Ukrajina Part II

sir_mha je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:20 izjavil:

Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima

Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?

Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?

Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.

Pac-Man je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:25 izjavil:

WizzardOfOZ je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:14 izjavil:

Za američane sem prepričan, da bi premislili, za ruse pa nisem več tok prepričan. Glede na to kaj počnejo, niti ne razmišljajo.

Ti jamraš čez JJ, medtem Slovaška

Transport slovenského systému S-300 na Ukrajinu

Jap, znebil se bodo stare ruske tehnike in nabavili novejšo iz amerike. No harm.

Poldi112 je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:30 izjavil:

sir_mha je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:20 izjavil:

Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima

Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?

Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?

Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.

Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )

Poldi112 je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:30 izjavil:

sir_mha je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:20 izjavil:

Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima

Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?

Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?

Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.

Ti, jaz ne vem, kako bo v prihodnosti, se mi zdi normalno, da predsednik države ne odstopa od suverenosti glede svoje države, ozemlja. Verjetno imava drugačen pogled na razvoj dogodkov, ampak z vsakim dnem se mi zdi bolj jasno, kdo se je v tem spopadu zakalkurilal. Kaj pa bo Putinu ta požgana zemlja, s tem da je Rusija ena najmanj poseljenih držav. Kako je bilo na Kosovu, smo pa videl, ko so Srbi začel s čišenjem in poboji v posameznih albanskih vaseh ... še več je takih primerov v zgodovini, ko je manjši nasprotnik v vojni zmagal.

Poldi112 je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:35 izjavil:

MojaDežela je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:29 izjavil:

No pa zakaj so baltske drzave (nekdanje ruske) in mejijo na rusijo v NATU od 2004? In tud UA je želela saj je vecina naroda bila za to in slutila kaksno sranje znajo narediti njimi in ze stoletje vedo kaksna je ruska politika...ampak biznis s plinom je to zaviral in diplomacija...

Baltske države so v NATO, ker rusi tega niso bili sposobni preprečiti - NATO jih je na suho nategnil, ko so bili na hrbtu.

No, sedaj imajo moč preprečiti nadaljnje širitve. Kar so tudi jasno pokazali že 2008, pa 2014, ...

MojaDežela je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:34 izjavil:

Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )

Kakšno basen? Saj američani že stoletje igranjo isto igro, kot prej stoletja pred njimi predhodni imperialisti. Samo eni mislite, da je danes "vse drugače", ker je CNN tako rekel.

sparklyslo je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:27 izjavil:

Ne, Putler si je zaželel cele Ukrajine, nastaviti marionetno vlado, ki bo sovražila ukrajince in početi vse to, kar ti razlagaš da se ne sme v Donbasu. Klanje otrok v okolici Kijeva za dosego ciljev v Dombasu? Odlična taktika za ljubitelje nacistov.

Si nismo več ali manj enotni, da nima moči držati cele Ukrajine? In kaj bo imel od tega? Ter če ima take imperialne težnje, zakaj je v preteklosti po zmagah jemal tako malo ozemlja? Kot da bi želel zgolj pokazati, da se ne šali.

To je spet ena taka osnovnošolska, ko predpostaviš, da je Putin zabit in ne ve, kaj dela, zato ga je potrebno ustaviti, preden se s svojo nevednostjo prebije do Lizbone?

Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only

sparklyslo je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:46 izjavil:

Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only

Ne pozabit, da so se ruski vojaki še dva tedna nazaj začeli vkopavat severno od Kieva.
Ta ukaz o umiku okoli Kieva je prišel nenadno, pa tudi umik je bil kaotičen, saj so pustili en kup pokvarjene in delujoče opreme za sabo.

2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme

prej 4000

mackilla je 8. apr 2022 ob 22:06 izjavil:

Scaramouche je 8. apr 2022 ob 17:31 izjavil:

Te pravljice vam forsira ruska propaganda.

Članek je napisal Američan!

In kdo je že vrgel dve, v vojni?

Misliš,da obstaja skrivni ameriški načrt,da napadejo Rusijo z jedrskim orožjem? Manjka jim še samo zadnji kos sestavljanke in to je Ukrajina s katere bodo začeli napad? Kako mislijo to izvesti brez,da bi jim Rusi vrnili? A bodo zbombardirali vsa ruska izstrelišča v enem napadu? Vse silose in mobilne platforme ter podmornice jim bodo uničili brez,da bi Rusi odreagirali?

Sej so lepo razlozili. Iz ukrajine prileti raketa eno minu prej, to je ravno dovolj, da putin ne more izdati ukaza za povracilni napada. Sah mat:)

FireSnake je 9. apr 2022 ob 07:30 izjavil:

To je vojna:
https://www.logicno.com/politika/objavl...
Ni za tiste s slabim želodcem.

Za tiste, ki govorijo kako so Ukrajinci nedolžni, lepo delajo z zajetimi ipd.

Še glede mrtvih Rusov: ruske mame so rekle, da bi prišle same po trupla, pa jim ne pustijo.
Zelenski laže po nareku usekov.
Raja pa trpi.

Ne opravičujem nobenih vojnih zločinov, ampak ali niso ti Ruski vojaki padli v boju iz zasede Ukrajincev? In tisto streljanje na ležečega Ruskega vojaka... ali ni bil brez glave in se je telo le refleksno premikalo?
Mislim, da je to dejanje le kapljica v morje proti zločinom, ki jih Rusi izvajajo nad Ukrajinskimi civilisti in se sploh ne da primerjati. Sedaj pa rusofili delate takšen halo okrog tega.

Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.

NYT iz Černobila, fotke na povezavi

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/worl...

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“We told them not to do it, that it was dangerous, but they ignored us,” Valeriy Simyonov, the chief safety engineer for the Chernobyl nuclear site, said in an interview.

Apparently undeterred by safety concerns, the Russian forces tramped about the grounds with bulldozers and tanks, digging trenches and bunkers — and exposing themselves to potentially harmful doses of radiation lingering beneath the surface.

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At just one site of extensive trenching a few hundred yards outside the town of Chernobyl, the Russian army had dug an elaborate maze of sunken walkways and bunkers. An abandoned armored personnel carrier sat nearby.

The soldiers had apparently camped out for weeks in the radioactive forest. While international nuclear safety experts say they have not confirmed any cases of radiation sickness among the soldiers, the cancers and other potential health problems associated with radiation exposure might not develop until decades later.

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Mr. Simyonov said that the Russian military had deployed officers from a nuclear, biological and chemical unit, as well as experts from Rosatom, Russia’s state nuclear power company, who consulted with the Ukrainian scientists.

But the Russian nuclear experts seemed to hold little sway over the army commanders, he said. The military men seemed more preoccupied with planning the assault on Kyiv and, after that failed, using Chernobyl as an escape route to Belarus for their badly mauled troops.

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In a particularly ill-advised action, a Russian soldier from a chemical, biological and nuclear protection unit picked up a source of cobalt-60 at one waste storage site with his bare hands, exposing himself to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a Geiger counter, Mr. Simyonov said. It was not clear what happened to the man, he said.

The most concerning moment, Mr. Simyonov said, came in mid-March, when electrical power was cut to a cooling pool that stores spent nuclear fuel rods that contain many times more radioactive material than was dispersed in the 1986 catastrophe.

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The march to Kyiv on the western bank of the Dnipro River began and ended in Chernobyl for the 31st and 36th Combined Arms Armies of the Russian military, which traveled with an auxiliary of special forces and ethnic Chechen combatants.

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As they retreated from Chernobyl, Russian troops blew up a bridge in the exclusion zone and planted a dense maze of anti-personnel mines, trip wires and booby traps around the defunct station. Two Ukrainian soldiers have stepped on mines in the past week, according to the Ukrainian government agency that manages the site.

In a bizarre final sign of the unit’s misadventures, Ukrainian soldiers found discarded appliances and electronic goods on roads in the Chernobyl zone. These were apparently looted from towns deeper inside Ukraine and cast off for unclear reasons in the final retreat. Reporters found one washing machine on a road shoulder just outside the town of Chernobyl.

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During the occupation, Russian soldiers searched the apartments of nuclear technicians and engineers, firefighters and support staff in the town of Chernobyl. “They took valuable items” from apartments, she said, but there was little violence.

Workers tried to caution the Russians about radiation risks, to little avail.

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Armored vehicles that run on treads, rather than wheels, pose the primary risk for radiation safety in a wider area, as they churn up the radioactive soil and spread it into areas of Belarus and Russia as they retreat, Ms. Pavlova said. “The next person who comes along can be contaminated,” she said.

While the five-day cutoff in electricity did not lead to any disasters, it was still cause for enormous anxiety among the plant’s operators, said Sergei Makluk, a shift supervisor interviewed at the nuclear station on Thursday evening.

The backup generators that kicked in require about 18,000 gallons of diesel fuel a day. In the first days, Russian officers assured plant employees that they would have enough fuel, drawn from the supplies being trucked in for armored vehicles in the fighting in the Kyiv suburbs, Mr. Makluk said. But by the fifth day, with the military’s well-documented logistical problems, the officers said they would no longer supply the diesel.

“They said, ‘There’s not enough fuel for the front,’” and that a power cable leading to Belarus should be used to draw electricity from the Belarusian grid to cool the waste pool instead.

Mr. Simyonov, the chief safety engineer, characterized the threat to halt diesel supplies for generators as “blackmail” to force the authorities in Belarus to resolve the problem. However it happened, the electricity was restored in time and the nuclear fuel never came close to overheating.

All in all, the trench digging and other dubious activities posed a far lower risk than the waste pool, and most of that to the Russian soldiers themselves, Mr. Simyonov said, adding wryly: “We invite them back to dig more trenches here, if they want.”

Poldi112 je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:25 izjavil:

Avtogol? Putin je preprečil, da mu zahod iz Ukrajine naredi sovražno provinco imperija. Da bo cena visoka, mu je bilo jasno.

Nihče pa še kar ni razložil, kaj točno je bila njegova alternativa? Na kakšen bolj racionalen način bi lahko dosegel preprečitev vstopa Ukrajine v NATO?

Z vojno je Putin zagotovil da de-facto je Ukrajina za vedno Rusiji sovrazna "provinca". Pokazalo se je tudi da to da neka drzava ni tehnicno v NATU Rusiji kaj dosti ne pomaga, ce je pa drzava prijatelj NATA.

Biden je pa prakticno javno Putinu ponujal alternativo full-scale vojni ko mu je rekel da bodo sankcije odvisne od tega koliko mocno bo napadel. S tem mu je namignil da bi bile sankcije precej manjse, ce bi Putin udrl zgolj v tiste dve seperatisticni regiji in iz tam zacel raketirati. Dokler bi v tistih regijah ble Ruske enote Ukrajine ne bi mogla v NATO, vse za ceno dokaj majhnih sankcij in precej manjsih vojaskih zgub. Tak da ja alternativa full-scale vojni za Putina je bila na dlani, pa je ni zagrabil in je s tem naredil zgodovinsko Rusko napako.

Nope, brez vojne bi šla Ukrajina slej kot prej v NATO, s čimer bi bila "za vedno" sovražna ruska provinca.

Medtem ko samo sovražnost lahko brez silnih težav sanirajo v generaciji ali dveh.

NATO z razpadom Varšavskega pakta nima več razloga za obstoj. Da ruse moti prodor sovražne vojske proti njihovim mejam pa tudi ni ravno presenečenje. Kdo pri zdravi pameti tega ne bi dojemal kot grožnjo?

Politico o poveljniku generalštaba in posredno reformah v ukrajinski vojski i šire.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/0...

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If a single person can be credited with Ukraine’s surprising military successes so far — protecting Kyiv, the capital, and holding most other major cities amid an onslaught — it is Zaluzhnyy, a round-faced 48-year-old general who was born into a military family, and appointed as his country’s top uniformed commander by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in July 2021. Zaluzhnny and other Ukrainian commanders had been preparing for a full-on war with Russia since 2014.

Unlike, say, “Stormin’” Norman Schwarzkopf, who led U.S. troops in the first Persian Gulf War, or David Petraeus, who presided over the Iraq war and was nicknamed “King David,” Zaluzhnyy has largely avoided the spectacle of a celebrity commander — deferring that role to Zelenskyy, a former actor and comedian who has captured the public’s imagination.

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“I can probably talk about [Zaluzhnyy] not just as a single person but as a representative of the new generation of Ukrainian military — senior, middle level and even low level officers,” said Oleksiy Melnyk, a former Ukrainian air force officer who is now co-director of foreign relations and international security programs at the Razumkov Centre, a Kyiv-based think tank.

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That training and battlefield experience against the Russians and their separatist proxies in Donbas allowed commanders of small, dispersed units to think for themselves, overturning the old Soviet model of top-down leadership that has paralyzed Russian units and forced top generals to venture to the front lines, where several have been killed.

“The Ukrainians are able to stay nimble,” a U.S. defense official told POLITICO, who like other current and former U.S. military officials requested anonymity to discuss assessments of how the war is going, and Ukrainian capabilities. Since 2014, Ukrainians “can better adapt and react with initiative in a way that it could not before,” the official said, adding that flexibility has been a game-changer so far against a Russian onslaught that has fielded “a larger, more capable force — who is all about its rigid plan.”

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“We want to move away from maps — from writing battle orders of, say, 1943,” Zaluzhnyy said in the ArmyInform interview.

The irony, however, is that Zaluzhnyy is now fighting an enemy that, in some respects at least, often looks more 1943 than it does 2022.

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A former U.S. special forces officer, who saw the change in Ukrainian special operations forces over the years, said by 2020, the Ukrainian commandos “looked, smelled and tasted like Western SoF.”

The searing, daily combat experience in Donbas over the past eight years has meant that those troops closest to the fight saw first hand how individual initiative in small unit combat is key.

Those young soldiers and their officers “were the ones burned from the experience and [who] realized ‘hey, we can’t have everything go to the general before we make a decision,’”

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Zaluzhnyy has said that the Ukrainian military is filled with young, professional soldiers and future leaders. “These are completely different people — not like us when we were lieutenants. These are new sprouts that will completely change the army in five years. Almost everyone knows a foreign language well, works well with gadgets, they are well-read,” he told ArmyInform. “New sergeants. These are not scapegoats, as in the Russian army, for example, but real helpers who will soon replace officers.”

“We have already started this movement, and there is no way back,” he added. “Even society will not allow us to return to the army in 2013.”

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The thousands of Javelin, Stinger, Panzerfaust and other anti-armor and air missiles provided by NATO countries have become a staple of social media feeds, spawning memes, t-shirts and music videos, but the cultural changes within the Ukrainian military have arguably made a bigger impact on the battlefield. NATO exercises have been a key element in the relentless work to eliminate any trace of “Sovok” thinking — the Soviet mentality that left a legacy of corruption and complacency, and which persisted for nearly a quarter-century after independence.

“Their infantry, artillery, innovative skill and being able to use drones and synchronize them was pretty impressive,” said a former U.S. officer who has made multiple trips to Ukraine to advise the military, and who requested anonymity to speak about the training mission. “Their special forces and airborne forces were excellent. There was a part of me, that when I first got there, that made me think they were more Soviet than even the Russian army. But over time, you could see the change.”

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“NATO tactics [and] the training were adjusted to the Ukrainian realities — and that’s why it has produced quite an impressive result,” Melnyk said. “We saw Russians moving these huge columns … it looks like World War II tactics. Instead, Ukrainians used the advantage — they knew the terrain. They have these mobile units and strike and hit.”

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Over the years, Zaluzhnyy made no secret of his push for greater financing and other public support for the military. But during the war, his main request of political leaders has been to stay out of the way and let the soldiers do their work — and especially not to raise public doubts about the course of the war.

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While the commander in chief has sought to avoid any celebrity star status, the success so far in pushing back the Russian invaders makes it inevitable that he will enter Ukrainian military lore as a historic figure. And a recent patriotic video even suggested a nickname that in Ukrainian rhymes as well as Stormin’ Norman: Zalizni Nezlamnyy Zaluzhnyy — “Iron Unbreakable” Zaluzhnyy.

TezkoDihanje je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:49 izjavil:

Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.

Kaj je smisel sankcij:


https://mobile.twitter.com/GarlandNixon...

mackilla je 8. apr 2022 ob 21:49 izjavil:

MojaDežela je 8. apr 2022 ob 21:46 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 8. apr 2022 ob 21:23 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15...
#Ukraine: A Russian tank was hit by the Ukrainian forces and started to burn. The subsequent detonation of ammunition onboard tore the tank apart.

WTF!! -kako ga je razfu.alo-uau-kot v PC game: call of duty!

Assault squad 2

Vidim, da živite v virtualnem svetu. Dobro za vas, dokler vam bo uspevalo.

Malidelničar je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:22 izjavil:

Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.

Pojma nimaš kaj se je dogajalo pred 2013 na V UA!

TezkoDihanje je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:49 izjavil:

sparklyslo je 9. apr 2022 ob 08:46 izjavil:

Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only

Ne pozabit, da so se ruski vojaki še dva tedna nazaj začeli vkopavat severno od Kieva.
Ta ukaz o umiku okoli Kieva je prišel nenadno, pa tudi umik je bil kaotičen, saj so pustili en kup pokvarjene in delujoče opreme za sabo.

Po planu:

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/statu...
One thing about the Hostomel Airfield — Russians dug up really hard.
Lots of trenches and BMP scrapes dug within the facility and on the edges, one can see that.
Up to the final moment in late March, they were supposed to stay for a long static war.

Chalky je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Kako je ameriški vojaški industrijski kompleks izkoristil trenutno dogajanje v Ukrajini in zagnal svoj vojaški stroj. Spodaj nekaj primerov:

Germany to buy 35 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets from U.S. amid Ukraine crisis
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...

Canada to Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/03...

$6 billion tank deal to Poland cleared by State Department
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0...

Finland Inks $9.4 Billion Deal To Buy 64 F-35 Stealth Fighters
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-...

Poland inks $4.6 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...

Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia's war speeds procurements
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro...

Spain cleared to buy $950M worth of MH-60R helicopters
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/spa...

BREAKING: US formally approves Bulgaria's purchase of F-16 jets, in a deal worth $1.6 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approv...

Biden giving Slovakia a Patriot missile system after it donates S-300 system to Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

Pictured: US Patriot Missile launchers installed at Polish airport just 50 miles from Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

Biden signs spending bill that includes $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ai...

Germany looks to buy Israeli or U.S. missile defence system
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...

NATO Commander Increases Prediction to 550 F-35s in Europe by 2030
https://www.airforcemag.com/nato-comman...

US expands global arms export gap over No. 2 seller Russia: Report
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...

Še nekaj posledic za Rusijo:

1. Verjetno se bosta tako Švedska kot Finska kmalu priključili NATU
2. Ameriški vojaški proračun za FY23 bo verjetno koli $850 milijard
3. Že zdaj je v Evropi preko 100.000 ameriških vojakov, razmišljajo še o dodatnem povečanju
4. Vojaški izdatki NATA se bodo v prihodnjih letih konkretno dvignili


Verjetno sem pozabil še en kup stvari. Poleg tega zgoraj nisem vštel trenutnega orožja ki prihaja v Ukrajino. Senat je mesec dni nazaj sprejel skoraj 15 milijard dolarjev pomoči za Ukrajino. Američanom se v ta konflikt ne bo potrebno spuščati direktno.

Pozabil si se eno stvar, katere ti MSM ne servirajo. Ta vojna je win-win za usa. EU se mora ukvarjati z drugimi stvarmi, kot z gospodarskim razvojem, usa pa bodo prodala ogromno orožja. Usa so si podaljšala nadvlado na svetu za nekaj let. Tako da, njim se hujskaštvo in zavajanje obrestuje.

cias je 9. apr 2022 ob 10:00 izjavil:

Kdo se oglaša, kje maš Trump pee posnetke....

Stari, jaz tvojega govna ne berem več. Dobili smo te večkrat z lažmi, tako da samo GTFO.

Invictus je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:10 izjavil:

Dejstvo pa je, da je precej teh videov zrežiranih, tako na eni kot drugi strani..

Za dejstva je treba dat kakšne dokaze... take velike stvari IRL se ne da zrežirat.
Rusi so se direktno zlagali, da teh raket nimajo več, čeprav so bile posnete z "V" oznakami na železnici. Imajo jih pa tudi LDNRjevci.

fikus_ je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:57 izjavil:

Malidelničar je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:22 izjavil:

Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.

Pojma nimaš kaj se je dogajalo pred 2013 na V UA!

A kaj se je dogajalo v Kijevu 2013 na Evromajdanu?

24ur spet nabija...in onemogocijo komentarje seveda.

Ko je bila na postaji za tri dni prekinjena oskrba z električno energijo, je Valerij povedal, da se je trudil najti gorivo, da bi generator vendarle deloval. Na koncu je nekaj goriva ukradel kar Rusom.

"Lahko bi se zgodila katastrofa," je pojasnil Oleksandr. "Radioaktivni material bi se lahko sprostil. Posledice tega pa si lahko predstavljate. Nisem se bal za svoje življenje. Bal sem se, kaj se bo zgodilo, če ne bom tam in ne bom spremljal elektrarne. Bal sem se tragedije za človeštvo."

https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/ukra...

cias je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:50 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 9. apr 2022 ob 09:49 izjavil:

Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.

Kaj je smisel sankcij:

Cias alias ko ti je cena čebule več kot človeško življenje in manj kot ruski fašizem.

cias je 9. apr 2022 ob 10:20 izjavil:

Aston_11 je 9. apr 2022 ob 10:17 izjavil:

Cias alias ko ti je cena čebule več kot človeško življenje in manj kot ruski fašizem.

A Ameriko pa izrael bojkotiraš?

Cias, tvoji fejki nimajo smisla. Tudi doma tako lažeš?

FireSnake je 9. apr 2022 ob 10:08 izjavil:

Ali še komu ni jasno kdo je boter vsemu temu?
Usekom je vojna v Evropi v interesu!

Ameriški agent Vladimir Putin, ki ga je za svojega naslednika lastnoročno izbral ameriški agent Boris Jelcin?



video, 3 minute

https://twitter.com/bbcworldservice/sta...

"The silence in Chernihiv is scary."
Chernihiv was under constant attack from Russian forces – until suddenly, a few days ago, they withdrew. One young artist, Juli, documented it all.

Aston_11 je 9. apr 2022 ob 10:22 izjavil:

Cias, tvoji fejki nimajo smisla. Tudi doma tako lažeš?

Kaj, a to je zadnji update za vas NPCje? Lažeš je sedaj argument, konec debate.

OK.