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Serija: Making a Murderer - spoiler contaminated
WallSreet ::
Ker sem veliko govoril o tej seriji oziroma dokumentarcu že v temi TV Serije sem se odločil, da odprem temo kjer bomo lahko govorili samo o tem primeru. Naj opozorim, da če kdo želi napisati komentar in vsebuje spoiler naj to prej napiše oziroma naj svoje mnenje zatemni da ne bo pokvaril celotnega dokumentarca drugim uporabnikom. V temi se pogovarjamo o vsem kar je povezano s primerom in seveda tudi o sami seriji...
Sam priporočam ogled vsem, ki jih zanimajo tovrstne teme. Celotna serija je zelo zanimiva in te povleče notri že od samega začetka podobno kot recimo Breaking Bad ali pa The Wire (čeprav se teh stvari sploh ne da primerjati)
Torej če kdo želi gledati in sodelovati v temi:
Trailer:
Imdb ocena: 9.3
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5189670/
Še enkrat: Če bo kdo karkoli spoilov naj druge uporabnike pred tem opozori oziroma naj zatemni besedilo...
Sam priporočam ogled vsem, ki jih zanimajo tovrstne teme. Celotna serija je zelo zanimiva in te povleče notri že od samega začetka podobno kot recimo Breaking Bad ali pa The Wire (čeprav se teh stvari sploh ne da primerjati)
Torej če kdo želi gledati in sodelovati v temi:
Trailer:
Imdb ocena: 9.3
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5189670/
Še enkrat: Če bo kdo karkoli spoilov naj druge uporabnike pred tem opozori oziroma naj zatemni besedilo...
WallSreet ::
M-Power
To sem se tudi sam vprašal ko sem pogledal prvi del :)
Cela sezona je o enem primeru...
To sem se tudi sam vprašal ko sem pogledal prvi del :)
Cela sezona je o enem primeru...
WallSreet ::
Jaz sem zasledil eno izjemno teorijo. Nekdo je na youtubu napisal kako se je po njegovem mnenju vse skupaj odvilo in moram rečt da me je komentar zelo presenetil in se mi zdi dokaj realen.
Možni spoiler!
This is a theory I saw on a Youtube comment and I had to share it..
"The police didn't kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Coborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on Oct.31st Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property... freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Coborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he "calls" in the plate number to dispatch. Coborn has to "call" in... instead of "radio" in... the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn't in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the "field' on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Coborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4... 2 days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm.... This is problematic for Coborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Coborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically STFU about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Coborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Coborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Coborn's calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Coborn to remove the license plate from Halbach's car and then report to him immediately.
What James Lenk and Andrew Coborn, or the others for that matter, don't realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo Rd on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach's car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych's idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery's burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach's cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach's cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find... but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach's cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery's burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach's cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Coborn are now involved and in play with their scheme. .........By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Coborn regarding the RAV4, ....and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn't aware of the other's involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach's RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.
None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated... everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn't fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn't conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right... Imagine Scott Tadych's confused and utter relief when Steve Avery's blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery's bedroom..... he must have been like.... WTF?! A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach's murder.... "THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN" ..... We will see Scott, we will see....................."
This is probably the most credible theory I have come across so far. Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary i.e how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey's bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery.
I can't see another theory topping this one personally."
Zanimivo je brati in gledati kako ljudje povezujejo koščke in skušajo ugotoviti kaj se je zares zgodilo tistega dne.
Možni spoiler!
This is a theory I saw on a Youtube comment and I had to share it..
"The police didn't kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Coborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on Oct.31st Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property... freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Coborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he "calls" in the plate number to dispatch. Coborn has to "call" in... instead of "radio" in... the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn't in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the "field' on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Coborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4... 2 days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm.... This is problematic for Coborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Coborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically STFU about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Coborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Coborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Coborn's calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Coborn to remove the license plate from Halbach's car and then report to him immediately.
What James Lenk and Andrew Coborn, or the others for that matter, don't realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo Rd on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach's car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych's idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery's burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach's cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach's cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find... but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach's cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery's burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach's cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Coborn are now involved and in play with their scheme. .........By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Coborn regarding the RAV4, ....and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn't aware of the other's involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach's RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.
None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated... everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn't fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn't conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right... Imagine Scott Tadych's confused and utter relief when Steve Avery's blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery's bedroom..... he must have been like.... WTF?! A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach's murder.... "THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN" ..... We will see Scott, we will see....................."
This is probably the most credible theory I have come across so far. Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary i.e how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey's bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery.
I can't see another theory topping this one personally."
Zanimivo je brati in gledati kako ljudje povezujejo koščke in skušajo ugotoviti kaj se je zares zgodilo tistega dne.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Qcube ::
Ja, to teorijo sem videl na redditu in je super. Sicer so tudi drugi možni kandidati ampak po toliko letih kot je že mimo je težko dobiti nove dokaze in je možno da ostane v zaporu for life tudi če je nedolžen, razen če ga kdo pomilosti.
Najbolj čudno je da je imel tisto vreznino na prstu, točno ob pravem času na pravem mestu, hmmm... Ta človek ni imel sreče, če je bilo res slučajno.
Najbolj čudno je da je imel tisto vreznino na prstu, točno ob pravem času na pravem mestu, hmmm... Ta človek ni imel sreče, če je bilo res slučajno.
WallSreet ::
Ja kot je rekel Dean Strang (odvetnik SA) da mu bodo težko ponovno sodili oziroma, da lahko pride do novega sojenja zgolj v primeru da najdejo nove dokaza kar pa bo tako kot si napisal zgoraj težko, ker se je vse skupaj odvijalo 10 let nazaj.
Res tista vreznino je bila tam kot nalašč. Čeprav glede na to kje je delal to sploh ni tako sporno. Vreznino je lahko dobil recimo pri popravilu avta.
Res tista vreznino je bila tam kot nalašč. Čeprav glede na to kje je delal to sploh ni tako sporno. Vreznino je lahko dobil recimo pri popravilu avta.
IL_DIAVOLO ::
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
IL_DIAVOLO ::
Mogoce tebi
Preberi si ta clanek za drugo plat zgodbe:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-new...
Povsem mozno, da je bil po krivem 18 let v zaporu, ampak ocitno je da je ubil tereso halbach.
Preberi si ta clanek za drugo plat zgodbe:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-new...
Povsem mozno, da je bil po krivem 18 let v zaporu, ampak ocitno je da je ubil tereso halbach.
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WallSreet ::
Ta link ki si mi ga zalepil sem že videl. Nancy Grace je smešna in je sploh nima smisla resno obravnavati. To ali jo je ali ni ubil ne vemo. Dejstvo je da je bilo sojenje nepošteno in pika.
Povsem možno da je bil po krivem 18 let v zaporu
Hah itak da je bil po krivem kaj tu ni jasno?
Povsem možno da je bil po krivem 18 let v zaporu
Hah itak da je bil po krivem kaj tu ni jasno?
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IL_DIAVOLO ::
Ta link ki si mi ga zalepil sem že videl. Nancy Grace je smešna in je sploh nima smisla resno obravnavati. To ali jo je ali ni ubil ne vemo. Dejstvo je da je bilo sojenje nepošteno in pika.
Povsem možno da je bil po krivem 18 let v zaporu
Hah itak da je bil po krivem kaj tu ni jasno?
Tebi marsikaj ni jasno
V dokumentarcu sta 2 primera, primer iz leta 1985, za katerega ni bil kriv in za primer leta 2005, ki je bil po mojem kriv. Sploh pa je dokumentarec zelo pristranski in ne pokaže celotne slike oz. je njihov glavni cilj srat po policiji in sodnem sistemu, ki je že tako in tako na udaru.
Sojenje pa je itak vedno nepošteno, če pokažeš svojo plat zgodbe.
Braniš morilca btw
WallSreet ::
Smešen si
ki je bil po mojem kriv
aja po tvojem Drugače si že pogledal do konca? Kajti včeraj si napisal da si pogledal 4 dele danes pa kljub temu da verjetno še nisi pogledal do konca delaš neke zaključke oziroma sodiš po 4 delih? Imam občutek da sploh nisi pogledal in samo smetiš.
Drugače pa je odvetnik Dean Strang v intervjuju nekaj dni nazaj rekel, da so v dokumentarcu predstavljeni ključni dokazi iz obeh strani! In da so tisti glavni razlogi oziroma dokazi v dokumentarcu predstavljeni.
IL_DIAVOLO
Braniš morilca btw
Boš ti povedal
ki je bil po mojem kriv
aja po tvojem Drugače si že pogledal do konca? Kajti včeraj si napisal da si pogledal 4 dele danes pa kljub temu da verjetno še nisi pogledal do konca delaš neke zaključke oziroma sodiš po 4 delih? Imam občutek da sploh nisi pogledal in samo smetiš.
Drugače pa je odvetnik Dean Strang v intervjuju nekaj dni nazaj rekel, da so v dokumentarcu predstavljeni ključni dokazi iz obeh strani! In da so tisti glavni razlogi oziroma dokazi v dokumentarcu predstavljeni.
IL_DIAVOLO
Braniš morilca btw
Boš ti povedal
JebatGa ::
Sploh ni važno ali je Avery kriv ali ne. Dokumentarec hoče pokazati, kako pristransko so mu sodili. Policaji lažejo pod prisego, odvetniki ne smejo niti pokazat na nobenega mogočega drugega krivca, glavni tožilec je na novinarski konferenci pred sojenjem prikazal neko zgodbo, ki se po dokazih sploh ni mogla zgodit in tako uničil za možnost mnogo porotnikov. V poroti so bili sorodniki policistov, takoj po koncu sojenja je bilo 7 porotnikov za to da je avery nekriv 3 kriv in 2 neodločena, ampak nekako so po nekaj dneh bili za to da je Avery kriv. Marsikdo meni, da je bil nad njimi izvajan nekakšen pritisk. Potem tisto prisilno priznanje krivde od njegovega nečaka. In če berete druge forume, je tega še ogromno.
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WallSreet ::
JebatGa
+1
Lepo si objasnil @IL_DIAVOLO
Drugič bi samo prosil da oznalič prej Spoiler! Recimo tako kot jaz zgoraj. Da drugi uporabniki vedo. Drugače pa dober komentar.
+1
Lepo si objasnil @IL_DIAVOLO
Drugič bi samo prosil da oznalič prej Spoiler! Recimo tako kot jaz zgoraj. Da drugi uporabniki vedo. Drugače pa dober komentar.
JebatGa ::
c3p0 ::
SPOILERS
Po ogledu bi rekel, da ni kriv. Epruveta z luknjico, njena kri ni bila najdena nikjer v trailerju, kar postavi popolnoma na laž nečakovo pripoved (kateri je itak bil zaveden v priznanje). Potem ključ toyote najden komaj v 5. (?) preiskavi. Manitowoc policaji, ki so se kao distancirali od primera, v resnici pa bili vedno prisotni pri vseh ključnih dokazih. Ogromno časa za evidence planting. Dodajmo še motiv, težak 36M$.
Nizek IQ vpletenih nikomur ne pomaga, razen policiji. Zakaj bi le z vejami pokril avto in ga ne bi prej vsaj zažgal, na odpadu je priročno tudi hidravlična preša. Mokre sanje vsakega, ki se želi rešiti dokaza. Nečak sicer ima IQ sobne rastline, ampak Steve bi vsaj to zmogel.
EDIT: pa seveda registrska tablica in kako je Coburn vedel, kateremu avtu pripada. Možna je YT teorija, ampak če drži, mora Avery pač iz zapora.
Po ogledu bi rekel, da ni kriv. Epruveta z luknjico, njena kri ni bila najdena nikjer v trailerju, kar postavi popolnoma na laž nečakovo pripoved (kateri je itak bil zaveden v priznanje). Potem ključ toyote najden komaj v 5. (?) preiskavi. Manitowoc policaji, ki so se kao distancirali od primera, v resnici pa bili vedno prisotni pri vseh ključnih dokazih. Ogromno časa za evidence planting. Dodajmo še motiv, težak 36M$.
Nizek IQ vpletenih nikomur ne pomaga, razen policiji. Zakaj bi le z vejami pokril avto in ga ne bi prej vsaj zažgal, na odpadu je priročno tudi hidravlična preša. Mokre sanje vsakega, ki se želi rešiti dokaza. Nečak sicer ima IQ sobne rastline, ampak Steve bi vsaj to zmogel.
EDIT: pa seveda registrska tablica in kako je Coburn vedel, kateremu avtu pripada. Možna je YT teorija, ampak če drži, mora Avery pač iz zapora.
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oo7 ::
Making a Murderer: pred kamerami seciran pravosodni sistem ZDA
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
facepalm ::
Warning! SPOILER! (cel post) :)
well, ce pravosodni system v ZDA deluje po principu "innocent until proven guilty", potem Avery sploh nebi smel videti zapora.
Kar so dokazali je le to, da je nekdo ubil in zazgal go. Halbach, ter postavil avto, kljuce, metek in ostanke trupla na posest Averyjev.
Edini dokaz, ki povezuje Averyja z umorom je Averyjeva kri v vozilu. Ta dokaz bi pa morali izpodbiti ker:
1. luknjice v epruveti
2. kri na armaturni a na kljucu pa ne (itak bi ga izvlekel z isto roko in 99% bi ga prijel s tistim poskodovanim prstom)
Ce pa omenjamo vprasljive dokaze in izjave pa je spisek zelo dolg (se sam se jih verjetno polovico nebi spomnil). Ko sem pa videl interview z necakom, ko je podal izjavo sem si takoj predstavljal otroka, kateri stoji pred uciteljico in ugiba pravi odgovor zato, da ne dobi cveka. Par epizod kasneje so to izjavo tudi tako obrazlozili.
Sam ne recem, da ni kriv ampak dokazov, ki bi to potrjevali ni.
Lahko je tudi cisto druga oseba, kot ga prikazujejo v seriji. Lahko, da se je izzivljal nad partnerko, lahko je tudi moril vsepovprek, ampak v tem primeru ni nic dokazano. Tako da zame je innocent until proven guilty.
Edit:
Kako bi izgledalo, ce bi Avery tozil policaje iz Manitowoca zaradi podtikanja dokazov? Je to v pravosodnem sistemu sploh mogoce glede na to, da je bil obsojen)?
The way I see it, ce bi v tozbi dokazal, da so mu podtaknili vsaj 1 dokaz, bi mu morali prejsnjo sodbo razveljaviti?
well, ce pravosodni system v ZDA deluje po principu "innocent until proven guilty", potem Avery sploh nebi smel videti zapora.
Kar so dokazali je le to, da je nekdo ubil in zazgal go. Halbach, ter postavil avto, kljuce, metek in ostanke trupla na posest Averyjev.
Edini dokaz, ki povezuje Averyja z umorom je Averyjeva kri v vozilu. Ta dokaz bi pa morali izpodbiti ker:
1. luknjice v epruveti
2. kri na armaturni a na kljucu pa ne (itak bi ga izvlekel z isto roko in 99% bi ga prijel s tistim poskodovanim prstom)
Ce pa omenjamo vprasljive dokaze in izjave pa je spisek zelo dolg (se sam se jih verjetno polovico nebi spomnil). Ko sem pa videl interview z necakom, ko je podal izjavo sem si takoj predstavljal otroka, kateri stoji pred uciteljico in ugiba pravi odgovor zato, da ne dobi cveka. Par epizod kasneje so to izjavo tudi tako obrazlozili.
Sam ne recem, da ni kriv ampak dokazov, ki bi to potrjevali ni.
Lahko je tudi cisto druga oseba, kot ga prikazujejo v seriji. Lahko, da se je izzivljal nad partnerko, lahko je tudi moril vsepovprek, ampak v tem primeru ni nic dokazano. Tako da zame je innocent until proven guilty.
Edit:
Kako bi izgledalo, ce bi Avery tozil policaje iz Manitowoca zaradi podtikanja dokazov? Je to v pravosodnem sistemu sploh mogoce glede na to, da je bil obsojen)?
The way I see it, ce bi v tozbi dokazal, da so mu podtaknili vsaj 1 dokaz, bi mu morali prejsnjo sodbo razveljaviti?
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WallSreet ::
Making a Murderer: pred kamerami seciran pravosodni sistem ZDA
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Sem ravno želel zalepiti link :)
Sago
Potem ključ toyote najden komaj v 5. (?) preiskavi.
V 7 če smo bolj natančni
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WallSreet ::
Sem prav vesel za tisti zgornji članek rtv-ja. Upam, da bodo ljudje pogledali dokumentarec. Res zanimiva zadeva...
connel ::
Q&A s producenti serije na twitterju + še par zanimivih opazk, kar se prej ni videlo.
Celotna vprašanja/odgovori so na njihovem twitter računu.
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/10163...
Celotna vprašanja/odgovori so na njihovem twitter računu.
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/10163...
WallSreet ::
Q&A s producenti serije na twitterju + še par zanimivih opazk, kar se prej ni videlo.
Celotna vprašanja/odgovori so na njihovem twitter računu.
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/10163...
hvala :)
Gremo brat...
WallSreet ::
Še ena zanimiva teorija, čeprav res dvomim da bi bilo možno...
Zelo zanimivo predvsem pri 9:02!
Še članek
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/cold-...
Pa še eno zelo zanimivo odkritje:
Ljudje raziskujejo :)
Zelo zanimivo predvsem pri 9:02!
Še članek
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/cold-...
Pa še eno zelo zanimivo odkritje:
Ljudje raziskujejo :)
Jst ::
Jaz imam še dva dela za pogledati. Sedaj sem pogledal del, v katerem porota obsodi Stevena.
In imam mixed feelings o seriji. Po mojem mnenju so jo začeli delati z namenom, da ga prikažejo kot nedolžnega. Samo za ratinge, saj so v USA takšne serije zelo popularne. Vse slabe stvari so downplay-ali tako, da so jih samo omenili.
Steven Avery je en grozen nasilen človek; Judy tudi ni (bila) nek zgleden državljan. Ampak vseeno v mojih očeh kako so predstavili dokaze, je vse skupaj ena velika zmešnjava.
In imam mixed feelings o seriji. Po mojem mnenju so jo začeli delati z namenom, da ga prikažejo kot nedolžnega. Samo za ratinge, saj so v USA takšne serije zelo popularne. Vse slabe stvari so downplay-ali tako, da so jih samo omenili.
Steven Avery je en grozen nasilen človek; Judy tudi ni (bila) nek zgleden državljan. Ampak vseeno v mojih očeh kako so predstavili dokaze, je vse skupaj ena velika zmešnjava.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
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-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
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WallSreet ::
'Making a Murderer' Gets New Episodes on Netflix
The new installments will take fans of the documentary series back inside the story of convicted murderer Steven Avery, and his co-defendant, Brendan Dassey, as their respective investigative and legal teams challenge their convictions and the State fights to have the convictions and life sentences upheld. This next chapter will provide an in-depth look at the high-stakes post-conviction process, as well as the emotional toll the process takes on all involved. Executive producers and co-directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos are once again helming the project, with an exact episode count and premiere date for Season 2 yet to be announced.
http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/ma...
Zanimivo...
The new installments will take fans of the documentary series back inside the story of convicted murderer Steven Avery, and his co-defendant, Brendan Dassey, as their respective investigative and legal teams challenge their convictions and the State fights to have the convictions and life sentences upheld. This next chapter will provide an in-depth look at the high-stakes post-conviction process, as well as the emotional toll the process takes on all involved. Executive producers and co-directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos are once again helming the project, with an exact episode count and premiere date for Season 2 yet to be announced.
http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/ma...
Zanimivo...
WallSreet ::
Making a Murderer: Dasseyjevo obsodbo zaradi umora razveljavili
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
Jst ::
Averyja pa kar naj pustijo pod ključem. V tej "doku" seriji niso povedali vseh stvari in so snemali tako, da so ga predstavili v najboljši luči in čimbolj normalnega. Kar je daleč od resnice.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
IL_DIAVOLO ::
Making a Murderer: Dasseyjevo obsodbo zaradi umora razveljavili
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
Oblasti v Wisconsinu, vpletene v primer, so deseturno dokumentarno serijo označile za pristransko.
Evo lulika
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Jst ::
enlighten us?
Preberi si malo o teh dveh ustvarjalcih in zakaj nekateri niso hoteli sodelovati. (Zato, ker so šli v projekt pristransko, z namenom, da prikažejo sodni sistem v najslabši možni luči. Kar se prodaja in netflix potrebuje $$$.)
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
WallSreet ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Making a Murderer: Dasseyjevo obsodbo zaradi umora razveljavili
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
Oblasti v Wisconsinu, vpletene v primer, so deseturno dokumentarno serijo označile za pristransko.
Evo lulika
LOl važno da so malega oprostili. Ti si nabijal kako so vsi krivi kar pa seveda ni res. Z drugimi besedami fasal si ga v usta
D3m ::
enlighten us?
Preberi si malo o teh dveh ustvarjalcih in zakaj nekateri niso hoteli sodelovati. (Zato, ker so šli v projekt pristransko, z namenom, da prikažejo sodni sistem v najslabši možni luči. Kar se prodaja in netflix potrebuje $$$.)
Povej to malemu, ki so ga zdaj oprostili.
Če bi bil ti na njegovem mestu bi molil bogu, da bi ti kdo pomagal.
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IL_DIAVOLO ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Making a Murderer: Dasseyjevo obsodbo zaradi umora razveljavili
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
Oblasti v Wisconsinu, vpletene v primer, so deseturno dokumentarno serijo označile za pristransko.
Evo lulika
LOl važno da so malega oprostili. Ti si nabijal kako so vsi krivi kar pa seveda ni res. Z drugimi besedami fasal si ga v usta
Nikoli nisem rekel da je mali kriv, pac je mentalno zaostal in se ga da z lahkoto zmanipulirat. Pristranskost serije mi je dala taksen obcutek, da hocejo prikazat averya v najboljsi luci, sodstvo pa oblatit. Ne izkljucujem da je bil pod pritiskom averya.
Ti pa glumis in branis morilca kot da poznas vsa dejstva. Pac nasedas fintam ki se prodajajo.
Tvoje obnasanje pa kaze razgledanost in dojemanje klasicne manipulacije medijev z javnostjo.
Avery je lahko oproscen, ampak ne bo spremenilo mojih pogledov na ta primer. Sem videl veliko primerov, ki so klonili zaradi pritiska javnosti, ki drugace ne bi. Opraviceno ali neopraviceno.
Se nadejam malo bolj kulturnega obnasanja. Ce ne zaradi sebe, pa zaradi ostalih uporabnikov.
Lp
WallSreet ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Making a Murderer: Dasseyjevo obsodbo zaradi umora razveljavili
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/making-a-murd...
Opa še je nekaj pravice na tem svetu! Zdaj pa naj še očeta izpustijo!
IL_DIAVOLO
Pogledal sem 4 epizode in celotna familija Avery mi smrdi ze od zacetka. Ne vem kdo ima korist od tega, ampak steven mi res deluje psihopat in niti priblizno nedolzen.
Evo ti K*rac
Oblasti v Wisconsinu, vpletene v primer, so deseturno dokumentarno serijo označile za pristransko.
Evo lulika
LOl važno da so malega oprostili. Ti si nabijal kako so vsi krivi kar pa seveda ni res. Z drugimi besedami fasal si ga v usta
Nikoli nisem rekel da je mali kriv, pac je mentalno zaostal in se ga da z lahkoto zmanipulirat. Pristranskost serije mi je dala taksen obcutek, da hocejo prikazat averya v najboljsi luci, sodstvo pa oblatit. Ne izkljucujem da je bil pod pritiskom averya.
Ti pa glumis in branis morilca kot da poznas vsa dejstva. Pac nasedas fintam ki se prodajajo.
Tvoje obnasanje pa kaze razgledanost in dojemanje klasicne manipulacije medijev z javnostjo.
Avery je lahko oproscen, ampak ne bo spremenilo mojih pogledov na ta primer. Sem videl veliko primerov, ki so klonili zaradi pritiska javnosti, ki drugace ne bi. Opraviceno ali neopraviceno.
Se nadejam malo bolj kulturnega obnasanja. Ce ne zaradi sebe, pa zaradi ostalih uporabnikov.
Lp
Pa si ti sploh pogledal zadevo do konca? Nazadnje si napisal da si pogledal 4 dele. Če si pogledal samo 4 dele potem se lahko mirno odstraniš iz tele teme.
Sam si napisal da jaz glumim in branim morilca kot da poznam vsa dejstva. Haha ironija :) povsem isto bi lahko rekel za tebe samo v obratni smeri. Ti pa obtožuješ Avery-a kot da poznaš vsa dejstva. Že to ko si napisal da tudi če ga oprostijo ne bo spremenilo tvojega pogleda pove v bistvu dovolj. Tudi če bi se izkazalo da ni kriv bi ti še vedno svoje mutiv.
Oprosti če sem te kakorkoli užalil to ni bil moj namen.
lp
Jst ::
Jaz sem rekel samo za Averyja, da je najverjetneje bolje, da ostane pod ključem. Brandona so pa itak zmanipulirali.
Kar pa vseeno ne pomeni, da je serija dokumentarna oz. objektivna. Daleč od tega.
Kar pa vseeno ne pomeni, da je serija dokumentarna oz. objektivna. Daleč od tega.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
Smrekar1 ::
LOl važno da so malega oprostili. Ti si nabijal kako so vsi krivi kar pa seveda ni res. Z drugimi besedami fasal si ga v usta
Niso ga oprostili. Zvezni sodnik je presodil, da je sodba nepravična, ker je bila osnovana na priznanju, pridobljenem na neprimeren način. Okrožje ima 90 dni časa, da se odloči ali ga bodo izpustili ali mu bodo organizirali ponovno sojenje, vendar pri ponovnem sojenju ne bodo smeli uporabiti njegovega priznanja. Brez tega nimajo dobesedno nobenih dokazov za vpletenost, tako da ga bodo verjetno izpustili.
WallSreet ::
UPDATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE:
Judge orders Making A Murderer 'accomplice' Brendan Dassey released after 10 years in prison
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
Zakon po 10 letih ga bodo izpustili!
Judge orders Making A Murderer 'accomplice' Brendan Dassey released after 10 years in prison
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
Zakon po 10 letih ga bodo izpustili!
WallSreet ::
UPDATE:
Brendan Dassey of Making a Murderer has release blocked by appeals court
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201...
Brendan Dassey of Making a Murderer has release blocked by appeals court
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201...
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: WallSreet ()
malipizdek ::
UPDATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE:
Judge orders Making A Murderer 'accomplice' Brendan Dassey released after 10 years in prison
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
Zakon po 10 letih ga bodo izpustili!
Na tem linku je spodaj prvi komentar
Avery's DNA was found under the hood of the victim's car. Never mentioned in the documentary.
Resda to ne dokazuje nič, saj se ve, da je bila pri njemu zaradi intervjuja, čudno je le, da je bil DNK najden pod pokrovom. Kaj bi on šaral tam?
Jst ::
>Avery's DNA was found under the hood of the victim's car. Never mentioned in the documentary.
Amm, ja pa je bilo omenjeno. (Vsaj jaz imam to v spominu.)
Sicer pa ta "dokumentarec" za moje pojme ni nek biser objektivnosti.
Amm, ja pa je bilo omenjeno. (Vsaj jaz imam to v spominu.)
Sicer pa ta "dokumentarec" za moje pojme ni nek biser objektivnosti.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|
Smrekar1 ::
malipizdek je izjavil:
Resda to ne dokazuje nič, saj se ve, da je bila pri njemu zaradi intervjuja, čudno je le, da je bil DNK najden pod pokrovom. Kaj bi on šaral tam?
Pravo vprašanje je zakaj bi kdo tja podtikal njegovo DNA?
Sicer pa ta "dokumentarec" za moje pojme ni nek biser objektivnosti.
V bistvu sploh ni dokumentarec, ampak serija o tem kako so mu umor podtaknili. Seveda so zanj neprijetne podrobnosti izpuščene - epruveta z luknjico je še en tak primer. Luknjica je nastala ob odvzemu krvi in to so na sodišču tudi povedali, serija tega ne omenja.
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- spremenil: Smrekar1 ()
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