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Smrekar1 ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:


Ja to mi je jasno. Ampak tehnični in politični aspekt je precej neroden.
Če ta zadeva ponesreči pade na kako državo.
Ne vem, bolj zanesljivo se mi zdi imet nekje bolj statične reči, ki jih po potrebi zbudiš, kot pa nekaj, da zanesljivo leti toliko časa.


A se ti zdi?

Gre za orožje, ki bi imelo smisel, če ne bi imeli medkontinentalnih balističnih raket. Od približno leta 1963 dalje so bile take rakete popolna neumnost, ker lahko dobiš isti do boljši učinek na cenejši in varnejši način, s klasično raketo dolgega dosega. Dejstvo, da ruski vojaško-industrijski kompleks meče denar v oslarijo, ki je bila brezupno zastarela pred več kot 50 leti, kaže na popolno nemoč njihove vojaške tehnologije, da bi se kosala z zahodno. Nekaj še brcajo, ampak čas jih je že povozil.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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fikus_ ::

Razumem, če bi pa usa razvijale to, bi pa bilo OK!

Smrekar1 ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Razumem, če bi pa usa razvijale to, bi pa bilo OK!


Če bi bil to edini argument, potem ne, ne bi bilo OK.

Zgodovina sicer kaže, da so ZDA razvijale samo projekte, ki niso bili popolna neumnost. Za Ruse to ne velja.

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Mr.B ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Razumem, če bi pa usa razvijale to, bi pa bilo OK!


Če bi bil to edini argument, potem ne, ne bi bilo OK.

Zgodovina sicer kaže, da so ZDA razvijale samo projekte, ki niso bili popolna neumnost. Za Ruse to ne velja.

Sej argument je da so rusi kršili, pa so šli iz jederskega sporazuma. Pač vsak izgovor je dober.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

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Pac-Man ::

Včeraj je (civilna) raketa na iranski lansirni ploščadi naredila RUD. Nič pretirano hudega, se zgodi.

Praktično takoj so se pojavili posnetki iz civilnih satelitov. Predvidevam, da napovedana izstrelitev in 21. stoletje je tha shizz.
https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/sta...
Boljša fotka v tej novici:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran...

Danes pa Trump tvitne blazno kakovosten posnetek z brifinga, ki je skoraj gotovo do jaja tajen.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta...
Ostaja vprašanje, kako je bilo šklocnjeno, v OSI krogih poteka vroča debata. Zadnjih par ur na
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Boljša nit:
https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/11674...
Ki iztiri v zajebavanje in ne pride do Triebertovih objav, zato:
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/11675...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

KH-11 iz l. 1984, povsem možno.
KH-11 Kennen @ Wikipedia


Najverjetnejši kandidat po orbiti
USA-224 @ Wikipedia

https://twitter.com/Marco_Langbroek/sta...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Astronom potrjuje, da gre za USA-224. Nit:
https://twitter.com/cgbassa/status/1167...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Identificiranje satelita glede na orbito iz slike, ki jo je tweetal Trump. Now that is some note-worthy autist skillz.

Sicerp pa Trump je take lolek, ki nezavedno izdaja državne skrivnosti.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Poldi112 ::

> Od približno leta 1963 dalje so bile take rakete popolna neumnost, ker lahko dobiš isti do boljši učinek na cenejši in varnejši način, s klasično raketo dolgega dosega.

Pa bodo s klasično raketo dolgega dosega dosegli Hollywood? Kaj pa NY?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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7982884e ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Identificiranje satelita glede na orbito iz slike, ki jo je tweetal Trump. Now that is some note-worthy autist skillz.

Sicerp pa Trump je take lolek, ki nezavedno izdaja državne skrivnosti.

kaksne skrivnosti tocno?
orbito USA 224 vedo ze amaterski astronomi.
resolucijo tega batcha KH-11 smo tudi ze vedeli, da je nekje v ranku 10cm/px.
ruska in kitajska obvescevalna mislim da nista izvedeli nic novega.

xxxul ::

nekaj za vostok-a
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/09/03/rh...

sam ta micro ni glih micro, pa cena tud (verjetno) ni glih micro, o operativni uporabi pa tud ni nobene omembe (lahko da je smao demonstrator)

na drugi strani pa orožja proti dronom ne manjka:
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/09/04/ds...

7982884e ::

ah dej on ti to doma nardi v garazi bolje, za 1% cene. vsi ostali so pac nesposobni.

vostok_1 ::

xxxul je izjavil:

nekaj za vostok-a
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/09/03/rh...

sam ta micro ni glih micro, pa cena tud (verjetno) ni glih micro, o operativni uporabi pa tud ni nobene omembe (lahko da je smao demonstrator)

na drugi strani pa orožja proti dronom ne manjka:
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/09/04/ds...


Jasno. Sem napovedal že nekaj časa od tega.
To je edina pot.
Delat prostor znotraj oklepa za 3 osebe je pač smešnica in this day and age.
Isto velja za letala.

Ampak naj vas ne motim, ko razpravljate o staro rimski vojaški tehnologiji kot je recimo F35.
Ki je obsolete še preden je dodobra pršu vn.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Pac-Man ::

7982884e je izjavil:

ah dej on ti to doma nardi v garazi bolje, za 1% cene. vsi ostali so pac nesposobni.

Sploh ne tako nemogoče.

Ukrajina je dobila iz ZDA v dar RQ-11 drone.
AeroVironment RQ-11 Raven @ Wikipedia
Wiki pravi da 4je droni, 2 zemeljski postaji in rezervni deli pridejo 173 000 $, pri tem komunikacija ni kodirana. Za kameltrajberje OK, ko imaš na drugi strani peer level nasprotnika pa kar naenkrat povzroči več škode kot koristi. Raje vztrajajo na domačih garažnih modelih iz pretežno komercialnih komponent.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Pogledal, kaj dogaja v zadnjih letih. Precej.

http://www.ukrspecsystems.com

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Zdi se mi, da Putin izvaja mentalni judo.

Putin: No One Has Low Trajectory Hypersonic Projectiles, Non-Ballistic Ones, Except Russia!


Na nižjih višinah je zrak pregost, zato rabiš za hipersoničnost (čez neke omembe vredne razdalje) toplotni ščit iz unobtaniuma.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

fikus_ ::

Seveda iz "unobtaniuma". :D

BorutO ::

Rusi zmagajo v borbi proti američanom na tleh, v luftu pa američani - statistika:

ZDA
Rusija

7982884e ::

to ni nobena "statistika", to je velikost inventarja. po teh cifrah je bila iraska vojska 17 let nazaj 4. najvecja na svetu.

MadMicka ::

Dej BorutO, razloži v katerm paralelnem svetu zmaga država v vojni "na tleh" s trikrat manjšim prebivalstvom in desetkrat manjšim budžetom za orožje?

Mr.B ::

MadMicka je izjavil:

Dej BorutO, razloži v katerm paralelnem svetu zmaga država v vojni "na tleh" s trikrat manjšim prebivalstvom in desetkrat manjšim budžetom za orožje?

Trenutno v Afgansitanu sicer še niso zmagala ne eni ne drugi. Pa so nekateri iz planic, še blizu polnoletnosti...
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Invictus ::

Danes so konflikti tako ali tako lokalnega značaja, pa lahko vsaka stran nabuta tja vojakovm, kolikor hoče...

Tako da neko penisiranje s številkami nič ne pomeni. Tako ali tako se uporablja posebne enote.

Velikih konfliktov v prihodnosti ni pričakovati, ker se bo s tem sesul cel koncept globalizacije, pa notri leži preveč denarja.

V Afriki se velesile že sigurno tolčejo med sabo...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Pac-Man ::

CIA does soft powah

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/11...
Copernicus Programme's SAR satellite & @sbreakintl's post processing technology combine to identify C BAND radio wave interference captured on satellite images allowing the identification of military radar placements on the borders of #India #Pakistan #China in 2019
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Pretty cool shit. Najbrž so zedevo imeli še nekaj časa nazaj, vsaj v rudimentary obliki.

Me zanima kako bodo zgledali tisti interferometri za iskanje večjih mas (podmornic, ladij itd.).

Skratka, presenečen bom če v naslednjih 20-30 let ne bo zemljsko površje skoraj realtime observable do meter ali dva resolucije.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Poldi112 ::

>Velikih konfliktov v prihodnosti ni pričakovati, ker se bo s tem sesul cel koncept globalizacije, pa notri leži preveč denarja.

To so rekli tudi 100 let nazaj..
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

vostok_1 ::

Več kot so ljudje povezani finančno večja je vrjetnost konflikta.

Saj to veste že iz lastnega življenja. Če posodite 500eu "prijatelju", se to lahko hitro obrne v kreganje.
Z Huanom in španije pa se ne kregam, ker sva oddaljena par 1000km in nimava stika oz. vsak svoje neodvisno življenje.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Pac-Man ::

Navalni je vzel na piko Ruskozmos.

Ruska klasika - kradejo povsod, direktor je plačan več kot njegov ekvivalent pri nasi, inženirji obratno, cela ustanova pa večinoma obstaja, da lahko MGMT skozenj prazni državni proračun.

13 minut, CC za angleške podnapise.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

borisk ::

turki spet dražijo američane, S400 testirajo z njihovimi F16, ameri pa se že od poletja, ko je prišel S400 v turčijo trudijo, da 100 kosov F35 spravijo iz turčije...



https://www.businessinsider.com/turkey-...

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Alex Jones je car.
1000x prej vrjamem njemu kot kakemu CNN
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Pac-Man ::

Si vredu?

Paul Watson Throws Alex Jones Under The Bus In Sandy Hook Case

Far-right personality and longtime Infowars editor Paul Joseph Watson warned Alex Jones to stop pushing the lie that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, he said in recent testimony that will likely cripple his boss’ chances of a lawsuit victory.

Watson was deposed last month as part of a defamation lawsuit that Sandy Hook father Neil Heslin has levied against Jones, the owner of the far-right website.

...

The deposition, released Thursday by Houston law firm Farrar & Ball, centers around a 2015 email Watson sent to Infowars staff and Jones himself pleading that the conspiracy outlet stop spreading lies about the Sandy Hook parents.

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“This Sandy Hook stuff is killing us,” Watson wrote in the email. “It’s promoted by the most batshit crazy people like Rense and Fetzer who all hate us anyway. Plus it makes us look really bad to align with people who harass the parents of dead kids. It’s gonna hurt us with Drudge and bringing bigger names into the show. Plus the event happened 3 years ago, why even risk our reputation for it?”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Prej vrjamem Alex Jones-u, da nam vladajo reptiljanci, kot CNNu, da bo jutri sonce vzšlo.
CNN je partijsko trobilo tipa RT in AlJazera.
Alex Jones je zgolj far out. Tisti, ki ga zmore interpretirat, ve da govori tudi resnico, ostali tepci pa se zgolj zgražajo.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Pac-Man ::

Aha, "nisi dovolj razvit, da bi razumel" argument.

Internet na srečo ne pozablja. Bad ruskies @1:00

Putin je kreatura IMF, svetovne banke in mednarodnega komunizma, ki prinaša NWO.

Alex Jones - FAKE NEWS Y2K Broadcast - Dec 31 1999

Alex Jones told his listening audience on Dec 31, 1999, that Y2K was effecting the world. Food shortages world wide, bank machines were failing, the Army was moving to major cities to stop rioting. The biggest lie he told that night was that the Russians were attacking the USA.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Samo težkim avtistom se Jones zdi crazy, ker ne znajo brati med vrsticami.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

Smrekar1 ::

Prvi Su-57 je že strmoglavil.

https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/strm...

Glede na dosedanjo uporabo letala gre za še eno sramoto ruske vojaške tehnike :))

Invictus ::

Saj je F-22 tudi strmoglavil...




Dane govorimo o tistih na Aljaski, kjer je ubil še pilota...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Poldi112 ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Samo težkim avtistom se Jones zdi crazy, ker ne znajo brati med vrsticami.


Dobro jutro kolega. Da niste pozabili vzeti tablet?

Samo shizofrenikom, ki med vrsticami berejo stvari, ki jih tam ni, se zdi Jones racionalen.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

ZDA so l. 1945 na Aljaski odprle pomorsko bazo, kjer so šolali in opremljali Sovjete za invazijo na Japonsko.
Vse skupaj se je nadaljevalo tudi po japonski predaji sredi avgusta in celo po dokončnem podpisu na začetku septembra.
Material je bil uporabljen pri zavzetju/osvoboditvi Kurilov, Sahalina in Severne Koreje.

Project Hula @ Wikipedia

Project Hula was "the largest and most ambitious transfer program of World War II."[34] During the 142 days between the commencement of training activities at Cold Bay on 16 April 1945 and the transfer of the last four ships there on 4 September 1945, U.S. Navy Detachment 3294 trained some 12,000 Soviet Navy personnel – about 750 officers and 11,250 enlisted men – and transferred 149 ships and craft – 28 patrol frigates (PF), 24 minesweepers (AM), 30 large infantry landing craft (LCI(L)), 31 auxiliary motor minesweepers (YMS), 32 submarine chasers (SC), and four floating workshops (YR) – at Cold Bay.[35]

...

Popov reported to Maxwell at Cold Bay in late August 1945 that LCI(L)s transferred under Project Hula played an important role in the Soviet assault on the Kuril Islands just ten days after arriving at Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, and that other Project Hula ships had taken part in Soviet operations against the Japanese in northern Korea and on southern Sakhalin Island.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

PacMan, tolk si obseden s podatki, presenetljivo pa še nisi ugledal resnice. Zgolj krožiš okoli tarče, but never engage.
So peculiar.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

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Pac-Man ::

Po razparceliranju Poljske sta VB in Francija smatrali SZ in Nemčijo za zaveznici. Zato so pripravljali bombardiranje rafinerij v SZ, ampak jih je prehitel blitzkrieg čez Francijo.

Operation Pike @ Wikipedia

After the conclusion of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, Britain and France became deeply concerned that Joseph Stalin kept supplying more oil to Hitler's Germany.[4]

Planning began shortly after the Soviet invasion of Poland in September 1939 and gained momentum after Stalin launched the Winter War against Finland in November 1939.

...

Planners identified the dependence by Nazi Germany on oil imports from the Soviet Union as a vulnerability that could be exploited. Despite initial opposition by some politicians, the French Government ordered General Maurice Gamelin to commence a "plan of possible intervention with the view of destroying Russian oil exploitation", while U.S. Ambassador Bullit informed U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt that the French considered that air attacks by the French Air Forces in Syria against Baku would be "the most efficient way to weaken the Soviet Union."[4] According to the report by General Gamelin submitted to the French Prime Minister on 22 February 1940, an oil shortage would cripple the Red Army and Soviet Air Force, as well as Soviet collective farm machinery, causing possible widespread famine and even the collapse of the Soviet Union

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Serious preparation by the British began after the end of the Winter War with Finland in March 1940. By April, plans to attack oil production centres in the Caucasian towns of Baku, Batum and Grozny were complete. Bombers were to be flown from bases in Iran, Turkey and Syria in "Western Air Plan 106", code named "Operation Pike".[5] The French side proposed accelerating the planning, whereas the British side was more cautious, fearing a possible German-Soviet alliance, should the allies attack the USSR.[6]

...

The French were preparing new air fields in Syria which were expected to be ready by 15 May. The campaign was expected to last three months and over 1,000 short tons (910 t) of bombs were allocated to the operation

...

The German Blitzkrieg and the swift fall of France on 10 May 1940 derailed the plans, when the French military failed to hold back the Wehrmacht advance.


vostok_1 je izjavil:

PacMan, tolk si obseden s podatki, presenetljivo pa še nisi ugledal resnice. Zgolj krožiš okoli tarče, but never engage.
So peculiar.


Sry, don't do drugs.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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vostok_1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:



Sry, don't do drugs.


Konzumiranje establišment zgodovine je definitivno bolj zdravju in družbi škodljivo kot heroin ali alkohol.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

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Poldi112 ::

Si dobrodošel, da argumentiraš, v čem se moti.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Konzumiranje establišment zgodovine je definitivno bolj zdravju in družbi škodljivo kot heroin ali alkohol.


Gruvi.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Ko govorimo o dronih.... https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comme...
Da vidimo amerisko konkurenco naslednje leto...
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Ko govorimo o dronih.... https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comme...
Da vidimo amerisko konkurenco naslednje leto...


Odgovor iz preteklosti...I'm 2018, you're so 2020 and late


Nearly 2,000 drones took the Tuesday night sky and illuminated the Huangpu River in east China's Shanghai Municipality to welcome the new year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/intel-b...

In the early morning on Sunday, July 15 (2018), Intel broke the Guinness World Record for simultaneously flying the most unmanned aerial vehicles. The company flew 2,018 drones in Folsom, California, for a show that lasted about 5 minutes. It featured imagery that celebrated Intel’s 50th anniversary.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Ko govorimo o dronih.... https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comme...
Da vidimo amerisko konkurenco naslednje leto...


Odgovor iz preteklosti...I'm 2018, you're so 2020 and late


Nearly 2,000 drones took the Tuesday night sky and illuminated the Huangpu River in east China's Shanghai Municipality to welcome the new year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/intel-b...

In the early morning on Sunday, July 15 (2018), Intel broke the Guinness World Record for simultaneously flying the most unmanned aerial vehicles. The company flew 2,018 drones in Folsom, California, for a show that lasted about 5 minutes. It featured imagery that celebrated Intel’s 50th anniversary.


Jp dalec so prisli, da je prevzela kitajska pobudo, in izvedla to letos popolno.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Zapravljam čas.

Čez Slovenijo je šlo 16 HIMARS lanserjev, @4:53 in naprej


V Divači pa je bil razstavljen Patriot, glede na radar PAC 1 ali 2, @ 0:13.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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