo vlogo, ne mislit da to ni res.

Razumem šotor meme, hejtanje firme in razočaranje nad quality control itd, ampak avto po videzu (notranjost in zunanjost) se mi zdi odličen. Ne vem no. Slovenci preveč fini za to?

Avto je odličen, dokler je pod garancijo in dokler imaš zelo blizu njihov servis in ne katerikoli servis!, potem pa se stvar konča. So jih že dovolj prodali, da imaš polno odzivov s strani kupcev na internetu.

Še vedno ne razumem, zakaj so šli s klasično obliko in niso razvili česa bolj praktičnega. Med drugim zadevanje vrat v stene in druga vozila ostaja stalnica, da ne omenjam številnih slepih kotov. Pa toliko denarja so vrgli v razvoj...

Tody je 5. sep 2018 ob 17:43 izjavil:

Seveda da so, ker si ga nikoli ne bodo mogli privoščiti. Obrambni mehanizem pac

Nagradno vprašanje, si ga ti lahko?

Eni smo dali že kaj dražjega pod rit. Glede na videno pri konkurenci... ej, ma ni variante da za Model 3 skeširam tist dnar k ga zahtevajo.

Sploh če pomislim koliko neželenih kompromisov bo treba sprejet. Tista ekologija... je pa sam na papirju veljavna. To smo že obdelali. Če se za vsak ku*ac vozš z avtom, tud slče je to 300m do štacune ti je še tako učinkovit avto đabe.

Jaz kljub temu da vozim dizla z enormno kubikažo... še vedno glede na rabo vozila in pogostega posluževanja kolesa, kot tudi javnega prevoza lahko mirne duše rečem da sem bolj okoljsko zaveden kot kvazi prius efekt grinpissovci.

Pokaži mi notranjost, ki je podobna model 3. Mogoče ni praktično in touchscreen ni udobno upravljati med vožnjo, ampak je definitivno unique. Oni furajo mentality da ne rabiš gumbov, ker se bo avto furov na avtopilotu in boš imel dovolj časa se s tistim touchscreenom igrat. Za ameriške ceste, kjer je večina cest interstate, je avtopilot accurate, ker imaš 10 pasov, 100 kmh omejitev in nobenga ne zanima na katerem pasu si. Tudi avtomatski lane change je v evropi useless. Za evropo, kjer moraš pa volan dejansko obračat, je pa mal drugače.

Ena stvar drži. Proizvodnjo so vsaj kvantitativno spravili v red.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-sal...

By our estimations, Tesla sold an epic 17,800 Model 3s in August. Shocked? Of course, that's the highest ever for sales of a single plug-in electric car in any month, beating the old mark set by the...Model 3.

To so za Ameriko kar velike številke.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-out...

Nikec3 je 5. sep 2018 ob 23:12 izjavil:

Ena stvar drži. Proizvodnjo so vsaj kvantitativno spravili v red.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-sal...

By our estimations, Tesla sold an epic 17,800 Model 3s in August. Shocked? Of course, that's the highest ever for sales of a single plug-in electric car in any month, beating the old mark set by the...Model 3.

To so za Ameriko kar velike številke.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-out...

Praznujejo kot da je novo leto. do 400.000 avtov letos imajo še trnovo pot.

Ni jih malo, ki so trdili, da modela 3 bmw ne bo obcutil. Ce gledas po modelih, je prodaja padla tocno tistim okoli katerih se vrti model 3.
Sicer sem to napovedal pred enim mesecom:
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t670459/p600...

Zanimivo kako nekateri niti v zivo ne vidijo stvari, ki se dogajajo, ali pa vidijo in ne morejo verjet.

Iz njihove uradne strani, iz edinega trga, kjer se prodaja model 3.

August 2018 August 2017 %YTD 2018 YTD 2017 %
BMW passenger cars 14,450 16,708 -13.5% 127,467 127,510 0%

Lahko vtakneš glavo v pesek in rečeš, da je to naključje, ampak do konca leta bo še veliko takih mesecev in slej ko prej se bo treba sprijaznit z realnostjo.

Pa tudi BMW 1er bo mel prenovo.

Pa kaj je zdaj res? Eni pravijo, da ima rekordno prodajo, drugi da neke podatke, ki kažejo na cca. -30% vpad prodaje?!?

Torej ti predlagaš, da BMW opusti vse svoje modele in gre zaradi Tesle, ki mu na nekje na svetu zažira prodajo, full electric? In to kljub rekordni prodaji svojih "zastarelih" modelov? Sej imajo svoje EVje, ki se v EU veliko bolje prodajajo od Tesle. Kaj bi sploh rad? A misliš, da nimajo na lagarju en kup načrtov za nove EVje, če bi bilo potrebno??? Večina podjetij deluje za dobiček in ne za svetovno "dominacijo"....

Magic1 je 6. sep 2018 ob 09:50 izjavil:

Torej ti predlagaš, da BMW opusti vse svoje modele in gre zaradi Tesle, ki mu na nekje na svetu zažira prodajo, full electric? In to kljub rekordni prodaji svojih "zastarelih" modelov? Sej imajo svoje EVje, ki se v EU veliko bolje prodajajo od Tesle. Kaj bi sploh rad? A misliš, da nimajo na lagarju en kup načrtov za nove EVje, če bi bilo potrebno??? Večina podjetij deluje za dobiček in ne za svetovno "dominacijo"....

Sej to je jasno. Zato pa pravimo nekateri, da so stari proizvajalci v tezkem polozaju in da bo marsikoga elektrika zjebala. Ne bo propadel vsak, bo pa en cas v krizi. Amerika ni nek nepomemben trg, kaj bo ko bo isto se na Kitajskem, v Evropi najbrz nazadnje.
Bmw seveda lahko naredi top shit elektro limuzino v rangu tesle, ampak potem lahko ukine 3,4 svoje ostale modele. In vrze kup denarja skozi okno. Ce tega ne naredi kmalu, bo pa izgubljal kupce. In to take z denarjem, ki si bojo zapomnili kdo vodi in kdo sledi. To je pa pri avtih za 50 in vec jurjev bistveno.