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Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

No,
če niste verjeli,
kako se bo izšlo v Siriji..
No kot kaže je zadeva končana... "Live Updates: Situation in Syria as Turkey Halts Offensive Under Russia-Brokered Deal"


Rusi so v Siriji torej že šestič zmagali.

V sedmo bo šlo rado, garantiram.

zuzelka ::

Sedaj se je izkazalo kako nesposobni so Ameri in Mossad. Putin je zadevo s par potezami speljal v čisto drugo smer, kot se je desetletje trudila Amerika in njihov največji zaveznik in edina demokracija na tistem koncu sveta :))

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Pretežno sranje.


Jp, to je moje mnenje o 'dokazih, ki jih furajo Bellingcat & Co. in katere ti promoviraš. Veliko kvazi-tehničnega hypa in kvazi-raziskovanja od daleč s strani ljudi, ki niso nikoli bili na bojišču. Pod tako narejenimi 'izdelki' se potem skriva vrsta manipulacij, ki nima nobene zveze s stroko in dejanskimi razmerami na določenem kraju.

Obstaja vrsta dokazov kako so 'uporniki' prilagajali lokacije domnevnih napadov s kemičnim orožjem tako, da so trupla premeščali, jih nastavljali v določene položajem, poškropili s peno po obrazu itn.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Mr.B ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

No,
če niste verjeli,
kako se bo izšlo v Siriji..
No kot kaže je zadeva končana... "Live Updates: Situation in Syria as Turkey Halts Offensive Under Russia-Brokered Deal"


Rusi so v Siriji torej že šestič zmagali.

V sedmo bo šlo rado, garantiram.

Kaj si rabil 14 dnsi da si to napisal, pa si svojo radnom misel vpisal, ali si dojel da je bilo pred ofenzivo vse dogovorjeno.
Ampak ja random misel :
US was prepared to slap financial sanctions and criminal charges on officials of the court if they proceed against any Americans.

Executive Order on Revocation of Reporting Requirement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...


Dwight D. Eisenhower > Quotes > Quotable Quote
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3237-i...


because God commanded the Israelites to slaughter those people groups–men, women, children, infants, and animals.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Obstaja vrsta dokazov kako so 'uporniki' prilagajali lokacije domnevnih napadov s kemičnim orožjem tako, da so trupla premeščali, jih nastavljali v določene položajem, poškropili s peno po obrazu itn.


Na forum z njimi.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Obstaja vrsta dokazov kako so 'uporniki' prilagajali lokacije domnevnih napadov s kemičnim orožjem tako, da so trupla premeščali, jih nastavljali v določene položajem, poškropili s peno po obrazu itn.


Na forum z njimi.

Vse to je bilo v tej temi že x-krat polinkano:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/18/theo...
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/s...

'Dokaze' o vseh teh napadih so posneli in zbrali dobri ljudje, ki so pred dnevi, ob podpori Turkov, napadli in pobijali Kurde. Te dokaze so po tem od daleč 'ekspertno' obdelovali amaterji ala Higgins. Ne verjamem ne enim in ne drugim kakor tudi ne mednarodni organizaciji, ki bi morala biti strokovna in neodvisna pa to ni.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Torej imamo Postola, ki je ob vseh silnih kemikih na MIT za ekspertizo povprašal avstralsko bojda študentko kemije, ki vsekakor ni prilezla do diplome
Maram Susli @ Wikipedia
To Make Your Conspiracy Theory Legit, Just Find an 'Expert'

in Konašenka, ruskega stokovnjaka za dezo, ki je na prvi tiskovki po MH17 našel 2 lovca (kosi razpadajočega letala), križišče iz Luganska (uporniki) prestavil v Krasnoarmejsk (ukro armija) in predstavil napačno datirane satelitske posnetke na katere so bili najverjetneje dorisani oblaki.
Igor Konashenkov @ Wikipedia
Russia’s Colin Powell Moment – How the Russian Government’s MH17 Lies Were Exposed

Best people.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Sirski mediji poročajo, da so pro-turške sile napadle položaje SAA. Rusija vse zanika.

gtranslate:
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7047937

On Thursday, Syrian television station Al Ekhbariya reported that pro-Turkish Syrian opposition forces attacked the positions of the Syrian government army southwest of the city of Tell Tamer, located in Hasek province in the north-east of the Arab Republic.

In addition, on Thursday, the Syrian state agency SANA reported that units of the Syrian government army repelled an attack by the Turkish Armed Forces and the armed forces of the Syrian opposition on their side against two villages located in the Tell Tamera area. However, according to the agency, Turkish forces occupied the settlement of El Manajir north of Tell Tamera.

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The Russian Ministry of Defense denies media reports that the Turkish opposition Syrian opposition on Thursday attacked the positions of the Syrian government army in the north-east of the Arab Republic. This was reported to reporters on Friday during a briefing by the head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of the warring parties in Syria, Major General Alexei Bakin.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Torej imamo Postola, ki je ob vseh silnih kemikih na MIT za ekspertizo povprašal avstralsko bojda študentko kemije, ki vsekakor ni prilezla do diplome
Maram Susli @ Wikipedia
To Make Your Conspiracy Theory Legit, Just Find an 'Expert'

in Konašenka, ruskega stokovnjaka za dezo, ki je na prvi tiskovki po MH17 našel 2 lovca (kosi razpadajočega letala), križišče iz Luganska (uporniki) prestavil v Krasnoarmejsk (ukro armija) in predstavil napačno datirane satelitske posnetke na katere so bili najverjetneje dorisani oblaki.
Igor Konashenkov @ Wikipedia
Russia’s Colin Powell Moment – How the Russian Government’s MH17 Lies Were Exposed

Best people.

Tole gre both ways s tvojimi 'strokovnjaki'. Ampak moja 'resnica' je najmočnejejša, anede 8-)
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Mr.B ::

Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Tole gre both ways s tvojimi 'strokovnjaki'. Ampak moja 'resnica' je najmočnejejša, anede 8-)

So stvari, ki jih lahko preveriš z lastnimi očmi, tam neke strokovnosti ne rabiš. Samo obilo časa, če ustvarjaš, za kontrolo še tega ne.

Na področju kemije se pa Cheryl Rofer verjetno malo bolj spozna kot Theodore in njegova Maram.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2016-01...
Cheryl Rofer, a chemist, retired from Los Alamos National Laboratory in 2001 after a 35-year career in which she worked on projects dealing with environmental cleanup at Los Alamos and in Estonia and Kazakhstan, disassembly and decommissioning of nuclear weapons, and chemical weapons destruction, along with many other issues. Nowadays she spends a good part of her time writing for the blog Nuclear Diner, which she and two fellow Los Alamos alumnae, Molly Cernicek and Susan Voss, founded in 2011.

Tole je njen, blazno MIC, tejk o iranskem jedrskem sporazumu

Undermining The Iran Nuclear Deal
With President Donald Trump’s loud declaration of disdain for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the nuclear deal arrived at with Iran by six nations plus the European Union, the opponents of the deal are newly energized. They have resurrected all their old arguments, plus a few more.

...

The IAEA continues to certify that Iran is complying with the agreement, which is awkward for Trump and the opponents, but they do not let that stop them. There are other possible sites! Every facility that might be able to contribute to bomb-making MUST BE INSPECTED NOW!

...

“Rollback”? That’s another word for regime change, which Dubowitz has said he wants in Iran. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, people talked about “rolling back” the Chinese Communist government before they got nuclear weapons. It didn’t happen, but it caused a split in the US government that set us back decades in dealing with China. It also encouraged China to get a nuclear weapon. The George W. Bush administration abrogated an agreement with North Korea that slowed down its progress toward nuclear weapons. Now it has them. Regime change in Iraq shows how badly such things can go wrong.

The opponents never provide an example of success in doing what they want to do to Iran. It’s hard to understand why they insist on wrecking the JCPOA rather than building on it. They claim that the actions they advocate will not lead to war, but that seems to be a matter of faith or confirmation bias.




In kaj si misli o Postolovem izvajanju?

“A Naive Set of Assumptions” – An Expert’s View on Ted Postol Hexamine Theories

...

There are a number of smaller mistakes in Postol’s argument. He misunderstands the difference between alcohols and ketones in his comment about hydrogenation of acetone on page 4; fluorine and its derivatives are misspelled in his figures; he misunderstands what a hydrogen bond is on page 9 and ignores its function in solubility; on page 10, he switches from weight percent to volume percent without introducing a density.

Postol is operating from a naive set of assumptions, based on limited experience in a first-year chemistry laboratory, presumably the experience of his informant. The result is a wrong-headed approach to the problem and nonsensical demands of Kaszeta. Nothing in Postol’s argument sounds like it was written by a chemist or someone with a working knowledge of chemistry.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Russian Military Releases Satellite Images Confirming US Smuggling of Syrian Oil


Citiram:

Commenting on the satellite intelligence, Maj. Gen. Konashenkov said US operations in eastern Syria and its actions regarding Syrian oil could only be described as "international state banditism." He added that Syria's oil belongs to the Arab Republic, and not to Daesh or to "American protectors from Daesh."


in citiram:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

in Konašenka, ruskega stokovnjaka za dezo, ki je na prvi tiskovki po MH17 našel 2 lovca (kosi razpadajočega letala), križišče iz Luganska (uporniki) prestavil v Krasnoarmejsk (ukro armija) in predstavil napačno datirane satelitske posnetke na katere so bili najverjetneje dorisani oblaki.
Igor Konashenkov @ Wikipedia
Russia’s Colin Powell Moment – How the Russian Government’s MH17 Lies Were Exposed

Best people.


Deluje legit.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Russian Military Releases Satellite Images Confirming US Smuggling of Syrian Oil


Citiram:

Commenting on the satellite intelligence, Maj. Gen. Konashenkov said US operations in eastern Syria and its actions regarding Syrian oil could only be described as "international state banditism." He added that Syria's oil belongs to the Arab Republic, and not to Daesh or to "American protectors from Daesh."


in citiram:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

in Konašenka, ruskega stokovnjaka za dezo, ki je na prvi tiskovki po MH17 našel 2 lovca (kosi razpadajočega letala), križišče iz Luganska (uporniki) prestavil v Krasnoarmejsk (ukro armija) in predstavil napačno datirane satelitske posnetke na katere so bili najverjetneje dorisani oblaki.
Igor Konashenkov @ Wikipedia
Russia’s Colin Powell Moment – How the Russian Government’s MH17 Lies Were Exposed

Best people.


Deluje legit.

Ja zakaj nebi smetili temo, s tvojimi nesmisli, ki jih nihce razen lastnega smrekija ne bere.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Bagdadi naj bi bil mrtev. Kogar zanima več, zadnjih 5 ur + kolikor je preteklo od te objave na
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins ,ključne zadeve bom dodal spodaj.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Bagdadi naj bi bil mrtev. Kogar zanima več, zadnjih 5 ur + kolikor je preteklo od te objave na
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins ,ključne zadeve bom dodal spodaj.

Lepo, sedaj se lahko umaknejo iz teh nafnih vrtin in tako mirno predajo to Sirski vojski ali pa Turkom.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/...
Video of the aftermath of the raid this morning #Syria
Another purported video of the aftermath of the raid #Syria


Gmaps link, morning after video na povezavi:
https://twitter.com/ryanmofarrell/statu...
Speculating, but an interesting compound built on the western outskirts of Barisha, Idlib last spring, especially the bottom building
Footage from the morning after matches
Co-ordinates are 36.165848, 36.627291, roughly 5km away from the borer with Turkey.


https://twitter.com/osamabinjavaid/stat...
Around midnight we were getting reports of a US helicopter raid in Idlib which targeted AlQaeda. Consequently DoD officials told media that the raid targeted #Baghdadi. Multiple air assets were involved and apparently the green light was given a week ago. JSOC has been hunting him for some time. After retrieving DNA/forensic samples, the compound was destroyed. Hideouts location, details of raid & intelligence op, to me cleared in coming days.
Locals say the owner of the house was killed and his son was taken.

Torrent of info incoming, still verifying
This is allegedly Abu Saeed Al Iraqi who was 2IC to Baghdadi. Fighters say he was among those killed in Barisha, NW #Syria. AlQaeda linked HTS is distancing itself from collusion, saying they had info & were also looking for #Baghdadi in Idlib countryside. via @wissamm88
Unverified but another activist says "3 women killed, probably blew up themselves as they were found in pieces. 3 men & a girl also killed. 2 girls found near compound taken by neighbours & HTS looking for them. US soldiers took a man said to be the son of the owner of the house"

Worth noting US ground forces entered NE Syria on Saturday. These vehicles were filmed entering Qamishli from Iraqi side of Syrian border. This is the first major US convoy after Trump's pullout from Kurdish held parts but these troops are reportedly deployed to secure oil fields

ISIL supremo Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed alongside his bodyguard. Apprently he was trying to get his family out of Idlib and going towards the Turkish border. That's via Iraq intel team pursuing Baghdadi informed by Syrian sources - Iraqi security sources tell Reuters


https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1188...
Footage filmed near #Barisha #Idlib shows moments #US Forces destroyed location where #Baghdadi raid and subsequent clashes and chase took place


Ex-Bellingcat, zdaj NYT visual investigations
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/11883...
Here's some insight in how the location of the video can be verified. First, I took several stills of the video as it pans, and stitched them together. This gives a better understanding of the surroundings such as buildings and hills.
Second, Barisha seemed like a good place to start because several Twitter and Telegram reports referred to it as the place of an ongoing raid. Here's one of the earliest mentions I could find of helicopters crossing into Idlib from Turkey. It was sent at 11:09 PM local.
The time of 11 PM local as the start of the raid coincides with what local sources told @Elizrael. At least two different videos of apparent helicopter gunfire were shared on Telegram and Twitter. I haven't been able to verify these as not much is visible.

These reports were also noted by @ryanmofarrell, who started to look around Barisha on Google Maps. He found, as mentioned above, these buildings that “stuck out”. Just speculation.. but the aftermath video can be matched with that exact location.
I've seen contradicting reports about the duration of the raid, but we'll probably know more when President Trump addresses the nation. For what it's worth, he tweeted this roughly 4½ hrs after the first local report of helicopters crossing into Idlib.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta...

AFP photo of destroyed van appears to be taken quite close to the destroyed compound, some ~400m east. (36.1656, 36.6321)


https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1188...
#Idlib activists claiming dead bodies mentioned in eyewitness testimony was a top #Hurras Al-Din Leader called Abu Muhammad Al-Halabi, his wife and sons. Eyewitness had identified victims as 'IDPs from #Aleppo' who bought and developed the site.

#Idlib Activists share account of what they believe were "confirmed" events from last night
1- American raided the house of Abu Muhammad Salamah aka Abu Muhammad al-Halabi (one Hurras al-Din top commanders)
2- Apaches appeared & US troops rappelled 4m helicopters 2 surround area
3- Arabic speakers, Jordanian/Saudi/Iraqi accent, called upon him to surrender with everyone inside, including women and children.There was no mention of Baghdadi.
4- Abu Muhammad didn't surrender. Firing started. From here onwards events gets mixed up on this particular scene
5- Nearby, US troops locate a shepherd & hand over 3 children. They give him a Bell torchlight and order him to march 1km away from scene.
6- They also order him not to come back until he hears 3 airstrikes.
7- US killed everyone in raid site, but believed have taken 2 alive.


As @vpkivimaki points out, the holes in the roof of the building and cratering around the vehicle suggests it was fired on from above by a 20/30mm cannon. Also note the nearby building appears undamaged. Just a few hundreds meters east of the suspected Baghdadi compound.


#Turkey's official news agency says eight US helicopters and two drones participated in the operation that targeted al-Baghdadi, and that the operation lasted 90 minutes #Syria

Based on the information available so far here's the locations of the Baghdadi compound destroyed in the raid (36.165804, 36.627401), and the destroyed van (36.165769, 36.631570). This is about 5km away from the Turkish border.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Več, s higginsovega računa:

https://twitter.com/intelwire/status/11...
Folks you should be following today, as we're trying to establish ground knowledge and info from local media, OSINT and jihadist sources on the immediate question of what happened to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi:
@azelin
@Charles_Lister
@rcallimachi
@hxhassan
@EliotHiggins


Looks like AH64 shell- found at location
That is indeed a 30mm cannon shell. The nose gun on the AH-64 Apache uses 30mm rounds.


https://twitter.com/AdlerVolantis/statu...
I've reached 2 Slack channels, 7 different Telegram chatgroups and channels 3 Discord rooms, and 38 tabs (and counting, possibly) on my Chrome to make sense out of the raid

Temporary conclusion, both SDF and Turkey did provide essential intels weeks ago. All big chunks of crumbs



A shell photographer at the scene matches those used by a M230 chain gun, used by aircraft including the AH-64 Apache. Turkey's official news agency states 8 helicopters were involved in the raid, so that might include an AH-64.
Maybe ac 130 J ghostrider 30 mm autocanon..

Also used on U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment's MH-60L Blackhawk Direct Action Penetrator variant.



Meanwhile, a senior Turkish official said that “to the best of my knowledge” Baghdadi had arrived at the location where the raid occurred 48 hours before the U.S. military operation. The official said Turkey’s military had been informed of the raid in advance
via @KFahim


https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/...
New video by @mohmad_rasheed showing the aftermath of the attack on a compound near Barisha, #Syria



BREAKING: US official tells CNN that #Turkey played NO Role in assisting in Baghdadi Operation. Coordination was just deconfliction since his location is/was near Turkish border.

US says SDF /Kurdish forces provided "some intel support." Iraq intel also claiming intel credit(WP)


video:
https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/118...
Journalists should track this shepherd with an amazing story to tell:
The sheep herder, living nearby, says the house was recently owned by an Aleppo IDP, Abu Mohammed Salamah. US & Arab troops at 11pm. Soldiers handed him 3 kids & a light (!) for safety


nit:
https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/11...
It seems Iraq, rather than Turkey or SDF, might have played biggest role in catching Baghdadi. Reports suggest US helicopters flew in from al-Asad Airbase, not Incirlik. Iraqi officials say they got intel on leader's location from arrests of people in his inner circle
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Več, s higginsovega računa:

https://twitter.com/intelwire/status/11...
Folks you should be following today, as we're trying to establish ground knowledge and info from local media, OSINT and jihadist sources on the immediate question of what happened to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi:
@azelin
@Charles_Lister
@rcallimachi
@hxhassan
@EliotHiggins


Looks like AH64 shell- found at location
That is indeed a 30mm cannon shell. The nose gun on the AH-64 Apache uses 30mm rounds.


https://twitter.com/AdlerVolantis/statu...
I've reached 2 Slack channels, 7 different Telegram chatgroups and channels 3 Discord rooms, and 38 tabs (and counting, possibly) on my Chrome to make sense out of the raid

Temporary conclusion, both SDF and Turkey did provide essential intels weeks ago. All big chunks of crumbs



A shell photographer at the scene matches those used by a M230 chain gun, used by aircraft including the AH-64 Apache. Turkey's official news agency states 8 helicopters were involved in the raid, so that might include an AH-64.
Maybe ac 130 J ghostrider 30 mm autocanon..

Also used on U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment's MH-60L Blackhawk Direct Action Penetrator variant.



Meanwhile, a senior Turkish official said that “to the best of my knowledge” Baghdadi had arrived at the location where the raid occurred 48 hours before the U.S. military operation. The official said Turkey’s military had been informed of the raid in advance
via @KFahim


https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/...
New video by @mohmad_rasheed showing the aftermath of the attack on a compound near Barisha, #Syria



BREAKING: US official tells CNN that #Turkey played NO Role in assisting in Baghdadi Operation. Coordination was just deconfliction since his location is/was near Turkish border.

US says SDF /Kurdish forces provided "some intel support." Iraq intel also claiming intel credit(WP)


video:
https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/118...
Journalists should track this shepherd with an amazing story to tell:
The sheep herder, living nearby, says the house was recently owned by an Aleppo IDP, Abu Mohammed Salamah. US & Arab troops at 11pm. Soldiers handed him 3 kids & a light (!) for safety


nit:
https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/11...
It seems Iraq, rather than Turkey or SDF, might have played biggest role in catching Baghdadi. Reports suggest US helicopters flew in from al-Asad Airbase, not Incirlik. Iraqi officials say they got intel on leader's location from arrests of people in his inner circle

Sedaj nas boš prepričeval, da AH-64 prvič leti po suvereni državi in krade njeno nafto... ter strelja vse počes kar je v nasprotju z ameriškimi interesi..
Ej odpri si lastno temo.....
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/statu...

I am told 50-70 American military service members involved in the raid- pulled from US Army Delta Force and Rangers. About 6 helicopters involved in raid. “It was a partnered mission,” US official source tells me. Baghdadi was killed when he detonated suicide vest.

Biometrics (facial recognition) immediately identified Baghdadi- in suicide bombing head removed intact. DNA also used - typically takes a day for DNA results. US forces launched from Erbil, Iraq. There had been reports of sightings of Baghdadi in Idlib for some time,US official.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/statu...

I am told 50-70 American military service members involved in the raid- pulled from US Army Delta Force and Rangers. About 6 helicopters involved in raid. “It was a partnered mission,” US official source tells me. Baghdadi was killed when he detonated suicide vest.

Biometrics (facial recognition) immediately identified Baghdadi- in suicide bombing head removed intact. DNA also used - typically takes a day for DNA results. US forces launched from Erbil, Iraq. There had been reports of sightings of Baghdadi in Idlib for some time,US official.

Baghdadi killed himself by exploding suicide 'vest'
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

kow ::

Kaksne klati spet Trump :)

Mr.B ::

kow je izjavil:

Kaksne klati spet Trump :)

No bo Paxi povedal s svojimi litanijami... No upam da ne....
Realno je to Trumpi rabil,da lahko oblaži kar je amerika storila.... Sedaj je samo še vprašanje, pod kaj ima nelegalmno zasežena naftna polja veze s IS teroristi...
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

kow ::

Ena je bla:
"They use the internet better than, perhaps, everybody in the world, except Donald Trump." (ISIS)

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Sedaj je samo še vprašanje, pod kaj ima nelegalmno zasežena naftna polja veze s IS teroristi...


Donald vse razloži @21:00

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

NYT o napadu. Al Bagdadijevo približno lokacijo so poznali od poletja, operacija je bila precej na hitro vržena skupaj, ker jim je zaradi trumpove ideje o umiku iz obmoćja začela teči voda v grlo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p...

The surprising information about the Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s general location — in a village deep inside a part of northwestern Syria controlled by rival Qaeda groups — came following the arrest and interrogation of one of Mr. al-Baghdadi’s wives and a courier this past summer, two American officials said.

Armed with that initial tip, the C.I.A. worked closely with Iraqi and Kurdish intelligence officials in Iraq and Syria to identify Mr. al-Baghdadi’s more precise whereabouts and to put spies in place to monitor his periodic movements, allowing American commandos to stage an assault Saturday in which President Trump said Mr. al-Baghdadi died.

But Mr. Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw American forces from northern Syria disrupted the meticulous planning and forced Pentagon officials to press ahead with a risky, night raid before their ability to control troops and spies and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared, according to military, intelligence and counterterrorism officials. Mr. al-Baghdadi’s death, they said, occurred largely in spite of Mr. Trump’s actions.

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The initial planning for the raid began this past summer. The Army’s elite Delta Force commando unit began drawing up and rehearsing plans to conduct a secret mission to kill or capture the ISIS leader, and faced huge hurdles. The location was deep inside territory controlled by Al Qaeda. The skies over that part of the country were controlled by Syria and Russia. The military called off missions at the last minute at least twice.

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Around midnight Sunday morning — 5 p.m. Saturday in Washington — eight American helicopters, primarily CH-47 Chinooks, took off from a military base near Erbil, Iraq.

Flying low and fast to avoid detection, the helicopters quickly crossed the Syrian border and then flew all the way across Syria itself — a dangerous 70-minute flight in which the helicopters took sporadic groundfire — to the Barisha area just north of Idlib city, in western Syria. Just before landing, the helicopters and other warplanes began firing on a compound of buildings, providing cover for commandos with the Delta Force and their military dogs to descend into a landing zone.
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NYT o napadu. Al Bagdadijevo približno lokacijo so poznali od poletja, operacija je bila precej na hitro vržena skupaj, ker jim je zaradi trumpove ideje o umiku iz obmoćja začela teči voda v grlo.


Še dobro, da je bila tako hitro vržena skupaj, ane?! Ker v nasprotnem primeru bi bil Bagdadi še vedno živ. 8-O

Kaj vse človek ne prebere od Pacota.. jao jao...

Smrekar1 ::

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Še dobro, da je bila tako hitro vržena skupaj, ane?! Ker v nasprotnem primeru bi bil Bagdadi še vedno živ. 8-O


Implikacija je, da jim je opazovanje in zalezovanje živega al-Bagdadija prineslo mnogo koristnih obveščevalnih podatkov prek katerih so razbijali tiste zadnje koščke ISIS, ki še životarijo okoli. Zaradi dejanj 'stabilnega genija' so ta vir informacij izgubili za vedno.

To ni tako kot pri Osami, ko niso bili prepričani ali je res tam ali ne in tvegali mednarodni incident, da ga mogoče dobijo in naleteli na rudnik uporabnih informacij. Ne, al-Bagdadija so odstrelili zato, ker bi sicer lahko pobegnil in da ima 'stabilni genij' način kako v za trenutek preusmeri pozornost stran od brezštevnih kršitev zakonodaje, ustave in dobrega okusa.

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Še dobro, da je bila tako hitro vržena skupaj, ane?! Ker v nasprotnem primeru bi bil Bagdadi še vedno živ. 8-O


Implikacija je, da jim je opazovanje in zalezovanje živega al-Bagdadija prineslo mnogo koristnih obveščevalnih podatkov prek katerih so razbijali tiste zadnje koščke ISIS, ki še životarijo okoli. Zaradi dejanj 'stabilnega genija' so ta vir informacij izgubili za vedno.

To ni tako kot pri Osami, ko niso bili prepričani ali je res tam ali ne in tvegali mednarodni incident, da ga mogoče dobijo in naleteli na rudnik uporabnih informacij. Ne, al-Bagdadija so odstrelili zato, ker bi sicer lahko pobegnil in da ima 'stabilni genij' način kako v za trenutek preusmeri pozornost stran od brezštevnih kršitev zakonodaje, ustave in dobrega okusa.

In ravno sedaj in potem ko je blo ocitno da se ne bodo umaknili od naftnih polj. Se sreca da na ccn niso napisali v smislu asad teroristu, verjetno je bil to prevelik mentalni zalogaj...
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
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Smrekar1 ::

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In ravno sedaj in potem ko je blo ocitno da se ne bodo umaknili od naftnih polj.


Ne. Ravno sedaj, ko Trump praktično vsak teden zarije globlje in se to vedno bolj pozna tudi pri anketah.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_...

Tole je najbolj pro-Trumpovski anketar, ki še objavlja prave raziskave in si ne samo izmišljuje številk. Aprila letos so ga imeli celo nad vodo, z več podporniki kot nasprotniki. Zdaj na vsake 2 podpornika pridejo 3 nasprotniki. Bolj realni anketarji so precej manj prizanesljivi.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c...

Jasno je, da je nasprotovanje Trumpu občutno trdnejše od pripadnosti. Problem je seveda v tem, da bo naslednji teden Abu Bakr samo še ena povožena srna dalje, odstavitev pa samo bližje.

NMH ::

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Še dobro, da je bila tako hitro vržena skupaj, ane?! Ker v nasprotnem primeru bi bil Bagdadi še vedno živ. 8-O


Implikacija je, da jim je opazovanje in zalezovanje živega al-Bagdadija prineslo mnogo koristnih obveščevalnih podatkov prek katerih so razbijali tiste zadnje koščke ISIS, ki še životarijo okoli. Zaradi dejanj 'stabilnega genija' so ta vir informacij izgubili za vedno.

To ni tako kot pri Osami, ko niso bili prepričani ali je res tam ali ne in tvegali mednarodni incident, da ga mogoče dobijo in naleteli na rudnik uporabnih informacij. Ne, al-Bagdadija so odstrelili zato, ker bi sicer lahko pobegnil in da ima 'stabilni genij' način kako v za trenutek preusmeri pozornost stran od brezštevnih kršitev zakonodaje, ustave in dobrega okusa.


Fantastičen twist absolutno na nivoju tvojega fejknjus renomeja. Torej, bolje imeti Al Bagdadi-ja živega, da se lahko obrača javnosti in novači nove islamiste, kot pa ga terminirat. Klap klap. In to ti je ratalo napisat, ko sediš v pisarni in te plačuje ta država, da delaš čisto nekaj drugega.

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In ravno sedaj in potem ko je blo ocitno da se ne bodo umaknili od naftnih polj.


Ne. Ravno sedaj, ko Trump praktično vsak teden zarije globlje in se to vedno bolj pozna tudi pri anketah.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_...

Tole je najbolj pro-Trumpovski anketar, ki še objavlja prave raziskave in si ne samo izmišljuje številk. Aprila letos so ga imeli celo nad vodo, z več podporniki kot nasprotniki. Zdaj na vsake 2 podpornika pridejo 3 nasprotniki. Bolj realni anketarji so precej manj prizanesljivi.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c...

Jasno je, da je nasprotovanje Trumpu občutno trdnejše od pripadnosti. Problem je seveda v tem, da bo naslednji teden Abu Bakr samo še ena povožena srna dalje, odstavitev pa samo bližje.


Edina pomembna anketa bo na dan volitev med Trumpom in kandidatom Demokratske stranke. In ker vemo, da vidnejši kandidati demokratske stranke zagovarjajo diametralno različne stvari ni za pričakovat, da se bodo volilci kumulativno sploh pojavili na volitvah. Leta 2016 se niso.

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Pac-Man ::

Edutainment.

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NMH ::

Vsi late show komedianti v ZDA nimajo skupaj gledanost enega kanala za prodajanje pralnih praškov.

To pa zato, ker je povprečni Američan popolnoma sit vojn po svetu.
Kar naj začnejo drugi metat svoj denar v nesmiselne in s strani vojnih profiterjev sprovocirane vojne po svetu.

kow ::

Povprecni American nima pojma za kaj gre.. Ce jih vprasas koliko vojakov imajo v Siriji, Iraku, Afghanistanu - mislis, da vedo?

NMH ::

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Ta komentar si izbereš za pod segment iz Last Week Tonight?

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A June 2014 segment about net neutrality in the United States was thought to spur over 45,000 comments on the Federal Communications Commission's electronic filing page about a net neutrality proposal that, if implemented, would have priority "lanes" for certain internet traffic. The FCC also received an extra 300,000 comments in an email inbox designated specifically for the proposal.[72] It was thought that Oliver's segment had a major role in the FCC's ultimate reversal of stance on that proposal,[73] with the FCC instead implementing net-neutrality rules that prohibited priority "lanes".[74] A sequel in 2017 inspired over 150,000 comments on a subsequent proposal to scrap the new net neutrality rules.[75]

A segment on the then Prime Minister of Australia Tony Abbott received widespread attention in Australia across the mainstream media and was trending on social media.[76][77][78]

According to a document obtained by Vice, the military government of Thailand listed Oliver as "undermining the royal institution" for calling Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn a "buffoon" and an "idiot."[79][80]

The show also made international headlines following Oliver's interview with Edward Snowden, which included a graphic, in-depth conversation about the amount of power the United States government has at its disposal in terms of intelligence, both domestic and foreign. Oliver also confronted Snowden about the lack of knowledge of the American people about his work and why they may be hesitant to analyze it for themselves rather than accept preconceived notions of him being a whistleblower. Notably, he tried to help Snowden in creating public awareness for the fundamentality of the surveillance problem in putting forward the question "Can they see my dick?"[81][82]

In a segment about public defenders and how some offices are extremely underfunded, the New Orleans Public Defense office's crowdfunding efforts to improve their conditions were featured. In the days following the episode's broadcast, thousands of dollars were donated to the office by the show's fans, helping them raise their goal four days after the show aired.[83]

For a segment in the October 18, 2015, broadcast, Oliver put on a comically grand demonstration with Canadian actor Mike Myers to urge Canadian voters to vote against Stephen Harper in the next day's Canadian federal election. As part of this gesture, Oliver displayed $5000 in cash in anticipation of being charged for the crime of being a foreigner attempting to induce Canadian citizens to change their vote as per section 331 of the Canada Elections Act. However, the agency responsible for overseeing federal elections in Canada, Elections Canada, explained the next day that prosecution of Oliver will not be necessary since inducement in the act is defined as offering something material to voters. Per Elections Canada, Oliver has not tried to influence Canadian electorate, since the money shown was only for the anticipated fine, but merely expressed his opinion as a bystander, which is lawful.[84]

During the June 17, 2018 episode, Oliver spoke at length about Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, in part criticizing his censorship of Chinese media, his dictatorship[85] and consolidation of power.[86] Both "John Oliver" and "Last Week Tonight" were blocked from Chinese social media platform Sina Weibo immediately following the segment.[87] The HBO website and content from the network were also blocked,[88] although Last Week Tonight had already been excluded from HBO Asia.[89]

The promotion for Season 3 highlighted four derogatory quotes either the show or Oliver himself received: "Comedian fool" (former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, responding to a segment on the 2015 FIFA corruption case), "Makes people dumb" (an article The Wall Street Journal wrote about the show), "Very boring" (Donald Trump's assessment of the show), and "More unpleasant than a diuretic" (what President of Ecuador Rafael Correa said "gringo talk shows" were like, after being featured in a segment).[90]
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Pac-Man ::

Ker so ga "prepričali" v potrebnost varovanja nafte:

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1...
NEW — “US forces are returning to bases they had withdrawn from during the past few days in the north-east of Syria. More than 500 US soldiers, arrived at the base located on the M4 highway between Tal Tamr and Baidar” — Syrian Observatory
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/sta...

Gen. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, tells reporters he doesn't know where Trump got his information that Baghdadi was "whimpering and crying" when he died. "I don't know what the source of that was."
Milley adds he believes Trump was "talking to unit members," so may have heard it from them--Milley says he hadn't spoken to those unit members.


Milley je sourpuss na teh fotkah

Mark A. Milley @ Wikipedia

Še video:
https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/statu...
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Fritz ::

Here's British journalist Jonathan Steele on the BBC saying he was in attendance at the OPCW/Douma panel and witnessed a new OPCW whistleblower say his findings were suppressed on the absence of evidence for chlorine gas use on the scene in Syria.

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/11885...

No, me prav zanima ali se bo to potrdilo.

In še nekaj o penjenju:
https://twitter.com/Qoppa999/status/118...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
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Fritz ::

In še nekaj sposojenih komentarjev:

The media spent the war saying that Assad is friends with ISIS & the rebels must be armed with heavy weapons to topple Assad & destroy ISIS.
Then why did Baghdadi hide out in the opposition stronghold of Idlib & not in Damascus?
And why are rebel leaders mourning Baghdadi?


Turkish mercenaries, aka #FSA, call for Death of the Americans after they killed #Baghdadi their beloved emir. These are the people spinned by Qatari shills like Lister during all the conflict as 'moderate rebels'.
https://twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/...

Angleži pa ja ne podpirajo brutalne in nedemokratične režime. Free Hong Kong pa to...
UK military has a senior team embedded in Saudi armed forces which is believed to take its orders from Saudi commanders. This secret UK program trains the defenders of House of Saud in "internal security" and "riot control".
https://twitter.com/markcurtis30/status...
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kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

nsa_ag3nt ::

ZDA: Sirski vladi bomo preprečili dostop do sirskih naftnih polj
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/bliznji-vzho...
Je treba še kaj dodati ?

Stable genius:
Medtem je Trump v Chicagu jasno napovedal, da bodo ZDA zadržale sirsko nafto. "Zadržali bomo nafto," je dejal. "Zapomnite si, to sem vedno govoril. Zaržati nafto, želimo zadržati nafto. 45 milijonov dolarjev na mesec, želimo zadržati nafto. Zavarovali smo nafto," je dejal ameriški predsednik.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

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fikus_ ::

Nekje pa ja morajo dobiti denar nazaj za avanturo v Siriji :D

Fritz ::

To sicer prodajajo kot pomoč SDF (Kurdom), torej tistim, ki so jih lahkotno vrgli pod turški vlak. Seveda zato, ker gre pri takšnem ropanju tujih resursov za kršitev kar nekaj določil mednarodnega prava.

Ne samo, da so se pokazali kot usraneti čigar beseda ne velja nič, sedaj so postali še navadni lopovi. S Trumpotom zunanja politika ZDA res ne potrebuje drugih sovražnikov, saj jih ta s svojim moronizmom razgalja do samih temeljev.
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kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Smrekar1 ::

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Ne samo, da so se pokazali kot usraneti čigar beseda ne velja nič, sedaj so postali še navadni lopovi. S Trumpotom zunanja politika ZDA res ne potrebuje drugih sovražnikov, saj jih ta s svojim moronizmom razgalja do samih temeljev.


Jup. Deluje točno isto kot Putin.

Mr.B ::

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Ne samo, da so se pokazali kot usraneti čigar beseda ne velja nič, sedaj so postali še navadni lopovi. S Trumpotom zunanja politika ZDA res ne potrebuje drugih sovražnikov, saj jih ta s svojim moronizmom razgalja do samih temeljev.


Jup. Deluje točno isto kot Putin.

Se mi je zdelo da je Putin tam v Siriji, tako na lastno pobudo.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

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Fritz je izjavil:

To sicer prodajajo kot pomoč SDF (Kurdom), torej tistim, ki so jih lahkotno vrgli pod turški vlak. Seveda zato, ker gre pri takšnem ropanju tujih resursov za kršitev kar nekaj določil mednarodnega prava.

Ne samo, da so se pokazali kot usraneti čigar beseda ne velja nič, sedaj so postali še navadni lopovi. S Trumpotom zunanja politika ZDA res ne potrebuje drugih sovražnikov, saj jih ta s svojim moronizmom razgalja do samih temeljev.


Saj gre za pomoč SDF. Nafta je samo zato, da so misijo lahko prodali vrhovnemu poveljniku.

Trump on Libya: "We should attack it for 50% of oil"
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Fritz ::

Prav zanima me, kako bo to potekalo, ko bo SAA zasedla tudi mejo proti Iraku. Sicer pa Kurdi počasi le dojemajo, da se bo treba dogovoriti z Damaskom, ne glede na to kaj nezanesljivi partnerji pravijo.
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Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/EliLake/status/1190...
Did the Turks know where Baghdadi was hiding? That’s one of the questions US intel analysts are trying to answer as they go through documents and materials taken from the raid that killed him.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic...
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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

https://twitter.com/EliLake/status/1190...
Did the Turks know where Baghdadi was hiding? That’s one of the questions US intel analysts are trying to answer as they go through documents and materials taken from the raid that killed him.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic...

Boš nam povedal zaključek, so vedeli ali niso, glede na to da je bil pod... ni pomembno.
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Pac-Man ::

Preberi članek.

Some U.S. intelligence analysts have their suspicions.
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Fritz ::

Mah, USoti so še nedavno ščitili islamistične paciente v Idlibstanu in niso nič bistveno boljši od Turčije, saj kradejo tuje resurse. Za Turčijo pa tako ali tako vemo, da je v času, ko je imela IS na mejah, z njo lepo sodelovala, ji zagotavljala prost prehod za borce iz tujine in delala business z nafto. Sicer pa, kje bi se naj al-Baghdadi skrival kot pri bratih v verski blaznosti.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201...
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