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ziga1990 ::
^^ samo wartunder je multiplayer pa še too večinoma šteka v meniju in ko pogledaš stat-se med igro ostali igri sta SP
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D3m ::
Potlej bo prišel še update s strani warthunder. Razen, če jih serverji jebejo.
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dxx ::
^^ samo wartunder je multiplayer pa še too večinoma šteka v meniju in ko pogledaš stat-se med igro ostali igri sta SP
To, da špil šteka v meniju, še ne pomeni da je hardware nesposoben. Sicer te igre nisem nikoli igral, vendar iz grafike sodeč, ni nič posebnega. Pač neoptimiziran pogon/sama igra.
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ziga1990 ::
^^možno, da nezna ryzena izkoristit vredu ker z i5 760 je delal bp.
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dxx ::
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ziga1990 ::
^^ resno igram GTA 5 brez težav na stock a wartunder mi šteka torej je problem igra ali pa windows bug
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m0LN4r ::
Daj i5ko nazaj notr, dokler popravijo proce... mislim igre za proc
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ziga1990 ::
^^nebo šlo nemorem dati i5 760 imam AM4 podnožje plus problem bi bil če bi vse igre štekale ker pa GTA 5 dela tekoče mislim da ni CPU problem. sicer pa 1700 je zelo hladen cpu nisem še dosegel 50 stopinj+ pa sem probal prime95.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Več kot jasno je, da je z igro problem, r7 so trenutno overkill za igre. Škoda, da pa je ravno pri igri, ki jo igraš najraje. Samo ne zdaj krivit AMD, samo hvali.
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D3m ::
Na war thunder forumu imaš pojasnilo.
Igra ne zna izkoristiti več jeder problem sta tako AMD in Intel.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?...
Počakati boš moral na proper game patch.
Igra ne zna izkoristiti več jeder problem sta tako AMD in Intel.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?...
Počakati boš moral na proper game patch.
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OmegaM ::
^^ samo wartunder je multiplayer pa še too večinoma šteka v meniju in ko pogledaš stat-se med igro ostali igri sta SP
Glede tega se enako dogaja tudi pri meni, ko imam i5 6500 ter gtx1080.
Ups, D3m, nisem videl tvojega komentarja
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
zakaj pa potem ni težav s i5 760?
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Predator X ::
Na war thunder forumu imaš pojasnilo.
Igra ne zna izkoristiti več jeder problem sta tako AMD in Intel.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?...
Počakati boš moral na proper game patch.
Sej tud če je sam 1 jedro je ryzen čist dovolj močan. Tudi, če je samo 1 jedro 100% ne bi smel bit problem. Pač špil bodo mogl patchat za Ryzena.
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
zakaj pa potem ni težav s i5 760?
to je stvar otpimizacije, kakor GTa V šteka z 4T in celo 8T z višjimi FPSji.
1. Probaj affinity (izberi eno jedro 10 ali 13 etc.)
2. Probaj bios ugasni celoten CCX (da vidiš ali je problem v ryzenu ali v 16T). Probaj brez SMTja etc.
Če odkriješ problem to tudi sporoči na forum tako, bo napaka hitreje odpravljena. Tebi pa se ne bo več treba hecat z disablanjem jeder/SMTja/affinity...
Mogoče, če ti ryzen master dopušča nastavitve (profil) za posamezne programe...
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Vse isti šmorn samo cene so drugačne.
Hvala Intelu, da so zdaj take cene pri AMD, ker ponujajo Haswell performance leta 2017.
V igrah, da ne bo pomote. I5 se komot v igrah z r5 kosa, to je svojevrsten fail amdja, ampak saj bo samo še na boljše šlo, ni za skrbeti.
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l0g1t3ch ::
Za igre sta oba več kot dovolj dobra. Če ima eden 70 drugi pa 80FPS, to res nič ne pomeni razen za merjenje organov v benchih.
V kolikor imaš kak program z dobro MT podporo pa Ryzen krepko zmaga.
V kolikor imaš kak program z dobro MT podporo pa Ryzen krepko zmaga.
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D3m ::
Za igre sta oba več kot dovolj dobra. Če ima eden 70 drugi pa 80FPS, to res nič ne pomeni razen za merjenje organov v benchih.
V kolikor imaš kak program z dobro MT podporo pa Ryzen krepko zmaga.
Odvisno kaj.
Če je to average to ne pomeni veliko.
Gleda se minimum fps.
Grobi primer:
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l0g1t3ch ::
Tiste številke so bile za ilustracijo.
glede na prilepljene grafe, je očitno Ryzen v vseh špilih zadosti zmogljiv. Torej ni težave sploh :)
Ryzen FTW
glede na prilepljene grafe, je očitno Ryzen v vseh špilih zadosti zmogljiv. Torej ni težave sploh :)
Ryzen FTW
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Ja, vendar kdaj bodo ponudili višji absolutni performance, tam je napredek, nižanje cen meni paše, kot vsem kupcem, ampak kot že rečeno, za igrače je vsak eur stran vržen, če se že strogo cenovno gleda, pač veš za kak daš denar.
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l0g1t3ch ::
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
Ja, vendar kdaj bodo ponudili višji absolutni performance, tam je napredek, nižanje cen meni paše, kot vsem kupcem, ampak kot že rečeno, za igrače je vsak eur stran vržen, če se že strogo cenovno gleda, pač veš za kak daš denar.
Imajo že 6 proti 4 jedrom za isto ceno.
Ugotovili smo da za igre so dovolj dobri, v aplikacijah ki zares izkoristijo MT pa blestijo.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Vsekakor so dobri in za to ceno zelo v redu kupčija, samo 4+ghz bi morali dosegati, ampak pač ne in so res samo po ceni impresivni, škoda.
r6 1500x malo hitrejši od i5 4/4 najnovejše generacije in počasnejši od prvega haswella na istih mhz in 4/8 konfiguraciji. Optimizacija SW je očitno slaba.
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Čisto svež test:
http://techgage.com/article/an-in-depth...
http://techgage.com/article/an-in-depth...
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Grey ::
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
Ja, vendar kdaj bodo ponudili višji absolutni performance, tam je napredek, nižanje cen meni paše, kot vsem kupcem, ampak kot že rečeno, za igrače je vsak eur stran vržen, če se že strogo cenovno gleda, pač veš za kak daš denar.
VIšji absolutni performans bi lahko meril tudi tako (bolj realno), da bi gledal, koliko časa ima v game testu delto med zaporednimi frametimesi čim nižjo. Kratke špice na 600 fps ne pomenijo nič, če so delte ogromne. Tight grouping frametimesov pa pomeni zelo veliko za kvaliteto/udobje v igranju.
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globoko grlo ::
Iz http://techgage.com/article/an-in-depth...
Pros
A multi-threaded performance leader at any one of the three chips' price-points.
16 threads can keep a lot of the CPU available for game streaming / recording.
Carves through workstation scenarios (rendering, encoding) like butter.
Power efficient, peaking our system at 139W, with the Ryzen 7 1700.
AMD's made CPUs fun to benchmark again.
Cons
Gaming performance doesn't match Intel's Core series, but the real-world detriment is minor.
Ecosystem could still use time to smooth out. CPU cooler support is still in its infancy.
Pros
A multi-threaded performance leader at any one of the three chips' price-points.
16 threads can keep a lot of the CPU available for game streaming / recording.
Carves through workstation scenarios (rendering, encoding) like butter.
Power efficient, peaking our system at 139W, with the Ryzen 7 1700.
AMD's made CPUs fun to benchmark again.
Cons
Gaming performance doesn't match Intel's Core series, but the real-world detriment is minor.
Ecosystem could still use time to smooth out. CPU cooler support is still in its infancy.
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FireSnake ::
Nekaj mi ni jasno glede podpore ra RAM: na kekaterih ploščah je podpora za DDR4-2933 in DDR4-3200, na nekaterih pa ne.
A ni bilo govora, da Ryzen nima določenih multiplierjev in se RAMov na taki frekvenci ne da "gnati"?
Ima kdo kak link na kak članek na to temo?
EDIT: zdaj sem v nekih komentarjih prebral, da ne podpira le 3000 in 3400 frekvenc.
Tukaj:
https://www.techpowerup.com/231518/amd-...
A ni bilo govora, da Ryzen nima določenih multiplierjev in se RAMov na taki frekvenci ne da "gnati"?
Ima kdo kak link na kak članek na to temo?
EDIT: zdaj sem v nekih komentarjih prebral, da ne podpira le 3000 in 3400 frekvenc.
Tukaj:
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Sweet spot je DDR4-2933
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D3m ::
Nekaj mi ni jasno glede podpore ra RAM: na kekaterih ploščah je podpora za DDR4-2933 in DDR4-3200, na nekaterih pa ne.
A ni bilo govora, da Ryzen nima določenih multiplierjev in se RAMov na taki frekvenci ne da "gnati"?
Ima kdo kak link na kak članek na to temo?
EDIT: zdaj sem v nekih komentarjih prebral, da ne podpira le 3000 in 3400 frekvenc.
Tukaj:
https://www.techpowerup.com/231518/amd-...
Zelo različno je.
Nekatere ASRock podpirajo do 4133MHz
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Naj en doda hojnikovim predlogom ZEN gamer ultraRAM
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Tole je res navadna svinjarija. Upam, da malimehki crkne in dobri hekerčki forknejo winse.
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Grey ::
Predator X je izjavil:
data fabric 2GHz
killer.
Holy hell. A sploh obstaja limit Ryzena? It just keeps ryzing and ryzing :D
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Nekaj mi ni jasno glede podpore ra RAM: na kekaterih ploščah je podpora za DDR4-2933 in DDR4-3200, na nekaterih pa ne.
A ni bilo govora, da Ryzen nima določenih multiplierjev in se RAMov na taki frekvenci ne da "gnati"?
Ima kdo kak link na kak članek na to temo?
EDIT: zdaj sem v nekih komentarjih prebral, da ne podpira le 3000 in 3400 frekvenc.
Tukaj:
https://www.techpowerup.com/231518/amd-...
Na guru3d so se razpisali: Are you stuck at 2133 or 2400 MHz? Please read my procedural recommendations on this page. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/am...
The Memory
The AMD Ryzen platform supports DDR4 1866, 2133, 2400 and even 2667 MHz straight out of the box with two DIMMs. Higher frequencies are motherboard and more importantly firmware dependant. Over the past weeks we found out the hard way that Ryzen processors really like fast frequency memory, hence we sorely recommend you to use at least 2667 MHz DDR4 DIMMs. However, we recommend 2933 or 3200 MHz. Let me again refer to this article so you can see why. Now, this all sounds crisp and clear, but actual memory support on Ryzen systems is a bit of a mess. We have seen 3200 MHz modules from brand A work with a Ryzen 1600X, but not with an 1800X on the very same motherboard and vice versa. In such conditions your motherboard will revert to 2133 or 2400 MHz. Quite annoying and chances currently are still pretty good you'll stumble into it. AMD, the board partners and memory manufacturers have a massive task at hand here to get proper XMP support up-to snuff like Intel offers.
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FireSnake ::
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
Nekaj mi ni jasno glede podpore ra RAM: na kekaterih ploščah je podpora za DDR4-2933 in DDR4-3200, na nekaterih pa ne.
A ni bilo govora, da Ryzen nima določenih multiplierjev in se RAMov na taki frekvenci ne da "gnati"?
Ima kdo kak link na kak članek na to temo?
EDIT: zdaj sem v nekih komentarjih prebral, da ne podpira le 3000 in 3400 frekvenc.
Tukaj:
https://www.techpowerup.com/231518/amd-...
Na guru3d so se razpisali: Are you stuck at 2133 or 2400 MHz? Please read my procedural recommendations on this page. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/am...
The Memory
The AMD Ryzen platform supports DDR4 1866, 2133, 2400 and even 2667 MHz straight out of the box with two DIMMs. Higher frequencies are motherboard and more importantly firmware dependant. Over the past weeks we found out the hard way that Ryzen processors really like fast frequency memory, hence we sorely recommend you to use at least 2667 MHz DDR4 DIMMs. However, we recommend 2933 or 3200 MHz. Let me again refer to this article so you can see why. Now, this all sounds crisp and clear, but actual memory support on Ryzen systems is a bit of a mess. We have seen 3200 MHz modules from brand A work with a Ryzen 1600X, but not with an 1800X on the very same motherboard and vice versa. In such conditions your motherboard will revert to 2133 or 2400 MHz. Quite annoying and chances currently are still pretty good you'll stumble into it. AMD, the board partners and memory manufacturers have a massive task at hand here to get proper XMP support up-to snuff like Intel offers.
Tole je vsekakor zanimiva informacija, in v tole bom še vrtal.
Da se to da z BIOSi porihtat pa priča dejstvo, da ima skoraj vsak nov BIOS zraven pripopano "improved memory comaptibility".
Zadeva torej še vedno zori. In prav je tako.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Jeseni bo verjetno čas za Ryzen adoptat, če rabiš 6+ cores
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Če kdo med 1600 in 1600x koleba
http://www.techspot.com/article/1381-ry...
http://www.techspot.com/article/1381-ry...
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SimplyMiha ::
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
Če kdo med 1600 in 1600x koleba
http://www.techspot.com/article/1381-ry...
TLDR: 1600 prevaga.
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DarwiN ::
1600 ima trenutno res kar preveč mikavno ceno.. 232EUR, kar je zgolj 45EUR več od R5 1400, ki ima hkrati še slabši hladilnik in pol manj L3 cache-a.. Če nisi res strogo omejen z budgetom, potem tu ni kaj razmišljat.
You don't see faith healers working in hospitals
for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery!
for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery!
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Z 1600 bi bila zdaj ena skrbno izbrana mf konfiguracija dober Allrounder build.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
IDF skenslan za vedno, AMD premočno udaril ![:))](https://static.slo-tech.com/smeski/icon_lol.gif)
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