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Pac-Man ::

Ker jim je OPCW pripisal napad s klorom l. 2018, se je zadnje dni pojavil cel kup niti o kemičnem orožju in sirskem letalstvu. Kdor bi bral ali blokiral, da nemoteno ostane v svoji resonančni sobi :)

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...
https://twitter.com/gregkoblentz/status...
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/...
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1...
https://twitter.com/GPPi/status/1381972...
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...

Tanartaboljše in najdaljše so zadnje tri niti.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Sirijo so danes vrgli iz OPCW, nit:

https://twitter.com/gregkoblentz/status...

A couple of observations.
The only immediate effect is that Syria is not allowed to vote or hold any positions at @OPCW. This is a slap on the wrist given how blatant and brazen Syria's violations of the #CWC have been. However, the decision is a milestone in accountability.
Members of the @OPCW can and should do more. If Syria remains in non-compliance with the #CWC by the next Conf of States Parties, the Conf should refer the case to UNSC. Yes, I know Russia will use its veto to protect Syria--but (at least) 3 good reasons to do so.

1. Will provide very public platform for evidence of Syrian non-compliance, including use of CW. @OPCW has not been a good forum for that so far.
2. Force Russia to pay a heavy diplomatic price for supporting its CW-using, treaty-breaking ally. That Russia and Syria were only able to muster 13 other No votes means they are isolated.
3. Members of @OPCW need to use every avenue under the #CWC to bring Syria back into compliance--cannot leave UNSC referral unused just because of possible Russian veto.
4. The alternative is allowing Syria to remain member of #CWC in perpetual non-compliance and suffer no meaningful consequences--not good for the CW nonproliferation regime and bad precedent for future non-compliance cases.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Sirijo so danes vrgli iz OPCW, nit:

https://twitter.com/gregkoblentz/status...

A couple of observations.
The only immediate effect is that Syria is not allowed to vote or hold any positions at @OPCW. This is a slap on the wrist given how blatant and brazen Syria's violations of the #CWC have been. However, the decision is a milestone in accountability.
Members of the @OPCW can and should do more. If Syria remains in non-compliance with the #CWC by the next Conf of States Parties, the Conf should refer the case to UNSC. Yes, I know Russia will use its veto to protect Syria--but (at least) 3 good reasons to do so.

1. Will provide very public platform for evidence of Syrian non-compliance, including use of CW. @OPCW has not been a good forum for that so far.
2. Force Russia to pay a heavy diplomatic price for supporting its CW-using, treaty-breaking ally. That Russia and Syria were only able to muster 13 other No votes means they are isolated.
3. Members of @OPCW need to use every avenue under the #CWC to bring Syria back into compliance--cannot leave UNSC referral unused just because of possible Russian veto.
4. The alternative is allowing Syria to remain member of #CWC in perpetual non-compliance and suffer no meaningful consequences--not good for the CW nonproliferation regime and bad precedent for future non-compliance cases.

Jaz sem pa misli da bos pisal, kako so iz neznanih razlogov vceraj priletele raketa na mesto, kjer je izraelski reaktor, ki nima nicesar s temo, jederskega programa.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

gozdar1 ::

No ja izraelci pravijo da je šlo za protiletalsko raketo, mesto kjer je izraelski reaktor pa kakih 30 km stran.

blasfemik ::

Ne hranite trola.

7tom1ja ::

Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

coffeetime12 ::

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Končno nekdo ...

Pac-Man ::

Tankiji na delu, promovirajo blesave meme in blacklistajo sirske komuniste, ki trpijo posledice nasprotovanja Assadu in islamistom. Tako salonsko.

https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/138...

So @DiEM_25 — the ironically named "Democracy in Europe Movement" founded by @yanisvaroufakis — is not hosting just one, or two, but three genocide-deniers, including one employee of the Russian disinformation service. All three are apologists for Assad, Xi, and Putin.
Last year @yanisvaroufakis's sister project @ProgIntl invited Syria's dissident intellectual @YassinHSaleh to speak at their conference before rescinding to appease the tankies in its ranks. These movements are neither progressive nor democratic.


Yassin al-Haj Saleh @ Wikipedia

Yassin al-Haj Saleh (Arabic: ياسين الحاج صالح‎; born 1961)[1] is a Syrian writer and political dissident. He writes on political, social and cultural subjects relating to Syria and the Arab world.[1]
From 1980 until 1996, he spent time in prison in Syria for his membership in the left-wing opposition group Syrian Communist Party (Political Bureau),[2] which he calls a "communist pro-democracy group".[3]
However, he has also stated that his time in prison allowed him to break out of the "internal prisons [of] narrow political affiliation [and] rigid ideology", and has called the Syrian revolution an "open-ended and multi-leveled struggle", while remaining supportive of aspects of Marxism.[2]

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Al-Haj Saleh is married to Samira Khalil, a communist dissident, former political detainee and a revolutionary activist abducted in Douma in December 2013.[7] After 21 months of hiding in Damascus and whole Syria, for being wanted by both the government and radical Islamist militants, he fled to Turkey and lived in Istanbul until 2017. Al-Haj Saleh is now a fellow at Berlin Institute for Advanced Study (Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin).[8]



Samira Khalil @ Wikipedia

Samira Khalil (Arabic: سميرة الخليل‎) is a Syrian dissident, former political detainee and a revolutionary activist from the Homs region of Syria. She was arrested and detained for four years from 1987-1991 for her opposition to the Al-Assad government in Syria.[1] Khalil is currently missing after being abducted in Douma on December 9, 2013, along with fellow activists Razan Zaitouneh, Wael Hamada, and Nazem Hammadi.[2]


https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/09/syr...

The prominent Syrian human rights defenders Razan Zaitouneh, Samira al-Khalil, Wael Hamada, and Nazem Hammadi – the Douma Four – remain missing a year after their abduction, 71 organizations said today. The four were abducted in Douma, a city near Damascus under the control of armed opposition groups. They should be released immediately, the groups said.
On December 9, 2013, at about 10:40 p.m., a group of armed men stormed into the office of the Violations Documentation Center in Syria (VDC), a Syrian human rights monitoring group, in Douma and abducted Razan Zaitouneh, the head of the center, and her colleagues – Wael Hamada, who is also her husband, Samira al-Khalil, and Nazem Hamadi. The four human rights defenders have not been heard of since.
The armed groups exercising de facto control over Douma include the Army of Islam, headed by Zahran Alloush, which is part of the Islamic Front, a coalition of armed groups.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Zagotovo kažejo, kako visok moraš bit, če želiš postat sirski predsednik. Ne more bit druge.

https://twitter.com/gerasimos2016/statu...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

ajdov2 ::

Pac-Man ::

Higgins o spletnih fajtih okrog uporabe kemičnega orožja, nit:

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
Over the years Bellingcat has become increasingly involved with the justice and accountability community, and what's become increasingly clear is how utterly detached most of the online debate about things like chemical weapon use in Syria are from the work of that community.
...
If you spend a lot of time debating these things online you might imagine that’s the entire debate, when in reality it’s barely a circus sideshow in terms of the real work being done towards justice and accountability.
Effectively a lot of it is performative outrage which confuses clicks with real world impact. Getting invited to a UN side meeting to deny war crimes on behalf of Russia might make you feel important, but in terms of serious accountability work it’s not even a blip.
...
The justice and accountability community has meanwhile focused on putting together cases in various courts, like this one in France in relation to chemical attacks in 2013, and continue its efforts to do it elsewhere.
https://www.reuters.com/article/syria-s...
Probably the best work I've seen on the scale of the use of chemical weapons in Syria, and the logic behind it, is by @GPPi
https://www.gppi.net/2019/02/17/the-log...
They've got a great online portal where you can find lots of information about chemical attacks in Syria, details you'll rarely find anywhere else
https://chemicalweapons.gppi.net/
Their data portal contains details of 349 chemical attacks in Syria. Most of nosiest denialists could barely name 5, let alone 349, because ultimately they have an incredibly shallow understanding of the topic.
https://chemicalweapons.gppi.net/data-p...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Spet shilamo ta ameriški disinfo projekt imenovan Bellingcat 8-)
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Onlajn drama.

to

https://twitter.com/dy1anonymous/status...
This Jimmy Dore-Kulinski drama is pretty incredible. Kyle basically said he believes Dore and Mate, that Assad has never once used chemical weapons and that he won a fair election, but that slut-shaming Ana Kasparian isn’t a good thing to do.
And now Dore is going nuclear on him.


in to

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
How these groups radicalise overtime; unless you're 100% loyal to their cause and those who represent it in the eyes of the group they turn on you viciously.
Another good example of this behaviour is when pro-Assad account published pro-Assad White Helmet Hater Vanessa Beeley's private DMs with him because she admitted she thought Assad had tortured people, but wouldn't say it publicly.
It wasn't that she wasn't saying it publicly, and he was trying to expose that, it's that she dared believe it in the first place. Fortunately for her Russia Today needed a face for their White Helmets bashing.
This isn't something unique to Syria or any other situation, you see the same pattern of behaviour repeated in different online communities, from flat Earthers to chemical weapon denialists, just one of the many wonders the internet has brought to our societies.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Truga ::

dore is right

Pac-Man ::

Najboljši ljudje.

https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/141...
The most disgusting thing you'll see all day. A Syrian loses 7 family members in a regime/Russian airstrike. A pro-Palestine activist (@HumanitarianPR) based in London harasses him, asking him to prove that his family was real.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man,
mene si zgubil tam ko Američani financirajo iste teroriste v siriji, proti katerim so se borili v okoliških državah.
Drugače pa vpračaj koliko družin je letelo v luft s target killing, bodočih in trenutnih in preteklih teroristov.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Američani financirajo teroriste? Povej več.

In kaj ima to veze s smrtjo 7ih civilistov v ruskem/režimskem napadu? Se želiš pridružit najboljšemu človeku?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Američani financirajo teroriste? Povej več.

In kaj ima to veze s smrtjo 7ih civilistov v ruskem/režimskem napadu? Se želiš pridružit najboljšemu človeku?

Z razliko Nerazgledanih kot si ti, ki drugega kot socialnih medijev, niso sposoobni bralno razumevattiii

State department The regime of Bashar al-Assad must and will go. The sooner he steps aside, the better for all Syrians. The United States, along with our partners

BBC Arming Syrian rebels: Where the US went wrong

Evropski parlament : The financing of the 'Islamic State' in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) ... into Syria, taking advantage of Bashar al-Assad's lack of control over.


Ampak sej vemo, če si "na naši strani" , pač nisi terorist oziroma teroristična organizacija


PS : Z razliko od TEBE sem uporabil ZAHODNE, vire ne Ruske ali kitajske ali celo iranske :)) , da ne bom pristranski rusov/kitjaski fil, al nekaj...


PS : pa de ne bo pomote, da ne boš JOKAL kot na CNN-u
There's about 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms," White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Thursday.

Toliko o tvojih virih iz socialnih medijev in njihovi verodostojnosti. Verjento je dovolj za nerazgledane. Pa za nameček, niso sposobni teh 12 + skupino povezati z rusi. Morda se bodo lotili teh preostalioh 35%.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Z razliko Nerazgledanih kot si ti, ki drugega kot socialnih medijev, niso sposoobni bralno razumevattiii

State department The regime of Bashar al-Assad must and will go. The sooner he steps aside, the better for all Syrians. The United States, along with our partners

BBC Arming Syrian rebels: Where the US went wrong

Evropski parlament : The financing of the 'Islamic State' in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) ... into Syria, taking advantage of Bashar al-Assad's lack of control over.


Kaj naj si pomagam s tem kupom žaljivk in nepovezanih povezav?

Povej kje v EU dokumentu piše karkoli o financiranju s strani ZDA.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Z razliko Nerazgledanih kot si ti, ki drugega kot socialnih medijev, niso sposoobni bralno razumevattiii

State department The regime of Bashar al-Assad must and will go. The sooner he steps aside, the better for all Syrians. The United States, along with our partners

BBC Arming Syrian rebels: Where the US went wrong

Evropski parlament : The financing of the 'Islamic State' in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) ... into Syria, taking advantage of Bashar al-Assad's lack of control over.


Kaj naj si pomagam s tem kupom žaljivk in nepovezanih povezav?

Povej kje v EU dokumentu piše karkoli o financiranju s strani ZDA.

Lol. Bralno razumevanje ti ravno ni nekaj, ko se s strani ameriüko podprti teroristi , no naenkrat prelevijo v borce za demokracijo.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

arnecan1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Američani financirajo teroriste? Povej več.

In kaj ima to veze s smrtjo 7ih civilistov v ruskem/režimskem napadu? Se želiš pridružit najboljšemu človeku?

Na eni strani 7 mrtvih, na drugi desettisoče mrtvih in milijone zasužnjenih v islamistično šeriatskem režimu.

A ti resno misliš, da ti še kdo verjame?8-O

Pac-Man ::

Pobite, mučene in zaprte s strani assadovega obveščevalnega aparata pa kar zanemarimo?

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/i...

Syria: Mass Deaths and Torture in Detention


What I Learned In Prison | Omar Alshogre | TEDxSSE

Omar Alshogre @ Wikipedia



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Love watching the cultists fuck each other’s entrails in the replies.
Paranoia is rampant in cults founded on BS - @VanessaBeeley accuses @aaronjmate of using “CIA Talking Points” but he smiles when @jimmy_dore promotes her + calls out @KyleKulinski for not being loyal enough
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Pobite, mučene in zaprte s strani assadovega obveščevalnega aparata pa kar zanemarimo?

Kljub pobitim, mučenim in zaprtim s strani Assadovega režima je velika večina prebivalcev Sirije dobro živela, preden so ZDA, UK, Izrael, Savdova Arabija & Co. oborožili in s ketne spustili islamistično golazen v Siriji, za povrh pa so Siriji nabili še nečloveške sankcije.

Vse to, kar pripenjate Assadu, počne Izrael nekaj 100km stran, poleg tega pa se gre še apartheida in popolnoma odkritega etničnega čiščenja.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Tudi v najboljših časih je bila situacija slabša kot v Libanonu.

Korupcija povsod, bohpomagaj kaj reč čez oblast.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Tudi v najboljših časih je bila situacija slabša kot v Libanonu.

Korupcija povsod, bohpomagaj kaj reč čez oblast.

spet twat trobilo
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Pobite, mučene in zaprte s strani assadovega obveščevalnega aparata pa kar zanemarimo?


Glede na to, da je "zdravilo" tradicionalno precej slabše od bolezni, je to edina smiselna pot, da. Ozirima bi vsaj morala biti, ker se verjetno strinjamo, da sankcije, okupacija ter investicije v zmerne glavorezce sircem pač ne pomagajo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

Med sadističnim režimom in zmernimi glavorezci ni ničesar, kar bi lahko podprli?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Med sadističnim režimom in zmernimi glavorezci ni ničesar, kar bi lahko podprli?

Torej kaj potem delajo američani tam ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Med sadističnim režimom in zmernimi glavorezci ni ničesar, kar bi lahko podprli?


Ne. Ni naša država, posledično se nimamo kaj vtikati v njihove interne zadeve.

Mislim, cela drama je, ko par ruskih trolov investira par tisoč eur v ameriške volitve, medtem ko je pa pri stekanju ameriških miljonov v sirijo z namenom menjave oblasti vse ok.

Plus da je kristalno jasno, da pri zahodni "pomoči" ne gre za pomoč ljudem, ampak za kontrolo nad državo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Ne. Ni naša država, posledično se nimamo kaj vtikati v njihove interne zadeve.

Kršenje praktično vseh človeških pravic je po novem interna zadeva. Fino. Še malo in boš sprejet v Klub Najboljših Ljudi, čestitam.


Poldi112 je izjavil:

Plus da je kristalno jasno, da pri zahodni "pomoči" ne gre za pomoč ljudem, ampak za kontrolo nad državo.

Predvidevam, da so ruske bombe iz Hmejmima polnjene s Sputnikom V?
NYT Visual Investigations: 12 Hours. 4 Syrian Hospitals Bombed. One Culprit: Russia.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Ne. Ni naša država, posledično se nimamo kaj vtikati v njihove interne zadeve.

Kršenje praktično vseh človeških pravic je po novem interna zadeva. Fino. Še malo in boš sprejet v Klub Najboljših Ljudi, čestitam.


Poldi112 je izjavil:

Plus da je kristalno jasno, da pri zahodni "pomoči" ne gre za pomoč ljudem, ampak za kontrolo nad državo.

Predvidevam, da so ruske bombe iz Hmejmima polnjene s Sputnikom V?
NYT Visual Investigations: 12 Hours. 4 Syrian Hospitals Bombed. One Culprit: Russia.


Kršenje človekovih pravic zahod izvaja kot po tekočem traku. Ampak kršenje ni problem, ko gre za naše "zaveznike".

Medtem ko imamo 100 letho zgodovino američanov, ki so rušili demokracije in nastavljali vojaške diktature. Vse v imenu demokracije.

Kako kaj cvetijo ta drevesa demokracije po svetu?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Po (zahodni) Evropi, na Japonskem, J. Koreji in Tajvanu zelo uspešno.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Seveda, če mejijo na ruse in kitajce. Kaj pa preostali svet? Kako kaj demokracija v Hondurasu? Panami? Vietnamu? Kambodži? Guamu? Iraku? Savdski Arabiji? Afganistanu? ...

Koliko ameriških zgodb o uspehu demokracije lahko našteješ, ki ne mejijo na ruse ali kitajce?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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MadMicka ::

Poldi112, daj povej, kako so lahko ZDA v Iraku zrušili demokracijo? Sej to veš, da če so imeli v Iraku volitve, to še ne pomeni, da so imeli demokracijo? Režim Husseina, ki je zmagoval na volitvah s 100% glasovi, pač ni imel nobene veze z demokracijo.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Ne. Ni naša država, posledično se nimamo kaj vtikati v njihove interne zadeve.

Kršenje praktično vseh človeških pravic je po novem interna zadeva. Fino. Še malo in boš sprejet v Klub Najboljših Ljudi, čestitam.

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"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Poldi112 ::

MadMicka je izjavil:

Poldi112, daj povej, kako so lahko ZDA v Iraku zrušili demokracijo? Sej to veš, da če so imeli v Iraku volitve, to še ne pomeni, da so imeli demokracijo? Režim Husseina, ki je zmagoval na volitvah s 100% glasovi, pač ni imel nobene veze z demokracijo.


A sem rekel, da so jo? Saj USA ne ruši zgolj demokracij.

V Irak so demokracijo prinesli. In zdaj lahko opazujemo te, povsem pričakovane uspehe. Se tudi ti strinjaš, da je bilo smiselno za postavitev te cvetoče demokracije, pobiti pol miljona iraških otrok ter na miljone odraslih?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

c3p0 ::

Pacota še vedno plačujejo? Mora bit nek radodaren vir, verjetno kaka EU related "iniciativa".

Fritz ::

Še nekaj za Pacota, ki ga 'skrbijo' človekove pravice in nasilje nad ljudmi na Bližnjem vzhodu:


https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palesti...
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/t...
https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bit...

Kje so sankcije? Kje je posredovanje tujih vojaških sil? Kje je financiranje in oboroževanje upornikov, ki se bojujejo proti pobijanju, mučenju, apartheidu, etničnemu čiščenju in ja, genocidu? Kje je vse to v primeru Izraela, ki bi tisoče kilometrov vstran temveč dobesedno na meji na Sirijo?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

arnecan1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Med sadističnim režimom in zmernimi glavorezci ni ničesar, kar bi lahko podprli?

Piki, to je islamski svet, tu zaenkrat ni upanja za demokracijo. Kdor trdi drugače je ali neveden ali lažnivec. Tretje možnosti ni.

Poldi112 ::

arnecan1 je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Med sadističnim režimom in zmernimi glavorezci ni ničesar, kar bi lahko podprli?

Piki, to je islamski svet, tu zaenkrat ni upanja za demokracijo. Kdor trdi drugače je ali neveden ali lažnivec. Tretje možnosti ni.


Ni problem islam, problem je, da se demokracija brutalno zatre, kjerkoli se pojavi. Kam pa pridemo, če bodo perzijcin in arabci kontrolirali svojo nafto?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

fikus_ ::

Še vedno velja; denar je sveta vladar in kdor ga ima, ima tudi moč, ki je noče prepustiti, zato se pa "dogajajo demmokratizacije" držav. Podobno je, ko si želijo "lokalni šerifi" podrediti ljudi v neki državi. Ampak še vedno imajo podporo od zunaj, če ne, je mala verjetnost da uspejo.

In še to, izobražen narod zna furat demokracijo, je manj odstopanj od idealnega modela, zna in zmore krotit korupcijo. Neizobražen pa . . . , samo da nekaj da v usta, ima streho nad glavo, fajn avto in telefon, . . . . potem se pa konča (ni nujno, da so prioritete takšne in v takšnem vrstnem redu).
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Pac-Man ::

Glede na tole obtožnico v Siriji ne poznajo hipokratove prisege. Vojaški dohtar se je znašal nad zaporniki, kasneje pobegnil v Nemčijo in tam nekaj časa prakticiral medicino, ampak ga je dosegla roka pravice.


https://twitter.com/fritz_streiff/statu...

German Federal Prosecutor filed indictment against former Syrian military doctor Alaa M.: 18 counts of gruesome torture incl. resulting in deaths and attempts to deprive another person of the ability to reproduce.

In 2011, in the emergency room of Military Hospital No. 608 in Homs, Alaa M. doused the genitals of a 14- or 15-year-old boy with alcohol and lit the spot with a lighter. In the same manner, in July or August 2011, the accused abused a man admitted to the emergency room."
Alaa M. tortured at least nine other detainees at Military Hospital No. 608 in Homs by, among other things, kicking them on various occasions, hitting them in the face, stomach, or genitals with his fist, or striking them with medical instruments."
"The defendant squeezed the genitals of one prisoner and struck another on an existing bone fracture. On one detainee, the defendant performed correction of a bone fracture without adequate anesthesia."
In October or November 2011, Syrian Military Intelligence arrested two brothers and their acquaintance and detained them in the 261 Division prison in Homs. The morning after the arrest, one of the brothers suffered an epileptic seizure. The accused, who was called in, "punched the sick man in the face, gave him blows with a plastic hose & kicked him in the head. Few days later, Alaa M. administered a tablet to the patient who had been weakened by the epileptic seizure. He died shortly after w/o the cause of death being clearly established.
"Alaa M. [...] hung the detainee from the ceiling w/ his hands & beat him with a plastic stick. In total, the accused participated in at least ten torture sessions to the detriment of the victim. [...] he doused [his] hand with a flammable liquid and set it on fire."
"Alaa M. kicked a detainee with boots on his suppurated wound on the elbow, from which blood and pus subsequently oozed. The defendant then doused the wound with a disinfectant containing alcohol and ignited it. The defendant then kicked the prisoner in the face, causing considerable damage to three teeth. They later had to be replaced by a prosthesis. In addition, the defendant gave the victim blows all over his body with a baton. As a result of a blow to the head, the prisoner lost consciousness."
"A few days later, Alaa M. punched and kicked several detainees housed in a cell [...]. Because one prisoner resisted by kicking, Alaa M. beat him with a baton and then fixed him to the ground with the help of a nurse. A short time later, the defendant administered an injection with a lethal substance into the inmate's upper arm, from which he died within a few minutes."
"Between late 2011 and March 2012, Alaa M., together with other staff members, abused detainees at Mezzeh No. 601 Military Hospital in Damascus. In at least three cases, he beat victims, once also with objects, or kicked them."
"The defendant practiced medicine after entering Germany in mid-2015. He was arrested on June 19, 2020, on the basis of an arrest warrant issued by the investigating judge of the Federal Supreme Court on the same day and has been in pre-trial detention since June 20, 2020."
The case is expected to go to trial at the Higher Regional Court in Frankfurt (Main) this fall.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Katera država pa pozna hipokratovo prisego? Ker takih in podobnih zgodbic lahko najdeš, kolikor hočeš, tudi na zahodu.

Posamezni zločini imajo zgolj propagandno vrednost.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Katera država pa pozna hipokratovo prisego? Ker takih in podobnih zgodbic lahko najdeš, kolikor hočeš, tudi na zahodu.

Posamezni zločini imajo zgolj propagandno vrednost.

Zakaj mu odgovarjas, se niti ne zna pisat.
Da link in copy paste text. Ko ga povprasas , pa se brani z populizmom tipa rusofil. Uradni viri mu tud delajo tezave z bralnim razumevanjem, zato tudi cop paste tvit like fb vire.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Ker takih in podobnih zgodbic lahko najdeš, kolikor hočeš, tudi na zahodu.
Posamezni zločini imajo zgolj propagandno vrednost.

Išči, Poldi.

Če mu bodo dejanja dokazana, bo primer dobil tudi kazensko-pravno vrednost par let zapora + izgon v domovino. Menda je Sirija spet varna.


Mr.B je izjavil:


Na specifično obtožnico s specifičnimi dejanji je odgovoril s floskulo "dejanj kolikor hočeš" nato pa spišeš to?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Kaj bom imel od iskanja, razen kupa nepomembnih detajlov?

Če ti dam analogijo - v časopisih imaš redno v kroniki, kako se slovenci zaletavamo po cestah ter sem pa tja tepemo/koljemo. Tvoj zaključek je, da so slovenci norci, saj vsak dan beremo o kakšni nesreči, medtem ko o tujih ni ne duha ne sluha.

Kaj bomo torej naredili glede tega neravnovesja v količini povzročenih nesreč?

Zaradi dreves ne vidiš gozda, s spamanjem propagande pa zgolj še ostalim udeležencem debate z drevesi megliš sliko gozda.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

c3p0 ::

Ni to namen? S količino solate zameglit vse ostalo.

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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