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Ukrajina Part II
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Pac-Man ::
Kolona ruske vojske ob meji l. 2014.
M4 highway (Russia) @ Wikipedia
Zanimivi temnozeleni madeži. Kot da bi skrivali znake dopusta v Ukrajini.
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/896...
Dobro ohranjeni T-72 v Luhansku. Video je bil naložen maja 2015, najverjetneje posnet konec poletja 2014.
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/889...
Preslaba kvaliteta posnetka, da bi se določil točen model, so pa vsekakor narejeni po l. 1989. Praktično nemogoče, da bi jih v takem stanju potegnili iz nekih mitskih ukrajinskih skladišč.
M4 highway (Russia) @ Wikipedia
Zanimivi temnozeleni madeži. Kot da bi skrivali znake dopusta v Ukrajini.
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/896...
Dobro ohranjeni T-72 v Luhansku. Video je bil naložen maja 2015, najverjetneje posnet konec poletja 2014.
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/889...
Preslaba kvaliteta posnetka, da bi se določil točen model, so pa vsekakor narejeni po l. 1989. Praktično nemogoče, da bi jih v takem stanju potegnili iz nekih mitskih ukrajinskih skladišč.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Pac-Man ::
Sistem zračne obrambe Tor v Šahtersku, januar 2015. Ukrajina jih nima.
Tor missile system @ Wikipedia
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/856...
Tor missile system @ Wikipedia
https://twitter.com/askai707/status/856...
Pac-Man ::
Mattis je v Ukrajini
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv/statu...
V paradi za dan neodvisnosti bodo korakali tudi amerški vojaki
https://twitter.com/JMTG_Ukraine/status...
E-4 je zgleda kar standardni transport za obrambne sekretarje.
Sem mislil, da njihov civilni status pomeni bolj VIP potovanja.
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv/statu...
E-4, nobenih hecov s C-32 ipd.
https://twitter.com/JMTG_Ukraine/status...
E-4 je zgleda kar standardni transport za obrambne sekretarje.
Sem mislil, da njihov civilni status pomeni bolj VIP potovanja.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Pac-Man ::
Propaganda v akciji.
Mattis je imel v Ukrajini govor, kjer je izjavil, da bodo Ukrajincem pomagali braniti njihovo državo (their country).
Na ruski nacionalki to postane aneksija Ukrajine, rekel naj bi "našo državo" (nasho strano).
@5:35
Mattis je imel v Ukrajini govor, kjer je izjavil, da bodo Ukrajincem pomagali braniti njihovo državo (their country).
Na ruski nacionalki to postane aneksija Ukrajine, rekel naj bi "našo državo" (nasho strano).
@5:35
Pac-Man ::
RIA Novosti @ Wikipedia, kakor da ugledna tiskovna agencija, ki jo mednarodni mediji mirno navajajo, ukrajinsko vojsko primerja s Sonderkommando @ Wikipedia (v narekovajih na sliki)
https://twitter.com/kommunar_/status/90...
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/90067...
oz. naslov članka "Poslušna zahodna "sonderkomanda" - kako je bila ustvarjena vojska neodvisne Ukrajine"
https://twitter.com/kommunar_/status/90...
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/90067...
oz. naslov članka "Poslušna zahodna "sonderkomanda" - kako je bila ustvarjena vojska neodvisne Ukrajine"
Pac-Man ::
Imperij vrača udarce
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles...
An American actor who’s appeared in movies starring Leonardo Di Caprio and Tom Cruise has landed an unwitting role in a real-life thriller about the grinding struggle against graft in Europe’s most corrupt country.
Michael-John Wolfe, who makes personalized newscasts for birthdays and other events as a side gig, said he had no idea that a video he was paid to shoot suggesting Ukraine’s leading anti-corruption campaigner embezzled U.S. funds would be posted on YouTube and cited by opponents in Kiev as the real deal.
“I thought it was a prank,” Wolfe said by email, adding that he only knows the screen name of the person who hired him on Fiverr, an online marketplace where he charges $50 to orate 150 words. “I’ve been doing these newscasts since 2011 and never had a problem before. I apologize if anyone was hurt.”
With just 16,000 views, Wolfe’s video is the least of Vitaliy Shabunin’s worries. The founder of the U.S.-funded Anti-Corruption Action Center, whose work is critical to unlocking billions of dollars of aid for Ukraine’s cash-strapped government, has become a lightening rod for entrenched interests in a nation where runaway corruption sparked two revolutions in the space of a decade.
Shabunin, 32, has been under relentless pressure since March, months after an initiative he championed -- mandatory asset disclosures by officials -- came into force, angering everyone from prosecutors and politicians to tax authorities and even the security services.
The revelations of million-dollar bank accounts, mansions and luxury goods sparked outcry from a public that already considered rampant graft more menacing than Russia.
...
Shabunin, a former councilman from the western city of Rivne who’s at turns jovial and resolute, spoke in an interview in Kiev after another video surfaced that’s far more damaging than Wolfe’s fake newscast. It shows him finally losing his temper and punching a self-proclaimed independent journalist who’d been stalking him with a camera and trolling him online for months.
The June clip of the activist dropping the agitator, Vsevolod Filimonov, with a quick right cross while wearing a backpack and clutching a sports jacket has been viewed 90,000 times. It’s now evidence in an assault probe that carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison.
“I hit a person who was haunting my team,” Shabunin told reporters after his Aug. 16 hearing. “I am prepared to bear responsibility for that.”
...
Before the uprising, Filimonov was fired from an election-monitoring watchdog in his native Luhansk, one of two regions now partly held by rebels, after he was recorded soliciting a $3,000 bribe from a local official.
...
Filimonov is an aide to Serhiy Melnychuk, a lawmaker who was stripped of his immunity for alleged ties to organized crime, which he denies.
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Semenchenko says the pair do the bidding of the military’s top prosecutor, Anatoliy Matios, who was reprimanded for exceeding his authority by trying to draft Shabunin into the army.
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Matios, who was also unreachable by phone and via Facebook, slammed Shabunin on the social network in July, calling him a “journalist-beating conscription-dodger.”
Shabunin was on his way to a military recruitment center when the altercation with Filimonov occurred. He was there to contest a draft order Matios’s office issued challenging a medical deferment that exempts him from army service
...
Three conscription officers and a camera crew showed up at Shabunin’s house to deliver the summons on his daughter’s birthday in June, a week after his center filed a lawsuit challenging Matios’s decision to ban outsiders from viewing his and his staff’s asset declarations. Matios’s 2016 filing showed he owned multiple homes and had $600,000 in cash.
...
The black ops against Shabunin began to intensify after the EU visa deal. The Anti-Corruption Action Center accuses the State Security Service, or SBU, of tapping its employees’ phones and sharing their movements with people who’re either paid or coerced to harass them. It also says an SBU officer organized a protest outside his house on a Sunday morning in late April with placards making the same claims as Wolfe’s anonymous scriptwriter.
...
The U.S. Embassy in Kiev has come to Shabunin’s defense, saying via Twitter that the Anti-Corruption Action Center has accounted for every dollar of aid and that it’s “proud” to be the watchdog’s partner.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles...
An American actor who’s appeared in movies starring Leonardo Di Caprio and Tom Cruise has landed an unwitting role in a real-life thriller about the grinding struggle against graft in Europe’s most corrupt country.
Michael-John Wolfe, who makes personalized newscasts for birthdays and other events as a side gig, said he had no idea that a video he was paid to shoot suggesting Ukraine’s leading anti-corruption campaigner embezzled U.S. funds would be posted on YouTube and cited by opponents in Kiev as the real deal.
“I thought it was a prank,” Wolfe said by email, adding that he only knows the screen name of the person who hired him on Fiverr, an online marketplace where he charges $50 to orate 150 words. “I’ve been doing these newscasts since 2011 and never had a problem before. I apologize if anyone was hurt.”
With just 16,000 views, Wolfe’s video is the least of Vitaliy Shabunin’s worries. The founder of the U.S.-funded Anti-Corruption Action Center, whose work is critical to unlocking billions of dollars of aid for Ukraine’s cash-strapped government, has become a lightening rod for entrenched interests in a nation where runaway corruption sparked two revolutions in the space of a decade.
Shabunin, 32, has been under relentless pressure since March, months after an initiative he championed -- mandatory asset disclosures by officials -- came into force, angering everyone from prosecutors and politicians to tax authorities and even the security services.
The revelations of million-dollar bank accounts, mansions and luxury goods sparked outcry from a public that already considered rampant graft more menacing than Russia.
...
Shabunin, a former councilman from the western city of Rivne who’s at turns jovial and resolute, spoke in an interview in Kiev after another video surfaced that’s far more damaging than Wolfe’s fake newscast. It shows him finally losing his temper and punching a self-proclaimed independent journalist who’d been stalking him with a camera and trolling him online for months.
The June clip of the activist dropping the agitator, Vsevolod Filimonov, with a quick right cross while wearing a backpack and clutching a sports jacket has been viewed 90,000 times. It’s now evidence in an assault probe that carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison.
“I hit a person who was haunting my team,” Shabunin told reporters after his Aug. 16 hearing. “I am prepared to bear responsibility for that.”
...
Before the uprising, Filimonov was fired from an election-monitoring watchdog in his native Luhansk, one of two regions now partly held by rebels, after he was recorded soliciting a $3,000 bribe from a local official.
...
Filimonov is an aide to Serhiy Melnychuk, a lawmaker who was stripped of his immunity for alleged ties to organized crime, which he denies.
...
Semenchenko says the pair do the bidding of the military’s top prosecutor, Anatoliy Matios, who was reprimanded for exceeding his authority by trying to draft Shabunin into the army.
...
Matios, who was also unreachable by phone and via Facebook, slammed Shabunin on the social network in July, calling him a “journalist-beating conscription-dodger.”
Shabunin was on his way to a military recruitment center when the altercation with Filimonov occurred. He was there to contest a draft order Matios’s office issued challenging a medical deferment that exempts him from army service
...
Three conscription officers and a camera crew showed up at Shabunin’s house to deliver the summons on his daughter’s birthday in June, a week after his center filed a lawsuit challenging Matios’s decision to ban outsiders from viewing his and his staff’s asset declarations. Matios’s 2016 filing showed he owned multiple homes and had $600,000 in cash.
...
The black ops against Shabunin began to intensify after the EU visa deal. The Anti-Corruption Action Center accuses the State Security Service, or SBU, of tapping its employees’ phones and sharing their movements with people who’re either paid or coerced to harass them. It also says an SBU officer organized a protest outside his house on a Sunday morning in late April with placards making the same claims as Wolfe’s anonymous scriptwriter.
...
The U.S. Embassy in Kiev has come to Shabunin’s defense, saying via Twitter that the Anti-Corruption Action Center has accounted for every dollar of aid and that it’s “proud” to be the watchdog’s partner.
ADIJOOO ::
Ta konflikt v Ukrajini je bil sprožen z strani Američanov samo z razlogom, da bi bila vojna med Evropo in Rusijo. Američani se ne upajo sami napasti Rusije ampak bi to radi preko Evrope in NATO pakta.
Adijoo pamet.
bleem ::
Starodavni je izjavil:
haha, ta malorusija ima pa res optimističen scenarij. Cela Ukrajina brez Krima :)
Sanjači, prej se bo zgodila ponovna reunifikacija Ukrajine in še večji razpad Rusije.
in kako kaj reunifikacija in ruski razpad?
Pac-Man ::
Tudi Ukrajina ima paciente, tile bi šli v Španijo pomagat madridski vladi.
https://medium.com/dfrlab/anti-separati...
Sanktpeterburška tovarna trolov ima pa izpostavo v Donetsku.
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/92...
Another insanely good digital investigation from @Soshnikoff focusing on a fake video/troll factory ran out of Donetsk
http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-418...
Andrey finds links between the Petesrburg troll factory, the fake Azov Battalion video from a couple years ago (where they burned a Dutch flag) and new videos of a terrorist group taking credit for the Rostov fires
The fake Azov videos were published about two years ago. Andrey is absolutely relentless in his research -- kept following leads for two years, and found new connections with unbelievably detailed digital research.
Well, not ran *entirely* out of Donetsk, but some videos were staged there. Close cooperation between the DNR and Prigozhin's Petersburg troll factory.
Another finding that shouldn't be overlooked from @Soshnikoff's research is clear proof of close cooepration between KiberBerkut ("Ukrainian" hacker group) and DNR. Proof found via blacksmith larper: 
https://medium.com/dfrlab/anti-separati...
Sanktpeterburška tovarna trolov ima pa izpostavo v Donetsku.
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/92...
Another insanely good digital investigation from @Soshnikoff focusing on a fake video/troll factory ran out of Donetsk
http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-418...
Andrey finds links between the Petesrburg troll factory, the fake Azov Battalion video from a couple years ago (where they burned a Dutch flag) and new videos of a terrorist group taking credit for the Rostov fires
The fake Azov videos were published about two years ago. Andrey is absolutely relentless in his research -- kept following leads for two years, and found new connections with unbelievably detailed digital research.
Well, not ran *entirely* out of Donetsk, but some videos were staged there. Close cooperation between the DNR and Prigozhin's Petersburg troll factory.
Pac-Man ::
Ekola, Javelini za Ukrajino.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pr...
The National Security Council decided during a meeting on Tuesday to greenlight the presentation of a $47 million grant package to the Ukrainian government to purchase American defense arms, including the powerful Javelin anti-tank missiles.
The president and Congress must approve the sale of anti-tank missiles.
...
Russia invaded Crimea and sent troops and arms into eastern Ukraine shortly after his ouster, leading to a conflict that rages on to this day. The Obama administration never provided arms assistance to Ukraine in response.
A former Trump White House official and adviser to the president expressed concern to ABC News that arming Ukraine would inflame tensions in the region and aggravate America’s fragile relationship with Russia.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Gen. James Mattis have been in discussions since June about how to best make the sale. They strongly recommended the decision to finance and sell anti-tank missiles to Ukraine above two other options that would aid in the arming of Ukraine.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pr...
The National Security Council decided during a meeting on Tuesday to greenlight the presentation of a $47 million grant package to the Ukrainian government to purchase American defense arms, including the powerful Javelin anti-tank missiles.
The president and Congress must approve the sale of anti-tank missiles.
...
Russia invaded Crimea and sent troops and arms into eastern Ukraine shortly after his ouster, leading to a conflict that rages on to this day. The Obama administration never provided arms assistance to Ukraine in response.
A former Trump White House official and adviser to the president expressed concern to ABC News that arming Ukraine would inflame tensions in the region and aggravate America’s fragile relationship with Russia.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Gen. James Mattis have been in discussions since June about how to best make the sale. They strongly recommended the decision to finance and sell anti-tank missiles to Ukraine above two other options that would aid in the arming of Ukraine.
Pac-Man ::
V LNR se dogaja malo vojaškega udara
Različni avtorji na
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins
More video of the lockdown by green men and Berkut in occupied Lugansk as reports from "Lugansk 24" that orders given by dismissed "LNR Interior Minister" Kornet are illegal."
Puh, they found an excuse ... Blame Ukraine! #LuganskCoup #ROFL
Interior minister of Luhansk separatist republic says he's arrested Ukrainian saboteurs & traitorous local officials. Normal stuff for eastern Ukraine—except he was fired last night & his men occupied downtown Luhansk today
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3474144
Coup in Russia-occupied Luhansk, Ukraine. Soldiers with no insignia, wearing balaclavas, downtown. They speak Russian with Moscow accents.
Luhansk residents reporting on social media that TV and radio broadcasts have been turned off as coup continues.
Luhansk separatist leader Plotnitsky claims this whole coup situation is "under control" & attempt by so-called interior minister Kornet to remain in power is "in vain & will soon be completely neutralized."
https://glava-lnr.su/content/zayavlenie...
~18:30 #Luhansk: a military convoy has entered Luhansk allegedly from Donetsk direction heading the #downtown
As DNR tanks, troops, and Kamaz/Ural trucks are rolling through downtown Luhansk, DNR spokesperson Basurin denies everything. "That's a different territory, I don't know what's going on there."
Today in Luhansk city #OSCE SMM observed the presence of military-type vehicles and armed men in the area around the building previously housing the Department of the Ministry of Interior of Ukraine in #Luhansk region >> More:
https://www.facebook.com/oscesmm/posts/...
Ого! The Kremlin has reportedly sided with the Luhansk separatist "interior minister" Kornet in power struggle with leader Plotnitsky, but the latter may remain in place to have a "chance to build the system anew," RBC reports, citing Kremlin insider.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/11/2017/...
Različni avtorji na
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins
More video of the lockdown by green men and Berkut in occupied Lugansk as reports from "Lugansk 24" that orders given by dismissed "LNR Interior Minister" Kornet are illegal."
Puh, they found an excuse ... Blame Ukraine! #LuganskCoup #ROFL
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3474144
Coup in Russia-occupied Luhansk, Ukraine. Soldiers with no insignia, wearing balaclavas, downtown. They speak Russian with Moscow accents.
Luhansk residents reporting on social media that TV and radio broadcasts have been turned off as coup continues.
Luhansk separatist leader Plotnitsky claims this whole coup situation is "under control" & attempt by so-called interior minister Kornet to remain in power is "in vain & will soon be completely neutralized."
https://glava-lnr.su/content/zayavlenie...
~18:30 #Luhansk: a military convoy has entered Luhansk allegedly from Donetsk direction heading the #downtown
As DNR tanks, troops, and Kamaz/Ural trucks are rolling through downtown Luhansk, DNR spokesperson Basurin denies everything. "That's a different territory, I don't know what's going on there."
https://www.facebook.com/oscesmm/posts/...
Ого! The Kremlin has reportedly sided with the Luhansk separatist "interior minister" Kornet in power struggle with leader Plotnitsky, but the latter may remain in place to have a "chance to build the system anew," RBC reports, citing Kremlin insider.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/11/2017/...
Pac-Man ::
Kaže, da je DNR okupiral LNR. Konsolidacija.
ruski specialist pri Bellingcatu in kak RT
https://twitter.com/AricToler
TV and mobile connection (apparently) cut off in Luhansk. #FSBvsSurkov
Spotty TV service, but someone helpfully lets everyone know that Ukrainian radio just started to work. #Luhansk #FSBMaidan
// zgleda izklopili oddajnik in z njim tudi motenje ukrajinskih postaj :)
For #Luhansk / coup / whatever is happening news, best resources:
@666_mancer
@novostidnua
@rjpthjultnb
If you're a glutton for punishment
https://vk.com/lugansk_all_news
Rumor that Plotnitsky has left #Luhansk for Russia. I hope that Yanukovych has a free guest room.
Sighting of military equipment moving through Perevalsk (halfway between #Luhansk and Debaltseve) headed towards Luhansk city. Speculation that it's more equipment from DNR. #LNRvsDNR
[local humour] "Forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have been deployed in the LNR territory to protect the Donetsk-speaking population"
We'll be publishing an open source overview of the #Luhansk (#LNRvsDNR? #SurkovVsFSB?) situation soon for #MinskMonitor. With tanks and geolocations!
We just focus on the digital stuff and won't try to sort out the Plotnitsky vs. Kornet drama in this piece because, well, who knows what's going on there. Good primer in English on all of that confusion:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-gun-tot...
Master open source researcher @5urpher finds the same BTR (#771) that was photographed in Luhansk today. Previously photographed with DNR's Spetsnaz.
https://twitter.com/5urpher/status/9330...
Ahem, na BTR-ju poleg številke piše čečen.
ruski specialist pri Bellingcatu in kak RT
https://twitter.com/AricToler
TV and mobile connection (apparently) cut off in Luhansk. #FSBvsSurkov
Spotty TV service, but someone helpfully lets everyone know that Ukrainian radio just started to work. #Luhansk #FSBMaidan
For #Luhansk / coup / whatever is happening news, best resources:
@666_mancer
@novostidnua
@rjpthjultnb
If you're a glutton for punishment
https://vk.com/lugansk_all_news
Rumor that Plotnitsky has left #Luhansk for Russia. I hope that Yanukovych has a free guest room.
Sighting of military equipment moving through Perevalsk (halfway between #Luhansk and Debaltseve) headed towards Luhansk city. Speculation that it's more equipment from DNR. #LNRvsDNR
[local humour] "Forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have been deployed in the LNR territory to protect the Donetsk-speaking population"
We'll be publishing an open source overview of the #Luhansk (#LNRvsDNR? #SurkovVsFSB?) situation soon for #MinskMonitor. With tanks and geolocations!
We just focus on the digital stuff and won't try to sort out the Plotnitsky vs. Kornet drama in this piece because, well, who knows what's going on there. Good primer in English on all of that confusion:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-gun-tot...
Master open source researcher @5urpher finds the same BTR (#771) that was photographed in Luhansk today. Previously photographed with DNR's Spetsnaz.
https://twitter.com/5urpher/status/9330...
Ahem, na BTR-ju poleg številke piše čečen.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Pac-Man ::
https://medium.com/dfrlab/the-war-of-th...
The exact reason for the sudden “invasion” of little green men in Luhansk is not clear, but the event is likely related to a power struggle between Plotnitsky and Kornet after the former fired the police chief. This conflict is not just between the two strongmen of Luhansk, but also serves as a proxy war between Russian and Donetsk authorities. The Ukrainian news outlet Depo.ua called the Luhansk conflict “Surkov versus the FSB,” putting the support of the Russian security services (FSB) with the ousted police chief Kornet, and the support of the Kremlin’s point person in the Donbas, Vladislav Surkov, with Plotnitsky.
The exact reason for the sudden “invasion” of little green men in Luhansk is not clear, but the event is likely related to a power struggle between Plotnitsky and Kornet after the former fired the police chief. This conflict is not just between the two strongmen of Luhansk, but also serves as a proxy war between Russian and Donetsk authorities. The Ukrainian news outlet Depo.ua called the Luhansk conflict “Surkov versus the FSB,” putting the support of the Russian security services (FSB) with the ousted police chief Kornet, and the support of the Kremlin’s point person in the Donbas, Vladislav Surkov, with Plotnitsky.
Pac-Man ::
Par točk lokalca loogunde, ki večinoma prevaja regionalne tvite iz ruščine
https://twitter.com/loogunda
1. UA police say Plotnitsky fled Luhansk to Russia - unconfirmed.
2. A huge military column arrived, can they be future Putin's "peacekeepers"?
3. Could the Russians stage the coup to deploy forces to assault e.g. Stanytsia_Luhanska later? (OSCE wants UA troops to be withdrawn fr/there)
4. Or Putin just wants to eliminate so-called LNR and put occupied Luhansk under "DNR" control?
5. This "coup" may also be a trick to undermine the prisoner exchange ("Russia tried to ask them but look what's happening there, we cannot do anything" etc)
6. If Kornet just wants to stay in power, Plotnitsky is still needed for the "LNR" project because he was "elected" + he signed the "2nd Minsk deal" (signatures of him & Zakharchenko go separated after representatives of the Trilateral Contact Group - OSCE, UA, RU)
7. Removing Plotnitsky may mean undermining the Minsk peace process.
8. Kornet wants to bring back to power chieftains who were rivals of Plotnitsky in 2014-2015 (Mozgovoy etc are dead, he probably implies RU 'cossack' warlord Kozitsyn etc)
9. Everyone in Luhansk understands that Kornet's statement on a large Ukrainian subversive group captured a night before is just a dumb causa formalis to explain why the center of Luhansk was blocked, but he may be asked to show the saboteurs. Who will be they?
10. If it is really a conflict between Putin's aide for occupied territories Surkov (Plotnitsky) and FSB (Kornet), then FSB is winning for now, will Surkov be fired from his post later or he'll just lose control over Luhansk (still controlling Donetsk, Abkhazia, South Ossetia)?
11. Tomorrow we can witness some of Plotnitsky's "ministers" fleeing to Russia along Luhansk-Sorokyne highway to the uncontrolled Izvaryne border CP. If the troops deployed this evening and the night before really came to help Kornet as local pro-Russians believe
12. One more point. It seemed first that the Russian media took Kornet's side, quoting only his video address about him still being a minister, UA saboteurs etc. But later as the statement by Plotnitsky (Kornet is dismissed, we'll restore order) was published, RU quoted it too.
13. If Plotnitsky would be dismissed, then Zakharchenko may be the next to resign - his key rival is Denis Pushilin (also backed by Surkov), another potential is warlord Khodakovsky (from "Akhmetov group"). Infographic on the Donetsk groups of influence by @EuromaidanPress:
14. If all forces coming to Luhansk were 'pro-Kornet' then why did they bring so many troops and equipment? Does it mean that some of the options #2-5 are relevant?
https://twitter.com/loogunda
1. UA police say Plotnitsky fled Luhansk to Russia - unconfirmed.
2. A huge military column arrived, can they be future Putin's "peacekeepers"?
3. Could the Russians stage the coup to deploy forces to assault e.g. Stanytsia_Luhanska later? (OSCE wants UA troops to be withdrawn fr/there)
4. Or Putin just wants to eliminate so-called LNR and put occupied Luhansk under "DNR" control?
5. This "coup" may also be a trick to undermine the prisoner exchange ("Russia tried to ask them but look what's happening there, we cannot do anything" etc)
6. If Kornet just wants to stay in power, Plotnitsky is still needed for the "LNR" project because he was "elected" + he signed the "2nd Minsk deal" (signatures of him & Zakharchenko go separated after representatives of the Trilateral Contact Group - OSCE, UA, RU)
7. Removing Plotnitsky may mean undermining the Minsk peace process.
8. Kornet wants to bring back to power chieftains who were rivals of Plotnitsky in 2014-2015 (Mozgovoy etc are dead, he probably implies RU 'cossack' warlord Kozitsyn etc)
9. Everyone in Luhansk understands that Kornet's statement on a large Ukrainian subversive group captured a night before is just a dumb causa formalis to explain why the center of Luhansk was blocked, but he may be asked to show the saboteurs. Who will be they?
10. If it is really a conflict between Putin's aide for occupied territories Surkov (Plotnitsky) and FSB (Kornet), then FSB is winning for now, will Surkov be fired from his post later or he'll just lose control over Luhansk (still controlling Donetsk, Abkhazia, South Ossetia)?
11. Tomorrow we can witness some of Plotnitsky's "ministers" fleeing to Russia along Luhansk-Sorokyne highway to the uncontrolled Izvaryne border CP. If the troops deployed this evening and the night before really came to help Kornet as local pro-Russians believe
12. One more point. It seemed first that the Russian media took Kornet's side, quoting only his video address about him still being a minister, UA saboteurs etc. But later as the statement by Plotnitsky (Kornet is dismissed, we'll restore order) was published, RU quoted it too.
13. If Plotnitsky would be dismissed, then Zakharchenko may be the next to resign - his key rival is Denis Pushilin (also backed by Surkov), another potential is warlord Khodakovsky (from "Akhmetov group"). Infographic on the Donetsk groups of influence by @EuromaidanPress:
Pac-Man ::
Še en "Čečen" iz DNR, ki se gre vojaški udar v LNR.
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/statu...
Plotnitski pa bojda v Moskvi, via Rostov
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/statu...
Plotnitski pa bojda v Moskvi, via Rostov
Pac-Man ::
Včeraj so možje v zelenem aretirali vrhovnega tožilca.
https://twitter.com/loogunda
Russian armored vehicles in Luhansk
//GAZ Tigr, tega ni v trgovinah, sploh ne ukrajinskih
13:11 #Luhansk: All in all, the situation has been eased. At least it appears so. No "little green men" with white armbands. AA-gun removed, some streets are really unblocked. Maybe it's because of the alleged departure of #Plotnitsky...
15:35 #Horlivka @NovaGorlivka [#Zakharchenko] arrived...
18:34 #Luhansk [pro-RU source]: According to rumours and reports by ppl who live near #Izvaryne [border] CP, #Plotnitsky has left the republic. Does it appear that Kornet remains at the helm?
21:37 #Luhansk: [unconfirmed] "Unclear stir at #OHA[=Reg.Adm]. It may be stormed now, lots of SOBR[=spetsnaz] and Berkut pulled to OHA, alarm in the building, holding the line"
#Luhansk: unmasked "green ones" via @GirkinGirkin
https://twitter.com/loogunda
Russian armored vehicles in Luhansk
13:11 #Luhansk: All in all, the situation has been eased. At least it appears so. No "little green men" with white armbands. AA-gun removed, some streets are really unblocked. Maybe it's because of the alleged departure of #Plotnitsky...
15:35 #Horlivka @NovaGorlivka [#Zakharchenko] arrived...
18:34 #Luhansk [pro-RU source]: According to rumours and reports by ppl who live near #Izvaryne [border] CP, #Plotnitsky has left the republic. Does it appear that Kornet remains at the helm?
21:37 #Luhansk: [unconfirmed] "Unclear stir at #OHA[=Reg.Adm]. It may be stormed now, lots of SOBR[=spetsnaz] and Berkut pulled to OHA, alarm in the building, holding the line"
#Luhansk: unmasked "green ones" via @GirkinGirkin
Pac-Man ::
Chicken Kiev speech @ Wikipedia
The Chicken Kiev speech is the nickname for a speech given by the United States president George H. W. Bush in Kiev, Ukraine, on August 1, 1991, months before a December referendum in which Ukrainians voted to withdraw from the Soviet Union, in which Bush cautioned against "suicidal nationalism". The speech was written by Condoleezza Rice—later Secretary of State under President George W. Bush—when she was in charge of Soviet and Eastern European affairs for the first President Bush. It outraged Ukrainian nationalists and American conservatives, with the conservative New York Times columnist William Safire calling it the "Chicken Kiev speech" in protest at what he saw as its "colossal misjudgment".
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Vanich ::
Hehehe: prežvekovalec kravat Sakašvili nima miru ne toplega doma - aretirali so ga tudi v Ukrajini, kjer se je metal skozi okno, hehehe.
Bohved, če ga bodo sedaj izročili njegovi rodni Gruziji, kjer ga tudi iščejo zaradi raznoraznih prevar in mahinacij?
Bohved, če ga bodo sedaj izročili njegovi rodni Gruziji, kjer ga tudi iščejo zaradi raznoraznih prevar in mahinacij?
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Vanich ()
Vanich ::
Napeto v Ukrajini! Prežvekovalca njegovi pristaši osvobodili od ukrajinskih policistov, tie-muncher bo naredil novi Majdan! (ali pa kaj kmalu fasal kuglo)
Tukaj nam edino samo še pac-man mora objasniti, za koga je treba sedaj navijati, pa smo na konju!
Tukaj nam edino samo še pac-man mora objasniti, za koga je treba sedaj navijati, pa smo na konju!
Pac-Man ::
Brezvezen postranski šov. Glavna zgodba je drugje, zdajle se lomi zgodovina. Euromaidan je bil šele 1. dejanje.
SBU je razkril identitete tajnih agentov NABU, ukrajinskega protikorupcijskega biroja.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
Artem Sytnyk, head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, on Dec. 1 accused the authorities, including the Prosecutor General's Office and the Security Service of Ukraine, or SBU, of foiling all NABU undercover operations and trying to destroy the bureau.
He said that the SBU and the Prosecutor General's Office had foiled NABU operations by illegally publishing the photos, passports, names, car license plates and addresses of NABU undercover agents involved in a corruption case into the State Migration Service and obstructing the case.
EU pa ni nakazala zadnjih 600 mio posojila, ker Ukrajinska vlada ni resna.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
The European Commission has decided not to transfer the third and last 600 million euro tranche of the current 1.8 euro macro-financial assistance program to Ukraine, approved in 2015.
The European Union's decision was made because the Ukrainian government has failed to fulfill the four last conditions the European donors set for the disbursal of the low-interest loan. The authorities failed to cancel the timber trade moratorium, launch an automatic system for checking electronic asset declarations, and a system for checking the beneficial owners of companies, and adopt the law on the credit register of the National Bank of Ukraine.
SBU je razkril identitete tajnih agentov NABU, ukrajinskega protikorupcijskega biroja.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
Artem Sytnyk, head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, on Dec. 1 accused the authorities, including the Prosecutor General's Office and the Security Service of Ukraine, or SBU, of foiling all NABU undercover operations and trying to destroy the bureau.
He said that the SBU and the Prosecutor General's Office had foiled NABU operations by illegally publishing the photos, passports, names, car license plates and addresses of NABU undercover agents involved in a corruption case into the State Migration Service and obstructing the case.
EU pa ni nakazala zadnjih 600 mio posojila, ker Ukrajinska vlada ni resna.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
The European Commission has decided not to transfer the third and last 600 million euro tranche of the current 1.8 euro macro-financial assistance program to Ukraine, approved in 2015.
The European Union's decision was made because the Ukrainian government has failed to fulfill the four last conditions the European donors set for the disbursal of the low-interest loan. The authorities failed to cancel the timber trade moratorium, launch an automatic system for checking electronic asset declarations, and a system for checking the beneficial owners of companies, and adopt the law on the credit register of the National Bank of Ukraine.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
So what. Napad ukrajine na novo oklicano rusko pokrajino, pomeni avtomaticno napad na Rusijo. Razen dodatne Rusofobije, je to bolj BS prodaje zastarelega orozja iz skladisc, po drugi strani se velki igralci v evropi kaj dosti nic ne oborozujejo, vkljucujoc Amerjev. Poslali so zgolj enote na trening 
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
konspirator ::
Samo vprašanje časa je, kdaj se zbudijo ukr jastrebi:
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
In a Facebook post dated Dec.13, Ukrainian Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak welcomed the decision, calling Canada "one of Ukraine's most important strategic partners".
The day before, on Dec. 12, U.S. President Donald Trump signed the U.S. defense appropriations bill for the fiscal year 2018, authorizing $350 million in military aid for Ukraine next year.
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Pac-Man ::
Suverenost je precenjena.
https://twitter.com/gullivercragg/statu...
#Ukraine's President P. Poroshenko has finally submitted to parliament a bill for creation of an anti-corruption court. In September he was against it. But Civil Society & international backers are convinced it is necessary; clearly their pressure works
https://twitter.com/gullivercragg/statu...
#Ukraine's President P. Poroshenko has finally submitted to parliament a bill for creation of an anti-corruption court. In September he was against it. But Civil Society & international backers are convinced it is necessary; clearly their pressure works
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
konspirator je izjavil:
Samo vprašanje časa je, kdaj se zbudijo ukr jastrebi
Rusija se je umaknila iz mehanizma JCCC. Sicer so pogosto vohunili za "separatiste", ampak unilateralen umik? Slab omen, kar se je potrdilo.
P.S.
Ponedeljek je bil 18.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukra...
On Monday, the Russian foreign ministry said it was recalling officers serving at the Joint Centre for Control and Coordination (JCCC) in Ukraine, accusing the Ukrainian side of obstructing their work and limiting access to the front line.
...
Fighting between Ukrainian troops and separatists has climbed to the worst level in months, the OSCE said this week, after the shelling of a frontline village wounded civilians and destroyed or damaged dozens of homes.
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Russia denies accusations from Ukraine and NATO it supports the rebels with troops and weapons, but the U.S. envoy to peace talks, Kurt Volker, said Moscow was answerable for the violence.
“Russia withdrew its officers from JCCC - a ceasefire implementation tool - right before a massive escalation in ceasefire violations. Ukraine just suffered some of the worst fighting since February, 2017. Decision for peace lies with Russia,” Volker tweeted on Tuesday.
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Created in 2014, the JCCC is made up of Ukrainian and Russian officers, who are meant to work together to ensure the safety of OSCE monitors and help implement the Minsk ceasefire.
https://medium.com/dfrlab/casualties-at...
On the evening of December 18, heavy shelling from multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) caused at least eight civilian casualties including one child, damaged some 50 residential buildings, a school, kindergarten, clinic, and partially cut power and gas in government-controlled Novoluhanske, Donetsk Oblast. This shelling incident was one of the most destructive of 2017 in the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine.
Houses caught fire in the night as some forty indiscriminate incendiary artillery shells “rained” onto the town from non-government-controlled Horlivka, Donetsk Oblast, reportedly still burning into the morning.
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This massive attack comes after heavy shelling from 152mm artillery in the area on December 17. These 152mm artillery systems are banned by the Minsk agreements.
https://medium.com/dfrlab/video-shows-s...
The Telegram channel “WarGonzo” shared drone footage on December 20 of Russian-led separatist artillery fire targeting a position held by Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF). According to the description with the video, the attack was an “answer for Horlivka,” in reference to alleged December 18–19 Ukrainian shelling of civilian areas of non-government-controlled Horlivka.
https://vimeo.com/248160729
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Ker fašistične hunte ponavadi dajejo pogojne kazni za umore svojih podpornikov.
http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1513962...
The first and only trial so far over the fatal attack on journalist Viacheslav Veremiy during Euromaidan has ended in a four-year suspended sentence with a two-year probation period passed on Yury Krysin for his undisputed part in the killing.
...
While Krysin did not fire the shot which killed Veremiy, he was the head of the ‘titushki’ or hired thugs who dragged Veremiy from a taxi and began beating him, with the ferocity of the attack clearly seen here.
https://ok.ru/video/6204687821
Krysin had admitted to his part in the events, denying only that he killed the journalist. The court established that on February 17, 2014, Krysin agreed to payment of 20 thousand USD for collecting a gang of titushki to attack Euromaidan activists.
At around 21.00 on 18 February, they used a grenade to stop the taxi in which Veremiy was a passenger, dragged him out of the car and beat him with baseball bats. It is believed that it was one of the other titushki, Dzhalal Aliev (also known as Dima Dagestanets, and now in hiding) who fired the fatal shot when Veremiy tried to flee. The 31-year-old Vesti journalist who was married with a small son died shortly afterwards in hospital.
...
In a recent interview, prosecutor Oleksiy Donsky said that he believed the lengthy trial period should be attributed to judge Linnyk, and that it was doubtless in the interests of the accused. Donsky is careful in giving an opinion as to why the judge might drag out the case, but notes that this is common in many cases involving criminal charges against Krysin.
...
44-year-old Krysin (‘Shkaf’) is originally from the Donetsk oblast and is believed to have been part of a criminal gang with links to Yury Ivanyushchenko, a former close associate of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1513962...
The first and only trial so far over the fatal attack on journalist Viacheslav Veremiy during Euromaidan has ended in a four-year suspended sentence with a two-year probation period passed on Yury Krysin for his undisputed part in the killing.
...
While Krysin did not fire the shot which killed Veremiy, he was the head of the ‘titushki’ or hired thugs who dragged Veremiy from a taxi and began beating him, with the ferocity of the attack clearly seen here.
https://ok.ru/video/6204687821
Krysin had admitted to his part in the events, denying only that he killed the journalist. The court established that on February 17, 2014, Krysin agreed to payment of 20 thousand USD for collecting a gang of titushki to attack Euromaidan activists.
At around 21.00 on 18 February, they used a grenade to stop the taxi in which Veremiy was a passenger, dragged him out of the car and beat him with baseball bats. It is believed that it was one of the other titushki, Dzhalal Aliev (also known as Dima Dagestanets, and now in hiding) who fired the fatal shot when Veremiy tried to flee. The 31-year-old Vesti journalist who was married with a small son died shortly afterwards in hospital.
...
In a recent interview, prosecutor Oleksiy Donsky said that he believed the lengthy trial period should be attributed to judge Linnyk, and that it was doubtless in the interests of the accused. Donsky is careful in giving an opinion as to why the judge might drag out the case, but notes that this is common in many cases involving criminal charges against Krysin.
...
44-year-old Krysin (‘Shkaf’) is originally from the Donetsk oblast and is believed to have been part of a criminal gang with links to Yury Ivanyushchenko, a former close associate of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...
Yuriy Krysin (К), the leader of paid pro-government thugs active during the EuroMaidan Revolution, listens to a judge reading out his sentence in the case of the attack on journalist Vyacheslav Veremiy that took place on Feb. 18, 2014, during a closed hearing in Kyiv's Shevchenkivsky Court on Dec. 22.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
7tom1ja ::
Koga Paco zdej podpiraš, amer lutko številka: 1. Poroshenko, 2. Sakashivili ?
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Pac-Man ::
Kogarkoli, ki bo tituške začel plačevati v evrih.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na...
Inside a Russian disinformation campaign in Ukraine in 2014
By the morning of Feb. 22, 2014, it was clear that the government of Viktor Yanukovych, the beleaguered pro-Russian president of Ukraine, had fallen, amid protests sparked by his decision not to move toward a closer relationship with the European Union.
Yanukovych’s Russian allies denounced his political collapse as a “coup,” and the crisis became a flash point in relations between the Kremlin and the West.
Into the tumult leapt Russia’s military spy agency, the GRU, which launched a covert influence operation — one that presaged what Moscow would do in the United States two years later.
...
Its goal was to influence key decision-makers and the wider public to pave the way for the Russian military action that was launched Feb. 27 with the seizure of the Crimean parliament building by armed men, according to a classified GRU report obtained by The Washington Post.
...
Starting the day after Yanukovych’s fall, the military spies created a slew of fake personas on the social media platforms of Facebook and its Russian equivalent VKontakte, or VK for short. The personas were meant to represent ordinary people from across Ukraine who were disillusioned with opposition protests at Kiev’s central square, called the Maidan.
On Saturday evening, Feb. 22, 2014, a man calling himself Ivan Galitsin posted a comment on an article in a British newspaper. The story was about the Ukraine opposition leader and former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, who had been released from prison that day. “There was a coup in Ukraine,” wrote Galitsin in English. “I live in Kiev. I was on the Maidan, but peaceful protest ended two months ago, when we were displaced by armed nationalists. It’s a nightmare. Fascists came to us again 70 years after the Second World War. I do not want this future for Ukraine.”
Galitsin was the creation of a GRU psychological operations officer, according to the documents. The profile was created on Feb. 22, and he used as his profile photo a picture of Konstantin Yaroshenko, a convicted Russian drug smuggler serving time in a U.S. prison.
...
Pretending to be ordinary Ukrainians, GRU operatives also tapped out comments aimed at riling up pro-Russian citizens against the protesters, whom they called “zapadentsy” — or “westerners.” One comment read: “Brigades of zapadentsy are now on their way to rob and kill us. It is very clear that these people hold nothing sacred.’’
Another read: “The rise of the opposition here will be catastrophic. These people are completely different. They have a totally different vision of Ukraine’s future.”
Demonstrators on the Maidan were called “Nazis” and “fascists.”
The military spies posted physical threats on social media against Yanukovych allies in southeastern Ukraine to bolster Moscow’s claim that radical Ukrainians were inciting violence against Russians in the region. In one case, a fake persona named Vova Kravets issued threats on Facebook against 14 politicians.
...
On Feb. 27, when the Crimean parliament building was seized, the GRU created four groups on Facebook and VK to encourage Crimeans to support secession from Ukraine. “Using our accounts on Facebook, we circulated commentaries informing the population of the Crimean peninsula of a threat from Nazi organizations,” the GRU reported.
...
The GRU also used paid ads on Facebook to increase the groups’ popularity, according to the report. Together, the groups received nearly 200,000 views on Facebook on Feb. 27 alone, the report said. The content was republished on other groups on Facebook, on VK and on LiveJournal, another Russian social networking site.
Inside a Russian disinformation campaign in Ukraine in 2014
By the morning of Feb. 22, 2014, it was clear that the government of Viktor Yanukovych, the beleaguered pro-Russian president of Ukraine, had fallen, amid protests sparked by his decision not to move toward a closer relationship with the European Union.
Yanukovych’s Russian allies denounced his political collapse as a “coup,” and the crisis became a flash point in relations between the Kremlin and the West.
Into the tumult leapt Russia’s military spy agency, the GRU, which launched a covert influence operation — one that presaged what Moscow would do in the United States two years later.
...
Its goal was to influence key decision-makers and the wider public to pave the way for the Russian military action that was launched Feb. 27 with the seizure of the Crimean parliament building by armed men, according to a classified GRU report obtained by The Washington Post.
...
Starting the day after Yanukovych’s fall, the military spies created a slew of fake personas on the social media platforms of Facebook and its Russian equivalent VKontakte, or VK for short. The personas were meant to represent ordinary people from across Ukraine who were disillusioned with opposition protests at Kiev’s central square, called the Maidan.
On Saturday evening, Feb. 22, 2014, a man calling himself Ivan Galitsin posted a comment on an article in a British newspaper. The story was about the Ukraine opposition leader and former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, who had been released from prison that day. “There was a coup in Ukraine,” wrote Galitsin in English. “I live in Kiev. I was on the Maidan, but peaceful protest ended two months ago, when we were displaced by armed nationalists. It’s a nightmare. Fascists came to us again 70 years after the Second World War. I do not want this future for Ukraine.”
Galitsin was the creation of a GRU psychological operations officer, according to the documents. The profile was created on Feb. 22, and he used as his profile photo a picture of Konstantin Yaroshenko, a convicted Russian drug smuggler serving time in a U.S. prison.
...
Pretending to be ordinary Ukrainians, GRU operatives also tapped out comments aimed at riling up pro-Russian citizens against the protesters, whom they called “zapadentsy” — or “westerners.” One comment read: “Brigades of zapadentsy are now on their way to rob and kill us. It is very clear that these people hold nothing sacred.’’
Another read: “The rise of the opposition here will be catastrophic. These people are completely different. They have a totally different vision of Ukraine’s future.”
Demonstrators on the Maidan were called “Nazis” and “fascists.”
The military spies posted physical threats on social media against Yanukovych allies in southeastern Ukraine to bolster Moscow’s claim that radical Ukrainians were inciting violence against Russians in the region. In one case, a fake persona named Vova Kravets issued threats on Facebook against 14 politicians.
...
On Feb. 27, when the Crimean parliament building was seized, the GRU created four groups on Facebook and VK to encourage Crimeans to support secession from Ukraine. “Using our accounts on Facebook, we circulated commentaries informing the population of the Crimean peninsula of a threat from Nazi organizations,” the GRU reported.
...
The GRU also used paid ads on Facebook to increase the groups’ popularity, according to the report. Together, the groups received nearly 200,000 views on Facebook on Feb. 27 alone, the report said. The content was republished on other groups on Facebook, on VK and on LiveJournal, another Russian social networking site.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Še pomnimo prijatelji?
Tole je intervju s prostovoljcem iz Armenije, ki je maja 2014 sodeloval pri okupaciji letališča v Donetsku.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation...
When did you cross the border?
It was around dawn on May 24. On the Ukrainian side, we were met by some high-level representatives of the [self-proclaimed] Donetsk People's Republic. They had taken over some military base in Donetsk and they put us up in a barracks there. We slept the whole day. Then we washed up, got ourselves in order.
The next day, May 25, we took part in the well-known parade in the city in our KamAZ trucks—the one that the Chechens made famous. They gave interviews, fired their weapons into the air, posed for the cameras. People were cheering and they greeted the volunteers from Russia like liberators. In the evening, we returned to our barracks.
And when did you first see combat?
They sounded the alarm on the night of May 25-26. There were three guys in my group—from Moscow, Lipetsk, and Chukotka [in Russia]. They were all killed. We were put in civilian buses and taken to the airport. All 100 of us went into the building and there we joined up with some Ossetians. The passengers were quickly evacuated, but employees remained at their posts. In the morning, two planes landed and we didn't interfere with the work of the airport. The building was quickly taken under control.
What was the point of seizing a civilian airport in Donetsk? The fighting at that time was in a completely different place, near Slovyansk.
To prevent them from sending in troops from Kiev. They told us no one would fire at us. Just pose for the cameras and that's all. They would see us, get scared, give up. We'd disarm everyone and send them home. The airport would be ours.
Who do you mean?
The Ukrainian troops around the airport. There was gossip that supposedly we were so tough and everyone was afraid of us. But it turned out just the opposite. At 2 p.m. the helicopters came. Then the airplanes, and they started bombing the place. I was on the roof and with my aide, I managed to get to the sixth floor. It was a big attack—I counted four helicopters and two planes.
What happened on your floor?
One Chechen was killed on the roof immediately. Two others were wounded. They fired on the helicopters with everything they had. It took me two or three seconds to get up there. I fired on the high area from where a sniper was shooting at us. They forced us tightly into the building and were bombing from all sides. They had missile launchers around the perimeter of the airport and were firing on the terminal.
Do you think it was betrayal or incompetence?
I don't know. We lost a lot of men. One of the Chechens—a really smart guy—threw a couple of smoke bombs onto the roof and managed to drag his wounded comrades out. (...) Someone contacted the commander—a guy called Spark—and we were given the order to get into the trucks. It was nearly evening. The trucks were standing inside—in the terminal. I didn't want to get in. I knew how risky it was. Spark told me, "If you question the order, I'll shoot you here." I took my weapon and got in.
There were dead and wounded there?
//med umikom se jim je zgodil prijateljski ogenj
We rushed past at high speed. I didn't manage to look. Someone was still shooting. After about 500 meters, someone fired on our truck with a grenade launcher. The shell landed in the driver's cabin. (...) The truck that they hit first got caught in a crossfire from machine guns. There were also snipers firing at them. At least 30 men died there—no fewer.
Did you know who controlled the city?
We were sure the city had been taken by the National Guard and that they were looking for us. (...) Someone told me that only three guys survived from the first truck. There was panic and terror. Someone told me that one guy blew himself up with a grenade to avoid being taken prisoner by the Ukrainians. They didn't understand that they were being attacked by their own people. Someone apparently told local militiamen that Right Sector [a Ukrainian nationalist group that was part of the Maidan protest movement] fighters were rushing down the highway in two trucks.
What was the official story?
//česar seveda ne smemo priznati, slabo za moralo
On television they said something like that the militias were transporting unarmed wounded under the sign of the red cross and Ukrainian forces fired on them. At that point, I still didn't know we'd been attacked by our own forces. I was sure it was the National Guard. Sometime in the morning of the 27th, two guys from the cover group that remained at the airport woke me up. They told me that it was friendly fire.
We were asking what to do next. We decided to run away during the night, secretly, on foot, back to the border and to Russia.
Še Vice s 26. in 27. maja 2014. Porošenko je bil izvoljen 25. maja, to je bila prva resna ukrajinska operacija, zato tak šok. Do takrat ni bilo nikogar, ki bi prevzel odgovornost in dal povelje za napad.
Tole je intervju s prostovoljcem iz Armenije, ki je maja 2014 sodeloval pri okupaciji letališča v Donetsku.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation...
When did you cross the border?
It was around dawn on May 24. On the Ukrainian side, we were met by some high-level representatives of the [self-proclaimed] Donetsk People's Republic. They had taken over some military base in Donetsk and they put us up in a barracks there. We slept the whole day. Then we washed up, got ourselves in order.
The next day, May 25, we took part in the well-known parade in the city in our KamAZ trucks—the one that the Chechens made famous. They gave interviews, fired their weapons into the air, posed for the cameras. People were cheering and they greeted the volunteers from Russia like liberators. In the evening, we returned to our barracks.
And when did you first see combat?
They sounded the alarm on the night of May 25-26. There were three guys in my group—from Moscow, Lipetsk, and Chukotka [in Russia]. They were all killed. We were put in civilian buses and taken to the airport. All 100 of us went into the building and there we joined up with some Ossetians. The passengers were quickly evacuated, but employees remained at their posts. In the morning, two planes landed and we didn't interfere with the work of the airport. The building was quickly taken under control.
What was the point of seizing a civilian airport in Donetsk? The fighting at that time was in a completely different place, near Slovyansk.
To prevent them from sending in troops from Kiev. They told us no one would fire at us. Just pose for the cameras and that's all. They would see us, get scared, give up. We'd disarm everyone and send them home. The airport would be ours.
Who do you mean?
The Ukrainian troops around the airport. There was gossip that supposedly we were so tough and everyone was afraid of us. But it turned out just the opposite. At 2 p.m. the helicopters came. Then the airplanes, and they started bombing the place. I was on the roof and with my aide, I managed to get to the sixth floor. It was a big attack—I counted four helicopters and two planes.
What happened on your floor?
One Chechen was killed on the roof immediately. Two others were wounded. They fired on the helicopters with everything they had. It took me two or three seconds to get up there. I fired on the high area from where a sniper was shooting at us. They forced us tightly into the building and were bombing from all sides. They had missile launchers around the perimeter of the airport and were firing on the terminal.
Do you think it was betrayal or incompetence?
I don't know. We lost a lot of men. One of the Chechens—a really smart guy—threw a couple of smoke bombs onto the roof and managed to drag his wounded comrades out. (...) Someone contacted the commander—a guy called Spark—and we were given the order to get into the trucks. It was nearly evening. The trucks were standing inside—in the terminal. I didn't want to get in. I knew how risky it was. Spark told me, "If you question the order, I'll shoot you here." I took my weapon and got in.
There were dead and wounded there?
//med umikom se jim je zgodil prijateljski ogenj
We rushed past at high speed. I didn't manage to look. Someone was still shooting. After about 500 meters, someone fired on our truck with a grenade launcher. The shell landed in the driver's cabin. (...) The truck that they hit first got caught in a crossfire from machine guns. There were also snipers firing at them. At least 30 men died there—no fewer.
Did you know who controlled the city?
We were sure the city had been taken by the National Guard and that they were looking for us. (...) Someone told me that only three guys survived from the first truck. There was panic and terror. Someone told me that one guy blew himself up with a grenade to avoid being taken prisoner by the Ukrainians. They didn't understand that they were being attacked by their own people. Someone apparently told local militiamen that Right Sector [a Ukrainian nationalist group that was part of the Maidan protest movement] fighters were rushing down the highway in two trucks.
What was the official story?
//česar seveda ne smemo priznati, slabo za moralo
On television they said something like that the militias were transporting unarmed wounded under the sign of the red cross and Ukrainian forces fired on them. At that point, I still didn't know we'd been attacked by our own forces. I was sure it was the National Guard. Sometime in the morning of the 27th, two guys from the cover group that remained at the airport woke me up. They told me that it was friendly fire.
We were asking what to do next. We decided to run away during the night, secretly, on foot, back to the border and to Russia.
Še Vice s 26. in 27. maja 2014. Porošenko je bil izvoljen 25. maja, to je bila prva resna ukrajinska operacija, zato tak šok. Do takrat ni bilo nikogar, ki bi prevzel odgovornost in dal povelje za napad.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
SBU je v ATO coni posnel na stotisoče telefonskih klicev. Katera dobra vila je popolnoma razsuti obveščevalni službi polni ruskih vohunov pri tem pomagala, ne vem, ampak zna imeti kako povezavo s tistimi, ki so zasedli celo nadstropje sedeža SBU v Kijevu.
Iz intervjuja z Westerbekem, vodjem kriminalne preiskave v MH17:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
Iz intervjuja z Westerbekem, vodjem kriminalne preiskave v MH17:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
SimplyMiha ::
Ni panike, z dovolj mučenja vsaka "priča" pove, kar hočejo slišati. Ni čudno, da ne pridejo nikamor v tej vojni...
Pac-Man ::
SimplyMiha je izjavil:
Ni panike, z dovolj mučenja vsaka "priča" pove, kar hočejo slišati. Ni čudno, da ne pridejo nikamor v tej vojni...
Nisi registriral, da je govora o masovnem snemanju telefonskih klicev?
Kako bi tu izvajal mučenje? Celemu Donbasu res ne morejo predvajati tvojih citatov.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Zanimiv video, ki ga vidim prvič, ATO operacija v Slovjansku aprila 2014. To je pred doneškim letališčem in pred porošenkovo izvolitvijo.
Akcija se začne nekje po 6. minuti, na polovici. Precej hitro postane jasno, zakaj je bilo potrebno poslati regularno rusko vojsko, sicer bi bilo šova ekspresno konec.
Akcija se začne nekje po 6. minuti, na polovici. Precej hitro postane jasno, zakaj je bilo potrebno poslati regularno rusko vojsko, sicer bi bilo šova ekspresno konec.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Fritz ::
Zanimiv video, ki ga vidim prvič, ATO operacija v Slovjansku aprila 2014. To je pred doneškim letališčem in pred porošenkovo izvolitvijo.
Akcija se začne nekje po 6. minuti, na polovici. Precej hitro postane jasno, zakaj je bilo potrebno poslati regularno rusko vojsko, sicer bi bilo šova ekspresno konec.
Pogledal in ne razumem kaj naj bi mi postalo jasno oz. kako naj bi iz tega videa in zasedbe enega checkpointa potegnil kak resen sklep?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Separatisti: Folk v majicah in jeansu, oprema pretežno nikakva (Mosin Nagant @6:00, neprebojni jopič - kaj je to?), gradijo neke provizorične kontrolne točke, precejkrat iz gum. BMD-je so zelo verjetno zasegli tu
Vojska: Solidna oprema, zračna podpora, jasno jim je kaj počnejo, motivacija ne deluje problem. Najprej so zažgali kontrolne točke (stare gume lepo gorijo) in nato zasedli pozicije.
Vzemi na znanje, da je to Slovjansk, kjer se je zabarikadiral veliki vojskovodja Strelkov in njegova pretorijska garda. Elita DNR in vseeno nič od nič. Brez uradne pomoči iz Rusije bi bilo konflikta konec tam maja ali junija 2014. MH17 ne bi bil sestreljen.
Vojska: Solidna oprema, zračna podpora, jasno jim je kaj počnejo, motivacija ne deluje problem. Najprej so zažgali kontrolne točke (stare gume lepo gorijo) in nato zasedli pozicije.
Vzemi na znanje, da je to Slovjansk, kjer se je zabarikadiral veliki vojskovodja Strelkov in njegova pretorijska garda. Elita DNR in vseeno nič od nič. Brez uradne pomoči iz Rusije bi bilo konflikta konec tam maja ali junija 2014. MH17 ne bi bil sestreljen.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
V vasi s 628 prebivalci v okolici Moskve
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0...
Sergiyevo-Posadsky District @ Wikipedia
Stoji ta plošča
na njej piše
вечная память россииским воинам-добровольнам погиыним в донбассе, участнмкам первого боя за донецкии азропорт
vechnaya pamyat' rossiiskim voinam-dobrovol'nam pogiynim v donbasse, uchastnmkam pervogo boya za donetskii azroport
eternal memory of the Russian soldiers-volunteers killed in the Donbass, the participants of the first battle for Donetsk's airport
in pod tem 39 imen.
Ta bitka je bila 26.5.2014, kot že večkrat omenjeno gre za prvo resno operacijo ukrajinske vojske. Takrat je padlo tudi veliko Čečenov ki, predvidevam, niso na pravoslavnem obeležju.
Obstajajo poročila z odkritja konec maja 2016:
https://news-front.info/2016/05/30/v-ro...
Far je resno padel notri, gtranslate:
Father sincerely turned to the parishioners:
"Brothers and sisters! If there is no way to protect the land with weapons in hand - become a prayer warrior! The enemy, whatever he is, always remains an enemy. It is easier when the enemy came to our land with a gun in his hand. We see that he is an enemy. It is more difficult when the enemy comes into the guise of a "friend" and smiles in the face. The West is trying to destroy Russia, destroy our culture and faith! To impose on us devilish values. Let's be strong in our faith! Defend Russia! "
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0...
Sergiyevo-Posadsky District @ Wikipedia
Stoji ta plošča
na njej piše
вечная память россииским воинам-добровольнам погиыним в донбассе, участнмкам первого боя за донецкии азропорт
vechnaya pamyat' rossiiskim voinam-dobrovol'nam pogiynim v donbasse, uchastnmkam pervogo boya za donetskii azroport
eternal memory of the Russian soldiers-volunteers killed in the Donbass, the participants of the first battle for Donetsk's airport
in pod tem 39 imen.
Ta bitka je bila 26.5.2014, kot že večkrat omenjeno gre za prvo resno operacijo ukrajinske vojske. Takrat je padlo tudi veliko Čečenov ki, predvidevam, niso na pravoslavnem obeležju.
Obstajajo poročila z odkritja konec maja 2016:
https://news-front.info/2016/05/30/v-ro...
Far je resno padel notri, gtranslate:
Father sincerely turned to the parishioners:
"Brothers and sisters! If there is no way to protect the land with weapons in hand - become a prayer warrior! The enemy, whatever he is, always remains an enemy. It is easier when the enemy came to our land with a gun in his hand. We see that he is an enemy. It is more difficult when the enemy comes into the guise of a "friend" and smiles in the face. The West is trying to destroy Russia, destroy our culture and faith! To impose on us devilish values. Let's be strong in our faith! Defend Russia! "
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
7tom1ja ::
Dober izgovor Ukrajincev, ta imajo take slabo vojsko
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Pac-Man ::
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...
Ukraine plans to submit war-crimes claims against Russia at the Hague ICC as early as April this year. This is significant, among other things, as it may establish facts relating to #MH17 shoot-down earlier than the JIT court case will.
Part of the evidence to be submitted includes hard evidence of shelling civilian areas in Ukraine from Russian territory. Mark your calendar.
Ukraine plans to submit war-crimes claims against Russia at the Hague ICC as early as April this year. This is significant, among other things, as it may establish facts relating to #MH17 shoot-down earlier than the JIT court case will.
Part of the evidence to be submitted includes hard evidence of shelling civilian areas in Ukraine from Russian territory. Mark your calendar.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
https://www.unian.info/war/2360147-sbu-...
The Security Service of Ukraine, the SBU, has uploaded on its YouTube channel audio files of intercepted communications between Dmitry Utkin, head of the private military company (PMC) Wagner (...) and General of the Russian Armed Forces, Yevgeny Nikiforov (call sign "Tambov").
On January 27, 2015, the two men discuss the deployment of Wagner’s militants and military equipment to combat positions in the Ukrainian territory, the SBU claims. The Russian General instructs that Utkin warn his militants not to shoot at the armored vehicles that he had deployed there earlier and that they would see on their way as they approach their positions. “Don’t let them shoot! As they will approach their positions, in the forest to their left side there will be tanks, infantry fighting vehicles… Seven MBTs, 5 IFVs, 2 APCs… at their firing positions.”
A short extract of the two men’s conversation intercepted the next day, January 28, 2015
...
“They're kicking our a***s already, Yevgeny Valerievich,” Utkin is heard shouting, still addressing the General by his first name and patronymic as to his senior, but with a hint of criticism. After being told to retreat, he says he had already made this decision himself and that his unit is already backing off.
Malo čudno, da bi se direktor ukvarjal s takimi operativnimi problemi, ampak gre za 3 leta stare posnetke. Biznis je bil še mlad.
The Security Service of Ukraine, the SBU, has uploaded on its YouTube channel audio files of intercepted communications between Dmitry Utkin, head of the private military company (PMC) Wagner (...) and General of the Russian Armed Forces, Yevgeny Nikiforov (call sign "Tambov").
On January 27, 2015, the two men discuss the deployment of Wagner’s militants and military equipment to combat positions in the Ukrainian territory, the SBU claims. The Russian General instructs that Utkin warn his militants not to shoot at the armored vehicles that he had deployed there earlier and that they would see on their way as they approach their positions. “Don’t let them shoot! As they will approach their positions, in the forest to their left side there will be tanks, infantry fighting vehicles… Seven MBTs, 5 IFVs, 2 APCs… at their firing positions.”
A short extract of the two men’s conversation intercepted the next day, January 28, 2015
...
“They're kicking our a***s already, Yevgeny Valerievich,” Utkin is heard shouting, still addressing the General by his first name and patronymic as to his senior, but with a hint of criticism. After being told to retreat, he says he had already made this decision himself and that his unit is already backing off.
Malo čudno, da bi se direktor ukvarjal s takimi operativnimi problemi, ampak gre za 3 leta stare posnetke. Biznis je bil še mlad.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Iz fake news http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur...
The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (SAPO) were established.
But the public has not seen any important results, and the current government is accused of being no better than its predecessor
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Mr.B ::
Torej v Yemnu, ker je UAE prijazna dr#ava, ki kupuje oro#je od ameriöanov, paö delujejo öistor drugaöe, ko podpirajo separatiste ki se hoöejo osvoboditi koruptivnih politikov. Samo da tu umira od lakote veö kot 2 mijona naroda, v Ukrajini pa veöinoma od vodke.
Fighting broke out on Sunday after a deadline set by the separatists for Mr Hadi to dismiss Mr Dagher and his cabinet.
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The southern separatists are backed by the United Arab Emirates (UAE), which is also part of the Saudi-led coalition fighting the Houthis.
Fighting broke out on Sunday after a deadline set by the separatists for Mr Hadi to dismiss Mr Dagher and his cabinet.
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The southern separatists are backed by the United Arab Emirates (UAE), which is also part of the Saudi-led coalition fighting the Houthis.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Stravagate v Ukrajini.
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM
A Russian soldier apparently went through the Kuzminsky base (largest of the new Russian bases near Ukrainian border) with their Strava tracking enabled.
I could see this Strava heat map being useful for military forces in eastern Ukraine. For instance, this likely shows Russia-backed forces moving to & from an installation in western Donetsk, near Ukrainian-controlled Maryinka. 
The only people to have access to ruined Donetsk airport these days are Russian & separatist military types. Strava data appears to show their operating area & most-traveled paths to & from key locations. 
In Crimea, it would appear a Russian soldier enjoys running in circles on the tarmac of the Russia-controlled Ukrainian military air base in Belbek. 
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM
A Russian soldier apparently went through the Kuzminsky base (largest of the new Russian bases near Ukrainian border) with their Strava tracking enabled.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Pax man,
A to je kontra uni ameriski, ker tiste ameriske so bisveno bolj ditajlirane. Al nam hoces dokazati javno dejstvo da so se odcepili in priklopili rusiji, tako kot separatisti poizkusajo v Yemnu, samo da tam strada vec kot 2 mijona otrok, ter mater samohranilk.
A to je kontra uni ameriski, ker tiste ameriske so bisveno bolj ditajlirane. Al nam hoces dokazati javno dejstvo da so se odcepili in priklopili rusiji, tako kot separatisti poizkusajo v Yemnu, samo da tam strada vec kot 2 mijona otrok, ter mater samohranilk.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Mr.B ::
Pax man in podobni, tole se zagotovo obravnava drugace ker oni so nasi....
seized control of a key military base in the coastal city of Aden, after a UAE fighter jet bombed the facility
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/u...
seized control of a key military base in the coastal city of Aden, after a UAE fighter jet bombed the facility
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/u...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold