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Ukrajina Part II

Ukrajina Part II

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Pac-Man ::

@11:20

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Aja, Vice je merilo, da sta dve državi uradno v vojni. Nisem vedel. Jaz naivnež pa sem mislil, da se te zadeve napovejo po uradni poti in da se potem premakne nekaj armad vojaštva in vojaške tehnike.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Ruska vojska v Ukrajini pomeni, da sta državi v vojni.

President elect?

https://www.unian.info/politics/1046510...

At the same time, Zelensky said the hostilities in Donbas should be called the war between Ukraine and Russia rather than the Anti-Terrorist or Joint Forces Operation. "We have a war from the very first day, a real war between Russia and Ukraine," he said.

Problem je, da to omeji zunanje vire financiranja. Mednarodne organizacije imajo omejitve pri vlaganju v države v vojnem stanju.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ruska vojska v Ukrajini pomeni, da sta državi v vojni.

President elect?

https://www.unian.info/politics/1046510...

At the same time, Zelensky said the hostilities in Donbas should be called the war between Ukraine and Russia rather than the Anti-Terrorist or Joint Forces Operation. "We have a war from the very first day, a real war between Russia and Ukraine," he said.

Problem je, da to omeji zunanje vire financiranja. Mednarodne organizacije imajo omejitve pri vlaganju v države v vojnem stanju.

should be called the war between Ukraine and Russia.
Ukrajinci naj kar uradno rečejo, pa da vidimo kako se bo upal zahod iti v blokado Rusije in zraven financriati še nekaj 100+ mijard za zbdrževanja nacijev in druge koruptivne sestave ukrajinske vlade, ker druge alternative itak nimajo.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Znam tudi jaz.

"We have a war from the very first day, a real war between Russia and Ukraine"

Sam si povedal bistvo. Ukrajina in Rusija sta v vojni, ampak zaradi slednje vsi delajo v rokavičkah.

Neizvajanje volitev za izseljence je še najmanjši problem.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

joze67 ::

Japonska in Rusija sta de iure v vojnem stanju.
Ruske predsedniške volitve 2018 na Japonsekm
Da se, če se hoče.

Pac-Man ::

Kdaj je padla zadnja žrtev tega konflikta?

Se je Japonska vpletala v ruske predsedniške volitve?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

joze67 ::

1945, verjetno. Ne. Point being?

Pac-Man ::

V Ukrajini je bilo to včeraj.

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/112063...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

V Ukrajini je bilo to včeraj.

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/112063...

a defender of Europe 🤣
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

nsa_ag3nt ::

Porošenko dobil 23%, če bi bil njegov protikandidat Šarec bi tudi on zmagal.

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Kdaj je padla zadnja žrtev tega konflikta?

Se je Japonska vpletala v ruske predsedniške volitve?

Približno tako kot Rusija z ZDA predsedniške volitve, vsaj tako pravi zadnje Mulerjevo poročilo.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

Pac-Man ::

Torej zelo.

Mueller Report @ Wikipedia

Citiram:

The Mueller report found that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" and "violated U.S. criminal law".[3][4][78] The report relayed two methods by which Russia attempted to influence the election.[52][54]

The first method of Russian interference saw a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency, waging "a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton".[6] The Internet Research Agency also sought to "provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States".[79]

The second method of Russian interference saw the Russian intelligence service, the GRU, hacking into email accounts owned by volunteers and employees of the Clinton presidential campaign, including that of campaign chairman John Podesta, and also hacking into "the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC)". As a result, the GRU obtained hundreds of thousands of hacked documents, and the GRU proceeded by arranging releases of damaging hacked material via the WikiLeaks organization and also GRU's personas "DCLeaks" and "Guccifer 2.0".


Čudno, da se Rusi nič ne jezijo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Torej zelo.

Mueller Report @ Wikipedia

Citiram:

The Mueller report found that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" and "violated U.S. criminal law".[3][4][78] The report relayed two methods by which Russia attempted to influence the election.[52][54]

The first method of Russian interference saw a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency, waging "a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton".[6] The Internet Research Agency also sought to "provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States".[79]

The second method of Russian interference saw the Russian intelligence service, the GRU, hacking into email accounts owned by volunteers and employees of the Clinton presidential campaign, including that of campaign chairman John Podesta, and also hacking into "the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC)". As a result, the GRU obtained hundreds of thousands of hacked documents, and the GRU proceeded by arranging releases of damaging hacked material via the WikiLeaks organization and also GRU's personas "DCLeaks" and "Guccifer 2.0".


Čudno, da se Rusi nič ne jezijo.

attempted to influence
Se en ki ima težave z nekim osnovnim razumevanje angleškega jezika
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

vpletati = to interfere
vplivati = to influence

Zdaj še enkrat preberi zadnjih par objav.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

vpletati = to interfere
vplivati = to influence

Zdaj še enkrat preberi zadnjih par objav.

Torej so z "attempted" vplivali na lol8-)
Verjamem da ko desničarji izvolijo tako budalo, in da inteligentni tako popušijo da moramo začetni nove slovarje uporabljati.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Dajmo en tradicionalen tweetstorm. S streama, različni avtorji

https://twitter.com/noclador

"Neo-Nazi Junta Now Led by Jewish President" would be the perfect Sputnik headline today.

I'm immensely enjoying how the Canadian-Ukrainian twitter division is "devastated and heartbroken" that #Ukrainians voted for less #corruption and against eternal war on #Russian and #Poland.

Far-right the National Corps spox celebrates Poroshenko’s loss, reminds that Poroshenko threatened to do away with the NC post election. Poroshenko reportedly called the National Corps “Nazis” recently.
Well it’s not like they grew into what they’re on HIS WATCH or anything

#Putin's #Donbas war has killed about 10,000 #Ukrainians and displaced about 2 millions.
#Poroshenko's nurturing of #corruption has displaced 5 million #Ukrainians and killed a million or two (because of horrible healthcare and low life expectancy).
Finally he is gone.

BREAKING: Zelenskiy says Yuriy Lutsenko, who has been embroiled in controversy, will no longer be Prosecutor-General of #Ukraine #UkraineElections2019

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! #Lutsenko is one of the most corrupt and mendacious people in the known universe. Get rid of him.

I live in Lutsk, so does my family. People here are really pissed about Poroshenko allowing corruption and graft, and many detest that he tries to cover it up with nationalist pandering.
Besides, people (esp. youth) have hoped for a young, liberal prez for ages, and here he is.

Sviatoslav Yurash is probably the smartest advisor of #Zelenskiy, and absolutely incorruptible and very brave.
Journalists and diplomats in #Kyiv would be wise to get in touch with him and hear him out.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/noclador/status/112...

When 17 y.o. Yurash was one of the essential people of #Euromaidan.
#EuromaidanPR and @EuromaidanPress are his creations; and since he is a driving force behind @Babylon13UA.
And at 18 y.o. he reported from #Donbas and #MH17.
People like him are why #Ukraine has a future.
Correction - @EuromaidanPress was founded later by @AlyaShandra and other EuromaidanPR members.


According to the Russian narrative, Ukraine has been ruled since 2014 by the leaders of a Nazi-fascist coup d'etat.
Now Ukraine has fairly and freely elected a new president, who is even of Jewish origin. How will Sputnik and RT explain this?

What #Poroshenko never understood about life in #Ukraine: if you are asked for a bribe in Russian language... what is more humiliating to you?
That it was demanded in Russian or that it was demanded in the first place? What would you rather have changed?


What I want #Ukraine's president #Zelenskiy to undertake first:

1) break the #SBU up into an external, an internal, & a military intelligence agency. (Like in the US: CIA/FBI/DIA, Italy: AISE/AISI/CII, UK: MI6/MI5/DI, Germany: BND/LKA/MAD, France: DGSE/DGSI/DRM)
2) reform #Ukraine's ministry of defence and general staff along the US model by separating the bureaucratic part from the war fighting side. Also reform combat units along NATO lines and don't stick to Soviet organizational models that only create a lot of Hetmans.
3) break up #Ukroboronprom. It's a giant black hole of stealing and incompetence. It needs to be broken apart into land, aerospace, and naval companies, and audited top to bottom to root out #corruption. Install an military procurement commission made up of foreign experts.
4) Develop and implement a plan to speak to the #Russians - not the #Kremlin, but the #Russian people. Encourage them to raise up and overthrow #Putin. Needle the Russian regime daily. Invite @navalny to the inauguration, but deny that invite to the Russian ambassador.
5) Treat #corruption as murder. When someone steals from the state, he indirectly causes death: by depriving soldiers of weapons, by wrecking healthcare, by poisoning the environment, etc. Corruption needs to be called murder and be prosecuted as ruthlessly.

For those, who say there is not need to break up #Urkaine's corrupt, inefficient #SBU, who dabbles in everything from foreign intelligence, to military intelligence, to racketeering, extortion, and blackmail:
#SBU: 31,000 employees
#FBI: 35,000 employees

This is an article summarizing the ideas of #Zelenskiy's military advisor... and it's the best plan yet how to reform #Ukraine's horrid general staff, ministry of defense, and military industry. Let's hope they get to implement it:
https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2019/04/ze-...

#France has 210,700 professional troops & 71,500 reservists
#Italy has 302,000 professional troops & 42,000 reservists
#Ukraine, if troops are paid well, supplied well, and led well, can easily find 255,000 professional troops.




z

https://twitter.com/Matthew_Kupfer/stat...

A few thoughts on Zelenskiy's victory in #UkraineElections2019:
1) Personal views on Zelenskiy aside, this is a win for Ukrainian democracy, and therefore for #Ukraine. Poroshenko admits as much.
2) It shows both the people & the state can hold free, fair, competitive elections.
3) It shows the country is much less divided than many believe: over 70% voted for Zelenskiy. Even in 1st round, the old "East vs. West" divide was limited to a few regions.
4) It emphasizes the degree to which Ukrainian voters are not arch-nationalists, but pragmatists.
5) It shows that electoral strategies based upon the old "West vs. East" divide aren't particularly effective. Poroshenko ran on patriotic "Army! Language! Faith!" aimed at the more stereotypically nationalist west. He only won in one western region: Lviv Oblast.
6) It shows the real meat and potatoes of Ukrainians' grievances transcend region: corruption, bad economy, slow reforms, ongoing war.
7) It will demonstrate that governance is about more than the president. Zelenskiy is not experienced. He needs a strong team to be effective.
8) It will likely demonstrate the importance of parliament's role. We will see how Zelenskiy's Servant of the People party fares in Rada elections. That will have a major effect on what he can accomplish.
9) Standard criticism of Zelenskiy is that he is not "pro-Ukraine" enough. I strongly doubt he will prove to be another Yanukovych. While he may tone down some cultural issues, I expect him to be de facto similar to Poroshenko in many ways & to handle these issues delicately. This should be seen as a success: the norms of post-Maidan #Ukraine will be strong enough to transcend the administration of the president whom Maidan brought to power.
10) Despite claiming to be the adults in the room, the tendency of Poroshenko, some officials, and his supporters to accuse Zelenskiy's circle of ties the Russian FSB, to suggest his election is the "end of Ukraine," to invoke terms like "Little Russian" & insult Z supporters is not responsible behavior. It looked particularly bad during this election because over 70 percent of Ukrainians are supporting Zelenskiy. Patriots must rid themselves of the idea that less 'traditionally nationalistic' citizens are lesser Ukrainians.
11) Why? Because #Ukraine is bigger than Poroshenko and it is bigger than Zelenskiy. It is bigger than east and west, Ukrainian- and Russian-speaking. This election — whatever you think of Zelenskiy — is yet another step on Ukraine's journey to European democracy.
12) And this vote never was a choice between Europe and #Russia. #Ukraine has already chosen Europe. There will be different views on getting there, handling the war in Donbas, dealing with Moscow, etc. This is all part of healthy democracy.




ter z

https://twitter.com/mykolska/status/112...

For all my foreign friends asking about #Ukraine Presidential election.
1) Ukraine is democracy
2) a lot of achivements for 5y driven by @poroshenko (worth thanking) although failures in anticorruption, judicial & some other reforms
3) Ukraine is not divided
4) President-elect @zeteam_official highest level of support in Ukrainian history;
5) as Ukraine is Parliamentary-Presidential Repiblic forthcoming parliamentary elections in Oct. are of paramout importance;
6) Mr. Zelenskyi is successful entertaiment industry businessmen
7) my former colleagues ex-Finance Minister Danylyuk & ex-Economy Minister @aivaras_aivaras are on @zeteam_official team;
8) links of Zelenskyi w oligarch Kolomoyskyi to be watched out;
9) UA needs MUCH support of international community;
10) was with Russia is till there
11) there is no anti-semitism in the country with Zelenskyi & PM @VGroysman being jewish
12) Ukrainians will never let anybody to deviate or stop Ukraine's ways to EU & NATO ;
13) We will work hard 2 make our country successfull & prosperous;
14) i'm coming back to Ukraine in Jun
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Cervantes ::

TL/(too long)/DR.8-)

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/112...

To a Ukrainian it doesn't matter if he is extorted in Russian or Ukrainian... #Poroshenko never understood this.
Language doesn't matter if state #corruption humiliates you every day.


Bo šlo?


Putin je podpisal odlok s katerim se prebivalcem DNR/LNR lahko delijo ruski potni listi.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/...

Vladimir Putin has swiftly moved to test Ukraine’s new president-elect, signing a law that could allow millions of Ukrainians living in breakaway regions of south-east Ukraine to receive Russian passports.

...

The text of the law, which appeared on the Kremlin’s website on Wednesday, granted Ukrainians living in parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions “the right to request citizenship of the Russian Federation” as a humanitarian measure. Requests for citizenship should be considered within three months, the bill said.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Cela prva sezona serije, kjer novi ukrajinski predsednik igra ukrajinskega predsednika je na YT, z angleškimi podnapisi, na uradnem kanalu Kvartala 95.

1. in 2. epizoda



in playlista

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P...

Solidna produkcija, ampak meni šibek humor, na kar zgleda trzajo v tistih koncih.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

fikus_ ::

Nov UKR predsednik ima že kar nekaj izkušenj. :D Sedaj se jim bosta začela cediti med in mleko.

Pac-Man ::

Na MMC je bila uporabnica J@st tako prijazna, da je podala povezavo na diplomsko nalogo z naslovom Aplikacija asimetričnega vojskovanja na primeru konflikta v Ukrajini.

41 strani:
http://dk.fdv.uni-lj.si/diplomska_dela_...

in dva citata:

str. 18

Najhujši boji v Vzhodni Ukrajini so se začeli 15. aprila 2014, ko so se med seboj spopadle Oborožene sile Ukrajine in uporniške skupine. Potrebno je omeniti, da do njihovega priznanja ni prišlo, pač pa jih je ukrajinska vlada označila za teroriste. Svet Evrope, Evropska unija, Ukrajina in ZDA so obtožile RF, da je vključena v konflikt, kar je najprej zanikala, kasneje pa je njen predsednik, Vladimir Putin, priznal, da se v Ukrajini vojskuje več prostovoljcev ruske vojske.

str. 32

Dejstvo je torej, da so bili pripadniki ruske vojske na ozemlju Ukrajine aktivni in da so upornikom pomagali na različne načine. V prvi vrsti so jim pripeljali novejše tanke in novejše orožje ter jih naučili uporabe, v vseh večjih bitkah pa so delovale celotne tankovske enote, ki so jih pripeljali iz celotne RF, da bi čim hitreje porazili ukrajinsko stran.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Jp, CIA je uradno oboroževala džihadiste v Siriji, ZDA pa so celo napadle Sirijo in imajo na njenih tleh nelegalno svoje vojake, ki usposabljajo in opremljajo upornike. Kolikor vem, Sirija in ZDA še vedno nista v vojni.

Je to sedaj dovolj razumljivo?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

jype ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Je to sedaj dovolj razumljivo?
Sirija se IMO s tem ne strinja pretirano, pa marsikdo drug, na kogar Američani streljajo, čeprav niso v vojni z njim, tudi ne.

Fritz ::

Jah, skušam dopovedati Pacotu, da dve državi nista uradno v vojni, dokler ni uradno razglašenega vojnega stanja med državama in da posledično Ukrajina ni v vojni z Rusko Federacijo temveč je v konfliktu z lastnimi uporniki. Da ti dobivajo široko podporo RF je jasno.

Če bi dejansko šlo za vojno med Rusijo in Ukrajino, potem bi danes ruski tanki stali na meji s Poljsko.

BTW, novi predsednik lahko marsikaj spremeni, če bo le hotel. Krim bo sicer težko dobil nazaj a lahko doseže mir in reintegracijo upornih republik v pravni red Ukrajine.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

jype ::

IMO je itak bedasto, da se veliko rusko govorečo manjšino smatra za tujce, ki škodijo ozemeljski celovitosti Ukrajine, ampak če imaš na oblasti idiote, obsedene z nacionalizmom in izoliranjem kultur, potem drugega kot konstantnega vojnega stanja itak ne moreš imeti - to jim pa tako ali tako ustreza, ker so izredne razmere najbolj plodne za politični pol, ki se edini resno ukvarja z idiotizmi kakršen je "zaščita pred tujci".

fikus_ ::

Ukrajinci (politika) so že zamudili vlak, da bi po mirni poti rešili zadeve z ruskim/rusko govorečim prebivalstvom! Pred 2013 bi morali to reševat v obliki nekakšnih avtonomnih republik, kjer bi tamkajšnje prebivalstvo bilo aktivno v politiki. Bi verjetno še sedaj imeli Krim in mir na vzhodu. Tako so pa nasedli zahodu z USA na čelu in "demokratizaciji" pred ruskim pragom.

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Jah, skušam dopovedati Pacotu, da dve državi nista uradno v vojni, dokler ni uradno razglašenega vojnega stanja med državama in da posledično Ukrajina ni v vojni z Rusko Federacijo temveč je v konfliktu z lastnimi uporniki. Da ti dobivajo široko podporo RF je jasno.


Laos ni bil nikoli v vojni z ZDA. Šlo je za državljansko vojno s "široko podporo ZDA". J**** ti novorek.

Laos @ Wikipedia

Between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. dropped two million tons of bombs on Laos, nearly equal to the 2.1 million tons of bombs the U.S. dropped on Europe and Asia during all of World War II, making Laos the most heavily bombed country in history relative to the size of its population; The New York Times noted this was "nearly a ton for every person in Laos".[35] Some 80 million bombs failed to explode and remain scattered throughout the country, rendering vast swathes of land impossible to cultivate and killing or maiming 50 Laotians every year.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Jah, skušam dopovedati Pacotu, da dve državi nista uradno v vojni, dokler ni uradno razglašenega vojnega stanja med državama in da posledično Ukrajina ni v vojni z Rusko Federacijo temveč je v konfliktu z lastnimi uporniki. Da ti dobivajo široko podporo RF je jasno.


Laos ni bil nikoli v vojni z ZDA. Šlo je za državljansko vojno s "široko podporo ZDA". J**** ti novorek.

Jah, tako pač je v mednarodnih odnosih. Zato je pomembno, da se zavedamo katera država je na veliko teptala mednarodno pravo, ko ji je to ustrezalo, še posebej, ko druge obtožuje takšnega ravnanja. Ravnanje stalnih članic VS OZN bi moralo biti zgled za vse druge države, saj je VS OZN najvišji varuh mednarodnega prava na svetovni ravni. Težava je v tem, da za delovanje v nasprotju z mednarodnim pravom, stalnih članic VS OZN in njihovih podrepnikov ne moreš kaznovati, ker lahko vložijo veto na vsako odločitev. Enostranske sankcije pa so ravno tako kršitev mednarodnega prava.

Nedavno Trumpovo priznanje izraelske zasedbe sirskega ozemlja na Golanski planoti je medvedja usluga Ukrajincem in njihovim prizadevanjem za povrnitev Krima.

Ukrajinska situacija je v nekaterih pogledih podobna hrvaški situaciji iz zadnjih vojn na področju nekdanje SFRJ. Hrvaška je ravno tako naredila svoj delež napak (tudi zločinov) v odnosu do lastne manjšine (Srbov), ne glede na delovanje Srbije, ki je bilo v veliki meri kriminalno. Na koncu so ozemlja povrnili tako, da so srbski manjšini priznali vrsto pravic in dali določeno avtonomijo, kar bi lahko naredili že pred vojno namesto, da so popolnoma nepotrebno in nacionalistično zaničevali lastno manjšino in ji skozi spremembe zakonov, omejevali pravice ter tako dobesedno podpihovali konflikt.

Srbija, ki je pri situaciji s Kosovom trmarila in albanski manjšini (ki je na Kosovu večina) nikakor ni hotela priznati večjega obsega avtonomije, je Kosovo zato izgubila. Ne glede na to pa je priznanje neodvisnosti Kosova postavilo nevaren precedent.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Še vedno vztrajaš?

Po tej logiki lahko trdimo, da je šlo v Vietnamu za državljansko vojno med severom in jugom, s "široko podporo zunanjih sil".

Reci bobu bob.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še vedno vztrajaš?

Po tej logiki lahko trdimo, da je šlo v Vietnamu za državljansko vojno med severom in jugom, s "široko podporo zunanjih sil".

Reci bobu bob.

jemen je tvoj primer ne vietnam.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Da, tudi Jemen je podoben primer.

Ampak vseeno nihče ne trdi, da SA vojske in koalicije ni tam. Zakaj?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da, tudi Jemen je podoben primer.

Ampak vseeno nihče ne trdi, da SA vojske in koalicije ni tam. Zakaj?

Zakaj pa Amerika ne napove vojno. Sedaj tu skrivati ne morejo da neposlusne križajo in jih javno križane vozijo po mestu, pa še vedno ustrajate da je v Jemnu Iran hudič in ne SA.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še vedno vztrajaš?

Po tej logiki lahko trdimo, da je šlo v Vietnamu za državljansko vojno med severom in jugom, s "široko podporo zunanjih sil".

Reci bobu bob.

Ne, ne moremo, ker ZDA v Vietnamu niso samo vojaško in drugače podpirale režim v Saigonu temveč so skoraj ves čas same bombardirale Severni Vietnam. ZDA sicer niso podale uradne vojne napovedi proti S. Vietnamu, so pa uradno sodelovale kot ena od strani pri podpisu mirovnega sporazuma med sprtimi stranmi.

Lej, saj jaz ne trdim, da Rusija ni vpletena v dogajanje v DNR in LNR, ker je močno vpletena temveč to, da Ukrajina in Rusija nista uradno v vojni.

Če bi kibernetski vojni, hibridni vojni in specialnim oblikam vojne res dali legalen status vojne, potem bi bilo 3/4 držav v vojni z drugimi na tak ali drug način.

Vrnimo se na podobno situacijo. Na hrvaškem je do pogajanj in mirne reintegracije Vzhodne Slavonije prišlo po tem, ko je SR Jugoslavija zagrozila, da bo dejansko stopila v vojno proti Hrvaški, če bo ta poskusila Vz. Slavonijo zasesti z orožjem. Zanimivo, glede na to, da je iz ozemlja SR Jugoslavije neposredno peljana celotna vojna na vzhodnem delu vendar uradno SR Jugoslavija nikoli ni bila v vojni s Hrvaško.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

BFVV ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da, tudi Jemen je podoben primer.

Ampak vseeno nihče ne trdi, da SA vojske in koalicije ni tam. Zakaj?

Zakaj pa Amerika ne napove vojno. Sedaj tu skrivati ne morejo da neposlusne križajo in jih javno križane vozijo po mestu, pa še vedno ustrajate da je v Jemnu Iran hudič in ne SA.


LoL. Vse države ki se poklonijo izraelu so 100% varne pred njihovo vojaško silo (USA).

Pac-Man ::

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Ruska vojska je sodelovala v vsaki zmagoviti bitki in ofenzivi, sestrelili so MH17 in verjetno par vojaških letal, čez mejo obstreljevali Ukrajino - razen odkritosti nobene razlike. Brez njihovega aktivnega vpletanja bi bili DNR/LNR zgodovina že v l. 2014.

Mr.B je izjavil:



1) Rusiji niso napovedali vojne.
2) Doni in Kušner sta bestija z MBS.

Bi se pa prilegle kake sankcije.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:


Ruska vojska je sodelovala v vsaki zmagoviti bitki in ofenzivi, sestrelili so MH17 in verjetno par vojaških letal, čez mejo obstreljevali Ukrajino - razen odkritosti nobene razlike. Brez njihovega aktivnega vpletanja bi bili DNR/LNR zgodovina že v l. 2014.


Uradno ne. Ker če bi sodelovala uradno, z nekaj divizijami, bi zasedli celo Ukrajino ali pa vsaj proruski vzhod a tega niso naredili.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Cervantes ::

MH17 so IMHO sestrelili ukrajinski"uporniki", ki so bili veseli nove igračke. Ruska profesionalna posadka take idiotske napake najbrž ne bi naredila.

Pac-Man ::

Bile so cele enote.



Posadka je prišla iz Rusije.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 @ Wikipedia

On 30 March 2015, the JIT released a Russian-language video calling for witnesses in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions who might have seen a Buk missile system.[228] The video included some previously undisclosed recordings allegedly of tapped phone conversations between rebel fighters about the Buk. In one recording, of a conversation a few hours after the shoot down, a fighter says that a member of the Buk's accompanying crew had been left behind at a checkpoint. In another recording, dated the day after the shootdown, a rebel allegedly says the Buk system and its crew had been brought from Russia by "the Librarian." [...] In the week following the public appeal, the JIT received more than 300 responses resulting in dozens of "serious witnesses".[230][231]

...

On 24 May 2018, after extensive comparative research, the JIT concluded that the Buk that shot down the flight came from the Russian 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade in Kursk.[237] The head of the National Investigation Service of the Dutch police asked the eyewitnesses and insiders to share information about the identities of the Buk crew members, the instruction the crew members followed and persons responsible for the operational deployment of the involved Buk on 17 July 2014.[237] According to Dutch Public Prosecution Service, by 24 May 2018 "the authorities of the Russian Federation have ... not reported to the JIT that a Buk of the 53rd Brigade was deployed in Eastern Ukraine and that this Buk downed flight MH17."


na YT naloženo 18. julija 2014, dan po sestrelitvi. Buk je prišel iz Rusije s posadko.

@1:30-2:10

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Cervantes ::

Pol so bli pa navodkani rezervisti. Noben polpismen ne bi streljal na avion na 35.000ft. Verjeten scenarij: "profiji" so "upornikom" naredili šnelkurz, "tle ga mate!" in šli pit. Jaz poznam ta narod!

Pac-Man ::

Da, "upornikom" so dali par mio $ vredno orožje, ki lahko klati vse do 20 km višine. Še slabše.

Vsi identificirani, ki so sodelovali pri transportu niso neki lokalni razcapanci, temveč ruski državljani, vsaj dva od treh sta aktivna oficirja.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-...

Bellingcat has determined with very high certainty that at the time of the downing of MH17, Oleg Ivannikov was an officer of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defence (GRU), and served in that function until at least as late as September 2017.

Bellingcat has also established with very high certainty that Oleg Ivannikov, using the alias ‘Andrey Ivanovich Laptev’ in a covert operation for the Russian intelligence services, served as chairman of the Security Council (2004-2006), and as Minister of Defense and Emergencies (2006-2008) of the self-proclaimed Republic of South Ossetia.


https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-...

A joint investigation between The Insider and Bellingcat used open source research, investigative journalism, and forensic voice analysis to determine the identity of “Delfin,” a key figure sought by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), the Dutch-led criminal investigation into the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). The investigation has identified, to a high degree of certainty, Delfin as Colonel General Nikolai Fedorovich Tkachev, currently serving as the Chief Inspector of the Central Military District of the Russian Federation.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-...

Most of these conversations, recorded on the day of the downing, are between an officer identified as ‘Khmuryi’ (’Gloomy’ or ‘Grumpy’) and other separatist officers or soldiers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. The SBU identified ‘Khmuryi’ as ‘Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky’, a Russian GRU officer, but it took some time before this was covered in-depth by either Western or Russian-language media.

...

In another interview, published 25 December 2014 on ultranationalist Russian news site Zavtra, he describes himself as Major General Sergey Petrovsky, born in 1962 in the Donetsk region. It is unclear if he achieved the rank of major general in the Russian Federation or the self-proclaimed separatist republic. He also described having over 30 years of service in the Soviet and Russian armies.

...

According to an openly accessible traffic police database of Rostov-on-Don, Sergey Nikolaevich Dubinsky, born on 9 August 1962, lived in Stepnoy in an undefined street house number 1, apartment 117, and had three different cars registered on his name between 1998 and 2004. Stepnoy in the Rostov Oblast is a military village, where the 22nd Spetsnaz Brigade (literally translated as the 22th Separate Brigade for Special Purposes), or military unit 11659 is located, a military unit that is part of the ‘GRU’, the Main Intelligence Directorate.



Ti poznaš ta narod, ampak vseeno je trajalo kakih 5 let, da priznaš prisotnost uradne vojske v regiji.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Cervantes je izjavil:

Pol so bli pa navodkani rezervisti. Noben polpismen ne bi streljal na avion na 35.000ft. Verjeten scenarij: "profiji" so "upornikom" naredili šnelkurz, "tle ga mate!" in šli pit. Jaz poznam ta narod!

To smo že dodobra obdelali v drugi temi. Takle lanser ima samo zasilni radar in bi moral delovati v sklopu večjega sistema z opazovalnim radarjem ali znotraj sistema širše PZO, z radarji dolgega dosega in AWACS sistemi.

Verjetno so dobili informacijo, da bo kak ukrajinski IL-76 šel v njihovo smer, ujeli so nekaj na radar in užgali..zato se pa veselijo, ker mislijo, da so sestrelili ukrajinsko letalo. Ko so ugotovili kaj so naredili, je bilo že prepozno.

Ampak krivi so tudi v ukr. kontroli zračnega prostora in pri prevozniku, ker se tam ne bi smelo leteti, glede na to, da je bilo zrušenih že nekaj letal in se je vedelo za prisotnost sistemov z dometom +10.000m višine.

Rusi so dajali tehniko in ljudi iz posameznih enot, niso pa to bile celotne operativne enote. Če bi tam bila celotna 53. brigada PZO iz Kurska, potem takšne napake ne bi naredili.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

53. brigada je šla do meje, transport je dokumentiran. V tem primeru so čez poslali samo ta TELAR.

@5:00



Za cele enote @4:30

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Na povezavi je video, kjer Žirinovski reže rojstnodnevno torto v obliki Ukrajine.

https://twitter.com/Zhirinovskiy/status...

Razloži da gresta dve tretjini k Rusiji, ostane Galicija.

Kot je napisal v komentarju, sta mu jo podarila Skabejeva in Popov, novinarja ki vsak delovnik vodita pogovorno oddajo na nacionalni TV.

Olga Skabeyeva @ Wikipedia



Ha ha ha. Saj smo se samo hecali.

Ampak dvomim, da bi videli humor, če bi Anderson Cooper torto v obliki Rusije podaril kakemu ameriškemu politiku, znanemu po ekstremnih stališčih. 'cause shit is bound to happen.

Ali Kitajski ekvivalent.

Rusija, prva država kjer je trolling uradna politika.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:


Rusija, prva država kjer je trolling uradna politika.

Očitno nisi spremljal izjav predstavnikov ZDA glede Iraka, Libije, Sirije, Venezuele...da ne omenjam twitter trola, ki sedi v Beli hiši.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Žirinovski je na tem šihtu od začetka 90ih.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd5q...

Vladimir Zhirinovsky sounds like a serious person on paper. He's a colonel in the Russian army, Vice-Chairman of the State Duma (the lower house of Russia's legislature), a member of the Parliamentary Assembly Council of Europe, and, most notably, the founder and leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia. But a quick Google search reveals that he's earned his reputation as the insane clown prince of Russian politics. When he ran for prime minister in 1993, his campaign promises included free vodka for men and better underwear for women. He's throttled newscasters and state officials, told world leaders to suck Russian dick, and pontificated about enslaving the planet.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Ja, žal so tudi takšni osebki. Tudi pri nas ne manjka pacientov, ki glasujejo za Jelinčiča ali se navdušujejo nad Šiškotom. Težava nastane, ko daš takšnim ljudem moč, bodisi na volitvah ali pa jih sprejmeš v represivni aparat države.

Kar se Ukrajine tiče, resnično upam, da se obetajo boljši časi v odnosih z Rusijo in EU ter mirna rešitev upora v Donbasu, vključno z reintegracijo v ukrajinski pravni red. Novo potezo RF s podeljevanjem državljanstva ne vidim kot problematično, saj tamkajšnjim prebivalcem daje možnost lažje zaposlitve v RF in omogoča potovanje, dokler se razmere ne uredijo na politični ravni.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Tule sta dva problema

1) Novinarja na nacionalni TV takemu osebku podarita torto v obliki Ukrajine. Kaj se pa lahko zgodi? Njima nič. Hahaha hehehe.
2) Tip je označen kot primeren za sodelovanje v vodeni demokraciji. Nemcev in Navalni sta (bila) neprimerna. Putin rabi nekoga, ki ga lahko pokaže češ, "glejte kaj se bo zgodilo, če me ni." Znotraj in zunaj.

Sam jo vidim kot problematično.

Passportization @ Wikipedia
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:


Sam jo vidim kot problematično.

Passportization @ Wikipedia

Jp, ampak dokler so za Ukrajino uporniki teroristi in vemo, kaj se dela s teroristi, bo reintegracija težava. Volja mora biti na obeh straneh in Ukrajina bo tudi morala razumeti, da bo treba dati ljudem v Donbasu določeno stopnjo avtonomije ter zagotovila, da bodo njihove pravice varovane in da tam ne bodo člani Desnega sektorja hodili oblečeni v uradnih uniformah ukrajinske vojske in policije in da se takšnih osebkov ne bo toleriralo.

Glede na to, da Zelenski očitno nima težav z ruščino in da kot Jud verjetno nima ljubezni do nacijev, bi zadeve lahko peljal v smeri sprave.

Mu je pa Porošenko v zadnjih dneh in pred odločitvijo RF v zvezi s potnimi listi, pustil tole:
http://neweasterneurope.eu/2019/02/11/t...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Hehe, berem Žirinovskijevo stran na ruski wikipediji in tip fura WWE heel do pike. Med drugim podpira istospolne poroke, gtranslate:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D0...

He expressed confidence that the law on same-sex marriage will someday be adopted in Russia. Regarding homosexuality, he said: “In any country in the world this has been historically. This is part of the biological essence of man. This is not a culture, this is not a disease. This is the impossibility of the harmony of sexual relations between a man and a woman, and nature gives a way out. ” At the same time, the politician noted that legislative attempts to ban gay propaganda backfire [69] .

Vegetarjanec v Rusiji in to pričakuje tudi od članov njegove stranke :)

Since the summer of 2013, Zhirinovsky is a vegetarian. In November 2013, he announced that LDPR members would gradually switch to vegetarian food, since meat is very unhealthy [39].
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Zelenski je odgovoril na Putinovo ponudbo potnih listov Ukrajincem. V Ukrajinščini in Ruščini.
Naredil ni še nič, ampak tip oz. njegova ekipa mi je simpatičen/na. Ne boji(jo) se parirati trolčkom z vzhoda.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?stor...

gtranslate:

Regarding the statements of Russian President Vladimir Putin, I would like to note the following.

Firstly, I would not advise the Russian authorities to waste time trying to tempt citizens of Ukraine with Russian passports. Perhaps there will be someone who is still under the influence of propaganda. Maybe someone will do it for the sake of earnings or in an attempt to escape from criminal investigations. We can even provide Vladimir Putin with a list of citizens of Ukraine, who will soon become very uncomfortable in the country they cynically robbed of, abusing high posts. Let Russia decide again where it needs such “professionals” most of all - in Rostov or Magadan.

But the difference of Ukraine, in particular, lies in the fact that we, Ukrainians, have freedom of speech, free media and the Internet in our country. Therefore, we know perfectly well what a Russian passport actually provides.
This is the right to be arrested for peaceful protest.
It is the right not to have free and competitive elections.
This is the right to forget about the existence of natural rights and freedoms. Therefore, one should not expect that many Ukrainians will want to become a “new oil”, into which the Russian authorities are trying to turn their own people.

Ukrainians are free people in a free country. Independent, sovereign and indivisible. Ukrainian citizenship is freedom, dignity and honor. This is what we have protected, and we will protect. Ukraine will not give up its mission to serve as an example of democracy for the post-Soviet countries. And part of this mission will be the provision of protection, asylum and Ukrainian citizenship to all who are ready to fight for freedom. We will provide shelter and assistance to everyone - everyone who is ready to fight side by side with us for our and your freedom.


We should not speak with Ukraine and Ukrainians in the language of threats, military and economic pressure. This is not the best way to cease fire and unblock the Minsk process.

I emphasize once again that I am ready for negotiations. I hope that at the next meeting in the Norman format Russia will demonstrate readiness for de-escalation. A concrete confirmation of this readiness should be the mutual exchange of our citizens in the “all-to-all” format. With no exceptions. From our side, we are ready to discuss new conditions for the coexistence of Ukraine and Russia. With the understanding that true normalization will occur only after complete de-occupation. Both Donbass and Crimea. Ukraine does not give up! In every sense of the word.

But I hope that in Russia, nevertheless, they are more eager to talk than to shoot.

I really do not have God to fulfill my desires. But I also remember that it will be time for all officials to give an honest answer for their actions just before Him. No one will go straight to Paradise. First there will be a judgment.

For a complete and unambiguous understanding of my position, I provide this text also in Russian, so that everyone can hear us.
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