Ukrajina Part II

A je kak rusofil tule že bil na oddihu v Sočiju?

Dolga nit, spisana še pred komando o obleganju Azovstala.

Med branjem mi je prišlo na misel, da ljudske republike delajo z namenom izbrisa/nevtralizacije Ukrajine.
Vsaka dobi svojo elito, koordinacije z vrha pa ni. Pri dveh še nekako gre, če jih bo enkrat deset...

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/statu...

New from @holger_r and me: "Karl," our Estonian defense specialist, offers his insights into Russia's eastern offensive.

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"Ukraine has experience from 2014 when it held onto the Donetsk Int'l Airport for six months. The area of the Azovstal steel factory is many times larger. Every possible war scenario indicated Russia would encircle Mariupol. Ukraine stocked it with ammunition and food."

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//Letališče sicer ni bilo oblegano, po vzletni stezi se je dalo prit do terminala. Je bilo pa adrenalinsko, ker je odprt prostor in so streljali nate.

NDH ss Galicija Pakman, nihče ne bere tvojih litanij.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:19 izjavil:

3 tedne nazaj jim je zmanjkalo streliva, nafte in hrane.
Tako msm.

Da so šle te navedbe na folk okrog Kijiva si seveda izpustil.

l0g1t3ch je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:15 izjavil:

nejcek74 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:15 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:13 izjavil:

Ja RF je nekje na ravni San Marina in Kosova.

ja, oligarhi živijo v San Marinu, ostali Rusi pa kot kosovski rudarji, ko so jih se tlačili Srbi

Tako nekako ja.

To je tudi problem ukrajine. Kijev z okolico je živel v oblakih, ostali so pa gagal.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:36 izjavil:

fikus
In Rusi misliš da tako idejo niso vzeli v obzir ?

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:28 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:23 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:21 izjavil:

Kar pripravi osla in vprego nazaj, potreboval jo boš.

Ogljikovodiki gredo iz mode.
Rusija je efektivno petro state, ki prodaja ogljikovodike.

Le kaj bo to pomenilo za njihovo ekonomijo ???

Konji in osli bodo vsaj v EU zelo kmalu nazaj, ja.
Za plebse.
VdL in Charles Michel bodo seveda leteli v svojih Gulfstream letalih.

Torej si se že preselil v Rusijo, da ne boš trpel v pogubljeni EU ? Zagotovo ne in to je 100% dokaz da niti sam ne verjameš tem blodnjam, ki jih pišeš.

sbawe64 podpis
2020 is new 1984
Corona World order

Tipičen antivaxx bebec. Prej FB dohtar, sedaj pa do gležnjev putinovi danki.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:36 izjavil:

fikus
In Rusi misliš da tako idejo niso vzeli v obzir ?

Ukr imajo sedaj 40-50 milijard EUR primanjkljaja na mesec.
EU z eno milijardo, 300 milijoni, jah, saj nekaj je (gopnik smajl).

Ti, ki primerjaš Ukrajino z Afganistanom in Somalijo po ekonomiji in potencialu, najbolj brihten nisi, tako da investicije, obnovo in izračune raje prepusti drugim!
Drugače pa so Rusi napadli, Ukrajina se le brani!

Kam se jaz selim naj te ne skrbi.

K vodi EU smo lahko iz prve roke spremljati od marca 2020.
Neizvoljeni tehnokrati, ki živijo v vzporednem vesolju in bi radi vse pošpikali, nam vladajo.
Sedaj so usmerili svoj fokus v zunanjega sovražnika, da prikrivajo lastne napake.
Neomejeno tiskanje Ronca denarja recimo.
Energetska odvisnost.
Preveč birokracije.
Starajoče prebivalstvo.

fur80 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:42 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:36 izjavil:

fikus
In Rusi misliš da tako idejo niso vzeli v obzir ?

Ukr imajo sedaj 40-50 milijard EUR primanjkljaja na mesec.
EU z eno milijardo, 300 milijoni, jah, saj nekaj je (gopnik smajl).

Ti, ki primerjaš Ukrajino z Afganistanom in Somalijo po ekonomiji in potencialu, najbolj brihten nisi, tako da investicije, obnovo in izračune raje prepusti drugim!
Drugače pa so Rusi napadli, Ukrajina se le brani!

Stanje omenjenih dveh držav čaka Ukrajino, če se bo zgodba nadaljevala.
In EU kot njena soseda (Madžarska, Poljska).

Try harder, rusofil

Putler prisilno novači v okupiranih regijah in pošilja 18letne ruse v smrt kot nabornike

lejko0 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:45 izjavil:

Sicer so pa poboji civilistov v Mariupolju s strani ukrajinskih nacijov najbolj sprevržno dejanje kar sem jih videl. Pa še video dokazi sedaj obstajajo. Rusi so angelčki v primerjavi s temi ljudmi

O, lejga, lejko. Tole preberi:

Pac-Man je 20. apr 2022 ob 14:46 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 20. apr 2022 ob 14:03 izjavil:

Tole je bilo objavljeno v Kommersantu, ki je resen časopis, ne nek opozicijski cajtng.
Kommersant @ Wikipedia

Odličen članek, verjetno max, kar lahko protivojnega objaviš v Rusiji. Če se seveda ne odločijo, da se lahko piše samo o presrečnih prebivalcih, ki z rožami pozdravljajo osvoboditelje.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5316007

...

“These APUs, they were right in our yard,” Evgenia* begins. “My husband comes out in the morning, and they drink coffee on the hood of the car. Then behind the same machines they exchanged fire with the Russians.

“So it’s military time,” retorts a peppy grandfather in a sweatshirt and a knitted hat. “We need to fight somewhere. So they fought where they need to.

- Yeah, and they also wanted to sit in our basement. Together with civilians!

- After all, everyone wants to live, - the grandfather shrugs. - If they started shooting at you, you would also run into the basement. And don't care who's there.

— Do you remember, the Armed Forces of Ukraine sat down in that house on the fourth floor? Therefore, they shot at him from a tank.

- Do you remember how the Russians then settled in our house? - the grandfather taunts. - They also sorted out apartments, not every one suited them. And in the one that was necessary, the door was knocked out.

“Well, it’s because the owners left,” another woman intercedes. “The Russians then asked for the keys to the apartments. And they only knocked out the door for which there were no keys.

- And who took the car in the yard? We went in and asked whose car it was. And come on, they say, the keys to the needs of the army.

“And I don’t know who took it. The military - and whose, I did not even look.

“In general, guys and girls, both of them shoot, and we are between them,” concludes the grandfather.

“That’s what I don’t understand,” Yevgenia boils over. “Well, if you, Commander-in-Chief, know that you can’t hold Mariupol, then why fight? Withdraw troops. Why did so many people die? Why destroy the city?

“So it’s not just Mariupol,” the grandfather explains calmly. “The Russians are stuck here – it was easier for Ukrainians in other places.

He turns to me:

"Can you tell me what's going on right now?" How is Kyiv? Kherson? Kharkov? Odessa?

How are the negotiations? - adds an important woman.

I am talking about the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kiev region and the fact that Russia calls it a gesture of goodwill, and Ukraine calls the retreat of the enemy. I tell you that they are shooting hard near Kharkov, but Odessa, it seems, has not yet been stormed. That negotiations are ongoing, but what they are about is unknown. That the cruiser Moskva sank, and no one knows exactly what happened to it. Grandfather listens and nods measuredly.

“In short, it was all started for us,” he concludes. “Our Mariupol is a demonstration performance. And what do you say about it in Russia?

- That this is a special operation to free the Russian people from the Nazis.

Grandfather chuckles, takes off his hat and smoothes his gray hair, which has grown a lot in two months of basement life.

- That is, they decided to cut our hair, but at the same time they took off our shoes and stripped us and left us without a home.

“It’s good that it’s not without a head,” the woman adds.

...

Take teme ni na celem slo-techu kot je ta. Tukaj se vas je nabralo 4-5 ljudi brez vsake možnosti kritičnega razmišljanja. Predlagam, da greste enkrat skupaj na en možganski MRI, bodo sigurno kakšne podobnosti. Sicer pa močno verjamem, da se vam to odraža tudi ko niste izza tipkovnice.

Pac-Man je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:49 izjavil:

lejko0 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:45 izjavil:

Sicer so pa poboji civilistov v Mariupolju s strani ukrajinskih nacijov najbolj sprevržno dejanje kar sem jih videl. Pa še video dokazi sedaj obstajajo. Rusi so angelčki v primerjavi s temi ljudmi

O, lejga, lejko. Tole preberi:

Pac-Man je 20. apr 2022 ob 14:46 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 20. apr 2022 ob 14:03 izjavil:

Tole je bilo objavljeno v Kommersantu, ki je resen časopis, ne nek opozicijski cajtng.
Kommersant @ Wikipedia

Odličen članek, verjetno max, kar lahko protivojnega objaviš v Rusiji. Če se seveda ne odločijo, da se lahko piše samo o presrečnih prebivalcih, ki z rožami pozdravljajo osvoboditelje.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5316007

...

“These APUs, they were right in our yard,” Evgenia* begins. “My husband comes out in the morning, and they drink coffee on the hood of the car. Then behind the same machines they exchanged fire with the Russians.

“So it’s military time,” retorts a peppy grandfather in a sweatshirt and a knitted hat. “We need to fight somewhere. So they fought where they need to.

- Yeah, and they also wanted to sit in our basement. Together with civilians!

- After all, everyone wants to live, - the grandfather shrugs. - If they started shooting at you, you would also run into the basement. And don't care who's there.

— Do you remember, the Armed Forces of Ukraine sat down in that house on the fourth floor? Therefore, they shot at him from a tank.

- Do you remember how the Russians then settled in our house? - the grandfather taunts. - They also sorted out apartments, not every one suited them. And in the one that was necessary, the door was knocked out.

“Well, it’s because the owners left,” another woman intercedes. “The Russians then asked for the keys to the apartments. And they only knocked out the door for which there were no keys.

- And who took the car in the yard? We went in and asked whose car it was. And come on, they say, the keys to the needs of the army.

“And I don’t know who took it. The military - and whose, I did not even look.

“In general, guys and girls, both of them shoot, and we are between them,” concludes the grandfather.

“That’s what I don’t understand,” Yevgenia boils over. “Well, if you, Commander-in-Chief, know that you can’t hold Mariupol, then why fight? Withdraw troops. Why did so many people die? Why destroy the city?

“So it’s not just Mariupol,” the grandfather explains calmly. “The Russians are stuck here – it was easier for Ukrainians in other places.

He turns to me:

"Can you tell me what's going on right now?" How is Kyiv? Kherson? Kharkov? Odessa?

How are the negotiations? - adds an important woman.

I am talking about the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kiev region and the fact that Russia calls it a gesture of goodwill, and Ukraine calls the retreat of the enemy. I tell you that they are shooting hard near Kharkov, but Odessa, it seems, has not yet been stormed. That negotiations are ongoing, but what they are about is unknown. That the cruiser Moskva sank, and no one knows exactly what happened to it. Grandfather listens and nods measuredly.

“In short, it was all started for us,” he concludes. “Our Mariupol is a demonstration performance. And what do you say about it in Russia?

- That this is a special operation to free the Russian people from the Nazis.

Grandfather chuckles, takes off his hat and smoothes his gray hair, which has grown a lot in two months of basement life.

- That is, they decided to cut our hair, but at the same time they took off our shoes and stripped us and left us without a home.

“It’s good that it’s not without a head,” the woman adds.

...

Lepo da pokažeš od kje tvoje blodnje. Iz najslabše propagande, iz smeti praktično.0

lejko0 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:53 izjavil:

Take teme ni na celem slo-techu kot je ta. Tukaj se vas je nabralo 4-5 ljudi brez vsake možnosti kritičnega razmišljanja. Predlagam, da greste enkrat skupaj na en možganski MRI, bodo sigurno kakšne podobnosti. Sicer pa močno verjamem, da se vam to odraža tudi ko niste izza tipkovnice.

Saj nekaj je kritično razmišljanje, nekaj pa je, da govoriš o zahodni propagandi in medijih kako so pod kontrolo v istem trenutkiu pa prilepiš link iz RT in ves srečen trdiš, da Rusiji gre zelo dobro, tako ekonomsko kot vojaško!

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:48 izjavil:

PrimoZ_
Ti bi vse, ki se nočejo na lastno odgovornost vsake tri mesece špikati z eksperimentalnim cepivom, najraje _________ ?

Cepil s cepivom, ki je varno in učinkovito.

Sm se 3x tako kot večina okoli mene, vsi migamo BP.

Samo 5G signal je sedaj ful močnejši

Ukrainian holocaust survivor, 91, dies during Mariupol siege

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/...

Zaplenit vse kar je povezano s putlerjevim inner circlom in dat ukrajini tega je baje 1 triljon usd

Če bodo sedaj Ukrajincem tanke popravljali Čehi, to pomeni da je ruska stara šara učinkovito onesposobila ukr. remontne zavode.

PrimoZ_ je 21. apr 2022 ob 12:05 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:59 izjavil:

Prisilno bi cepil ?

Samo tiste, ki so proruski oz. zagovorniki putina.

Da vidijo iz prve roke te fašistične Putlerje metode. Da se navadijo na Rusijo :)

In preostale ?

Pumpanje denarja v Ukr. črno luknjo, primerjava s herojskimi Talibani proti komunistični SZ:

On the topic of funding, it's been announced total aid is nearing $3 billion from the U.S. alone.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/...

"U.S. has sent $2.6 billion in military aid to Ukraine since Russia's Feb. 24 invasion, with DoD weapons reaching the battlefield within 48 to 72 hours: senior U.S. defense official"

What's interesting about that is, the U.S. spent 3 billion on funding the Taliban in the 80's, over the course of an entire decade.

Operation Cyclone @ Wikipedia

From wiki: "The thrust of U.S. policy for the duration of the war was determined by Carter in early 1980: Carter initiated a program to arm the mujahideen through Pakistan's ISI and secured a pledge from Saudi Arabia to match U.S. funding for this purpose. U.S. support for the mujahideen accelerated under Carter's successor, Ronald Reagan, at a final cost to U.S. taxpayers of some $3 billion."

"Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken.[2] Funding officially began with $695,000 in mid-1979,[3] was increased dramatically to $20-$30 million per year in 1980, and rose to $630 million per year in 1987,[1][4][5] described as the "biggest bequest to any Third World insurgency".[6]"

So this was the "longest and most expensive" CIA operation in history, and ended up at $3 billion in 10 years. But the Ukraine has already gotten $3 billion in a single month. Imagine how much they're going to pump into it by the end of this year? This goes to show what I've said before that this is likely now the single costliest program of this sort in history. And that's only counting the U.S. aid, NATO/EU are pouring in billions more.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 12:06 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 21. apr 2022 ob 12:05 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:59 izjavil:

Prisilno bi cepil ?

Samo tiste, ki so proruski oz. zagovorniki putina.

Da vidijo iz prve roke te fašistične Putlerje metode. Da se navadijo na Rusijo :)

In preostale ?

Ostali imajo pa svobodno izbiro al se bodo cepili ali ne.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:32 izjavil:

Kolono tovornjakov, ki slučajno dnevno vozijo proti vzhodu, boš kako skrival ?

Ni kaj skrivat. Rusko letalstvo nima tehnicnih moznosti napasti premikajoce se tarce nad vecino ozemlja pod ukrajinskim nadzorom. Rusko letalstvo v dveh mesecih ni bilo v stanju razstaviti ukrajinske protiletalske obrambe, ki dobiva live feed od ameriskih letecih radarjev. Ko letalo v Rusiji vzleti, Americani in Ukrajinci to takoj vidijo, in po potrebi aktivirajo radarje ter napadejo. Rusi lahko streljajo manevrirne rakete iz Belorusije ali Crnega morja, in to je to.

Zato Rusi najvec letijo low level, pa se to zgolj blizu frontnih crt ter z nenormalnimi izgubami. Slikovno potrjenih je 15 Su-25 in Su-34, en kup jih je bilo zadetih s stingerji (ki so precej svoh) in so se privlekli domov, a so zdaj neplovni. Da se ne menimo o izgubah helikopterjev, tistih je dokazano sesutih 35, v resnici pa najbrz precej vec.

Ne mores se iti taksne vojne brez premoci v zraku. In ce ne razstavis protiletalske na zacetku, ter jo potem konstantno drzis na minimumu, potem na tleh ne mores zmagat.

Comandante je 21. apr 2022 ob 12:28 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:32 izjavil:

Kolono tovornjakov, ki slučajno dnevno vozijo proti vzhodu, boš kako skrival ?

Ni kaj skrivat. Rusko letalstvo nima tehnicnih moznosti napasti premikajoce se tarce nad vecino ozemlja pod ukrajinskim nadzorom. Rusko letalstvo v dveh mesecih ni bilo v stanju razstaviti ukrajinske protiletalske obrambe, ki dobiva live feed od ameriskih letecih radarjev. Ko letalo v Rusiji vzleti, Americani in Ukrajinci to takoj vidijo, in po potrebi aktivirajo radarje ter napadejo. Rusi lahko streljajo manevrirne rakete iz Belorusije ali Crnega morja, in to je to.

Zato Rusi najvec letijo low level, pa se to zgolj blizu frontnih crt ter z nenormalnimi izgubami. Slikovno potrjenih je 15 Su-25 in Su-34, en kup jih je bilo zadetih s stingerji (ki so precej svoh) in so se privlekli domov, a so zdaj neplovni. Da se ne menimo o izgubah helikopterjev, tistih je dokazano sesutih 35, v resnici pa najbrz precej vec.

Ne mores se iti taksne vojne brez premoci v zraku. In ce ne razstavis protiletalske na zacetku, ter jo potem konstantno drzis na minimumu, potem na tleh ne mores zmagat.

Američani so lahko tolkli Iračane po tako imenovani highway of death zato,ker so uničili iraško protizračno obrambo. Rusi ukrajinske ne morejo,ker imajo morje manpadov in bi bili nizki napadi na kolone samomor.

sbawe64 je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:29 izjavil:

Motion je 21. apr 2022 ob 11:25 izjavil:

saj jih ne rabjo sam po zeleznici furat. Maš tudi cestne transporte. So mal dražji vendar veliko varnejši trenutno.

Za Highway of Death si slišal, ali takrat še nisi obstajal ?

A ta "superiorna" ruska aviacija bo to izvedla. Še do fronte si neupajo letet pa bodo v notranjost ukrajine.

PrimoZ_ je 21. apr 2022 ob 13:07 izjavil:

Ehh manjka motorna čelada a glavi, gumjasti škornji na nogah in stat bi moral na pralnem stroju

ZDA bodo BiH-u po helikopterjih donirale še protitankovski raketni sistem javelin

Preventiva.