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Ukrajina Part II
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WizzardOfOZ ::
sparklyslo je izjavil:
WizzardOfOZ je izjavil:
Vseeno pa je tam kar nekaj milijonov civilistov, ki so ukrajinski rusi.
A morajo sedaj čakat, da bodo do njih prišli in jih pobili, mučili, posilili,...?
Ja, ta situacija je slaba za tam živeče ruse. Ti ljudje si niso želeli vojne, vojno so k njim pripeljali. Pa ni bilo PR-ja, kot je v Biči, pa drugje po ukrajini.
Potem bi Ruska vojska sla v Dombas in tam pomagala civilistom.
Ne, Putler si je zaželel cele Ukrajine, nastaviti marionetno vlado, ki bo sovražila ukrajince in početi vse to, kar ti razlagaš da se ne sme v Donbasu. Klanje otrok v okolici Kijeva za dosego ciljev v Dombasu? Odlična taktika za ljubitelje nacistov.
Ok, vidim da niti ne prebereš kaj drugi pišemo. Kaj si je putin zamislil, je irelevantno. Povedali smo in vsi se strinjamo, da so ruski vojaki v ukrajini agresorji. In tukaj lahko končamo. Pač jih je treba obsodit in konec.
Odgovori pa na vprašanje, kaj so ukrajinski rusi, civilisti, v donbasu?
Milčinski je napisal butalce kot prispodobo in ne kot priročnik!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
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Poldi112 ::
Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima
Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?
Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?
Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
TezkoDihanje ::
https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
Russia accused the SBU of preparing a provocation at a chemical plant that has not existed for 10 years
https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
the plant exists only on maps: it has long been closed, the buildings of the workshops have been demolished, the railway tracks to them have been dismantled.
Russia accused the SBU of preparing a provocation at a chemical plant that has not existed for 10 years
https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
the plant exists only on maps: it has long been closed, the buildings of the workshops have been demolished, the railway tracks to them have been dismantled.
WizzardOfOZ ::
WizzardOfOZ je izjavil:
Za američane sem prepričan, da bi premislili, za ruse pa nisem več tok prepričan. Glede na to kaj počnejo, niti ne razmišljajo.
Ti jamraš čez JJ, medtem Slovaška
Transport slovenského systému S-300 na Ukrajinu
Jap, znebil se bodo stare ruske tehnike in nabavili novejšo iz amerike. No harm.
Milčinski je napisal butalce kot prispodobo in ne kot priročnik!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
TezkoDihanje ::
WizzardOfOZ je izjavil:
Jap, znebil se bodo stare ruske tehnike in nabavili novejšo iz amerike. No harm.
S-300 je začasno v Ukrajini, Patrioti pa začasno na Slovaškem.
MojaDežela ::
Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima
Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?
Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?
Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.
Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )
Poldi112 ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
No pa zakaj so baltske drzave (nekdanje ruske) in mejijo na rusijo v NATU od 2004? In tud UA je želela saj je vecina naroda bila za to in slutila kaksno sranje znajo narediti njimi in ze stoletje vedo kaksna je ruska politika...ampak biznis s plinom je to zaviral in diplomacija...
Baltske države so v NATO, ker rusi tega niso bili sposobni preprečiti - NATO jih je na suho nategnil, ko so bili na hrbtu.
No, sedaj imajo moč preprečiti nadaljnje širitve. Kar so tudi jasno pokazali že 2008, pa 2014, ...
MojaDežela je izjavil:
Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )
Kakšno basen? Saj američani že stoletje igranjo isto igro, kot prej stoletja pred njimi predhodni imperialisti. Samo eni mislite, da je danes "vse drugače", ker je CNN tako rekel.
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Ne, Putler si je zaželel cele Ukrajine, nastaviti marionetno vlado, ki bo sovražila ukrajince in početi vse to, kar ti razlagaš da se ne sme v Donbasu. Klanje otrok v okolici Kijeva za dosego ciljev v Dombasu? Odlična taktika za ljubitelje nacistov.
Si nismo več ali manj enotni, da nima moči držati cele Ukrajine? In kaj bo imel od tega? Ter če ima take imperialne težnje, zakaj je v preteklosti po zmagah jemal tako malo ozemlja? Kot da bi želel zgolj pokazati, da se ne šali.
To je spet ena taka osnovnošolska, ko predpostaviš, da je Putin zabit in ne ve, kaj dela, zato ga je potrebno ustaviti, preden se s svojo nevednostjo prebije do Lizbone?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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sir_mha ::
Osem let vojne, vojaško zavzetje in aneksijo Krima
Vojaško zavzetje? Koliko žrtev je imela ta vojaška akcija v primerjavi z naprimer Kosovom?
Ter od kje ukrajinskemu komiku ideja, da bo v prihodnosti "osvobodil" Krim izpod 10x močnejše rusije?
Z glavo skozi zid, potem pa jokati, da ti je medvet odtrgal glavo, ker si ga drezal s palico. Tudi če ti medved sem ter tja pobije par ovac je precej iracionalno, da jih braniš, če nimaš moči, da ga nalomiš.
Ti, jaz ne vem, kako bo v prihodnosti, se mi zdi normalno, da predsednik države ne odstopa od suverenosti glede svoje države, ozemlja. Verjetno imava drugačen pogled na razvoj dogodkov, ampak z vsakim dnem se mi zdi bolj jasno, kdo se je v tem spopadu zakalkurilal. Kaj pa bo Putinu ta požgana zemlja, s tem da je Rusija ena najmanj poseljenih držav. Kako je bilo na Kosovu, smo pa videl, ko so Srbi začel s čišenjem in poboji v posameznih albanskih vaseh ... še več je takih primerov v zgodovini, ko je manjši nasprotnik v vojni zmagal.
MojaDežela ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
No pa zakaj so baltske drzave (nekdanje ruske) in mejijo na rusijo v NATU od 2004? In tud UA je želela saj je vecina naroda bila za to in slutila kaksno sranje znajo narediti njimi in ze stoletje vedo kaksna je ruska politika...ampak biznis s plinom je to zaviral in diplomacija...
Baltske države so v NATO, ker rusi tega niso bili sposobni preprečiti - NATO jih je na suho nategnil, ko so bili na hrbtu.
No, sedaj imajo moč preprečiti nadaljnje širitve. Kar so tudi jasno pokazali že 2008, pa 2014, ...
MojaDežela je izjavil:
Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )
Kakšno basen? Saj američani že stoletje igranjo isto igro, kot prej stoletja pred njimi predhodni imperialisti. Samo eni mislite, da je danes "vse drugače", ker je CNN tako rekel.
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Ne, Putler si je zaželel cele Ukrajine, nastaviti marionetno vlado, ki bo sovražila ukrajince in početi vse to, kar ti razlagaš da se ne sme v Donbasu. Klanje otrok v okolici Kijeva za dosego ciljev v Dombasu? Odlična taktika za ljubitelje nacistov.
Si nismo več ali manj enotni, da nima moči držati cele Ukrajine? In kaj bo imel od tega? Ter če ima take imperialne težnje, zakaj je v preteklosti po zmagah jemal tako malo ozemlja? Kot da bi želel zgolj pokazati, da se ne šali.
To je spet ena taka osnovnošolska, ko predpostaviš, da je Putin zabit in ne ve, kaj dela, zato ga je potrebno ustaviti, preden se s svojo nevednostjo prebije do Lizbone?
In kaj zdaj dela verodostojen kremeljski medij? svoje ovčice krmi da se branijo pred Ukrajinci..haha
A ko je CNN prvi objavil ISiS grozote..so tudi antiamerikanci govorili da je to prikazovanje pretiravanje in evo prisli teroristi pred vrata Evrope
sparklyslo ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
No pa zakaj so baltske drzave (nekdanje ruske) in mejijo na rusijo v NATU od 2004? In tud UA je želela saj je vecina naroda bila za to in slutila kaksno sranje znajo narediti njimi in ze stoletje vedo kaksna je ruska politika...ampak biznis s plinom je to zaviral in diplomacija...
Baltske države so v NATO, ker rusi tega niso bili sposobni preprečiti - NATO jih je na suho nategnil, ko so bili na hrbtu.
No, sedaj imajo moč preprečiti nadaljnje širitve. Kar so tudi jasno pokazali že 2008, pa 2014, ...
MojaDežela je izjavil:
Haha- basen primerjat z Ruskukrajinskim sporom oz povodom za vojno - res smo živali....se vidi po tv (z vzroki in posledicami.. )
Kakšno basen? Saj američani že stoletje igranjo isto igro, kot prej stoletja pred njimi predhodni imperialisti. Samo eni mislite, da je danes "vse drugače", ker je CNN tako rekel.
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Ne, Putler si je zaželel cele Ukrajine, nastaviti marionetno vlado, ki bo sovražila ukrajince in početi vse to, kar ti razlagaš da se ne sme v Donbasu. Klanje otrok v okolici Kijeva za dosego ciljev v Dombasu? Odlična taktika za ljubitelje nacistov.
Si nismo več ali manj enotni, da nima moči držati cele Ukrajine? In kaj bo imel od tega? Ter če ima take imperialne težnje, zakaj je v preteklosti po zmagah jemal tako malo ozemlja? Kot da bi želel zgolj pokazati, da se ne šali.
To je spet ena taka osnovnošolska, ko predpostaviš, da je Putin zabit in ne ve, kaj dela, zato ga je potrebno ustaviti, preden se s svojo nevednostjo prebije do Lizbone?
Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only
Pac-Man ::
WizzardOfOZ je izjavil:
Ampak najbolj bo pa nastradalo več milijonov ukrajinskih rusov, ki tam živijo.
Drži. Ampak s strani Rusije, ki ruši Harkiv in Mariupol, kjer je njihova največja koncentracija.
Operacijo predstavljajo kot reševanje talcev, implementacija je pa bližje bombardiranju Dresdna.
Dajmo za primer tale štikl. Pevec je čisti ukr, ne?
No, tole je njegova biografija
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0...
Sergey Nikolaevich Babkin ( born November 7, 1978 , Kharkiv ) - Ukrainian musician, actor, author and performer of his own songs. Member of the band 5'nizza .
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After the start Russian-Ukrainian war, he continued to perform actively in Russia and Ukraine (in particular, in the Russian-occupied Crimea): as part of the 5'nizza with Andriy Zaporozhets , and solo. In his speeches, he repeatedly stated that he was "out of politics and out of war" and did not consider Russia an aggressor [1] .
He explained his performances in Russia and the occupied Crimea as "victory", when "10,000 people in the center of Moscow sing in Ukrainian." According to Babkin, he speaks in Russia not for politicians but for listeners [2] .
Because of this, his position is often condemned, in particular, on October 7, 2017, the planned concert in Lviv was canceled [3] , when activists blocked the concert hall [4] . This happened after the musician refused to confirm the fact that Russia is the aggressor [5] . Later, Serhiy will explain that he is a "patriot of his country", but instead he is "not given freedom" [6] .
After repeated accusations of the singer's political stance and the cancellation of several concerts due to the actions of patriotic activists, Serhiy publicly stated that he "considers the Russian government an aggressor" and "Crimea - the occupied territory of Ukraine" [7] . This was done in October 2017, when activists of the Right Sector and " Freedom " staged a picket near the concert hall in the Dnieper with demands to express their views and cancel performances in Russia [8] .
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Rušenje največjih koncentracij njihovih kompatriotov je za Rusijo čisti avtogol. Jih sicer najdeš par, ki so dovolj oprani, da bodo za vse krivili vedno in samo Ukrajino, ampak IMO je večina precej bolj adekvatnih.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
TezkoDihanje ::
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only
Ne pozabit, da so se ruski vojaki še dva tedna nazaj začeli vkopavat severno od Kieva.
Ta ukaz o umiku okoli Kieva je prišel nenadno, pa tudi umik je bil kaotičen, saj so pustili en kup pokvarjene in delujoče opreme za sabo.
2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme
prej 4000
MojaDežela ::
Putin se osmešil v skrajnem zargonu zajhebal ker ni racunal na Eu povezanost v skupnem staliscu obsodbe in reakcij-sankcij
In vidi se dokaz na gladovanju VS tricert predsttavnikov držav jih obsodilo....kaj teh tricert je bilo tud nalaganih, slu pijanih, ali brez razuma?
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Diktatorji do pač skupaj držali - so glafovali proti.
In vidi se dokaz na gladovanju VS tricert predsttavnikov držav jih obsodilo....kaj teh tricert je bilo tud nalaganih, slu pijanih, ali brez razuma?
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Diktatorji do pač skupaj držali - so glafovali proti.
tikitoki ::
Scaramouche je izjavil:
Te pravljice vam forsira ruska propaganda.
Članek je napisal Američan!
In kdo je že vrgel dve, v vojni?
Misliš,da obstaja skrivni ameriški načrt,da napadejo Rusijo z jedrskim orožjem? Manjka jim še samo zadnji kos sestavljanke in to je Ukrajina s katere bodo začeli napad? Kako mislijo to izvesti brez,da bi jim Rusi vrnili? A bodo zbombardirali vsa ruska izstrelišča v enem napadu? Vse silose in mobilne platforme ter podmornice jim bodo uničili brez,da bi Rusi odreagirali?
Sej so lepo razlozili. Iz ukrajine prileti raketa eno minu prej, to je ravno dovolj, da putin ne more izdati ukaza za povracilni napada. Sah mat:)
MojaDežela ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
Putin se osmešil v skrajnem zargonu zajhebal ker ni racunal na Eu povezanost v skupnem staliscu obsodbe in reakcij-sankcij
In vidi se dokaz na gladovanju VS tricert predsttavnikov držav jih obsodilo....kaj teh tricert je bilo tud nalaganih, slu pijanih, ali brez razuma?
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Diktatorji do pač skupaj držali - so glafovali proti.
Tiskarski škrat...f in d zamenjat s s...
clancy ::
To je vojna:
https://www.logicno.com/politika/objavl...
Ni za tiste s slabim želodcem.
Za tiste, ki govorijo kako so Ukrajinci nedolžni, lepo delajo z zajetimi ipd.
Še glede mrtvih Rusov: ruske mame so rekle, da bi prišle same po trupla, pa jim ne pustijo.
Zelenski laže po nareku usekov.
Raja pa trpi.
Ne opravičujem nobenih vojnih zločinov, ampak ali niso ti Ruski vojaki padli v boju iz zasede Ukrajincev? In tisto streljanje na ležečega Ruskega vojaka... ali ni bil brez glave in se je telo le refleksno premikalo?
Mislim, da je to dejanje le kapljica v morje proti zločinom, ki jih Rusi izvajajo nad Ukrajinskimi civilisti in se sploh ne da primerjati. Sedaj pa rusofili delate takšen halo okrog tega.
Invictus ::
Dokazati se da samo to, da so mrtvi civilisti.
Kdo jih je pobil, še po orožju ne moreš ugotoviti, saj uporabljajo enako orožje.
Dejstvo pa je, da je precej teh videov zrežiranih, tako na eni kot drugi strani.
Edini skupni imenovalec je mrtev civilist.
Rusija se je z napadom malo uštela, Zelenski je pa navaden vojni hujkaš, ki mastno služi na račun lastnega naroda. Kot že zadnja leta vladanja. Če ne bi težil v NATO, in priznal rusko manjšino, se to sploh ne bi zgodilo. Tako Putina kot Zelenskega bi morali dati v kako drugo stanje...
Kdo jih je pobil, še po orožju ne moreš ugotoviti, saj uporabljajo enako orožje.
Dejstvo pa je, da je precej teh videov zrežiranih, tako na eni kot drugi strani.
Edini skupni imenovalec je mrtev civilist.
Rusija se je z napadom malo uštela, Zelenski je pa navaden vojni hujkaš, ki mastno služi na račun lastnega naroda. Kot že zadnja leta vladanja. Če ne bi težil v NATO, in priznal rusko manjšino, se to sploh ne bi zgodilo. Tako Putina kot Zelenskega bi morali dati v kako drugo stanje...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
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Malidelničar ::
Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.
Next stop: Belarus.
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.
Poldi112 ::
Ti, jaz ne vem, kako bo v prihodnosti, se mi zdi normalno, da predsednik države ne odstopa od suverenosti glede svoje države, ozemlja. Verjetno imava drugačen pogled na razvoj dogodkov, ampak z vsakim dnem se mi zdi bolj jasno, kdo se je v tem spopadu zakalkurilal. Kaj pa bo Putinu ta požgana zemlja, s tem da je Rusija ena najmanj poseljenih držav.
A smo še kar pri pravljicah, da je Ukrajina suverena država? Misliš, da so sposobni vojaško izgnati ruse? Ker če niso, pač niso suvereni in bodo slej ko prej sprejeli, karkoli jim bodo rusi ponudili. Alternativa je pa, da se branijo, in jih nato rusi zbombardirajo v srednji vek, nakar nov val beguncev preplavi in dodatno destabilizira evropo.
Ter zakaj bi se Putin zakalkuliral? Ne glede na to, kako slabo gre vojaška akcija (kar je močno dvomljivo) - mar ni za Putnia požgana zemlja neprimerno boljši razplet, kot NATO?
Malidelničar je izjavil:
Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.
Nope - zahod je zrušil vlado in nastavil svojo lutko, ki je nato začela z močno antirusko držo in kratenjem pravic rusov v Ukrajini. Ki so se posledično uprli vladi, ki jo smatrajo za nelegitimno.
Oz. kot je rekla Victoria Nuland - fuck EU. Mission accomplished.
Avtogol? Putin je preprečil, da mu zahod iz Ukrajine naredi sovražno provinco imperija. Da bo cena visoka, mu je bilo jasno.
Nihče pa še kar ni razložil, kaj točno je bila njegova alternativa? Na kakšen bolj racionalen način bi lahko dosegel preprečitev vstopa Ukrajine v NATO?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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Pac-Man ::
NYT iz Černobila, fotke na povezavi
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/worl...
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“We told them not to do it, that it was dangerous, but they ignored us,” Valeriy Simyonov, the chief safety engineer for the Chernobyl nuclear site, said in an interview.
Apparently undeterred by safety concerns, the Russian forces tramped about the grounds with bulldozers and tanks, digging trenches and bunkers — and exposing themselves to potentially harmful doses of radiation lingering beneath the surface.
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At just one site of extensive trenching a few hundred yards outside the town of Chernobyl, the Russian army had dug an elaborate maze of sunken walkways and bunkers. An abandoned armored personnel carrier sat nearby.
The soldiers had apparently camped out for weeks in the radioactive forest. While international nuclear safety experts say they have not confirmed any cases of radiation sickness among the soldiers, the cancers and other potential health problems associated with radiation exposure might not develop until decades later.
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Mr. Simyonov said that the Russian military had deployed officers from a nuclear, biological and chemical unit, as well as experts from Rosatom, Russia’s state nuclear power company, who consulted with the Ukrainian scientists.
But the Russian nuclear experts seemed to hold little sway over the army commanders, he said. The military men seemed more preoccupied with planning the assault on Kyiv and, after that failed, using Chernobyl as an escape route to Belarus for their badly mauled troops.
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In a particularly ill-advised action, a Russian soldier from a chemical, biological and nuclear protection unit picked up a source of cobalt-60 at one waste storage site with his bare hands, exposing himself to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a Geiger counter, Mr. Simyonov said. It was not clear what happened to the man, he said.
The most concerning moment, Mr. Simyonov said, came in mid-March, when electrical power was cut to a cooling pool that stores spent nuclear fuel rods that contain many times more radioactive material than was dispersed in the 1986 catastrophe.
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The march to Kyiv on the western bank of the Dnipro River began and ended in Chernobyl for the 31st and 36th Combined Arms Armies of the Russian military, which traveled with an auxiliary of special forces and ethnic Chechen combatants.
...
As they retreated from Chernobyl, Russian troops blew up a bridge in the exclusion zone and planted a dense maze of anti-personnel mines, trip wires and booby traps around the defunct station. Two Ukrainian soldiers have stepped on mines in the past week, according to the Ukrainian government agency that manages the site.
In a bizarre final sign of the unit’s misadventures, Ukrainian soldiers found discarded appliances and electronic goods on roads in the Chernobyl zone. These were apparently looted from towns deeper inside Ukraine and cast off for unclear reasons in the final retreat. Reporters found one washing machine on a road shoulder just outside the town of Chernobyl.
...
During the occupation, Russian soldiers searched the apartments of nuclear technicians and engineers, firefighters and support staff in the town of Chernobyl. “They took valuable items” from apartments, she said, but there was little violence.
Workers tried to caution the Russians about radiation risks, to little avail.
...
Armored vehicles that run on treads, rather than wheels, pose the primary risk for radiation safety in a wider area, as they churn up the radioactive soil and spread it into areas of Belarus and Russia as they retreat, Ms. Pavlova said. “The next person who comes along can be contaminated,” she said.
While the five-day cutoff in electricity did not lead to any disasters, it was still cause for enormous anxiety among the plant’s operators, said Sergei Makluk, a shift supervisor interviewed at the nuclear station on Thursday evening.
The backup generators that kicked in require about 18,000 gallons of diesel fuel a day. In the first days, Russian officers assured plant employees that they would have enough fuel, drawn from the supplies being trucked in for armored vehicles in the fighting in the Kyiv suburbs, Mr. Makluk said. But by the fifth day, with the military’s well-documented logistical problems, the officers said they would no longer supply the diesel.
“They said, ‘There’s not enough fuel for the front,’” and that a power cable leading to Belarus should be used to draw electricity from the Belarusian grid to cool the waste pool instead.
Mr. Simyonov, the chief safety engineer, characterized the threat to halt diesel supplies for generators as “blackmail” to force the authorities in Belarus to resolve the problem. However it happened, the electricity was restored in time and the nuclear fuel never came close to overheating.
All in all, the trench digging and other dubious activities posed a far lower risk than the waste pool, and most of that to the Russian soldiers themselves, Mr. Simyonov said, adding wryly: “We invite them back to dig more trenches here, if they want.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/worl...
...
“We told them not to do it, that it was dangerous, but they ignored us,” Valeriy Simyonov, the chief safety engineer for the Chernobyl nuclear site, said in an interview.
Apparently undeterred by safety concerns, the Russian forces tramped about the grounds with bulldozers and tanks, digging trenches and bunkers — and exposing themselves to potentially harmful doses of radiation lingering beneath the surface.
...
At just one site of extensive trenching a few hundred yards outside the town of Chernobyl, the Russian army had dug an elaborate maze of sunken walkways and bunkers. An abandoned armored personnel carrier sat nearby.
The soldiers had apparently camped out for weeks in the radioactive forest. While international nuclear safety experts say they have not confirmed any cases of radiation sickness among the soldiers, the cancers and other potential health problems associated with radiation exposure might not develop until decades later.
...
Mr. Simyonov said that the Russian military had deployed officers from a nuclear, biological and chemical unit, as well as experts from Rosatom, Russia’s state nuclear power company, who consulted with the Ukrainian scientists.
But the Russian nuclear experts seemed to hold little sway over the army commanders, he said. The military men seemed more preoccupied with planning the assault on Kyiv and, after that failed, using Chernobyl as an escape route to Belarus for their badly mauled troops.
...
In a particularly ill-advised action, a Russian soldier from a chemical, biological and nuclear protection unit picked up a source of cobalt-60 at one waste storage site with his bare hands, exposing himself to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a Geiger counter, Mr. Simyonov said. It was not clear what happened to the man, he said.
The most concerning moment, Mr. Simyonov said, came in mid-March, when electrical power was cut to a cooling pool that stores spent nuclear fuel rods that contain many times more radioactive material than was dispersed in the 1986 catastrophe.
...
The march to Kyiv on the western bank of the Dnipro River began and ended in Chernobyl for the 31st and 36th Combined Arms Armies of the Russian military, which traveled with an auxiliary of special forces and ethnic Chechen combatants.
...
As they retreated from Chernobyl, Russian troops blew up a bridge in the exclusion zone and planted a dense maze of anti-personnel mines, trip wires and booby traps around the defunct station. Two Ukrainian soldiers have stepped on mines in the past week, according to the Ukrainian government agency that manages the site.
In a bizarre final sign of the unit’s misadventures, Ukrainian soldiers found discarded appliances and electronic goods on roads in the Chernobyl zone. These were apparently looted from towns deeper inside Ukraine and cast off for unclear reasons in the final retreat. Reporters found one washing machine on a road shoulder just outside the town of Chernobyl.
...
During the occupation, Russian soldiers searched the apartments of nuclear technicians and engineers, firefighters and support staff in the town of Chernobyl. “They took valuable items” from apartments, she said, but there was little violence.
Workers tried to caution the Russians about radiation risks, to little avail.
...
Armored vehicles that run on treads, rather than wheels, pose the primary risk for radiation safety in a wider area, as they churn up the radioactive soil and spread it into areas of Belarus and Russia as they retreat, Ms. Pavlova said. “The next person who comes along can be contaminated,” she said.
While the five-day cutoff in electricity did not lead to any disasters, it was still cause for enormous anxiety among the plant’s operators, said Sergei Makluk, a shift supervisor interviewed at the nuclear station on Thursday evening.
The backup generators that kicked in require about 18,000 gallons of diesel fuel a day. In the first days, Russian officers assured plant employees that they would have enough fuel, drawn from the supplies being trucked in for armored vehicles in the fighting in the Kyiv suburbs, Mr. Makluk said. But by the fifth day, with the military’s well-documented logistical problems, the officers said they would no longer supply the diesel.
“They said, ‘There’s not enough fuel for the front,’” and that a power cable leading to Belarus should be used to draw electricity from the Belarusian grid to cool the waste pool instead.
Mr. Simyonov, the chief safety engineer, characterized the threat to halt diesel supplies for generators as “blackmail” to force the authorities in Belarus to resolve the problem. However it happened, the electricity was restored in time and the nuclear fuel never came close to overheating.
All in all, the trench digging and other dubious activities posed a far lower risk than the waste pool, and most of that to the Russian soldiers themselves, Mr. Simyonov said, adding wryly: “We invite them back to dig more trenches here, if they want.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Chalky ::
Kako je ameriški vojaški industrijski kompleks izkoristil trenutno dogajanje v Ukrajini in zagnal svoj vojaški stroj. Spodaj nekaj primerov:
Germany to buy 35 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets from U.S. amid Ukraine crisis
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
Canada to Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/03...
$6 billion tank deal to Poland cleared by State Department
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0...
Finland Inks $9.4 Billion Deal To Buy 64 F-35 Stealth Fighters
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-...
Poland inks $4.6 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia's war speeds procurements
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro...
Spain cleared to buy $950M worth of MH-60R helicopters
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/spa...
BREAKING: US formally approves Bulgaria's purchase of F-16 jets, in a deal worth $1.6 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approv...
Biden giving Slovakia a Patriot missile system after it donates S-300 system to Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Pictured: US Patriot Missile launchers installed at Polish airport just 50 miles from Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Biden signs spending bill that includes $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ai...
Germany looks to buy Israeli or U.S. missile defence system
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
NATO Commander Increases Prediction to 550 F-35s in Europe by 2030
https://www.airforcemag.com/nato-comman...
US expands global arms export gap over No. 2 seller Russia: Report
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Še nekaj posledic za Rusijo:
1. Verjetno se bosta tako Švedska kot Finska kmalu priključili NATU
2. Ameriški vojaški proračun za FY23 bo verjetno koli $850 milijard
3. Že zdaj je v Evropi preko 100.000 ameriških vojakov, razmišljajo še o dodatnem povečanju
4. Vojaški izdatki NATA se bodo v prihodnjih letih konkretno dvignili
Verjetno sem pozabil še en kup stvari. Poleg tega zgoraj nisem vštel trenutnega orožja ki prihaja v Ukrajino. Senat je mesec dni nazaj sprejel skoraj 15 milijard dolarjev pomoči za Ukrajino. Američanom se v ta konflikt ne bo potrebno spuščati direktno.
Germany to buy 35 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets from U.S. amid Ukraine crisis
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
Canada to Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/03...
$6 billion tank deal to Poland cleared by State Department
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0...
Finland Inks $9.4 Billion Deal To Buy 64 F-35 Stealth Fighters
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-...
Poland inks $4.6 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia's war speeds procurements
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro...
Spain cleared to buy $950M worth of MH-60R helicopters
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/spa...
BREAKING: US formally approves Bulgaria's purchase of F-16 jets, in a deal worth $1.6 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approv...
Biden giving Slovakia a Patriot missile system after it donates S-300 system to Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Pictured: US Patriot Missile launchers installed at Polish airport just 50 miles from Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Biden signs spending bill that includes $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ai...
Germany looks to buy Israeli or U.S. missile defence system
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
NATO Commander Increases Prediction to 550 F-35s in Europe by 2030
https://www.airforcemag.com/nato-comman...
US expands global arms export gap over No. 2 seller Russia: Report
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Še nekaj posledic za Rusijo:
1. Verjetno se bosta tako Švedska kot Finska kmalu priključili NATU
2. Ameriški vojaški proračun za FY23 bo verjetno koli $850 milijard
3. Že zdaj je v Evropi preko 100.000 ameriških vojakov, razmišljajo še o dodatnem povečanju
4. Vojaški izdatki NATA se bodo v prihodnjih letih konkretno dvignili
Verjetno sem pozabil še en kup stvari. Poleg tega zgoraj nisem vštel trenutnega orožja ki prihaja v Ukrajino. Senat je mesec dni nazaj sprejel skoraj 15 milijard dolarjev pomoči za Ukrajino. Američanom se v ta konflikt ne bo potrebno spuščati direktno.
Lonsarg ::
Avtogol? Putin je preprečil, da mu zahod iz Ukrajine naredi sovražno provinco imperija. Da bo cena visoka, mu je bilo jasno.Z vojno je Putin zagotovil da de-facto je Ukrajina za vedno Rusiji sovrazna "provinca". Pokazalo se je tudi da to da neka drzava ni tehnicno v NATU Rusiji kaj dosti ne pomaga, ce je pa drzava prijatelj NATA.
Nihče pa še kar ni razložil, kaj točno je bila njegova alternativa? Na kakšen bolj racionalen način bi lahko dosegel preprečitev vstopa Ukrajine v NATO?
Biden je pa prakticno javno Putinu ponujal alternativo full-scale vojni ko mu je rekel da bodo sankcije odvisne od tega koliko mocno bo napadel. S tem mu je namignil da bi bile sankcije precej manjse, ce bi Putin udrl zgolj v tiste dve seperatisticni regiji in iz tam zacel raketirati. Dokler bi v tistih regijah ble Ruske enote Ukrajine ne bi mogla v NATO, vse za ceno dokaj majhnih sankcij in precej manjsih vojaskih zgub. Tak da ja alternativa full-scale vojni za Putina je bila na dlani, pa je ni zagrabil in je s tem naredil zgodovinsko Rusko napako.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Lonsarg ()
sir_mha ::
A smo še kar pri pravljicah, da je Ukrajina suverena država? Misliš, da so sposobni vojaško izgnati ruse? Ker če niso, pač niso suvereni in bodo slej ko prej sprejeli, karkoli jim bodo rusi ponudili. Alternativa je pa, da se branijo, in jih nato rusi zbombardirajo v srednji vek, nakar nov val beguncev preplavi in dodatno destabilizira evropo.
Rusija se je kar blamirala v tejle operaciji, to izjavljajo javno ruski mnenjski voditelji. Ne verjamem, da kdo še goji predstavo, da je to nekakšna vojaška velesila, magari drugorazredna. Trenutno se samo vsi ubadajo, kako s čim manj žrtev prebroditi obdobje do konca Putinove vlade, potem se bo pa na novo skalkuliralo vse skupaj.
Kako bo po vojni, kdaj bo sploh konec vojne, to zaenkrat nihče ne ve, zato se meni niti ne ljubi debatirat o tem. To je za "teoretike".
Rusija zaradi sankcij in vojnega izčrpavanja pluje proti srednjemu veku. Spet, tukaj ni veliko debat, torej da bi kdo tej tezi oporekal. Razen če ti v to šteješ rusko propagando. Evropa bo tudi čutila posledice, dejansko celi svet. To je neizogibno, za to ne obstaja rešitve, če se zgodi tak primer, da tako velika država v takem obsegu napade tudi veliko državo.
Ter zakaj bi se Putin zakalkuliral? Ne glede na to, kako slabo gre vojaška akcija (kar je močno dvomljivo) - mar ni za Putnia požgana zemlja neprimerno boljši razplet, kot NATO?
Kaj pa Putina moti NATO v Estoniji? Še bolje, kakšne težave imajo s tem Rusi, njihova ekonomija? Po eni strani argumentiraš zadeve iz pozicije amoralnega pragmatizma, na drugi pa sedaj opravičuješ masovno invazijo z interesnimi conami (oz karkoli, nisi preciziral).
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: sir_mha ()
Poldi112 ::
Nope, brez vojne bi šla Ukrajina slej kot prej v NATO, s čimer bi bila "za vedno" sovražna ruska provinca.
Medtem ko samo sovražnost lahko brez silnih težav sanirajo v generaciji ali dveh.
NATO z razpadom Varšavskega pakta nima več razloga za obstoj. Da ruse moti prodor sovražne vojske proti njihovim mejam pa tudi ni ravno presenečenje. Kdo pri zdravi pameti tega ne bi dojemal kot grožnjo?
Medtem ko samo sovražnost lahko brez silnih težav sanirajo v generaciji ali dveh.
NATO z razpadom Varšavskega pakta nima več razloga za obstoj. Da ruse moti prodor sovražne vojske proti njihovim mejam pa tudi ni ravno presenečenje. Kdo pri zdravi pameti tega ne bi dojemal kot grožnjo?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
Politico o poveljniku generalštaba in posredno reformah v ukrajinski vojski i šire.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/0...
...
If a single person can be credited with Ukraine’s surprising military successes so far — protecting Kyiv, the capital, and holding most other major cities amid an onslaught — it is Zaluzhnyy, a round-faced 48-year-old general who was born into a military family, and appointed as his country’s top uniformed commander by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in July 2021. Zaluzhnny and other Ukrainian commanders had been preparing for a full-on war with Russia since 2014.
Unlike, say, “Stormin’” Norman Schwarzkopf, who led U.S. troops in the first Persian Gulf War, or David Petraeus, who presided over the Iraq war and was nicknamed “King David,” Zaluzhnyy has largely avoided the spectacle of a celebrity commander — deferring that role to Zelenskyy, a former actor and comedian who has captured the public’s imagination.
...
“I can probably talk about [Zaluzhnyy] not just as a single person but as a representative of the new generation of Ukrainian military — senior, middle level and even low level officers,” said Oleksiy Melnyk, a former Ukrainian air force officer who is now co-director of foreign relations and international security programs at the Razumkov Centre, a Kyiv-based think tank.
...
That training and battlefield experience against the Russians and their separatist proxies in Donbas allowed commanders of small, dispersed units to think for themselves, overturning the old Soviet model of top-down leadership that has paralyzed Russian units and forced top generals to venture to the front lines, where several have been killed.
“The Ukrainians are able to stay nimble,” a U.S. defense official told POLITICO, who like other current and former U.S. military officials requested anonymity to discuss assessments of how the war is going, and Ukrainian capabilities. Since 2014, Ukrainians “can better adapt and react with initiative in a way that it could not before,” the official said, adding that flexibility has been a game-changer so far against a Russian onslaught that has fielded “a larger, more capable force — who is all about its rigid plan.”
...
“We want to move away from maps — from writing battle orders of, say, 1943,” Zaluzhnyy said in the ArmyInform interview.
The irony, however, is that Zaluzhnyy is now fighting an enemy that, in some respects at least, often looks more 1943 than it does 2022.
...
A former U.S. special forces officer, who saw the change in Ukrainian special operations forces over the years, said by 2020, the Ukrainian commandos “looked, smelled and tasted like Western SoF.”
The searing, daily combat experience in Donbas over the past eight years has meant that those troops closest to the fight saw first hand how individual initiative in small unit combat is key.
Those young soldiers and their officers “were the ones burned from the experience and [who] realized ‘hey, we can’t have everything go to the general before we make a decision,’”
...
Zaluzhnyy has said that the Ukrainian military is filled with young, professional soldiers and future leaders. “These are completely different people — not like us when we were lieutenants. These are new sprouts that will completely change the army in five years. Almost everyone knows a foreign language well, works well with gadgets, they are well-read,” he told ArmyInform. “New sergeants. These are not scapegoats, as in the Russian army, for example, but real helpers who will soon replace officers.”
“We have already started this movement, and there is no way back,” he added. “Even society will not allow us to return to the army in 2013.”
...
The thousands of Javelin, Stinger, Panzerfaust and other anti-armor and air missiles provided by NATO countries have become a staple of social media feeds, spawning memes, t-shirts and music videos, but the cultural changes within the Ukrainian military have arguably made a bigger impact on the battlefield. NATO exercises have been a key element in the relentless work to eliminate any trace of “Sovok” thinking — the Soviet mentality that left a legacy of corruption and complacency, and which persisted for nearly a quarter-century after independence.
“Their infantry, artillery, innovative skill and being able to use drones and synchronize them was pretty impressive,” said a former U.S. officer who has made multiple trips to Ukraine to advise the military, and who requested anonymity to speak about the training mission. “Their special forces and airborne forces were excellent. There was a part of me, that when I first got there, that made me think they were more Soviet than even the Russian army. But over time, you could see the change.”
...
“NATO tactics [and] the training were adjusted to the Ukrainian realities — and that’s why it has produced quite an impressive result,” Melnyk said. “We saw Russians moving these huge columns … it looks like World War II tactics. Instead, Ukrainians used the advantage — they knew the terrain. They have these mobile units and strike and hit.”
...
Over the years, Zaluzhnyy made no secret of his push for greater financing and other public support for the military. But during the war, his main request of political leaders has been to stay out of the way and let the soldiers do their work — and especially not to raise public doubts about the course of the war.
...
While the commander in chief has sought to avoid any celebrity star status, the success so far in pushing back the Russian invaders makes it inevitable that he will enter Ukrainian military lore as a historic figure. And a recent patriotic video even suggested a nickname that in Ukrainian rhymes as well as Stormin’ Norman: Zalizni Nezlamnyy Zaluzhnyy — “Iron Unbreakable” Zaluzhnyy.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/0...
...
If a single person can be credited with Ukraine’s surprising military successes so far — protecting Kyiv, the capital, and holding most other major cities amid an onslaught — it is Zaluzhnyy, a round-faced 48-year-old general who was born into a military family, and appointed as his country’s top uniformed commander by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in July 2021. Zaluzhnny and other Ukrainian commanders had been preparing for a full-on war with Russia since 2014.
Unlike, say, “Stormin’” Norman Schwarzkopf, who led U.S. troops in the first Persian Gulf War, or David Petraeus, who presided over the Iraq war and was nicknamed “King David,” Zaluzhnyy has largely avoided the spectacle of a celebrity commander — deferring that role to Zelenskyy, a former actor and comedian who has captured the public’s imagination.
...
“I can probably talk about [Zaluzhnyy] not just as a single person but as a representative of the new generation of Ukrainian military — senior, middle level and even low level officers,” said Oleksiy Melnyk, a former Ukrainian air force officer who is now co-director of foreign relations and international security programs at the Razumkov Centre, a Kyiv-based think tank.
...
That training and battlefield experience against the Russians and their separatist proxies in Donbas allowed commanders of small, dispersed units to think for themselves, overturning the old Soviet model of top-down leadership that has paralyzed Russian units and forced top generals to venture to the front lines, where several have been killed.
“The Ukrainians are able to stay nimble,” a U.S. defense official told POLITICO, who like other current and former U.S. military officials requested anonymity to discuss assessments of how the war is going, and Ukrainian capabilities. Since 2014, Ukrainians “can better adapt and react with initiative in a way that it could not before,” the official said, adding that flexibility has been a game-changer so far against a Russian onslaught that has fielded “a larger, more capable force — who is all about its rigid plan.”
...
“We want to move away from maps — from writing battle orders of, say, 1943,” Zaluzhnyy said in the ArmyInform interview.
The irony, however, is that Zaluzhnyy is now fighting an enemy that, in some respects at least, often looks more 1943 than it does 2022.
...
A former U.S. special forces officer, who saw the change in Ukrainian special operations forces over the years, said by 2020, the Ukrainian commandos “looked, smelled and tasted like Western SoF.”
The searing, daily combat experience in Donbas over the past eight years has meant that those troops closest to the fight saw first hand how individual initiative in small unit combat is key.
Those young soldiers and their officers “were the ones burned from the experience and [who] realized ‘hey, we can’t have everything go to the general before we make a decision,’”
...
Zaluzhnyy has said that the Ukrainian military is filled with young, professional soldiers and future leaders. “These are completely different people — not like us when we were lieutenants. These are new sprouts that will completely change the army in five years. Almost everyone knows a foreign language well, works well with gadgets, they are well-read,” he told ArmyInform. “New sergeants. These are not scapegoats, as in the Russian army, for example, but real helpers who will soon replace officers.”
“We have already started this movement, and there is no way back,” he added. “Even society will not allow us to return to the army in 2013.”
...
The thousands of Javelin, Stinger, Panzerfaust and other anti-armor and air missiles provided by NATO countries have become a staple of social media feeds, spawning memes, t-shirts and music videos, but the cultural changes within the Ukrainian military have arguably made a bigger impact on the battlefield. NATO exercises have been a key element in the relentless work to eliminate any trace of “Sovok” thinking — the Soviet mentality that left a legacy of corruption and complacency, and which persisted for nearly a quarter-century after independence.
“Their infantry, artillery, innovative skill and being able to use drones and synchronize them was pretty impressive,” said a former U.S. officer who has made multiple trips to Ukraine to advise the military, and who requested anonymity to speak about the training mission. “Their special forces and airborne forces were excellent. There was a part of me, that when I first got there, that made me think they were more Soviet than even the Russian army. But over time, you could see the change.”
...
“NATO tactics [and] the training were adjusted to the Ukrainian realities — and that’s why it has produced quite an impressive result,” Melnyk said. “We saw Russians moving these huge columns … it looks like World War II tactics. Instead, Ukrainians used the advantage — they knew the terrain. They have these mobile units and strike and hit.”
...
Over the years, Zaluzhnyy made no secret of his push for greater financing and other public support for the military. But during the war, his main request of political leaders has been to stay out of the way and let the soldiers do their work — and especially not to raise public doubts about the course of the war.
...
While the commander in chief has sought to avoid any celebrity star status, the success so far in pushing back the Russian invaders makes it inevitable that he will enter Ukrainian military lore as a historic figure. And a recent patriotic video even suggested a nickname that in Ukrainian rhymes as well as Stormin’ Norman: Zalizni Nezlamnyy Zaluzhnyy — “Iron Unbreakable” Zaluzhnyy.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
cias ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.
Kaj je smisel sankcij:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarlandNixon...
TezkoDihanje ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.
Kaj je smisel sankcij:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarlandNixon...
Da pač lažeš in linkaš izmišljotine 4chan.
fikus_ ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15...
#Ukraine: A Russian tank was hit by the Ukrainian forces and started to burn. The subsequent detonation of ammunition onboard tore the tank apart.
WTF!! -kako ga je razfu.alo-uau-kot v PC game: call of duty!
Assault squad 2
Vidim, da živite v virtualnem svetu. Dobro za vas, dokler vam bo uspevalo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
Pac-Man ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.
Kaj je smisel sankcij:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarlandNixon...
Vedno preveri vire
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/im...
“If they’re propaganda artists, they ain’t good at it,” said Garland Nixon, a Sputnik radio host who also appears on WPFW 89.3 FM, which bills itself as dedicated to “jazz and justice.”
“Fault Lines” co-hosts Lee Stranahan, left, and Garland Nixon talk in the D.C. newsroom of Sputnik, a radio station funded by the Russian government. (Jonathan Newton/The Washington Post)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
fikus_ ::
Malidelničar je izjavil:
Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.
Pojma nimaš kaj se je dogajalo pred 2013 na V UA!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
MojaDežela ::
MojaDežela je izjavil:
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15...
#Ukraine: A Russian tank was hit by the Ukrainian forces and started to burn. The subsequent detonation of ammunition onboard tore the tank apart.
WTF!! -kako ga je razfu.alo-uau-kot v PC game: call of duty!
Assault squad 2
Vidim, da živite v virtualnem svetu. Dobro za vas, dokler vam bo uspevalo.
Rakcija - posledica...sovražnik pred vrati...treba ga pregnat iz svobodne drzave s svobodnimi državljani...tudi mi v Sloveniji imamo to "pravico" svobode.
TezkoDihanje ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Seveda, seveda, Putler je odličen taktik. dal je pobiti 20000 svojih vojakov, še enkrat toliko invalidov, 2000 kosov uničene vojaške opreme, zato da se je potem obrnil nazaj. Za rusofile only
Ne pozabit, da so se ruski vojaki še dva tedna nazaj začeli vkopavat severno od Kieva.
Ta ukaz o umiku okoli Kieva je prišel nenadno, pa tudi umik je bil kaotičen, saj so pustili en kup pokvarjene in delujoče opreme za sabo.
Po planu:
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/statu...
One thing about the Hostomel Airfield — Russians dug up really hard.
Lots of trenches and BMP scrapes dug within the facility and on the edges, one can see that.
Up to the final moment in late March, they were supposed to stay for a long static war.
cias ::
Vedno preveri vire
Kdo se oglaša, kje maš Trump pee posnetke?
Direkt iz konjskih ust ni dovolj za vas. Vam mora biti dovoljeno misliti, kot v vsaki religiji.
Ampak, lažejo vam za vaše dobro:
NBC Report: Intelligence Agencies Leaked Fake News About Russia for “Info War”
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fikus_ ::
Kako je ameriški vojaški industrijski kompleks izkoristil trenutno dogajanje v Ukrajini in zagnal svoj vojaški stroj. Spodaj nekaj primerov:
Germany to buy 35 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets from U.S. amid Ukraine crisis
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
Canada to Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/03...
$6 billion tank deal to Poland cleared by State Department
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0...
Finland Inks $9.4 Billion Deal To Buy 64 F-35 Stealth Fighters
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-...
Poland inks $4.6 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia's war speeds procurements
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro...
Spain cleared to buy $950M worth of MH-60R helicopters
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/spa...
BREAKING: US formally approves Bulgaria's purchase of F-16 jets, in a deal worth $1.6 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approv...
Biden giving Slovakia a Patriot missile system after it donates S-300 system to Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Pictured: US Patriot Missile launchers installed at Polish airport just 50 miles from Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Biden signs spending bill that includes $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ai...
Germany looks to buy Israeli or U.S. missile defence system
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
NATO Commander Increases Prediction to 550 F-35s in Europe by 2030
https://www.airforcemag.com/nato-comman...
US expands global arms export gap over No. 2 seller Russia: Report
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Še nekaj posledic za Rusijo:
1. Verjetno se bosta tako Švedska kot Finska kmalu priključili NATU
2. Ameriški vojaški proračun za FY23 bo verjetno koli $850 milijard
3. Že zdaj je v Evropi preko 100.000 ameriških vojakov, razmišljajo še o dodatnem povečanju
4. Vojaški izdatki NATA se bodo v prihodnjih letih konkretno dvignili
Verjetno sem pozabil še en kup stvari. Poleg tega zgoraj nisem vštel trenutnega orožja ki prihaja v Ukrajino. Senat je mesec dni nazaj sprejel skoraj 15 milijard dolarjev pomoči za Ukrajino. Američanom se v ta konflikt ne bo potrebno spuščati direktno.
Pozabil si se eno stvar, katere ti MSM ne servirajo. Ta vojna je win-win za usa. EU se mora ukvarjati z drugimi stvarmi, kot z gospodarskim razvojem, usa pa bodo prodala ogromno orožja. Usa so si podaljšala nadvlado na svetu za nekaj let. Tako da, njim se hujskaštvo in zavajanje obrestuje.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
FireSnake ::
Dokazati se da samo to, da so mrtvi civilisti.
Kdo jih je pobil, še po orožju ne moreš ugotoviti, saj uporabljajo enako orožje.
Dejstvo pa je, da je precej teh videov zrežiranih, tako na eni kot drugi strani.
Edini skupni imenovalec je mrtev civilist.
Rusija se je z napadom malo uštela, Zelenski je pa navaden vojni hujkaš, ki mastno služi na račun lastnega naroda. Kot že zadnja leta vladanja. Če ne bi težil v NATO, in priznal rusko manjšino, se to sploh ne bi zgodilo. Tako Putina kot Zelenskega bi morali dati v kako drugo stanje...
Lepo napisano.
Poglej in se nasmej: vicmaher.si
TezkoDihanje ::
Kdo se oglaša, kje maš Trump pee posnetke....
Stari, jaz tvojega govna ne berem več. Dobili smo te večkrat z lažmi, tako da samo GTFO.
Dejstvo pa je, da je precej teh videov zrežiranih, tako na eni kot drugi strani..
Za dejstva je treba dat kakšne dokaze... take velike stvari IRL se ne da zrežirat.
Rusi so se direktno zlagali, da teh raket nimajo več, čeprav so bile posnete z "V" oznakami na železnici. Imajo jih pa tudi LDNRjevci.
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FireSnake ::
Malidelničar je izjavil:
Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice
Če si rekel rusko besedo pljuvanje v obraz.
Pobijanje in prepoved ruskih knjig.
To je za tebe "vse pravice"?
Prosim te, no.
Poglej in se nasmej: vicmaher.si
MojaDežela ::
Malidelničar je izjavil:
Invictus - pa saj je ruska manjšina imela vse pravice ampak so šli nekateri znotraj nje rušiti lastno državo s kolaboriranjem s tujo državo (t.j. Rusijo). Sedaj v ironiji pa je velik del rusko govorečih Ukrajincev ali celo Rusov v Ukrajini na vzhodu države spoznal, da imajo raje Ukrajino kot Rusijo v trenutnem stanju. To je avtogol Putina, rusko govoreče oz. Ruse v Ukrajini je odvrnil od sebe.
Next stop: Belarus.
Pojma nimaš kaj se je dogajalo pred 2013 na V UA!
A kaj se je dogajalo v Kijevu 2013 na Evromajdanu?
FireSnake ::
Kako je ameriški vojaški industrijski kompleks izkoristil trenutno dogajanje v Ukrajini in zagnal svoj vojaški stroj. Spodaj nekaj primerov:
Germany to buy 35 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets from U.S. amid Ukraine crisis
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
Canada to Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/03...
$6 billion tank deal to Poland cleared by State Department
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0...
Finland Inks $9.4 Billion Deal To Buy 64 F-35 Stealth Fighters
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-...
Poland inks $4.6 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia's war speeds procurements
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro...
Spain cleared to buy $950M worth of MH-60R helicopters
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/spa...
BREAKING: US formally approves Bulgaria's purchase of F-16 jets, in a deal worth $1.6 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approv...
Biden giving Slovakia a Patriot missile system after it donates S-300 system to Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Pictured: US Patriot Missile launchers installed at Polish airport just 50 miles from Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Biden signs spending bill that includes $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ai...
Germany looks to buy Israeli or U.S. missile defence system
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge...
NATO Commander Increases Prediction to 550 F-35s in Europe by 2030
https://www.airforcemag.com/nato-comman...
US expands global arms export gap over No. 2 seller Russia: Report
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/us-...
Še nekaj posledic za Rusijo:
1. Verjetno se bosta tako Švedska kot Finska kmalu priključili NATU
2. Ameriški vojaški proračun za FY23 bo verjetno koli $850 milijard
3. Že zdaj je v Evropi preko 100.000 ameriških vojakov, razmišljajo še o dodatnem povečanju
4. Vojaški izdatki NATA se bodo v prihodnjih letih konkretno dvignili
Verjetno sem pozabil še en kup stvari. Poleg tega zgoraj nisem vštel trenutnega orožja ki prihaja v Ukrajino. Senat je mesec dni nazaj sprejel skoraj 15 milijard dolarjev pomoči za Ukrajino. Američanom se v ta konflikt ne bo potrebno spuščati direktno.
Odličen povzetek!
Ali še komu ni jasno kdo je boter vsemu temu?
Usekom je vojna v Evropi v interesu!
Poglej in se nasmej: vicmaher.si
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Pimoz ::
24ur spet nabija...in onemogocijo komentarje seveda.
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/ukra...
Ko je bila na postaji za tri dni prekinjena oskrba z električno energijo, je Valerij povedal, da se je trudil najti gorivo, da bi generator vendarle deloval. Na koncu je nekaj goriva ukradel kar Rusom.
"Lahko bi se zgodila katastrofa," je pojasnil Oleksandr. "Radioaktivni material bi se lahko sprostil. Posledice tega pa si lahko predstavljate. Nisem se bal za svoje življenje. Bal sem se, kaj se bo zgodilo, če ne bom tam in ne bom spremljal elektrarne. Bal sem se tragedije za človeštvo."
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/ukra...
dice7 ::
#slavaukrajini
EU je kriva da so idioti rusi zbombandirali ukrajino in popolnoma zradirali njive
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Aston_11 ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.
Kaj je smisel sankcij:
Cias alias ko ti je cena čebule več kot človeško življenje in manj kot ruski fašizem.
cias ::
Cias alias ko ti je cena čebule več kot človeško življenje in manj kot ruski fašizem.
A Ameriko pa izrael bojkotiraš?
Mercator readmits Israeli produce
The Slovenian retailer has swiftly gone back on its decision to halt imports of Israeli fruit after pressure from the Israeli government
Aston_11 ::
sparklyslo ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Posledice ruskega napada na Ukrajino.
Kaj je smisel sankcij:
Cias alias ko ti je cena čebule več kot človeško življenje in manj kot ruski fašizem.
Men se zdi, da je večina teh rusofilov napol enih revežev, ko jih samo skrbi koliko bo stala moka, olje in bencin za v tist njihov star požrešen avto, ki je povsem verjetno narejen na zahodu (ali na Japonskem). Pišejo pa iz PC ali mobilca, ki ga je izdelal Putler osebno, saj na zahodu ni takega znanja.
Pac-Man ::
Ali še komu ni jasno kdo je boter vsemu temu?
Usekom je vojna v Evropi v interesu!
Ameriški agent Vladimir Putin, ki ga je za svojega naslednika lastnoročno izbral ameriški agent Boris Jelcin?
video, 3 minute
https://twitter.com/bbcworldservice/sta...
"The silence in Chernihiv is scary."
Chernihiv was under constant attack from Russian forces – until suddenly, a few days ago, they withdrew. One young artist, Juli, documented it all.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
TezkoDihanje ::
Ali še komu ni jasno kdo je boter vsemu temu?
evidentno Rusi sodelujejo z Američani, da zajebejo sebe in Evropo
sparklyslo je izjavil:
Men se zdi, da je večina teh rusofilov napol enih revežev, ko jih samo skrbi koliko bo stala moka, olje in bencin za v tist njihov star požrešen avto, ki je povsem verjetno narejen na zahodu (ali na Japonskem). Pišejo pa iz PC ali mobilca, ki ga je izdelal Putler osebno, saj na zahodu ni takega znanja.
Rusofili so predvsem srbska matica ter stari 60+ let zarukanci, ki obujajo spomine iz mladosti.
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cias ::
Cias, tvoji fejki nimajo smisla. Tudi doma tako lažeš?
Kaj, a to je zadnji update za vas NPCje? Lažeš je sedaj argument, konec debate.
OK.
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