AMD ZEN - nova X86 Jedra

Napajalc je 8. feb 2017 ob 18:59 izjavil:

Ni problem v poceni plati, če se je razvoj upočasnil pri CPU, dvojedernik res nima več smisla, razvoj iger se ne bo upočasnil zaradi dvojedernikov.

Napajalc je 8. feb 2017 ob 23:41 izjavil:

Nope, i3 ne more bit več gaming CPU, poglej i5 na 2.7ghz grdo povozi i3 na 3.8ghz, preveč dropov, več kot očitno je da ima i3 manjko moči.

Jarno je 8. feb 2017 ob 19:11 izjavil:

Se pokesam, ker sem predlagal plato med 90-100EUR. Dovolj je že taka med 70 in 80EUR (mindfactory cene).
Seveda za izkušenega uporabnika in primarno mašino, "futureproof" + heavy gaming included.

Sosedovem mulcu osnovnošolcu pa bi skupaj s pentiumom zna podturiti tudi cenejšo varianto, ker sedaj životari na AMD bobcat prenosniku in bi rad nekaj res poceni in dobrega za gaming.

Background: I am formerly a purchaser for a computer retailer.

This site is hooked directly into the database for one of the largest "channel" suppliers in the world - Ingram Micro.

Channel suppliers like IM are the means for most vendors to get their products to retailers and system builders. I'm saying places like cyberpowerpc, and even retailers (to an extent Newegg), buy their parts from places like IM.

**These are 100% legit SKUs,** however pricing is not quite realistic. These are flat percentage markups of Ingram Micro's selling price.

Edit: my commentary of pricing got most questions. I'll explain here.

> Meaning to say if we add another 30% markup for retailers,

No, not even close to that much. Mom and pop brick and mortar, probably, that's what they have to do to keep the lights on. But the retailers most of us deal with these days - Newegg, Best Buy, etc - they buy these parts for slightly less than what we're seeing here, and then barely put tiny margins on top of that - and it is not uncommon for them to actually *sell these parts at cost or a loss*, and get their revenue from rebates from the factory. /u/carbonat38 was exactly right when he said "I doubt that margins in the ultra competitive online world are that high anymore, in particular with little actual operating cost."

> How can you tell that the markup is a flat percentage?

Just from my experience when googling an Ingram Micro SKU back in the day to get to a product real fast (channel vendors' websites are, as a rule, **shitty,** and so you develop your own methods to get to the product). I'd occasionally find a BLT url or a similar drop shipper. As a rule, BLT would have things in a certain line all the same lazy markup over the Ingram price. If Ingram listed a bunch of new logitech keyboards in April 2015, they'd all be 5% higher on BLT. If Ingram listed a bunch of new CPUs in Feb 2017, they'd all be, say, 1% higher on BLT. Making up those numbers, but that's the pattern.

**Ultimately, the pattern from BLT that I am familiar with** means that the 1800X will be $449.99 - 499.99 MSRP, barring any sort of price inflation if we are under supplied.

Get on the train.

m0LN4r je 9. feb 2017 ob 12:19 izjavil:

Me prav zanima kaj bom v letu 2017 dobil za 220EUR.

Karkoli, bos moral se plato in rame nove kupit. Na koncu pa bos mel ene od 0%-10% boosta za ta vlozen dnar. V bistvu ti 500Eur ne uide.

FireSnake je 9. feb 2017 ob 12:10 izjavil:

Pošteno!

Če se upajo nastaviti take cene, bo tudi hitrost na mestu.

Pa jaz si tudi obetam par deset EUR zaslužka s svojimi 26 AMDjevimi delnicami

Grey je 4. feb 2017 ob 14:21 izjavil:

Glede na to, da je performans 8/16 tam tam oz. boljši od 6900K (ki je tudi 8/16 procesor), tako, da bi rekel, da je tole pricing bracket tabela. Ne bi imelo smisla, da je potem 4/8 zmogljiv komaj kot i5 7400 (180€).

Tako na oko bi rekel, da bo (na podlagi demotov do sedaj so ujeli in celo prehiteli IPC Intelovih Lake variant):

4/4 (150€ - 200€) - nekje i5
4/8 (220€ - 270€) - nekje i7
6/12 (320€ - 380€) - performans i7 (6800K, 6850K)
8/16 (400€ - 600€) - performans i7 (6900K)