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Ukrajina Part II

Ukrajina Part II

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Pac-Man ::

Boljši prevod:

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Bom dal sem, ker gre za SZ

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/continental_...

Because the government required all companies to spend one percent of their revenue on advertising, the Soviet Union's sole ad agency churned out hundreds of commercials pitching imaginary products.

Vse skupaj je znalo bit presenetljivo psihadelično

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

V samooklicanih republikah imajo antifajevci probleme z muslimani, judi in črnci.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...

Going through social media posts of a Russian volunteer who "went to fight the Ukro-nazis". Among his posts:
* praise for the Christchurch shooter for "cleansing the world of Muslim scum"
* list of Jewish-owned brands to be avoided
* Meme of a black kid holding a bottle of bleach


The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenilo: Pac-Man ()

Pac-Man ::

ZN o nasilju v Odesi. 7. in 10. točka povzetka sta zanimivi.

https://twitter.com/kooleksiy/status/11...

http://www.un.org.ua/images/documents/4...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenilo: Pac-Man ()

Pac-Man ::

So govorice, da bo Surkov izgubil položaj viceroya na nekontroliranih teritorijih.

https://twitter.com/niktwick/status/112...

Nadomestil naj bi ga Babič, ki je bil prejšnji teden odpoklican s položaja veleposlanika v Belorusiji. Ker je bil pretežek.
Konec marca:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/...

Belarus is losing billions of dollars in budget revenue as a result of Russia’s new energy tax system, which shifts the tax burden on oil products from their export to extraction. Minsk, which previously bought duty-free crude oil from Russia under their customs union and then re-exported it at a profit, claims that the new system violates the terms of the Eurasian Economic Union. Moscow, for its part, has adopted a fundamentally new position and has proposed deeper integration via the union state that the two countries entered into in the 1990s.

Given the difference in size and political weight of the two countries, this could only really mean the seamless engulfment of Belarus by Russia. But Belarussian, including the ruling elite, are used to their independence, and Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko equates sovereignty with authority. Accordingly, this idea has not been greeted with enthusiasm in Minsk.

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But for the last six months, there has been a new Russian ambassador in Minsk, and he never misses an opportunity to take a shot in the rhetorical ping-pong.

When Babich, then a presidential plenipotentiary to Russia’s Volga federal district, was appointed ambassador to Belarus last year, Minsk was instantly wary of the former security services operative. Babich, who was Chechnya’s head of government during the second Chechen war, was previously made Russia’s ambassador to Ukraine in 2016, but Kiev rejected his appointment.

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Now irritation inside the Belarussian Foreign Ministry, which was reportedly dead against Babich’s appointment, has reached boiling point. The ambassador’s criticism of Lukashenko was a convenient excuse for the ministry’s furious response. After all, even if they went a little overboard in their reaction, who’s going to rebuke them for an overly zealous defense of their president from an attack?

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Babich isn’t afraid of damaging relations with Belarus, because Moscow has little to lose from upsetting Minsk. No one truly believes in Lukashenko’s apparent pivot toward the West. On the contrary, the thrust of the Russian position in the last few months has been: “if you don’t want to integrate with us, then pay your own way, look for cheap oil elsewhere, and let’s see how you get on.”

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But for Lukashenko and his economic and political system, there really is no easy way out. Europe won’t welcome into its ranks an autocrat, and the economic shocks that would result from a sudden rupture with Russia are too terrible for the Belarussian leader to even contemplate.

For this reason, Minsk will strive with all its might to slow down this process, and hedge its bets along the way, while not giving up its sovereignty. Babich will obviously find it harder to work in Belarus in the foreseeable future, especially in his dealings with state bodies. But as far as everything else is concerned, the two sides are unlikely to exacerbate either the conflict surrounding the ambassador or the broader dispute over oil and integration.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

ZN o nasilju v Odesi. 7. in 10. točka povzetka sta zanimivi.

https://twitter.com/kooleksiy/status/11...

http://www.un.org.ua/images/documents/4...

Zakaj bi bila 7. točka posebej zanimiva? Ker so jo etnični Rusi ali proruski Ukrajinci popihali iz Odese, kjer 5 let po umoru 48 ljudi in poškodovanju še 247 ljudi, niso našli nobenega krivca, čeprav za to obstajajo priče in video zapisi?

V takem okolju ni ravno zdravo biti 'drugačen', četudi si državni uradnik. Če si pa mislil na false-flag pa bo treba reč malce bolje argumentirati.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Mr.B ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

ZN o nasilju v Odesi. 7. in 10. točka povzetka sta zanimivi.

https://twitter.com/kooleksiy/status/11...

http://www.un.org.ua/images/documents/4...

Zakaj bi bila 7. točka posebej zanimiva? Ker so jo etnični Rusi ali proruski Ukrajinci popihali iz Odese, kjer 5 let po umoru 48 ljudi in poškodovanju še 247 ljudi, niso našli nobenega krivca, čeprav za to obstajajo priče in video zapisi?

V takem okolju ni ravno zdravo biti 'drugačen', četudi si državni uradnik. Če si pa mislil na false-flag pa bo treba reč malce bolje argumentirati.

A ni bilo lansko mleto nekje objavljeno, da se ukrajinci za#igajo zaradi korupcije.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Fritz ::

Korupcija je problem tudi pri nas in še marsikje drugje, ne samo v Ukrajini. Je pa v času konflikta korumpiranim elitam bistveno lažje utišati kritike, kot v neki mirni, uveljavljeni in resnično delujoči demokraciji (če kaj takšnega sploh še obstaja). To težavo imata tako Ukrajina kot tudi Rusija, z njo pa se npr. še danes otepata Hrvaška in Srbija. Če pride ven karkoli o kakšnem skorumpiranem politiku, ta le zavpije: "Glejte, tam so sovražniki nacije!", in korupcija, kriminal ipd. postanejo drugorazredna tema.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Zakaj bi bila 7. točka posebej zanimiva? Ker so jo etnični Rusi ali proruski Ukrajinci popihali iz Odese, kjer 5 let po umoru 48 ljudi in poškodovanju še 247 ljudi, niso našli nobenega krivca, čeprav za to obstajajo priče in video zapisi?

V takem okolju ni ravno zdravo biti 'drugačen', četudi si državni uradnik. Če si pa mislil na false-flag pa bo treba reč malce bolje argumentirati.


Ker je precej dokazov, da so sodelovali pri kurjenju pod ekonom loncem.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/ntv-lies-od...

Ali z ruske TV, CC za podnapise

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Sergej Glazjev je poleg drugih stvari putinov svetovalec.

Sergey Glazyev @ Wikipedia

Sergey Yurievich Glazyev (Russian: Серге́й Юрьевич Глазьев) (born January 1, 1961, in Zaporozhye, Ukrainian SSR, USSR) is a Russian politician and economist, advisor to the president of the Russian Federation on regional economic integration, member of the National Financial Council of the Bank of Russia, and, since 2008, a full member of the Russian Academy of Sciences.



Marca 2014 je dal intervju anglosaksonskemu mediju

https://nationalinterest.org/commentary...

The thing is, the entire crisis in Ukraine was orchestrated, provoked, and financed by American institutions in cooperation with their European partners. They financed neo-Nazis. For fifteen years, the U.S. and Europeans financed neo-Nazis’ training, their camps, and preparation. By U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s acknowledgement, the State Department spent $5 billion on the creation of an anti-Russian political and paramilitary elite. This work led to the sad situation that now in Ukraine neo-Nazi and neo-fascists ideas prevail, as does admiration for, more than anything, Stepan Bandera’s associates who in their time murdered Jews, Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, and whomever they wanted, burning or otherwise killing them under Nazi leadership. This is very dangerous. We do not understand why the U.S. and the American ambassador for many years and months systematically supported those neo-Nazi ideologies and even methodically trained their followers. Why did Ms. Nuland have to feed them cookies on the Maydan, thereby demonstrating the political and moral support of the United States.

V glavnem - pričakovan crap s strani putinovega svetovalca v marcu 2014. Praktično bere plonk ceglc.


Maja 2019 je spisal op-ed za skrajno desni in ultranacionalistični časopis Zavtra. Veliko prvoborcev v samooklicanih republikah prihaja iz teh krogov, npr. Strelkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/26534846.html

Not so long ago, the ultranationalist broadsheet "Zavtra" would occasionally pillory Russian President Vladimir Putin for various sins.

But that all changed with Russia's annexation of Crimea and support for pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine.

"With Crimea joining [Russia], Putin suits us. Putin is even an inspiration to us,” says Andrei Fefelov, an editor at "Zavtra" and the son of the newspaper's founder, Aleksandr Prokhanov.

...

Following Yeltsin's bloody confrontation with hard-liners in the Russian parliament in October 1993, "Den" was shut down by the authorities. But it was soon resurrected as "Zavtra," with Prokhanov still at the helm. It continued to be a hotbed of the "red-brown" ideology, a fusion of nationalism, monarchism, and nostalgia for Soviet Communism.

...

Anton Shekhovtsov, a visiting fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences, describes "Zavtra" as "a fascist newspaper."

...

Two of the paper’s alumni, former staff writer Aleksandr Borodai and contributor Igor Girkin, took up leading positions in the Russia-backed separatist campaign against Kyiv.



Poglejmo torej njegov op-ed, se opravičujem za gtranslate

http://zavtra.ru/blogs/glaz_ev_raskol

At least 10 million people were forced to leave Ukraine occupied by pro-American neo-Nazis. And these are its best citizens: engineers, scientists, doctors - the productive elite of the people. And its gene pool - beautiful girls and strong boys, used today as slaves in the European Union. And those who made the “European choice” for them, seized the institutions of state power, jumping from uneducated Gopniks to the “noble lords”: deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, heads of state-owned enterprises and power structures, profit from plundering the remaining “sovereign lane”. Finally, ideological losses. What the German fascists failed to do by force, trying to turn the people of occupied Ukraine into Bandera, the American curators managed to do by brainwashing, turning hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children into distraught cannon fodder, voluntarily enrolling in the Armed Forces of Ukraine to kill their own brothers.

...

Probably, they will set new tasks for the updated Kiev regime. I do not exclude, for example, the possibility of a massive move to the “cleared out” of the Russian population of the land of the South-East of Ukraine by the inhabitants of the Promised Land tired of the permanent war in the Middle East - just like the Christians fleeing from Islamizing Europe.


Ohjej.




BUT I SEE YOUR TRUE COLORS SHINING THROUGH!!!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Zakaj bi bila 7. točka posebej zanimiva? Ker so jo etnični Rusi ali proruski Ukrajinci popihali iz Odese, kjer 5 let po umoru 48 ljudi in poškodovanju še 247 ljudi, niso našli nobenega krivca, čeprav za to obstajajo priče in video zapisi?

V takem okolju ni ravno zdravo biti 'drugačen', četudi si državni uradnik. Če si pa mislil na false-flag pa bo treba reč malce bolje argumentirati.


Ker je precej dokazov, da so sodelovali pri kurjenju pod ekonom loncem.

Ali z ruske TV, CC za podnapise

Aja, ker so eni protestirali (tudi nasilno, nič ne rečem), je bilo treba neoborožen folk zakurit in pobit. Torej, če protestniki niso pravi, potem lahko?

Krivci za umore so na ukrajinski strani in to, da jih ukrajinski organi pregona ne najdejo in sodišča ne obsodijo, je problem Ukrajine. Karkoli so ti policisti tedaj počeli, tega ne spremeni, razen če niso sami sodelovali pri umorih in požigu.

Tako jaz razumem posnetke in zgoraj prilepljeno poročanje.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

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Pac-Man ::

Da, Ukrajina bi morala storiti več okrog pregona svojih odgovornih.

Mi je pa zanimivo, da je Fuchedzhi, big baddie z ruske nacionalke, poiskal azil v Rusiji. Morda je tudi po njegovi zaslugi končno dobila mit, ki si ga je tako želela in s katerim so lahko motivirali lepo število upornikov. Tako pravih kot uvoženih.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Parada za dan zmage v Donetsku, Zakarčenkov pogreb in parada 2018. Fotke:

https://vk.com/albums359231831

Okrog Zakarčenkovega umora ni od septembra še nič novega.

Alexander Zakharchenko @ Wikipedia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Morda je tudi po njegovi zaslugi končno dobila mit, ki si ga je tako želela in s katerim so lahko motivirali lepo število upornikov. Tako pravih kot uvoženih.


L. 2014 sta v DNR padla 2 prostovoljca iz Češke.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/11...

Apparently two Czech men died fighting in the DNR in December 2014 -- anyone know more about which outfit these guys were fighting with?
I don't remember seeing them with any of the Limonovtsy or Kurginyan groups, which is where a big chunk of the non-Russian foreigners end up.


And, as always, @666_mancer immediately knows the answer:

And looks like they probably died in August 2014, not December, so plenty to straighten out.

I have seen them described as fighting with the "Pyatnashka" International Brigade, and one article referenced Ivo Stejskal as fighting with Batallion Vostok.


Tole je odgovor - intervju za rusko nacionalko. @1:15 precej čustveno pove, da je prišel zaradi "dogodkov v Odesi".



Avgust 2014

https://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-udal...

Ivo Stejskal from Brno also stood on the separatist side. But a few days ago there was a message that he had died in the fighting in Donetsk. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has no information about it. If he really died, he could be buried in a mass grave.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenilo: Pac-Man ()

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Morda je tudi po njegovi zaslugi končno dobila mit, ki si ga je tako želela in s katerim so lahko motivirali lepo število upornikov. Tako pravih kot uvoženih.


L. 2014 sta v DNR padla 2 prostovoljca iz Češke.

Saj lepo, da sam sebe prepričuješ, ker mene boš bolj težko prepričal, da je tista ukrajinska nacionalistična svojat, ki je požgala Dom sindikatov in pretepala tiste, ki so ušli ognjenim zubljem, ruski false flag:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/...

With the 2 May anniversary just days away, 12 people linked to pro-Russia groups were arrested in an anti-terrorist operation on Wednesday, according to security services. Those detained reportedly included the mother of pro-Russia leaders Artyom and Anton Davidchenko, who fled Ukraine last year, as well as a local pro-Russia journalist.

None of the pro-Ukraine activists have been put on trial for the events that led to the deaths in the Trade Unions building. The slow progress and incompetence of the official investigation was probably attributable to a general feeling of guilt as well as a desire to shield influential figures in Kiev, according to journalist Konstantinov.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Ni vse false flag, je pa v imenu propagande prenapihnjeno.

Podobno z neonacisti.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pa verjetno tudi z raketiranjem centra Luganska s Su-25, anede.

Lej, tisti dan je v Odesi umrlo 52 pro-ruskih ali anti-maidan ljudi in 2 pro-ukrajinska ali pro maidan človeka in 5 let po dogodku so se organi pregona in sodišča uspeli ukvarjati samo s pro-ruskimi osumljenci, od katerih je večina nedosegljiva, saj je po teh dogodkih veliko pro-rusov pobralo šila in kopita in šlo v njim bolj prijazno okolje.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Prisegel je nov predsednik, razpustil parlament, ministri odstopajo...precej štale.

V Angleščini:

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Jagodni izbor:

During Zelenskiy's address to the nation, the most anticipated part of the inauguration ceremony:
“We decided we’re going to #Europe. But Europe isn’t somewhere there. Europe is here,” he said, pointing to his head.
He says “I don’t want my portraits in offices because the president is not an icon” he calls on officials to hang pictures of their kids instead and “look them in the eyes” each time they take a decision.

“I’m disbanding Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of the eighth convocation” Zelensky announces in his inaugural speech.
He says for years he worked to make ukrainians smile. “For the next five years I will do my best to make sure you don’t cry”. End of speech

Minister of Defense of Ukraine Poltorak has resigned

#SBU chief Hrytsak tenders resignation

Two have now tendered their resignation, now waiting for the odious Prosecutor General Lutsenko to join (and most likely to flee the country if he does)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2...

As the very sharp Ukrainian philosopher Volodomyr Yermolenko first noted to me, part of Zelensky’s appeal is that he offers a way for people who still feel close to Soviet and Russian pop culture to become politically European. This is attractive to many. Since 1991 the main way to head towards “Europe” in Ukraine was a post-colonial Ukrainian identity, centered, like many 19th- and 20th-century national-liberation projects, around language and memories of martyrs sacrificed in the name of independence over many centuries of imperial oppression—an approach that the previous President Poroshenko tried to encapsulate with his election slogan “Army, Language, Religion.” With Zelensky’s approach, one can be “European” while retaining the attributes of late Soviet culture.

This process can upset those who have risked, sacrificed, and staked much on the project of Ukrainian national liberation over the centuries. But it is also potentially subversive for Putin’s cultural model of the Russian world too: It opens a space where you can take the positive associations of Soviet culture and fuse them with a desire for democracy. The great, late 1970s Soviet films are still shown in prime time TV slots in Russia and beamed to Russian speakers in the post-Soviet “near abroad.” The emotions they capture—that desire for values in a cynical world—still resonate. By screening them next to Putin TV’s ultra-propaganda with its sneering, sarcastic tone, the Kremlin has managed to co-opt the wistful yearning for decency of the older Soviet films with geopolitical ambitions: Come for the lovely, gentle movies that prove you have a soul, stay for the spittle-laden current affairs show brimming with hate that satisfies other needs.

This has been the skill of the Kremlin: to own both the snarling cynicism of Great Power Bullying and its emotional critique—simultaneously to own arrogance and humbleness, so the whole rainbow of experiences can be subsumed into one great Russian World of feeling where all emotional roads and cultural associations lead to the Kremlin. Breaking the Kremlin’s emotional geography on all ways to think and feel in Russian, to feel a connection to the past, is an important and subversive project.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Za Motor Sich in Ukrajino na splošno je Kitajska nadomestila ruski trg.

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/cas...

"If they ban us from working with China," Boguslayev said, "then the first thing I'll do is fire 10,000 people."

Motor Sich, dubbed the "Czar of Engines" in the Chinese media, has what Beijing wants: It can supply warplane engines and the know-how to one day possibly make a Chinese-built version.

The Chinese, in turn, have what Motor Sich wants: reliable buyers.

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China is on pace to surpass Russia by next year as Ukraine's biggest single-country trading partner. In 2018, Ukraine traded $9.8 billion in goods with China - a 51% increase over two years and more than double the $4 billion in trade with the United States.

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A spokesman for Motor Sich said 35% of the company's $450 million in sales last year went to China, making the country the company's biggest destination for its aircraft engines. No sales went to Russia, the spokesman said. Six years ago, by contrast, one-third of the company's $1.1 billion in total sales went to Russia.

"Russia is gone. So I have to be in China now," Boguslayev said.

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In the southwestern Chinese city of Chongqing, Motor Sich and Beijing Skyrizon in 2017 agreed to jointly build a plant to service and manufacture aircraft engines. The Chinese partners offered to build a small town in which Ukrainian engineers would feel at home, Boguslayev said.

"They said, 'Give us 1,000 people,' " Boguslayev recalled. " 'We'll build a church for you here. We'll build a kindergarten.' "

The plant has been partially built, Boguslayev said, but is not yet operational.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Kje so danes prvoborci za Novorusijo?

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/06/01...

TL;DR Igra prestolov. Razen enega mrtvi ali daleč od oblasti.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Timurlenk ::

Obtožnice proti Amerišenku
The criminal cases opened against former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko based on lawsuits filed by attorney Andrei Portnov could carry weight in court, Director of the State Investigative Bureau Roman Truba said, as cited by TASS.

"Lawsuits concerning crimes are registered automatically, this is what the law requires," he said, as cited by the Ukrainian News Agency. "I can't talk about the conclusions that investigative teams have already drawn because the secrecy of the investigation must be maintained. However, in my view, given the arguments cited in the lawsuits, it is safe to assume that these cases have prospects in court," Truba added.

According to him, an investigation into the lawsuits is well underway.
Demokracija je zdej v drugem planu, to je vendar jasno.

Zgodovina sprememb…

Pac-Man ::

Državljanska vojna, kjer voditelji ene vojskujoče se strani redno letijo po sosednji državi, ki ni nikakor vpletena v konflikt.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/11...

I'm combing through some leaked Russian databases from airplane tickets, and will post some interesting things I come across regarding LDNR figures -- let's see if some of these trips are at all interesting for further research.

Aleksandr Khodakovsky flew from Moscow to Grozny on 7 October 2014, then went back 2 days later.
Khodakovsky flew from Krasnodar to Simferopol on 26 March 2016. This may be notable (or maybe not at all) because every flight we've seen connected to Wagnerovtsy is through Krasnodar.

Denis Pushilin flew between Rostov (closest major airport to eastern Ukraine) and Moscow on...
15 July 2014 (M > R)
30 July (R > M)
2 October (M > R)
7 December (M > R)
17 December (R > M)
17 January 2015 (M > R)
3 February (M > R)
13 February (M > R)
(Records not 100% complete)

Aleksandr Zakharchenko flew between Rostov and Moscow on...
20 Sep. 2014 (M > R)
5 Nov. (R > M)
7 Nov. (M > R)
19 Nov. (R > M)
20 Nov. (M > R)
14 Dec. (M > R)
5 Jan. 2015 (M > R)
10 Feb. (R > M)
2 March (R > M)
5 March (M > R)
28 March (R > M)
10 March 2016 (R > M)

Surkov flew from Moscow to Rostov on 19 November 2014.

Oleg Ivannikov -- the Russian GRU officer who worked with Wagner extensively in 2014, was involved with the downing of MH17, and served as the South Ossetian Defense Minister in 2006-2018 -- traveled...

Igor Bezler is nowhere to be found in here, likely corroborating accounts of him leaving Horlivka for Crimea to lead a (relatively) quiet life.

Igor Plotnitsky (head of the LNR 2014-7) traveled....

Motorola (Arsen Pavlov) traveled from Moscow to Rostov on 6 August 2014

Sergei Dubinsky -- Strelkov's deputy who handled military intelligence/recon in 2014 and a prime suspect in the MH17 downing -- traveled between Rostov (where he now lives) and Moscow...
4 Nov 2014 (R>M)
6 Nov 2014 (M>R)
23 Nov 2014 (R>M)
28 Nov 2014 (M>R)
2 Jan 2015 (R>M)

That's all for now, but let me know if anyone finds specific events/overlaps/etc. that shed more light on any of these trips.
The Khodakovsky ones to Krasnodar and Grozny are especially interesting.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Timurlenk ::

Ukrajino je ustanovil Stalin. Check make Ukraine nationalists.
Demokracija je zdej v drugem planu, to je vendar jasno.

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Timurlenk ::

Hm, kdo je že bil komisar za narodnosti v točno tem obdobju? Aja točno
Demokracija je zdej v drugem planu, to je vendar jasno.

Pac-Man ::

Čez vikend je bila v Kijevu parada ponosa, skrajna desnica se je odločila za napad s kondomi napolnjenimi s fekalijami.
V ta namen so ukradli par mobilnih WC-jev, katerih vsebino so lastnoročno polnili v ad hoc drekbalončke. Pred samo izvedbo pa jih je ujela policija.



Več v dovtipov polnem prispevku na

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/stat...

Popular #Ukrainian TV channel is shelled from grenade launcher in order to prevent its broadcast today of US #Documentary by @TheOliverStone. It would reveal involvement of #Maidan snipers in Maidan massacre. Would there be any reaction from US government?

Paco, boš kaj omenil to nevtralnemu Elliotu, da raziščejo z "open sources"
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

Pac-Man ::

To lahko opravimo kar tu.

Raketiranje civilnih objektov je zavrženo dejanje. Na srečo jo je v tem primeru skupil samo znak.
Tudi zato gre morda za false flag napad.


Zakaj obstaja ta možnost?

21. julija bodo v Ukrajini potekale parlamentarne volitve. TV Kanal 112 Ukrajina je njihova verzija Nova24 TV, v lasti na drugem mestu kotirajoče stranke.

2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election @ Wikipedia
Ukrainian Choice @ Wikipedia

Taras Kozak @ Wikipedia
Taras Kozak is a member of political organization "Ukrainskiy vybor" led by Viktor Medvedchuk.[5] At the end of 2018 the Ukrainian politician official acquired several important Ukrainian television media such as NewsOne (from Yevhen Muraev)[6] and 112 Ukraine.[7] In June of 2019 Kozak also bought television channel ZIK.[8] After acquiring of ZIK by Kozak, journalists en masse left the company in protest.[9]

Pri samem dokumentarcu gre za očitno predvolilno propagando, tega sploh ne skrivajo.

Režiral & spisal ga je Igor Lopatonok, Oliver Stone je sodeloval kot producent in novinar.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10498588/

Premiero je doživel na filmskem festivalu v Taormini, kjer je žiriji predsedoval - Oliver Stone.
Sicer ni dobil nagrade za najboljši dokumentarni film, so mu pa podelili nek levi Grand Prix, s katerim se zdaj lahko hvalijo.
Medvedčuk z ženo se je metal ven like there's no tomorrow, 112.ua pa je o dogajanju poročal kot da gre vsaj za Cannes. Vsak dan članek ali dva, zanimivo bi bilo pogledati, kako so izgledala poročila.

https://112.international/society/oscar...
https://112.international/society/65th-...
https://112.international/society/the-6...
https://112.international/society/vikto...
https://112.international/society/nicol...
https://112.international/society/ukrai...
https://112.international/politics/it-i...
https://112.international/ukraine-top-n...
https://112.international/society/ukrai...
https://112.international/society/dolce...
https://112.international/society/oksan...
https://112.international/society/oscar...
https://112.international/society/olive...

Na kratko - oligarhična mafija festival in zvezde izrabi za (samo)promocijo pred volitvami. Pričakujem, da bo ukrajinski elektorat videl skozi.
Viktor Medvedchuk @ Wikipedia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

Prosecutor General of #Ukraine states that criminal prosecution of all involved for state treason & financing of terrorism would be launched if @TheOliverStone award-winning US #documentary, Revealing Ukraine, would be shown on #Ukrainian TV this weekend.

Oliharhična mafija as in Porky and co.?
demokratično ni kaj, glavno, da bodo Ukrajinci "spregledali"

Mimogrede to ni prvi film, ki na laž postavlja US&A propagando o sniperjih; Italijani so naredili nekaj podobnega
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

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Pac-Man ::

1) Vrhovni tožilec (Lutsenko) bo po parlamentarnih volitvah zgodovina.
Yuriy Lutsenko @ Wikipedia


2) Ne, malenkost drugače.

Oče je bil kolaborant, zato se je Medvedčuk rodil v izgnanstvu v Sibiriji in vso mladost živel s črno piko. Če je želel postati uspešen, se je moral z dušo in telesom predati partiji in njenim strukturam. Vse kaže, da je to storil in še vedno počne.

Viktor Medvedchuk @ Wikipedia

In November 1971, Medvedchuk found a job as sorter at the Kiev Railroad Post office factory producing periodicals, and by the start of 1972 he was an overstaffed militsiya worker at the Motovylivka station (located in Borova). Already in summer of 1972 Medvedchuk successfully passed an entrance exam to the Law School of Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv, however was not admitted. On 12 September 1972 he was enrolled in the University by the Rector's order #445, based on the authorization from the Ministry of the Interior of he Ukrainian SSR.[9] The reason for it, in the opinion of Dmytro Chobot, was "a secret cooperation with militia" which was confirmed by the Supreme Court of Ukraine.[10]

...

He graduated from the Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv in 1978 as a lawyer and next year he became a member of the Kyiv City Collegiate of Attorneys.[1] Medvedchuk "defended" poet Vasyl Stus during his trial in 1980.[11][12] In the closing speech from the defence, Medvedchuk stated all of Stus' crimes deserved punishment; he also told the court to make sure that the defendant fulfilled his daily norm at the factory where he worked at the time, despite alleged serious stomach problems.[11] In a 2018 interview with The Independent Medvedchuk claimed he could not have operated differently: “Stus denounced the Soviet government, and didn’t consider it to be legitimate. Everyone decides their own fate. Stus admitted he agitated against the Soviet government. He was found guilty by the laws of the time. When the laws changed, the case was dropped. Unfortunately, he died.”[4]

...

In one instance, Medvedchuk paid a "huge amount of money" to the Ukrainian National Assembly leader Eduard Kovalenko to hold a march supporting Yushchenko against his wishes. The march included Nazi-like flags and symbols, and Kovalenko used a Nazi salute in his support speech. The move was meant to discredit the democratic candidate (Yushchenko) in the eyes of Western observers.[22]

...

Activists of Euromaidan allege that Medvedchuk was among the masterminds of the 25 December 2013 attempted murder of Ukrainian journalist Tetiana Chornovol.[30] They call him a "perpetrator" and link his name to the all bloody events of the government strike against the Euromaidan.[31]

...

Russian president Vladimir Putin is the godfather of Medvedchuk's daughter Darina (born in 2004).



3) Ne vem koliko postavlja na laž karkoli, razen integritete vseh sodelujočih. Glede na prikolico je film sestavljen iz dveh delov - Oliver Stone intervjuja Medvedčuka, nato pa medvedčukova žena intervjuja Oliverja Stona.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

Inegriteta Oliverja Stona ? aha Elliot je nevtralen, Stone pa ne
veš kaj je tvoj problem Paco, imaš eno propričanje in potem iščeš vso možno gradivo, ki bi podprlo to prepričanje. Moralo bi pa biti ravno obratno.
Glede na to, da toliko spremljaš Ukrajino sem prpričan, da veš sam pri sebi, da uradna zgodba o sniperjih smrdi do neba.
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

Pac-Man ::

Ko enkrat prejmeš glavno vlogo v "dokumentarnem" filmu / predvolilnem oglasu, ki ga je režiral gospod s tem YT kanalom

https://www.youtube.com/user/tmedia1082...

Anti NATO oglas iz l. 2008

Anti NATO Ads Producer Igor Lopatonok



Zadnja leta pa objavlja oglase za luksuzne nepremičnine v Kaliforniji

Real Estate 1201 Laurel Way, Beverly Hills, California


in zelo verjetno financirala ta dva Ukrajinca
https://112.international/society/oksan...
Svojo integriteto pač postaviš pod vprašaj.

Lahko dodam še ta bombonček.

Footage of "Russian helicopter bombing ISIS" shown to Oliver Stone by Putin appears to be taken from 2013 US Afghan video

Raša kul, USA sucks. Morda tvoja trditev o meni velja (tudi) za Oliverja?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

Niti russia nit US niso kul, je pa Raša precej manjša grožnja svetovnemu miru za vse nevtralne opazovalce (dokazano v vseh mogočih anketah).
Kaj misliš, da se je Oliver, vientamski veteran prostovoljec dobitnik purple heart, kar naenkrat postal russia lover... ali pa je tako kot moja malenkost uvidel kakšna grožnja so US za svetovni mir....

tale zadnji video je sploh super US propaganda, ja Putin je pokazal napačen video ker niso bombandirali teroristov v Siriji, kajne... bedarije
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

Pac-Man ::

Vidim par kiksov, sicer pa več ali manj to, kar sem napisal.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/revealing...

When Oliver Stone announced at the end of June that he would be premiering a new documentary, Revealing Ukraine, at the Taormina Film Festival in Sicily, not many people noticed. That's not itself so surprising given his slide over recent years from producing acclaimed Hollywood blockbusters into bootlicking hagiographies of dictators with axes to grind against the United States. The only media that did take an interest was controlled by either the Russian government or a certain Ukrainian businessman.

...

The re-use of so many elements from Stone's previous documentary, Ukraine on Fire, screams of a bargain-bin production. In fact the promotional poster for Revealing Ukraine even uses the exact same photo of Stone from that of Ukraine on Fire--and in the same position no less.

...

So is Medvedchuk's star role in Stone's new film simply a reflection of his rising prominence or is it his own PR vehicle?

The fact that his wife, a former X Factor Ukraine presenter with a suspicious history of Russian business connections herself, Oksana Marchenko, receives title billing as a "journalist" certainly indicates the latter. Indeed 112 and NewsOne have been running indulgent reports on the lavish festival, broadcasting footage of Medvedchuk and Marchenko ostentatiously delivering a bouquet of flowers to Nicole Kidman, and attending a soiree with Stone and Domenico Dolce, whose garments Viktor apparently wears exclusively, and who considers him a "friend."

Apart from the Medvedchuk family and President Putin, the other names attached to this film are pretty low-grade. Director Igor Lopatonok (Stone is the star and executive producer but was not behind the camera for this venture) has little to his name than his previous work on Ukraine on Fire, several colorized remasters of Soviet-era films and a quantity of real-estate videos. Lopatonok demonstrated either spectacular ignorance or mendacity regarding one of his subjects when he recently claimed on Facebook that Putin was never an agent of the KGB, something the Russian president has often publicly reminisced about.

The other "stars" listed on the film's IMDB page are Ivan Katchanovski, an academic promoting conspiracy theories claiming that the protesters shot dead on the Maidan in 2014 were the victims of a "false flag" operation, and Lee Stranahan, an American host on the Russian state-owned Radio Sputnik and former Breitbart journalist. Stranahan was profiled in a 2016 New York Times piece for his role in spreading racially charged misinformation around the yogurt company Chobani in Twin Falls, Idaho.

Revealing Ukraine will receive its public premiere on Medvechuk's 112 channel on July 13, with Russian state media already highlighting choice, if rather boring, lines from Stone's interview with Putin. At Taormina, the film received the Best Documentary prize, despite the presence of Stone on the festival's feature film competition jury. This whole affair looks sordid for Stone, who has for some time gone out of his way to bat for any regime as long as they are an opponent of the United States, but had hitherto refrained from quite so obviously doing the bidding of a private businessman.


7tom1ja je izjavil:

Niti russia nit US niso kul, je pa Raša precej manjša grožnja svetovnemu miru za vse nevtralne opazovalce (dokazano v vseh mogočih anketah).
Kaj misliš, da se je Oliver, vientamski veteran prostovoljec dobitnik purple heart, kar naenkrat postal russia lover... ali pa je tako kot moja malenkost uvidel kakšna grožnja so US za svetovni mir....

tale zadnji video je sploh super US propaganda, ja Putin je pokazal napačen video ker niso bombandirali teroristov v Siriji, kajne... bedarije


Daj Rusiji podobno moč, kot jo imajo ZDA in bo hitro drugače. Enostavno ne razumem levičarjev, ki navijajo za budding teokracijo, kjer bodo med prvimi na listi za odstrel.

Po mojem mnenju je Stone blazno obremenjen s to vietnamsko izkušnjo in posledično refleksno kontrira ameriški politiki. Precej pogost sindrom pri t.i. oporečnikih.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Vidim par kiksov, sicer pa več ali manj to, kar sem napisal.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/revealing...

When Oliver Stone announced at the end of June that he would be premiering a new documentary, Revealing Ukraine, at the Taormina Film Festival in Sicily, not many people noticed. That's not itself so surprising given his slide over recent years from producing acclaimed Hollywood blockbusters into bootlicking hagiographies of dictators with axes to grind against the United States. The only media that did take an interest was controlled by either the Russian government or a certain Ukrainian businessman.

...

The re-use of so many elements from Stone's previous documentary, Ukraine on Fire, screams of a bargain-bin production. In fact the promotional poster for Revealing Ukraine even uses the exact same photo of Stone from that of Ukraine on Fire--and in the same position no less.

...

So is Medvedchuk's star role in Stone's new film simply a reflection of his rising prominence or is it his own PR vehicle?

The fact that his wife, a former X Factor Ukraine presenter with a suspicious history of Russian business connections herself, Oksana Marchenko, receives title billing as a "journalist" certainly indicates the latter. Indeed 112 and NewsOne have been running indulgent reports on the lavish festival, broadcasting footage of Medvedchuk and Marchenko ostentatiously delivering a bouquet of flowers to Nicole Kidman, and attending a soiree with Stone and Domenico Dolce, whose garments Viktor apparently wears exclusively, and who considers him a "friend."

Apart from the Medvedchuk family and President Putin, the other names attached to this film are pretty low-grade. Director Igor Lopatonok (Stone is the star and executive producer but was not behind the camera for this venture) has little to his name than his previous work on Ukraine on Fire, several colorized remasters of Soviet-era films and a quantity of real-estate videos. Lopatonok demonstrated either spectacular ignorance or mendacity regarding one of his subjects when he recently claimed on Facebook that Putin was never an agent of the KGB, something the Russian president has often publicly reminisced about.

The other "stars" listed on the film's IMDB page are Ivan Katchanovski, an academic promoting conspiracy theories claiming that the protesters shot dead on the Maidan in 2014 were the victims of a "false flag" operation, and Lee Stranahan, an American host on the Russian state-owned Radio Sputnik and former Breitbart journalist. Stranahan was profiled in a 2016 New York Times piece for his role in spreading racially charged misinformation around the yogurt company Chobani in Twin Falls, Idaho.

Revealing Ukraine will receive its public premiere on Medvechuk's 112 channel on July 13, with Russian state media already highlighting choice, if rather boring, lines from Stone's interview with Putin. At Taormina, the film received the Best Documentary prize, despite the presence of Stone on the festival's feature film competition jury. This whole affair looks sordid for Stone, who has for some time gone out of his way to bat for any regime as long as they are an opponent of the United States, but had hitherto refrained from quite so obviously doing the bidding of a private businessman.


7tom1ja je izjavil:

Niti russia nit US niso kul, je pa Raša precej manjša grožnja svetovnemu miru za vse nevtralne opazovalce (dokazano v vseh mogočih anketah).
Kaj misliš, da se je Oliver, vientamski veteran prostovoljec dobitnik purple heart, kar naenkrat postal russia lover... ali pa je tako kot moja malenkost uvidel kakšna grožnja so US za svetovni mir....

tale zadnji video je sploh super US propaganda, ja Putin je pokazal napačen video ker niso bombandirali teroristov v Siriji, kajne... bedarije


Daj Rusiji podobno moč, kot jo imajo ZDA in bo hitro drugače. Enostavno ne razumem levičarjev, ki navijajo za budding teokracijo, kjer bodo med prvimi na listi za odstrel.

Po mojem mnenju je Stone blazno obremenjen s to vietnamsko izkušnjo in posledično refleksno kontrira ameriški politiki. Precej pogost sindrom pri t.i. oporečnikih.



Kateri neobremenjen posamezik, ki ima IQ nas 80 in ne mara vojne pa ne bi kontriral ameriški politiki...
Wrong; Sovjetska zveza je imela podobno moč kot US in se niti približno niso šli toliko avantur kot US. Če bi malo pobrskal zgodovinske knjige bi hitro ugotovil, da je bila Rusija v večini primerov žrtev napada ne pa agresor za razliko od Us&A; in motiš se glede Stona, njegovo mnenje izhaja iz celotne pretekle zgodovine (kot moje), naredil je tudi super doku skupaj z zgodovinarjem Petrom Kunickom The Untold History of the United States

misilm, pišeš o biased ljudeh potem mi daš pa članek iz dayli beast
na ti še malo pomagam, dober feed; blame Putin :-)
https://twitter.com/blame_putin
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

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gozdar1 ::

Sz nikoli ni imela iste moči, vojaško je bila predvsem kopenska sila + ni imela ekonomske osnove supersile (soft power) v marsičem je današnja rusija njena pomanjšana verzija. Bolj smiselna primerjava bi bila med zda in bivšimi evropskimi silami (VB; francija,..).

Pac-Man ::

7tom1ja je izjavil:



Spustil si pomemben del. Refleksno.

Če gremo do Godwina - SZ, Poljska in konec koncev tudi Francija in VB (imperija) so bile pred 2. sv. vojno precej velik šit. Ampak to ni dober vzrok za whitewashing nacistične Nemčije, ker multipolarni svet.

Untold history sem ob izidu pogledal in se mi je zdela odlična. Ampak spet - med kritiziranjem politike ZDA in sodelovanju pri hagiografijah avtokratov (Putin Interviews) in zelo verjetno oligarhov (tole sveže sranje) je malenkost razlike.

Kako pogosto ali ne so bile žrtve si lahko pogledaš tu
List of wars involving Russia @ Wikipedia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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7tom1ja ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

Sz nikoli ni imela iste moči, vojaško je bila predvsem kopenska sila + ni imela ekonomske osnove supersile (soft power) v marsičem je današnja rusija njena pomanjšana verzija. Bolj smiselna primerjava bi bila med zda in bivšimi evropskimi silami (VB; francija,..).


Je bila le kopenska sila.... zakaj le ? To je njihova vojaška doktrina, ne rabijo drugega zaradi velikosti ozemlja. Govoril sem o vojaški moči, ki je bila po ww2 dolgo časa primerljiva z US
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

7tom1ja je izjavil:



Spustil si pomemben del. Refleksno.

Če gremo do Godwina - SZ, Poljska in konec koncev tudi Francija in VB (imperija) so bile pred 2. sv. vojno precej velik šit. Ampak to ni dober vzrok za whitewashing nacistične Nemčije, ker multipolarni svet.

Untold history sem ob izidu pogledal in se mi je zdela odlična. Ampak spet - med kritiziranjem politike ZDA in sodelovanju pri hagiografijah avtokratov (Putin Interviews) in zelo verjetno oligarhov (tole sveže sranje) je malenkost razlike.

Kako pogosto ali ne so bile žrtve si lahko pogledaš tu
List of wars involving Russia @ Wikipedia


Poznam točno to zgodovino, sedaj pa primerjaj to s 300 letno zgodovino US in hitro prideš do enega zaključka. US so pač warmongering nation, že od mladih nog jim vbijajo v glavo, da so večvredni od ostalih in potem se to odraža v njihovi zunanji politiki. Militarizem je prisoten na vseh možnih športnih, kulturnih,...dogodkih. To je en del, drugi pa jasno, da je kapitalizem zabredel tako globoko, da je vojna dober biznis. Resno ne vem kako se bo lahko to ustavilo.

Kar se pa Putina tiče; the enemy of my enemy is my friend (to sem se naučil od ZDA). 100% sem prepričan, da ne bi bilo nobenih Putinovih avantur, če ne bi US začela širiti NATA po propadu SU. In potem se kritizira Putina, da se zanj nikoli ni končala hlada vojna. NE, za US se nikoli ni končala.
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

Pac-Man ::

7tom1ja je izjavil:

Je bila le kopenska sila.... zakaj le ? To je njihova vojaška doktrina, ne rabijo drugega zaradi velikosti ozemlja. Govoril sem o vojaški moči, ki je bila po ww2 dolgo časa primerljiva z US


Ampak kako so tree loving hippies v verjetno najbolj militarističnem obdobju evropske in azijske zgodovine prišli do vsega tega ozemlja?
Po vojaški moči je bila primerljiva Zveza Sovjetskih Socialističnih Republik, sicer za precej veliko ceno do proletariata. Kot bi mešal SFRJ in Srbijo.

7tom1ja je izjavil:

Kar se pa Putina tiče; the enemy of my enemy is my friend (to sem se naučil od ZDA).


Ne, ne in that's my point.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend @ Wikipedia

The earliest known expression of this concept is found in a Sanskrit treatise on statecraft, the Arthashastra, which dates to around the 4th century BC, while the first recorded use of the current English version came in 1884.

...

There is a quote from Winston Churchill made to his personal secretary John Colville on the eve of Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa). He was quoted as saying, "if Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

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Pac-Man je izjavil:

7tom1ja je izjavil:



Spustil si pomemben del. Refleksno.

Če gremo do Godwina - SZ, Poljska in konec koncev tudi Francija in VB (imperija) so bile pred 2. sv. vojno precej velik šit. Ampak to ni dober vzrok za whitewashing nacistične Nemčije, ker multipolarni svet.

Untold history sem ob izidu pogledal in se mi je zdela odlična. Ampak spet - med kritiziranjem politike ZDA in sodelovanju pri hagiografijah avtokratov (Putin Interviews) in zelo verjetno oligarhov (tole sveže sranje) je malenkost razlike.

Kako pogosto ali ne so bile žrtve si lahko pogledaš tu
List of wars involving Russia @ Wikipedia


Poznam točno to zgodovino, sedaj pa primerjaj to s 300 letno zgodovino US in hitro prideš do enega zaključka. US so pač warmongering nation, že od mladih nog jim vbijajo v glavo, da so večvredni od ostalih in potem se to odraža v njihovi zunanji politiki. Militarizem je prisoten na vseh možnih športnih, kulturnih,...dogodkih. To je en del, drugi pa jasno, da je kapitalizem zabredel tako globoko, da je vojna dober biznis. Resno ne vem kako se bo lahko to ustavilo.

Kar se pa Putina tiče; the enemy of my enemy is my friend (to sem se naučil od ZDA). 100% sem prepričan, da ne bi bilo nobenih Putinovih avantur, če ne bi US začela širiti NATA po propadu SU. In potem se kritizira Putina, da se zanj nikoli ni končala hlada vojna. NE, za US se nikoli ni končala.


Seveda so warmongering nation. Zato pa so že več kot pol stoletja neizpodbitni vladarji sveta.
Sedaj pa bo vlogo prevzel drugi, malo bolj potuhli vladar.
Upam, da znaš mandarinščino. Če pa ne, nič hudega. Te jo bodo že naučili v reedukacijskem taborišču.
There will be chutes!

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Spustil si pomemben del. Refleksno.

Če gremo do Godwina - SZ, Poljska in konec koncev tudi Francija in VB (imperija) so bile pred 2. sv. vojno precej velik šit. Ampak to ni dober vzrok za whitewashing nacistične Nemčije, ker multipolarni svet.

Untold history sem ob izidu pogledal in se mi je zdela odlična. Ampak spet - med kritiziranjem politike ZDA in sodelovanju pri hagiografijah avtokratov (Putin Interviews) in zelo verjetno oligarhov (tole sveže sranje) je malenkost razlike.

Kako pogosto ali ne so bile žrtve si lahko pogledaš tu
List of wars involving Russia @ Wikipedia


Poznam točno to zgodovino, sedaj pa primerjaj to s 300 letno zgodovino US in hitro prideš do enega zaključka. US so pač warmongering nation, že od mladih nog jim vbijajo v glavo, da so večvredni od ostalih in potem se to odraža v njihovi zunanji politiki. Militarizem je prisoten na vseh možnih športnih, kulturnih,...dogodkih. To je en del, drugi pa jasno, da je kapitalizem zabredel tako globoko, da je vojna dober biznis. Resno ne vem kako se bo lahko to ustavilo.

Kar se pa Putina tiče; the enemy of my enemy is my friend (to sem se naučil od ZDA). 100% sem prepričan, da ne bi bilo nobenih Putinovih avantur, če ne bi US začela širiti NATA po propadu SU. In potem se kritizira Putina, da se zanj nikoli ni končala hlada vojna. NE, za US se nikoli ni končala.


Seveda so warmongering nation. Zato pa so že več kot pol stoletja neizpodbitni vladarji sveta.
Sedaj pa bo vlogo prevzel drugi, malo bolj potuhli vladar.
Upam, da znaš mandarinščino. Če pa ne, nič hudega. Te jo bodo že naučili v reedukacijskem taborišču.


aha to je ta logika, bojmo se drugih imperialistov, US&A so naši dobri vladarji; me zanima če bi tako menil, če bi živel kaj bližje naftnih polj

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Je bila le kopenska sila.... zakaj le ? To je njihova vojaška doktrina, ne rabijo drugega zaradi velikosti ozemlja. Govoril sem o vojaški moči, ki je bila po ww2 dolgo časa primerljiva z US


Ampak kako so tree loving hippies v verjetno najbolj militarističnem obdobju evropske in azijske zgodovine prišli do vsega tega ozemlja?
Po vojaški moči je bila primerljiva Zveza Sovjetskih Socialističnih Republik, sicer za precej veliko ceno do proletariata. Kot bi mešal SFRJ in Srbijo.

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Kar se pa Putina tiče; the enemy of my enemy is my friend (to sem se naučil od ZDA).


Ne, ne in that's my point.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend @ Wikipedia

The earliest known expression of this concept is found in a Sanskrit treatise on statecraft, the Arthashastra, which dates to around the 4th century BC, while the first recorded use of the current English version came in 1884.

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There is a quote from Winston Churchill made to his personal secretary John Colville on the eve of Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa). He was quoted as saying, "if Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."


najbolj militaristično obdobje je bilo zadnjih 120 let; kako so prišli do zemlje ? Ali moraš res 1000 let v preteklost, da bi našel večjga zločinca kot sedanje ZDA
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
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Mimogrede, nisem govoril o tem kdo je prvi to izrekel ( čeprav pošteno povedano nisem vedel, da je bil to WC) ampak od koga sem sam to pobral.
In če bi dobro prebral prejšnje poste bi vedel, da govorim o SU
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
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Ali moraš res 1000 let v preteklost, da bi našel večjga zločinca kot sedanje ZDA


V bistvu ni treba niti 500 let.

Russian conquest of Siberia @ Wikipedia

(...)In the 1690s, smallpox epidemics reduced Yukagir numbers by an estimated 44 percent. The disease moved rapidly from group to group across Siberia.

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At the hands of people such as Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 some peoples, including the Daur, were slaughtered by the Russians. 8,000 out of a previous population of 20,000 in Kamchatka remained after being subjected to half a century by Cossacks.

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The second time he came, the Daurs decided to do battle against the Russians instead but were slaughtered by Russian guns.[9] In the 17th century, indigenous peoples of the Amur region were attacked by Russians who came to be known as "red-beards".[10]

In the 1640s the Yakuts were subjected to murderous expeditions during the Russian advance into the land near the Lena river, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryak, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to this by the Russians according to Western historian Stephen Shenfield.[11] When the Russians did not obtain the demanded amount of yasak from the natives, the governor of Yakutsk, Piotr Golovin, who was a Cossack, used meat hooks to hang the native men. In the Lena basin, 70% of the Yakut population declined within 40 years, rape and enslavement were used against native women and children in order to force the natives to pay the Yasak.[8][better source needed]

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In Kamchatka the Russians savagely crushed the Itelmens uprisings against their rule in 1706, 1731, and 1741, the first time the Itelmen were armed with stone weapons and were badly unprepared and equipped but they used gunpowder weapons the second time. The Russians faced tougher resistance when from 1745–56 they tried to exterminate the gun and bow equipped Koraks until their victory.

The Russian Cossacks also faced fierce resistance and were forced to give up when trying unsuccessfully to wipe out the Chukchi through genocide in 1729, 1730–1, and 1744–7.[12] After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730–31, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely.[13]

A genocide of the Chukchis and Koraks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war. The command was that the natives be "totally extirpated" with Pavlutskiy leading again in this war from 1744–47 in which he led to the Cossacks "with the help of Almighty God and to the good fortune of Her Imperial Highness", to slaughter the Chukchi men and enslave their women and children as booty. However the Chukchi ended this campaign and forced them to give up by killing Pavlitskiy and decapitating him.[14]

The Russians were also launching wars and slaughters against the Koraks in 1744 and 1753–4. After the Russians tried to force the natives to convert to Christianity, the different native peoples like the Koraks, Chukchis, Itelmens, and Yukagirs all united to drive the Russians out of their land in the 1740s, culminating in the assault on Nizhnekamchatsk fort in 1746.[15]

Kamchatka today is European in demographics and culture with only 2.5% of it being native, around 10,000 from a previous number of 150,000, due to the mass slaughters by the Cossacks after its annexation in 1697 of the Itelmen and Koryaks throughout the first decades of Russian rule. The killings by the Russian Cossacks devastated the native peoples of Kamchatka.[16]

In addition to committing genocide the Cossacks also devastated the wildlife by slaughtering massive numbers of animals for fur.[17] 90% of the Kamchadals and half of the Vogules were killed from the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries and the rapid genocide of the indigenous population led to entire ethnic groups being entirely wiped out, with around 12 exterminated groups which could be named by Nikolai Iadrintsev as of 1882. Much of the slaughter was brought on by the fur trade.[18]

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The Russian colonization of Siberia and conquest of its indigenous peoples has been compared to European colonization in the United States and its natives, with similar negative impacts on the natives and the appropriation of their land.[21] The Slavic Russians outnumber all of the native peoples in Siberia and its cities except in the Republic of Tuva, with the Slavic Russians making up the majority in the Buriat Republic, and Altai Republics, outnumbering the Buriat, and Altai natives. The Buriat make up only 29,51% of their own Republic, and the Altai only one-third; the Chukchi, Evenk, Khanti, Mansi, and Nenets are outnumbered by non-natives by 90% of the population. The natives were targeted by the tsars and Soviet policies to change their way of life, and ethnic Russians were given the natives' reindeer herds and wild game which were confiscated by the tsars and Soviets. The reindeer herds have been mismanaged to the point of extinction.[22]
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Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Več ali manj to, kar tumpam že 5 let.

Po majdanu je "puku šrauf" in je bilo potrebno izbrati stran. Večina (zahodno)evropske skrajne desnice se je odločila za Rusijo. Tudi zato, ker ima globlji tošl.

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Še več propagande, da je samo desnica za Rusijo; šokantno zate ampak večina prebivalcev Slovenije bi v primeru vojne želela, da je brani Rusija ne ZDA; in nismo edina članica NATO, ki je imela takšne rezultate; vir Gallup poll

"the Russian colonization of Siberia and conquest of its indigenous peoples has been compared to European colonization in the United States and its natives, with similar negative impacts on the natives and the appropriation of their land.[21]"

vir ugibam prihaja iz ZDA
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
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