Kateri Monitor ?

Tuhtam, da bi vrnil in vzel enega navadnega 27'' FHD. Kateri so dobri, da ima še zvočnike? :)

Ja pa input lag in response time imajo porazen napram monitorjem. Scipapa, te se kaj drugega moti na tem BenQju kot to da nisi navajen na resolucijo ?

Letos sem kupil en butast monitor. Sem mislil, da ne bo toliko slab, ampak men je obup.
Gre se za BenQ Zowie XL2411. Barve sem komaj, komaj nastavil da vsaj na pol stimajo. V streljacinah se mogoce opazi tistih 144hz, ampak problem je, ker rabim nek monitor, ki bo tudi dober za normalno uporabo.

Razmisljam o neki ukrivljeni varijanti. Mora pa sedaj vse stimat. Ta monitor ima tudi cuden nosilec in ga nikakor ne morem prilagoditi svojim potrebam.

Ma kdo kaksen nasvet neko dobro varinto. Pa da ni cena ravno cez 5 stotakov.

master yoda: nastavitve so smotane.....na bivšem hp zr24w so bile boljše......

zdaj iščem en soliden 27'' IPS FHD, da ima DP+HDMI in zvočnike.

JamesBond je 17. avg 2018 ob 23:51 izjavil:

Kaj pa tole: https://geizhals.eu/aoc-q3279vwf-a17165...

Za ta denar zgleda skoraj predobro, da bi bilo res?

Na prvi pogled izgleda zelo dober deal.

gledam 34'' 21:9 na extreme-digital, peezda so poceni.

https://edigital.si/monitor/lg-34wk500-...
https://edigital.si/monitor/lg-34wk650-...
https://edigital.si/monitor/lg-34uc79g-...
https://edigital.si/monitor/lg-34um69g-...

https://edigital.si/monitor/lg-34um88-p...

všeč mi je funkcija deljenja ekrana....koristno?

MrStein je 25. okt 2018 ob 22:29 izjavil:

1080p is so last century...
seveda je "đabe"

Jaz in se marsikdo na netu se ne strinja s tabo.

edit/ Ne maram pa razmerja 21:9.

Ja, jaz imam 2560x1700 na 13" laptopu in mi je nekje ravno prav. Mogoce bi blo vec tudi vredu, samo pri 4K ekranih je baterija krajsa tudi po 3-4 ure na istih modelih...

Jest bom pocakal racunam na 20% popust

No upam da bo ponujena kaka 24 144hz. Mam namen tut grafo takrat vzet. 1070 ali vega56. Tko da bo novi comp tak namesto 1060 580fhd 60hz.

Pozor, tole je VA ekran.

Truga je 26. okt 2018 ob 17:19 izjavil:

Pozor, tole je VA ekran.

In kaj je narobe s tem?
Važno da ni TN.

PARTyZAN je 29. sep 2018 ob 19:43 izjavil:

Je. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey...

Hvala, zanimivo.

Truga je 26. okt 2018 ob 19:03 izjavil:

VA je hudic. Isci nazaj po tem threadu, mislim da sem en dolg post na to temo napisal, ampak TL;DR je, zelo zelo grozen ghosting dobis na VAju, in grozen response time pri dolocenih prehodih med barvami, kar naredi premikajoco sliko se groznejso.

Niso vsi enaki. Ne vem koliko to variira in kako deluje dober primerek, ampak sigurno ni vsak VA monitor z "groznim groznim" ghostingom.

Zakaj bi sploh kupil ultra wide monitor (21:9)? Ne vidim prednosti pri resnem delu in se manj pri igranju. Ce ze, potem 100x raje 2 monitorja.

bajsibajsi je 26. okt 2018 ob 23:18 izjavil:

Zakaj bi sploh kupil ultra wide monitor (21:9)? Ne vidim prednosti pri resnem delu in se manj pri igranju. Ce ze, potem 100x raje 2 monitorja.

Zakaj bi mel 2 monitorja z grdim bezelom umes ce mas lahko enega sirokega kot 2?

JamesBond je 26. okt 2018 ob 20:35 izjavil:

Niso vsi enaki. Ne vem koliko to variira in kako deluje dober primerek, ampak sigurno ni vsak VA monitor z "groznim groznim" ghostingom.

Res je, niso vsi enako. Novejsi so se slabsi :P Beri to:

New fancy >60Hz VA panels aren't better with ghosting than older ones, they're worse. The pixels cannot transition fast enough to keep up with the higher refresh rate and you just get a blurry garbage mess. Have a look at what is the name brand equivalent of the Massdrop Vast, the Asus ROG Strix XG35VQ.



The response times starting from black are astronomically high. The awful trails on black edges seen in https://gfycat.com/UnkemptDistantBetafi... https://gfycat.com/ConsiderateAbsoluteA... are caused by that exact thing. It's important to remember that at 100Hz there is 10ms for the pixels to transition in, if you exceed this critical point then ghosting is exponentially more noticeable. Notice that the RTC error is also total shit for a whole manner of transitions, which leads to the awful anti-ghosting colour inversion on moving objects. This isn't an issue with only the Asus, here are all the equivalent monitors:



As you can see, Asus went for very heavy overdrive to try and reduce the issue. This is why they have better transitions but terrible RTC errors. I don't know how much you trust Massdrop's OEM to write an overdrive formula that is any good, considering OEM's that have been selling these panels for years are smashing their heads into them trying to balance overdrive with little success. The Massdrop Vast is older and likely uses overdrive similar to the AOC, which is much heavier on the black streaking which is the killer.

Compare this to the LG IPS screen seen in most ultrawides:



I'm not even going to include the RTC error because it is completely negligible.

This isn't goons being goons, if you go on overclock.net or reddit you will see the threads for these monitors absolutely full of people returning them and advising others to steer clear. It's not hearsay, the VA panels are objectively shit and no-one should buy them without a solid local return window. This is basically the exact opposite of buying on Massdrop. The X35P thread is basically just for recommendations of what to swap the pile of shit for.

To illustrate:



Again, this is the VA tweaked for minimum streaking. Look at the trail on the dark background, and then notice the colour inversion on the lighter background. They do https://gfycat.com/UnkemptDistantBetafi... this shit.

And here is the IPS:



I am not parroting something I learned in the thread, I am one of the posters in here that has extensive knowledge of modern panels and their pitfalls. I have used the AUO VA ultrawides as well as the Samsung S-VA ones, and there is extensive empirical evidence.




E: I didn't even mention but they also have the worst panel and backlight uniformity of any monitor produced, to the degree where the outer edges of the panel can be 40% dimmer than the centre.



Ampak hej, mogoce pa tvoj ekran ne bo tako slab??

Vsi spodobni OSi imajo čisto udobne bližnjice za razporejanje oken po zaslonu, ali več teh.

bajsibajsi je 25. okt 2018 ob 23:41 izjavil:

MrStein je 25. okt 2018 ob 22:29 izjavil:

1080p is so last century...
seveda je "đabe"

Jaz in se marsikdo na netu se ne strinja s tabo.

S katerim dejstvom pa se ne strinjajo/strinjate?
Da je 1080 last century (The first public HDTV broadcast in the United States occurred on July 23, 1996), ali da je "đabe" (cene glej zgoraj)?

Truga je 26. okt 2018 ob 23:49 izjavil:

bajsibajsi je 26. okt 2018 ob 23:18 izjavil:

Zakaj bi sploh kupil ultra wide monitor (21:9)? Ne vidim prednosti pri resnem delu in se manj pri igranju. Ce ze, potem 100x raje 2 monitorja.

Zakaj bi mel 2 monitorja z grdim bezelom umes ce mas lahko enega sirokega kot 2?

JamesBond je 26. okt 2018 ob 20:35 izjavil:

Niso vsi enaki. Ne vem koliko to variira in kako deluje dober primerek, ampak sigurno ni vsak VA monitor z "groznim groznim" ghostingom.

Res je, niso vsi enako. Novejsi so se slabsi :P Beri to:

New fancy >60Hz VA panels aren't better with ghosting than older ones, they're worse. The pixels cannot transition fast enough to keep up with the higher refresh rate and you just get a blurry garbage mess. Have a look at what is the name brand equivalent of the Massdrop Vast, the Asus ROG Strix XG35VQ.

The response times starting from black are astronomically high. The awful trails on black edges seen in https://gfycat.com/UnkemptDistantBetafi... https://gfycat.com/ConsiderateAbsoluteA... are caused by that exact thing. It's important to remember that at 100Hz there is 10ms for the pixels to transition in, if you exceed this critical point then ghosting is exponentially more noticeable. Notice that the RTC error is also total shit for a whole manner of transitions, which leads to the awful anti-ghosting colour inversion on moving objects. This isn't an issue with only the Asus, here are all the equivalent monitors:

As you can see, Asus went for very heavy overdrive to try and reduce the issue. This is why they have better transitions but terrible RTC errors. I don't know how much you trust Massdrop's OEM to write an overdrive formula that is any good, considering OEM's that have been selling these panels for years are smashing their heads into them trying to balance overdrive with little success. The Massdrop Vast is older and likely uses overdrive similar to the AOC, which is much heavier on the black streaking which is the killer.

Compare this to the LG IPS screen seen in most ultrawides:

I'm not even going to include the RTC error because it is completely negligible.

This isn't goons being goons, if you go on overclock.net or reddit you will see the threads for these monitors absolutely full of people returning them and advising others to steer clear. It's not hearsay, the VA panels are objectively shit and no-one should buy them without a solid local return window. This is basically the exact opposite of buying on Massdrop. The X35P thread is basically just for recommendations of what to swap the pile of shit for.

To illustrate:

Again, this is the VA tweaked for minimum streaking. Look at the trail on the dark background, and then notice the colour inversion on the lighter background. They do https://gfycat.com/UnkemptDistantBetafi... this shit.

And here is the IPS:

I am not parroting something I learned in the thread, I am one of the posters in here that has extensive knowledge of modern panels and their pitfalls. I have used the AUO VA ultrawides as well as the Samsung S-VA ones, and there is extensive empirical evidence.




E: I didn't even mention but they also have the worst panel and backlight uniformity of any monitor produced, to the degree where the outer edges of the panel can be 40% dimmer than the centre.



Ampak hej, mogoce pa tvoj ekran ne bo tako slab??

Ne vem, on BF1 video na AOC monitorju mi izgleda recimo čisto kul, nisem ziher da sploh opazim kake težave. Težko bi rekel, da je IPS ful boljši, če upoštevam, da ima VA boljši kontrast in nima backlight bleeda. Tudi samsung mi zgleda kar OK in bi moral imet lepšo sliko od vseh omenjenih in praktično vseh IPS, ni pa konkretnega videa ampak samo UFO test (game videi so na drugih panelih).

a je namera o vračilu izdelka znotraj 14 dni zadostna? ali moraš dejansko 14 dan že poslalti monitor nazaj?

scipascapa je 27. okt 2018 ob 08:34 izjavil:

a je namera o vračilu izdelka znotraj 14 dni zadostna? ali moraš dejansko 14 dan že poslalti monitor nazaj?

Mislim, da naj bi bilo 14 dni casa, da prodajalcu sporocis, da odstopas od nakupa in potem od dneva odstopa se 30 dni, da izdelek vrnes.

Buggy je 27. okt 2018 ob 01:20 izjavil:

hehe..se dobro da imam zaradi starosti default AA vgrajen, ker jaz na mojem VA ne vidim nobenih cudnih anomalij in ghostinga @144Hz, nasprotno...to je za moje oci najboljsi monitor evah do zdej!
Kaj pa eni vidijo in kaksne pixle prepoznajo na monitorju pri >100ppi pa ne vem ali so to superhero lastnosti ali pac le malce privdiha snobovstva.

Za 400EUR mislim da pred meseci ni(bilo)boljsega :D

Uff lepa cena. Kje si dobil za tolk?

TN display za 800e? a so gladki??

ja katerega pa pol priporočate?

gddr85 je 27. okt 2018 ob 16:00 izjavil:

zakaj pa bi sploh menjal, a rog gaming ni več ok?

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